SNAP-ON Tools For 1/2 price Dealers are FURIOUS!😠
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Snap on is basically rent a center for mechanics at this point. Want to pay $1,500 for a $200 TV at $20/week?
As a cat technician I got most of these sets in the video at half the full price. Also them cat ratchet wrench’s are identical to the blue point ones.
I really have liked my blue point ratcheting wrenches
Ditto. My blue point ratchet wrenches have been great!
@@JwatDtr I have an ICON from Harbor Freight made in the same factory.
@@bryanx590 I bet you love it the same as I love mine!
Dealers are only pissed because this is trending on tik tok right now so everyone talking about it. What's crazy to think, snap on wants 180 for the plier set, cat wants 100 for it, and cat is still making a good profit margin off the sale I guarantee it or the price would not be the price it is.
Snap on created this problem when they hiked prices 3 times in the last two years. People are pissed these prices are ridiculous and people don’t want to pay a lot of money for good tools
Its more than half. Snapon torx socket set $450, CAT torx set $56
A long time ago when I started out using tools for making money, I complained about Snap On prices but bought off Snap On truck anyway. Today, I'm still using those Snap On tools. Cannot remember what I paid for them.
Some of the cat tools come completely marked snap on. I’m lucky my snap on guy will warranty the cat ones out
Cp I work at a Cat plant as a Industrial Mechanic. Everything you said is 100 percent true. We can get tools out of the tool crib for work at the plant. You can tell instantly a Cat branded tool is Snap On just by the the way it is stamped into the tool. There is quite a mix of Snap
On,Klien, williams and China made. There Cat tool catlog is full of Snap on tools that are branded Cat. But buyer beware also China made and other countries. I ordered a set of Cat pry bars that said Made in the USA on the package but they were stamped made in China. The company buys all the tools so know big loss.
My wife forced me to go to Urban Outfitters with het lastbweekend and there was a white t-shirt with the CAT logo that they wanted $50 for. I laughed.
Exactly lol
I like what CP is saying essentially if you’re gonna go cheap and not buy snap on directly from them and instead by caterpillar and there’s a chance that it might not be made in America and it’s lower quality, but it looks like you might as well buy icon and if you already ready to buy icon instead of caterpillar, you might as well just buy icon instead of snap on I love his words of wisdom thank you cp
When I worked in a CAT manufacturing plant, all of our electric power tools were from Stanley Industrial. From the DC Torques down to the electric screwdrivers. I did see some Dewalt impact drivers for some assembly applications though. Edit. We did use Precision Instruments torque wrenches in manual applications.
Been working at cat for 20 yrs. The one thing I don't like about the 3/8 cat/snapon/williams ratchet is its a clunky out dated low gear tooth count action. These days they need ro have a fine tooth option.
I’ve known about Cat since the mid 90’s, there was a Cat dealer down the street from the shop. I still bought off the truck. Cat didn’t offer truck credit. Young and stupid. Great video, CP.
Thanks for sharing
This tale is old as the time…Snappy has been making tool lines for many many big companies for years! CAT being one of the bigger ones. Those older CAT wrenches are the Williams SUPER Wrenches that also were made for a big American motorcycle company
I agree Snapon inflation is super high, but that's why techs aren't on the tool trucks
1st cp i love you and your videos. 2nd you are not just paying more for the “snap on “tools because of there name. You are paying for the warranty and the time of the tool truck person who is driving around selling it to you. It is a service that often gets overlooked and not talked about . Yes you will pay more off the truck but you can also make payments on it where you would have to pay 100% for the tool outright from the beginning.
Drive and purchase and have to deal with warranty and taking it back to wherever you bought it from to begin with . Its the service of passing a tool to a person at your shop and them passing you back another new tool for you to use immediately. Time is money
Hello CP & SUNNY: THANK you for this important video sir. I had no idea that Cat tool co. Had wrenches etc. Made by Snap On, Williams, etc. Nick from JDTCO has stated many times that rebranding is second nature in the tool business. God Bless you CP. ,& Sunny. TMP from N.J.
Glad to help
Not only is this old news. John deer rebrands snapon too
Not since the 90s I think john deere has completely flopped to the other side of the pond now also. The rebrand their own tractors now lol
Not anymore they don't. They're going through Stanley Black & Decker now.
Yup, and Cat licenses out boots that are sold in Walmart.
Bingo!!
