Is the Shelly 1 better than the Sonoff Basic?
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I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your video. I'm a complete noob when it comes to electronics and I found your presenting style informative, entertaining, engaging and enjoyable. Thanks!
thanks to you and your knwoledge I bought the shelly 1! Working like a charm already. I had to make the montage in the ceiling due to the absence of a neutral wire.
This was clearly made with EU light switch boxes in mind and I love it! Thanks for the video Rob!
thank you for reviewing these side by side. this is content i want to see on youtube. subscribed
The isolated relay and 16A rating makes it perfect for switching baseboard heaters without a wall mounted thermostat connected to it, as long as you power the Shelly 1 from another source.
Excellent guide. I have been following ur channel for a while now and the content is fabulous. Please keep building and share the knowledge.
Had to pull the trigger and bought one! Thanks for the great video... Like all of your videos!
Good on you for addressing some of the isolation and safety related concerns. It's interesting that the Shelly product is actually safer than the Sonoff _because_ it has no isolation. It forces your (or more specifically, your electrician) to take precautions.
Great video, I like that it is 16a, and so small that it fits so nicely into a box, some competition for sonoff. My wife plugged a 1500w electric grill to a sonoff basic extention cord, drawing approx 12.5a. It smoked the relay and melted the case.
I got a bunch of the Shelly 2.5 after watching. Tasmotized them immediately. What a pleasure to work with these things, after my years of making the equivalent myself by combining a power supply, Wemos D1, and a relay board - real challenge to squeeze them into a switch box.
Excellent, informative video, as always Rob, thanks for the insights.
Excellent review process. Detailed, fair and unbiased. Kudos
Great, thanks for reviewing this, it’s exactly what I’m looking for, smart switch that can also work,stand alone, for rental property. Advanced tenants can benefit from all functionality, technology averse ones use it stand alone. And being able to decide whether cloud is used or not is just great.
If you are the landlord then you're probably the best landlord haha thoughtful
Awesome video, and really professional review. I especially liked the fact that you contributed to the open source ecosystem with the fixed you had to learn the hard way, thumbs up! You earned a subscriber.
I can see this working really well in the UK at the light pendant end instead of the switch end where you have access to neutral/live and switched live connections - I’ve ordered one based on this video ... thanks 👍
CZcams suggested me this video, I guess because I was watching Sonoff videos in the past. Really informative channel, subscribed. Also this gadget is very cool, I'm considering upgrading my switches in the future :)
Nice! Great that competition is growing.
Well done. Superb video. This is an excellent offering and I imagine will surge the number of smart home DIYs out there. Add new home builders, custom home builders as well as general contractors to that list. Certainly, the Shelly 1appears to be an ideal OEM offering to every dumb switch manufacturer on the planet. A volume discount for the existing homeowner would be nice to see!
Excellent video, thanks for all your work with the tasmota files. Stay awesome!
Thanks for a really thorough comparison.
Amazing informative video. Thank you for your time in producing this great video. Can't wait to get my hands on it Shelly 1 and play. 😁
Amazing; it's about time this product came out. I have sonoff basics without the casings in my switchboxs and it's very sketchy. These are well worth the extra money
Great video! Thanks for introducing this new smart home device.
Very good review. For me this little blue thing is clearly a winner. Thank you!
I am Bulgarian and i like doing some IOT projects. I was very surprised that a Bulgarian Company did that product :). Great video i'll try the Shelly 1 looks nice
Thanks, it covers a lot, that was so helpful.
Thanks so much for this great video!
thx for the detailed review !
Very interesting
Your colordescription of the various wires ofcourse is regional
Cool breakdown. Thank you.
Lucky to have you, their web info is not that clear. Thanks!
I LOVE the Shelly 1. I have them in my home and I do have Sonoffs also. But the Shelly1 from size and out of the box options are GREAT... My only beef with Shelly1 (v3 is what I own) has very week reception once inside a metal switch box. had to move my modem closer to center of home. But works great.
Looks like your video was a little more effective then they expected. They are sold out everywhere. Hope they get them back in stock as i want dozen or so.
Love this, and continue to love your stuff. That said, are there any open source options for higher voltage stuff like washers, dryers, and dishwashers?
For those I think you just need to scale up the same solution with a bigger external relay - using either the Shelly or Sonoff - connect through a Functional Devices RIB relay (Relay In a Box). Many different configurations available 110V/220V dual phase switching (SPDT/DPDT), up to 30A and even up to 600V. Almost all of them can be configured with a 120V AC coil to control the relay. I have automated 220V Pool 20A Pumps with these using Lutron switches for control - works great.
