Factorio 1.0 Entry Level to Megabase 3, Ep 17: CONSTRUCTION BOTS & LOGISTICS BOTS - Guide, Tutorial
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- čas přidán 31. 08. 2020
- You've been waiting for it: the premiere guide/playthrough for beginners and experts alike! Tips & tricks as we play, upping your Factorio experience! Support Katherine on Patreon: / katherineofsky
Let's make both both construction bots and logistic bots! We'll set up a roboport and use circuits to control how many we have in the system.
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"Life is better" said like that brings pure joy to the heart.
The enthousiasm and excitement to get stuff is the reason i watch (and subscribe to) your channel. It makes it so much easier and fun to watch as opposed to people who just do dry telling of what is best. I hope you never get sick of this game so we have endless videos to watch.
Aww, thank you! Enjoy!
One of the things I love about KoS's approach is, as many hundreds of times as she's made bots, she comes across as so enthusiastic about them every time!
Bots are such a big inflection point for the game. So much changes once you get them, and the important stuff gets so much easier! I love to have personal roboports, it's something I aim for every time. The only time they're bad for me is when the biters are eating them during a fight!
As someone that is watching factorio for the 1st time...Watching all them bots upgrade that Mall was glorious!!!
haha! Glad you enjoyed it! I love the bot swarms!
YOU TALK SLOW ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND NEVER TRY TO TALK OVER peoples head, you are a very good teacher thank you!!
Glad you are enjoying the series and that the videos are useful to you :-)
I like the new effect of trees drying and turning grey with pollution... The factory must grow!
KoS: Running around cliffs
Also KoS: Carrying cliff explosives
Yep!
I like your guides enough to specifically look for them when I do a search for Factorio videos now.
Glad to be of help!
These last two episodes are so in depth! Oil cracking and bot production are pretty BIG systems but nice job getting them into an episode each, eh.
It’s such a wonderful time to watch you play! Thank you for your hard work and please don’t over do it! Cheers!
Thank you for your enthusiasm and reminder to look after each other. Great channel!
Thank you so much for this bots tutorial! I was struggling with the bots so this was super helpful :)
I'm glad you noticed the gap in the drone network 😊
watched her put it in ... and was saying NOOOOOOO ... ah she will find it in the end ... and yup literally ... in the end
Just want to say, your tip about the half belt thing at 17:45ish helped my factory so much!
This is fantastic. I'm just about to get into flying bots for the first time after dumping those little wheely modded ones, and this helped my understanding tremendously on how they and their network functions. (so glad you caught that gap in coverage at the end!)
Flying robot frames take 20 seconds, so you need twice as many assemblers as you do engines (16, not 4)
Yep. Dyslexic mistake.
This has really helped me out Katherine. Thanks for doing it !
Nice, ty for the circuit explanation! Never bothered with that stuff before but I gotta do it in my next run through.
The enjoyment is real! We could hear & see that !
The bots are amazing! And so is your content. Thankyou!
Your voice is soooo soft and balmy and your excitement is so contagious! :)))
Sorry that I missed the premier for this one. I just got my first Spidertron and holy smokes! It's my new favorite thing EVER! Now bots are my second favorite thing in the tech tree.
I like to put the power poles between the assemblers. You can have two assemblers between the power poles and it covers everything. The arrays are slightly longer, but it uses less power poles and gives the opportunity to place lights.
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one that does that.
KoS! I'VE MISSED YOUR FACTORIO VIDEOS SO MUCH!!! I've been gone to finish my comic book and I realized only recently that the game dropped officially out of beta. Your commentary during gameplay always brings me such satisfaction and now I have time to play again and have you talk about the game in the background... feels good, man.
Grats on creating something awesome! (Comic books are really cool!) Glad you are enjoying my videos :-)
awesome vid!
The thought of bots charging at 'laundry hangers' made me chuckle :)
For belt and other item recycling pre-yellow science, you can use a yellow storage chest with a logistic filter for that item type
Yeah that's what I did, replaced the buffer chests with storage chests with the proper item filter set. Then later when you unlock buffer chests, set your upgrade planner to upgrade storage chests to buffer chests, then be sure to re-plop the end game mall blueprint over the top again so that it sets the proper item amounts on the buffer chests for the entire mall. Worked great!
32:40 KoS says "Product" after just saying that it _adds_ them together... ;)
Yey, bots, finally! I remember the first time I ever made bots, I handcrafted them and tried to make perfect grid lines lmao, it was amazing, had so few, but they helped to repair the wall and turrets on my small base he
Cant wait for the Nuclear part, its gonna be amazing!
Frying robot flames. :D
We are all rejoyced as KoS created the little flying thingies called robots. She is the maker. It is a miracle indeed.