First i have heard of this.......at one time snap on made kobalt ratchets and sockets...and i think snap on made some craftsman way back in the 1930s
Does anyone have a list of all the tools that SNAP-ON makes for CAT
As a collector of vintage snap on, I’ve got items made by snap on for other companies like Schwinn
Yep, this isn't a new thing for sure. These young people don't understand things, lol
I work for a cat dealer. We use to have a small section in our parts department that had tool section that you could actually pick up. Cat rebrands tools from everywhere. I have a set of Cat sae combination wrenches that are made by proto. I just recently bought the cat seal pick that is a snapon my price is $15 it was cheaper than the cat hat I purchased lol.
That's a great idea!
Not Wright those are super combo Wrenches
Higher prices suck..but the service is not the same..Cat would get a large contract price to pass on to their techs..Great information & details , Thanks Buddy 🔧🇺🇸👍
Very true
The cat power tools are Stanley black and decker they're based on the bostich line that's out. Dewalt batteries fit them as well
The last time I read it, the snap on warranty stated that the warranty applied only for professional use. Retire or do something else, break your big bucks snap-on products working on your own car, and you could have zero warranty.
I have plenty, and paid a lot like everyone...it pissed me off to read that. I shop around a lot more now, and rarely buy snap-on anymore. I love flea markets and get some there occasionally, and it's fun. Doesn't get you a break from work, though, like the truck.
Well, you can still check out the truck.
CAT uses snapon Williams Grey canada Jet tools tiger and Mc master car and been doing it since 1977 and at one time you had to be a cat employee or a cat certified mechanic to buy them
Those pliers are definitely snap on pliers They just have yellow grip instead of the other colors They're exactly the same and made in the USA. The wrenches are Williams wrenches They're also made in the USA I have them there's some of the best wrenches you can get They feel amazing in your hands
No collars on the new cat swivel impact sockets. It’s a lot easier for me to warranty the cat tools cause I work at a cat dealer lol
Great information on the rebranding market. Interesting on the CAT 3 piece plier set, as well the impacts. I just don't have a CAT dealer close enough to make a trip for the purchase and then a return trip for warranty (if needed). For me, I haven't paid the list price on anything Snap On or MAC for years. For me, the time saved with the truck operator is more time for me to be working, making $$. Lastly.......the tool company makes the tools, the truck operator makes the warranty.
Glad it was helpful!
I work at a mine. We have Snap-On, Cat, Williams and a lot of other brands in my department. The Cat wrenches are really nice actually those thick bean ones that have a reduction before the open end. And we have CAT impact sockets that are identical to the snap on’s they just say CAT. Including the pinned universals.
The cat wrenches you suspected to be Wright wrenches are Williams supercombo wrenches
Lot of them are snap on but the snap on dealer not going to warranty them if should bring down the price on the truck
Even on eBay Snapon prices are way up. Way up.
Same as buying the Case IH stuff. Alot of it is bluepoint and Williams. Not all US made but still same manufacturer and cheaper.
Williams CAT, and snapon all cross with each other with a lot of items
$100.00 for a large magnetic tray? Blue point. Snap on high on crack
Unreal it's nothing new you just need to find a good dealer that isn't greedy keep them coming CP 👍😎👍
I agree!
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Ingersoll Rand makes most of the air tools for cat. Pelican makes the heavy duty case and some flashlights for CAT. The toolboxes looks to be various brands. Worxs makes t he newer cordless tools.
I’m so glad this topic is being spread around finally
I look for snap on to stop building cat tools soon so when a cat tool needs warrantied they’ll eventually have to give people Taiwan tools. I could be wrong
It wouldnt suprise me if that ends up being the case
Doubtful just , salty dealers in fanboys getting their panties in a ruffle Snap-on still making good profit margins on these tools they're just mad because they're not selling for huge markups like they are
Caterpillar is soo much bigger along with all there subsidiary companies that would be a big loss for snap on
Cat tool sales just sky rocketed and snap on is happy because they still benefit but consumers are going to be crying when try to warranty because a tool truck is more readily available than a cat dealer
I have some of the Williams Taiwan ratcheting Wrenches, that price is high for sure. They’re a quality wrench but not at that price point.
Good video CP, for those who don’t know. Hope you’re doing well bud.
Hey, thanks. I'm doing much better getting the train back on the tracks!
The wrenches at 8:58 are Williams SUPERCOMBO wrenches..i have them is SAE and metric...i enjoy them more than my Snap on flank drive plus wrenches.. mostly because the shank on the supercombo is mighty thick and will not hurt your hand when applying great force..