Really nice video an great comparison to sonoff
Thank you for taking the time to make this video and share it with all of us. Do you know if there is a solution for folks that have 3-way switches in the wall and do not have neutral wires in the box? I am of course subscribed with notifications turned on and thumbs up!
Awesome video and channel. Great reviews man, best of luck to you! Subbed
Good review about Tasmodo. What about the product itself? I'm sure I'm not the only one who uses sonoff as is without flashing.
Love the videos! Have you ever considered one on room presence detection? Or do you not use it?
I feel with a decent presence detection a lot of automations open up.
Nice work rob!
I like the shelly and your presentation skills...kudos to you!! Love from India
Excellent video!
Recieved a pair of Shelly1 a week ago,. Flashing was performed as usual with a Sonoff Basic, and the Tasmota firmware fixed everything. No setting of GPIO neccesary!
Excellent video! (Minor comment: At ~12:30 in the video you say that the 16A rating allows the circuit breaker to trip before the Shelly reaches it's rated *voltage* - certainly talking about *rated current*. (I miss-speak much more often than that ;-)) ). Thanks again!
Super helpful. I'm going to check out the Shelly 1 for sure. FYI, if you flip a breaker and the switch no longer turns on the light, it DOES NOT mean that there isn't a hot wire in the box. As mentioned in the video, if you don't understand electrical wiring, don't attempt installation yourself.
Yep, good point.
Great video! Just bought 7 :')
*sigh!*
Another product added to my tinker list. :(
Thanks for the excellent review, Rob!!
Hi and thanks for all your great video! I decided to start automating my home because of your videos! I'm not sure which device to choose. How does the relay clicking noise compare between the Shelly and the Sonoff?
Need a video on how to use these with a 3 way switch!
Awesome video! I can think of a few applications for this....
One question: did I understand correctlymthat you can't pull the gpio0 pin to ground? If so, how do you put it into flash mode?
I thought I was a big geek, but I don't hold a candle to you. Nicely done.
Good job - covered a lot of pros/cons
hmm havnt heard of this one yet, thx for being in my feed ;)
I like the idea of dry contacts that the Shelly has but I also like low voltage switching of sonoff
Very good!! This is a true information!!
In Tennessee a switch box uses one piece of #12 AWG and uses the white (neutral) wire to go back to light fixture as Hot instead of neutral. In my case I'll have to install in the light fixture box in order to power the Shelly.
great info thanks
just got my 8 sonoff basics in to put behind wall switches :) will see where they don't fit there this would be a good alternative!
Shelly's products are my personal favorites
Hi folks
Due to the high interest of Shelly1, we are currently out -of- stock. The next production batch will be ready on September 12, and orders will be shipped on a first-come-first-serve basis.
Amazon: There is 150 pcs witch are on the way to Amazon warehouse. Part of them will arrive today. Rest will arrive at August 29/30.
Shelly2 - we have 2k+ on stock.
Thanks for good review The Hook Up.
Short update - all pre-ordered Shelly1 from our website will be shipped at Sept 15-18 . For those who want to order from Amazon US they will be aviable at Sept 20-22. Currently we make third batch witch will be aviable end of September. Anyway our shipping time are 5-7 days all over the world, you can pre-order it from us to make sure you will not be waiting again.
gREAT VIDEO, THANX FOR YOUR TIME. i´D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE´S ANY WAY THAT I CAN REMOVE OR JUST TURN OFF THE GREEN LIGHT ON THE SONOFF BASIC. THANK U SO MUCH
Thanks for this, I ordered a 4-pack right away. I was looking for ways to safely use a Sonoff in a switch box and just couldn't live with the issues that potentially creates. The Amazon links are no longer Prime, however and the price has also gone up a bit. It was actually cheaper to order directly from the manufacturer, international shipping included.
I've been told they will be back in stock tomorrow
For us, Europeans, it would also mean quicker shipping since they are based in Bulgaria? Will see. I am not saying Shelly is a bad product, far from it, but at the moment I am sticking with Sonoff. But definitely will monitor the situation.
It shows you have done a lot of research off camera , which amazes me thx for sharing this. I use a sonoff POW which has CE certification 16A capability and power measurement for a great price.
Where do you get this idea of sonoff CE certifcation? It only has certification for the radio part, not overall electrical safety.