"breathing is soooo gooood" - KOS, 2020
Your videos are always so educational, thank you! Also one of your science labs is not hooked up, it is sitting empty!
@18:20. When talking about balancing 2 belts sides to 1, your design here still has the same flaw if the belt feeding is full. In your example it shows only the left hand side of the belt out of the splitter moving as the right hand side cannot find a gap to insert. There are example single side belt balancers in factorio.school, but basically split again, use 2 "undergroundies" to block each side and join back using another splitter, essentially the same as balancing 2 belts to 1. In later scenarios where you're feeding belts from trains via chests, the uneven draw will mean half the chests empty faster slowing down unloading
You are missing the point of what I was talking about in that example. Using the underground will cause a different effect than a reverse belt on the other side.
If the source belt is NOT full, yes it will be different. If it's saturated, as is usually the case in a BUS design, then the same result will be observed. Taking half a belt can be tricky to balance upstream. If am upstream belt is being directly feed ( and saturated ) by assemblers from both sides then half will be working, half will be idle as there will be no gap to insert to one 1 side until the first side drains.
@@robslaney3729 It doesn't matter if it's full or not. Downstream belts will have the same split and also be able to take from both lanes.
You actually mixed up the ratio with electric engines and robot frames. You actually need twice the robot frames, instead of twice the electric engines :D
At 20:54 you say half the crafting time half the machines but its actually half the crafting time -> twice the machines. So you have an error in your ratio and are producing 4 times the engines you need to feed the robots frames you are making. To utilize the amount of engines you make you need 16 assemblers making frames.
how many people noted you accidentally split your logistic network on the path down?
seems you caught it in the last minute
"Frying robot frames". I'm going to be smiling about that all day.
"Flying robot flames"
Roboports with laundry hangers. Nice xD
Frying Robots Flames
If the chest from i.e. belt production are storage chests with the right information of what to store, you have your i.e. yellow belt storage and overproduction in one spot. Which is way better then having a storage chest somewhere else with all the deconstructed yellow belt. This way also the obsolete yellow belt gets fed into red belt production.
One can eliminate overproduction and spread out storage of many items with that.
I prefer buffers for those. In general, one should not need many storage chests in the factory, maybe 4 at most.
Factorio devs need to add frying robot flames so we can cook delicious snacks.
Yes! Snacktorio!
lol half way in and i just realized ... this is breakfast theater again for me ... sitting away having my morning smokable meds and a coffee watching something not to hard to follow and just waking up lol must admit september is already a ton better than august ... and its only a few days in lol
btw your paired combinators for logistic bots is a great explanation of an and gate ... logic circuits who knew lol
Ur the best love u so much and love how ur voice makes me sooo comfortable and always benefit from ur videos, but how do you build so fast like that when copying or making a blueprints, it’s like a glimpse still didn’t figure out how. Plz if anyone knows tell me 😁
Thanks to your guides I am finally beginning to understand circuit networks and conditions, so I get what's happening when you are using the pair of arithmetic combinators, but I'm unclear on why the second condition is important (If there are less than 10 available, make more). Is that simply planning ahead for bot based transport and other activities? Acknowledging that if and when the moment comes that all 1000 existing logistic bots are engaged in regular activities you make more?
I appreciate you taking the time to walk through your reasoning on things, and I agree with so many as I'm learning the game, but if I understand it correctly, I'm wondering if you're not shooting yourself in the foot a bit by your lovely mall placing its production into passive provider chests vs. storage chests. Even though it is tedious to filter them, wouldn't the deconstructed items being placed in them go a long way to limiting unnecessary production? For example, when you upgrade the mall to red belts, the yellow belts removed would go into the storage chest in the mall removing the requirement to produce a set of fresh yellow belts in the production of red belts while piles of yellow belts sit languishing in random storage chests. I'm wondering if you - or someone - can help me understand the rationale behind passive provider chests in this situation.
Once she researches the logistics network tech she will have access to buffer chests. These can act like storage chests (say for yellow belts) as well as request them from storage. She will replace those passive provider chests with buffer chests soon. Don't worry, the ones going into storage right now will be used up soon. As she said in the video, she could use storage chests and filter them, but she doesn't want to go through all of them and set the filters to prevent them from filling up with other products.
I used this mall in my current playthrough - I ended up using filtered storage chests at this stage where she used the passive providers. I will upgrade them to buffer chests when I unlock that tech (later today when I actually am playing).