Thanks for the info
The cat tools i will say are alright but alot of them arent really a deal when alot of them are mac prices. Cat does seriously lack alot of stuff youd need. Its alright for basic stuff like ratchets and wrenches but the rest doesnt exist
lots of countries had tool manufacturers that supplied industry,snap on usa,britool,king dick,snail brand uk,hazet,stahlwille,draper,germany,beta,italy and so on,not unsual to find manufacturers tooling made by tool suppliers.
$35 each for USA made pliers. is great those are 45-60 on the truck no?
Got plenty of cat tools.. People on about warranty on hand tools just buy a snap on to replace it if one breaks you'll still be miles infront on price..
Cat power tools are made by Positec Tool Corporation...same company that makes the WORX and Rockwell powertools...not a great rep so far, but might be decent..haven't tried them to give an opinion...
Also, i wish snapon would have a buy it now, cash price, and then a regular retail price for people who finance, but of course that would never happen...😂😂😂
Tbh if you have the time you can smart shop for snap on tools. Some pros absolutely need and want to buy from truck but alot of others dont. Snap on is the best period so might as well buy it. Would rather over pay for tools that are usa made by the actual company than pay 4x price for taiwan rebrands from mac matco or cornwell 😅
Not all Snap-On tools are made in USA and even more aren't even made in the USA
@@rockyrococo2584 the majority of the hand tools are, sockets, ratchets, wrenches pliers. Except knipex and bahco of course. The majority of snap on tools from the truck are oosa made. Go on the Mac truck every single thing you look at and touch will say Taiwan on it. I love Mac but they fucked up. I’d rather buy gear wrench now.
I was wondering did the dealers not know about this? Seems like a lot of people and many techs have known this for decades. My snap on guy stops at the cat dealer after he stops at my shop and he’ll warranty some of the cat tools. Well he’ll warranty them for a few of the guys I know but we also spend good money on his truck too. So he takes care of us.
Exactly supposedly they are all stirred up about something they singed up for long before most of them were dealers lol
I believe it's very possible they knew but it wasn't widespread info for a long time. Lately it seems to come up more and more online, as a way to get Snap-on stuff for much cheaper and without either having to chase a truck or bite the full list price if you're not working a place a truck comes to, and for those who are already serviced by a truck, a way to save money. Lots of money.
The truck model is predicated on "these are only available through us" with some of the companies also doing online sales but expecting full list, which would push folks more toward the trucks. Now the word is getting spread more that the exclusivity isn't entirely true, and at least has the potential to interrupt the dealer's bottom line when folks pick a different middleman now that they know of that middleman. The territory exclusivity goes out the window, the tool exclusivity pitch goes out the window.
I bought some cat tools in the late 90s at that time they sold a value line it was proto the tools I bought were by snap on the ratchet had a vapor blasted finish it has held up great the finish on the tools is not quite as nice they were a bargain my dealer looked at the sealed ratchet said if it ever needed kitted that he would if he could the pawl was different in my ratchet but buy what you can and hopefully it's what you like there is no bad tools only bad dealers.
Thanks for sharing
I learned recently about this ....but since the 80s? snapon has done catapillers hand tools? (At lease some) WOW
Yes it is 100% true
I recently scored a new 100 tooth stubby flex head ratchet from Snappy for free, when I bought my new 40" slide top cart. I'd gladly trade it for a 'Cat' one. If id paid the $135 retail price, I would theow a fit. Fucking junk. I was told" it has to break in". Lol
My Cat combo wrench set is identical to the Williams set
Morning Mr CP. Seeing that old CAT emblem takes me back to the start of my career. Is that good or bad 😂👍🇨🇦🔧
On the box?
You spoke straight facts there ! +10 respect points
I'm big on country of origin and interested in the manufacturing stuff. When they create the tooling to stamp, water jet etc. there's always some that aren't quite as uniform as intended. Are they selling these for other brands instead of melting down the duds?
What it comes down to is how easy is it to warranty these cat branded tools? If you have to jump through hoops then it’s not worth the money ( in my opinion)
CP The Tool Addict, wanna collab keep it up
Funny thing is that their website now features what seems to be different style plier set on the cat website. Am I blind or are they now selling another set?
If you get a torque multiplier that has the round head and long ratchet handle the snap on, Cat. Mac, Proto, and a couple others were all made by gear tronix in Massachusetts. And Cat was not any cheaper than Snap On plus you had to deal with some walking talking foreskin at Cat parts counter. ( At least the Cat dealer nearest me was useless as far as parts go)
This is 100% a true statement, same here. I totally get it, and great comment!