Nick Rout The CE marking is on the unit and the box it came in. Are they allowed to do that if it only partly complies to the standard ?
what standard do they say it conforms to? The certificate on the web page only refers to RED 2014/53/EU. What do the ones on the box cover?
Nick Rout there are no details on the box or leaflet it came with. It just says CE - Rohs - FC
@@ddjazz yes so look at the certificate on the web page.
Please do more Shelly videos!!
I'm choosing between SmartLife noname devices and eWelink (sonoff) for
my home automation. Which one is the better and why? In future i'am planning to
use that devices in Openhab+mqtt environment (without chineese cloud).
Thank you.
Stumbled on your Shelly video. Awesome video and well produced. Thanks for this content. I'm a complete newbie to this with some general diy skills. Shelly looks to be the solution I'm looking for to control my garage and front door exterior lights. Do you think I can use the Shelly without the firmware swap?
Absolutely, it works quite well with the stock firmware if that’s what you prefer
A great video. As they are smaller than the Sonoff basic will probably use them on my wall switches.
Have you checked out the ShellyRGBW, I would love your opinion on it and if possible a video.
Looks nice... My only problem is just the fact, that we don't have neutral in the switches. But this looks so small that it could fit the electrical wiring box so I'll probably give it a try :)
LOVE this product idea, and your videos! QUESTION: as used for home automation in the United States, would you recommend waiting to install until after a UL certification has been issued for liability concerns? Thank you!
It isn't a deal breaker for me personally, but every person needs to make that decision for themselves.
Is the Shell UL listed for installation into a power box? The NEC code requires UL listing and if not your fire insurance may not cover your damages. Has Shelly determined the fill and size of the box for installation? I am an electrician and electrical engineer.
Did you look at the traces on the PCB of the Shelly? do the traces look like they'll take 15 amps? it doesn't matter what the relay is rated for if the traces are going to blow off.
Can i control multiple smart plugs which is connected to different WiFis from cloud?
Great review!
What do I need to control thru any wifi signal; NOT a phone Nearby; remote wifi control . ? switch that can receive wifi commands. ?
I try to understand the part where you explain the GPIO shouldn't be used when connected to main voltage. I can use the shelly with the Temperature Sensor AddOn to switch a small 220v operated heating element (to prevent animal drinking water from freezing whent outside temp < 0° for example)?
Given that this has a relay input and output, is there a way to use this as a device that could detect open/closed dry contacts? Combined with the 24VDC power ability there are many applications to integrate other equipment. I am looking for a 24VDC powered dry contact sensor to connect to my Leviton ceiling occupancy sensors. Thanks.
I wanted a smart ceiling fan but in UK I've not had much luck. I was thinking could I get a Shelly to use purely on the fan side of the light? Since it's small it will fit easily. I already have the light control with a WiFi bulb. Thanks
Perfect, thank you.
(And shelly 2 with tasmota as a roller shutter would be great :-)
It's hard for me to do because roller shutters are not common here in the states.
Hey Ron , great review and device oh the possibilities . Though in Australia in looking at $24.00 AUD each. bit of an extreme price at the moment but I’m sure it will be cheaper once on eBay soon enough. So I thought I would check out the sonoff wall switch t1 . Can have delivered for $13.00 AUD. So will buy one of both to check out. Thanks for the great info. Really enjoying all of your video, heads up to drzzs as well for introducing your channel.....
Hello, we just open Amazon.au store and in 2 weeks they will be prime available.
@@dimitardimitrov849 Hi Dimitar. I just wanted to see if you had, or are looking at, the Australian C Tick certification? Which I think would be: AS/NZS 4417.1
The reason I ask, is they are technically not legal here without it, so if they were found after a fire, etc. Insurance would not pay out anything. So just want to be sure before purchasing!
@@amanimmortal SAA certification cost's a bit and takes time, most small producers won't get the certification due to cost, I don't think the Sonoff T1 has genuine certification, ebay sellers are saying it has but not producing the certification numbers correctly, Sonoff Basic is not certified.