@@LVRugger Thank you. I see buffer chests as something that allows faster construction in an area - i.e., a buffer chest filtered to be filled with walls and turrets for a base expansion so the logistics bots make the initial delivery and allow construction bots to pull from there rather than running back and forth to the mall for stuff. I am not clear on why buffer chests would be better in a mall than storage chests, though it sounds like you're agreeing with me on storage chests vs. passive providers in a mall at least when those are your only two options. I'm sure those items taken apart in the red belt upgrade will get used eventually, but I don't get why not now, beyond perhaps wanting a more interesting video that doesn't include a tedious filtering of a few dozen chests. But beyond the entertainment factor, I wanted to be sure I wasn't missing some part of their functionality, because I feel passive providers are a significant downgrade to what filtered storage chests can do in that situation. Appreciate the reply, and if you can help me understand why buffer chests (eventually) over storage in the mall I'd appreciate it (though that, too, might simply be a choice for entertainment).
Buffer chests will request items from the network. If you set the request to say 1000 yellow belts, and the circuit condition on the inserter to say 500, then the bots will deliver all the belts from storage before the assembler is tasked to make more. Those yellow belts in storage will get used and soon.
@@LVRugger I get that. And I don't mean to be argumentative, but how is that better than a storage chest? Especially since buffer chests won't pull from other buffer chests, so again it seems like a less viable option to put buffer chests there rather than storage, especially since a) you will need to set a filter then anyways, so what time do you save doing the same thing later and b) you then wouldn't be able to utilize buffer chests later on to pull from your mall, which seems exactly what they're good for. I am just trying to figure out why passive providers or buffer chests in a place that seems the perfect spot for storage. I appreciate the discussion and input. Thanks!
@@cf453 That's an interesting scenario I hadn't considered. I'm not convinced it makes buffer chests better still since a full storage with overflow storage for those situations still feels like the better option if you ever plan to utilize buffer chests for faster expansion (as buffer chests don't fill from other buffer chests) and unless the "random storage" is super close and your bots are super fast, you're still running into the issue of crafting unnecessarily. But I appreciate the scenario; it helps me plan. Perhaps, as you suggested in the other comment, a combination of buffer chests feeding into the primary storage chest for items that are used in massive amounts. Thanks for the input!
I noticed you don't use splitter filters very often, like at bot production you could have piggy backed red circ to green circ and split filtered red out before engines.. just a thought
Frying robot flames? That sounds pretty useful, really. And tasty. Maybe they could fry the fish before you eat them.
Is this not great? This is Great! I think this is fantastic! LoL
thank you katherine. another great video. can you tell me how you copy a single item that is already placed on the map without blueprints or ctrl+c? i see you doing this all the time.
Q
Q to select the thing you're hovering over, and there's a setting (off by default it seems - I only found it earlier) that lets you 'select' a ghost version of the item to place even if you don't have any.
Your videos are awesome.
Circuit Network - mode of operation is not showing up in my game. Any ideas?
Thanks! What do you mean?
@@KatherineOfSky I solved it. I needed to link the inserters on the network with red wires.
And so we see the Rise of KOS's Redoubtable Robot Regiments
Kos, do you build everything through an assembler or are there items you just craft always? For example, I always seem to craft rockets, so I have someting to make them in my inventory. I find it hard to set up an area to crafte everything. Especially with the biters always attacking. My base isnt a sprawling area but carved and cut.
I try to craft nothing manually. Try the Lazy Bastard achievement: that will cure you of painful crafting.
@@KatherineOfSky you just crushed me new years dreams
KoS, what is the structure of your bus? I'm trying to figure out mine. It seems like you have 4x iron, 2x copper, 2x steel, 2x green circuits, 2x red, + 1 each of coal, stone, bricks, plastic and batteries, correct?
place storage chests (filtered) instead of passive providers if you do not have buffer chests yet
Too much work :P
Her base: Ahh soo neat
My base: BITER BOOM AHHH
Urgh. Feel like I'm copying exactly what you are doing with these decider combinators around 33:00 and the damn things just won't do anything. Mine don't seem to show the symbols for X & Y or the dot when I select stuff :/
Ah I figured it... I left the other logistic connection this turned on. Like we did with the inserters from the assembly plant to the box.
Frying Robots ?! When did this become a cooking show ?! =)
Is that video of how to make a backup energy source still uploaded?
there is one in "entry level to megabase" 1 or 2 when she does solar.
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Hey KOS Long time follower of your but first time Commenting.... I noticed in your mall Blue print you have no way for Red underground to gain Red Belt. Slight fix by adding in long arm Inserter for for FYI. Thanks again love your channel
The standard recipe doesn't need belts, it's just yellow underground plus a lot of gears. (And then a red underground plus many more gears, plus lube, for the blue underground.) Many mods like to require same-tier belts though.
can you make 1 more of automation empire.thanks greets
when i do logistic connection to the fast inserter from the construction robot assembler to the passive provider chest, it doesn't start at all. when i disable the connection (and thus the condition that construction bots
Can you please come to our discord: we can help you debug the problem
[edit: this turned out to be a Bad Idea (tm)]
BTW, @KatherineOfSky, I tweaked the upgrade planner to upgrade steel chests to storage chests, and it seems to have worked fine. I plan to do a separate planner once I get buffer chests to upgrade storage chests to buffer chests once I get them, and then I'll apply that just to the mall. I'll let you know how that works out.