Damn, the Australia tax is real.... $34.99 + delivery for two from Amazon AU :\
I have a question about using the switch sensor. If you use the switch to turn the light on and off and then while the switch is in off position you use the app to engage the relay what happens when you put the switch in the on position while it is already on? Does it turn off the light or do nothing? To turn off the light from the switch do you have to put the switch into the on position then off again? How does app control and physical switch coexist, what is their behavior? Thank you
Oh I think this is what I have been looking for. I have my fireplace hooked up to a standard wall switch but it is low voltage. I have been looking for something I can hook up inside the box (Because I have two switches in the this box. One is low voltage and they other is running lights above the fire place. Since I have low and high in the same box would this work for controlling the Fireplace off and on? If so do you by chance have a video on how to do this?
what's the advantage of flashing the tasmota firmware over the stock on the shelly 1, i just picked up 2 and starting to play with them
I notice in almost 100% of the example Arduino code shown in videos uses the loop function. I understand from a quick and dirty demo standpoint. My question is...I have a project that constantly polls for an input. It is going to run 24/7/365. Does this constand polling over heat the processor? Would it be better to setup this up on an interrupt? I am not concerned with power, just with overheating or wearing out the processor. Thank you for your videos and sharing your knowlege.
the shelly 1 seems to be build for european style junction boxes.
due its round shape.
" European Standard Light Switch Cassette"
Greetings from Bulgaria!
I feel like this is the perfect device for people like me who get nervous of the thought of leaving their sonoff basics inside a switch box.
Yep, I agree
i don't think this is any safer than a sonoff behind a light switch. if you wire up the sonoff to the light switch in the same way you wire up the shelly 1, i don't see any reason or evidence why one would be safer than the other. Although if using the sonoff basic i think the terminals are a little crappy.
Looking to do the same, anyone know what US standard or certification needed to do this? UL Listed? Are these certified?
They are working on a UL cert, for now they just have CE and RoHS as is required for europe.
@@TheHookUp although mine says RoHS 'COMPILANT'.....not 'COMPLIANT'... ;-)
If i connect 110v AC to L and N and use the software to trigger the relay. I don't need to trigger via the SW - in fact, can I disable the SW and use it for a different purpose. Can I use the "SW" along with the Rest API /status {ison} to read its state - to know if my garage is closed or open? Can I use the Magnetic Door Contacts with a 5v+ connecting to this SW? I haven't tried it yet since i'm afraid things might blow up.
After connecting a Shelly1 between power/a switch/outlet I want to bypass the timer switch that renters to use should the timer switch knob break. (until I get out there to fix it) The timer powers an outlet that the AC uses. I've seen a detach switch mode in one of the Shelly software diagrams.
Is this the feature I will use to bypass the switch knob should it break again?
Would it be possible to use a UniFi camera’s motion sensor to trigger the Shelly to turn on lights? If so could you do a how to video on that?
Hello Robert! I have a Shelly 1, not flashed with Tasmoto yet but I am contemplating the following project: I need to install a fresh air fan into a vent in our basement. For this I want to use a 12V fan like a high quality PC fan 120mm or 140mm size. The fan should be able to be controlled via home assistant to turn on/off and adjust speed in some steps (4-6 steps perhaps). To adjust speed I was thinking of using a transistor controlled swith to cut the 12v to adjust the speed. MQTT or Rest could be used. I was hoping to not have to buy an external transistor switch but use the internal in Shelly 1. Do you think that could be done? Your views and ideas yould be very much apprechiated. Thansk for great videos!
This is what I would like..I have one outlet box with 3 outlets from a 20Amp GFCI for it..I want to plug 2 things into the 3 outlets BUT I want the 1st device to be on a timer and the 2nd device to be on another timer or where I can turn them on or off individually. Does this or the sonoff due this?
Question: Lets say I placed ( I mean wired ) a Shelly one inside a switch box ? Now if someone in the house uses the hard wired switch to turn on the lights and I want to switch them off ( using the cell phone, assume I am outside the house ) ? Can the wiring be done in such a way it bypasses the hard wired switch and vice versa ?
I've got several Sonoff's and Shelly's laying around here, and I wonder which one would be better to use as "smart switch" outside the wall. Can this also be done just with the shelly? Point is, it's not a wall switch, but just a switch before a dumb light, where you never see the cable. Just out of safety and looking at hardware.
Any thoughts on Sonoffs new in wall switch and outlet? IW100 & IW101
Great review.
Does the unit work with IFTTT?
I am pretty relaxed about using web services...
Thanks
No ifttt integration out of the box, no.
How to configure shelly 1 for long press and short press in Hassio. Can it be done with node red ?
Does anybody have a clue how the Shelly 1 grounds GPIO 5 when SW is connected to AC/L? I'm trying to figure this out for a project, but I can't find a good method.
The light not turning on is NOT A VALID TEST, the switched wire could be the return. You should always, always check with a multi meter or a live tester. Mostly the problem is when someone wires a switch wrong (switched the return instead of the feed) the light turns off, but still has a live feed going to it.