Storage chests are not appropriate unless you filter every single one of them.
@@KatherineOfSky Understood, because the 'bots could put anything in them - it's a temporary solution, and so far it hasn't bitten me. Perhaps because I've got other storage chests scattered about my base, so there's usually one outside the mall that's closer?
@@brianknopp7883 I have been very very specific about choosing chests for the mall, and I feel like Passive providers are the best choice unless you want to spend much time filtering the storage. What made you change them? Also, bots can come from any direction "bearing gifts", so those chests are likely to become corrupted.
@@KatherineOfSky I'm a big believer in owning up to my mistakes, and that tweak I made was a mistake.
Wouldn't you actually want to have the inserter outputting the logistic bots to have it work when it recieves 2 dots, or more than 1 dot? Because if you have it work when it has more than 0 dots, wouldn't that mean that if you have 1000 bots, but suddenly they all start to work at once, the inserter would start dumping more bots to the system, overriding your 1000 bots limit?
thats the point
@@shishi4 But then why have the 1000 bot overall limit at all?
@@singleturbosupra7951 It's to seed the system with 1k. You are setting 1k as the minimum so they are made immediately. Then you dump more in when you need more than 1k.
@@Gnomaana Ah okay. That actually make sense. I assumed she put the 1000 bot limit as the maximum limit
Does anyone else hear Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries" when 'bots fly out to do our bidding, or is that just me?
I always thought 'cliff explosives' were a silly idea. Why do you need a special kind of explosive just for cliffs?
Because otherwise explosive rounds would decimate your defense "wall" made of natural cliffs.
Quick question, are you planning on only having one line of each circuit? Will you be expanding that in the future?
In the megabase, we'll have many many lines circuits :-) (But they won't be delivered to the current base, if that's what you're asking.)
KatherineOfSky I see, so you are going to building this mega base as a whole separate thing
@@thebulletkin8393 Yes! This is the small factory that will get us enough science and production to build the megabase
How do you automatically construct/deconstruct without robots..? did you turn off robot visibility or something?
Are you referring to the nanobots mod?
ah it's the nanobots mod.
didn't realize you had already commented haha. I just unlocked robotics & was confused for a second there. wish i would've known about the nanobots mod when i started playing, so i could use blueprints instead of having to rebuild everything for an extra row of space
Yeah, they are very handy for that!
It's funny that the nanobots looked more powerful then actual bots
they are consumable, so it's a tradeoff.
@@KatherineOfSky yes true! But neglectable? Anyway, just thoughts. Amazing series so far!
@@weks I'm not sure what you mean by "neglectable" ....?
@@KatherineOfSkyI think i was just salty at people using bots this early into the game. Even though its stupid, because I can do it myself haha. So sorry for the rudeness.
@@weks You should use whatever you feel like in the game. Myself, I have over 2k hours in the game, and feel I have "paid my dues". For me, the game is about building a factory, not hand-chopping trees, and I just want to do that as efficiently as possible. It makes the game more fun and I can get my ideas to work faster instead of spending too much time on activities that are not enjoyable to me.
Greetings.
I recently discovered a Mod that allows to setup logistic chests and conditions on inserters with the copy / paste shift right click / shift left click:
mods.factorio.com/mod/additional-paste-settings
Makes setting up the production a lot easier.
"this is exciting this is great" for the first 40 minutes . nothing actually happens until end of video lol
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word "nothing". Perhaps check a dictionary.
"I would rather have 1000 bots do 3 trips than have 3000 bots do one trip"
what?! no.
*plays ride of the valkyries*
Juhuuu. (it´s german and mean "hi there"🤣 )
Do you not streaming? I looked at twitch several times and you off.
And why is the character of Katherine of "SKY" not in a light blue like the sky? 😉
My favorite color today is orange. Streaming: my hands are too ill to stream.
@@KatherineOfSky I do not understand what you mean with your hands. Are you realy ill or is this a english slang for something. English is not my language. If you are ill. I´m sorry for that. Hope you get healthy. 😘
@@TassAdar09 I have severe neuropathy which limits my game time very much. My hands hurt very very VERY badly. I need to rest to let them heal. Thank you for your good wishes :-)
@@KatherineOfSky Oh I don´t know.
I wish you all the best. And hope it is curably. So I enjoy the videos we get some more.