Haha same at mine! Try my best to submitt through SIS and have the parts delivered. Top 3 dumbest person Ive ever met.
Mustang Cat in Houston is lousy to deal with. Seems everything is a hassle when dealing with them
This is reason I watch your channel CP because you are not afraid to tell like it is
Thank you!!
Hello again, CP and Sunny
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I admit I knew about the rebranding. I just didn't know at what extent it got too 😕 Just to be sure I understand. Cat Tools could be rebranded Snap-on Tools. How do I make certain I am getting what I am paying for! Again thank you 😆
Thanks, you too!
Great video CP!
Thanks man appreciate it
Buy them for 1/3 from the companies that supply them…
So true! You can ask for, maybe have to buy a CAT tool book. I actually bought my tool box from CAT, it has a cat logo on it, but every slide,draw says snapon 😂 if I really wanted to I could buy a snapon logo.
That's a great idea!
I can say this. There is no paper catalog. I tried to get one and was told its all online and dealer only
You need to make a video about new holland tools managed by snapon
Am I incorrect in saying the cat sockets, screwdrivers, ratchets, and wrenches are from the Williams line, not the premier snap on label?
Some maybe but Essentially williams is owned by snap-on, so it's technically all snap-on
snapon and proto made tools for cat
And John deere once upon a time
Those CAT wrenches are Williams supercombos not Wright.
Snap on also makes certain tools for CNH /case new holland
Yes, they do they have done this for several manufacturers over the years.
Great research adapt ape did a similar video but he just scratched the surface. More videos like this.
Thanks, will do!
are any of their ratchets the same as the snap on ones?
I tried to check Cats website, but it’s a pain. I can’t find any of the wrenches, sockets, pliers, etc. may be cheaper but sure is a lot more complicated to buy.
There all in there dealer tool catalog
Great video CP 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video CP 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Truth is the tool trucks are a necessary evil And most shops wont even let you work there unless you have either snappy mac matco or cornwell tools and since they are all close in price I choose snap on the leaders in this game
Thats false
Whats this Google thing you are referring to. Snap on used to make tools for case ih their combo wrenches looked very simular but ratchets looked more like williams.
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
These tools are made by a company for Snap-On and CAT and Matco and Cornwell. Just buy Harbor Freight or buy Snap-On used online. Remember all these tools are consumables. Impact sockets and other tools wear out over the years. Will Snap-On warranty the tools 10 years later or Harbor Freight.
Let's not get carried away lol
@@samuelgraber6921
In the garage where mechanics sweat,
With wrenches turning, gears they set,
There lurks a tool, all chrome and bold,
The Snap-on gear, so I am told.
Its price is high, its name divine,
But does it really tow the line?
For when you need a simple task,
It snaps in half, or doesn’t ask.
Oh Snap-on tool, you golden brand,
Are you worth the dough in hand?
With sockets shiny, ratchets grand,
Yet break when gripped in greasy hand.
So here’s to you, dear Snap-on gear,
The budget laughs, the pros sneer.
For in the end, with rusty clank,
A cheaper wrench can fill the tank!
Snapon won’t wear out for home use my sockets barely have any wear. I don’t buy used never have I can buy new for half list
Funny this is trending now bc of val etc. Tbh i dont find it a great deal. Only same is sockets and some other hand tools. With the used market and the online auction place i shall not mention can get great deals on new and lightly used snap on everything. Only deal trough cat maybe 1/2 swivels. And resale just isnt as good
Dawwww poor little Snap-On dealers
Can you add a website link for the cat hand tools. The website sucks. I have tried 3 times to find a way to buy tools on the cat website.
It's a app you have to download
@@CPthetooladdict what app
Just download the cat Hand tools and shop supplies catalogue
You can’t buy most of the socket sets. My order was not processed and when I talked to them they said they are “restricted” stock they can’t sell them anymore not sure what that really means. They are sold in overseas markets like Australia. Maybe snap on discontinued their private label contract
@@roninbushito that's interesting.. I know the tools have been removed from the search function on the parts store website maybe they are cracking down.. only other way is to call your dealer or go into the parts department with part numbers and ask for cash sale.. it may have something to do with not having an account
My cat angle wrench’s are the same as my snap on. I have cat screwdrivers and some sockets. Warranty is a pain in the ass. So I on look y bug stuff that’s cheap or probably won’t have to warranty. Biggest advantage of my Mac guy is warranty. I used to work for a cat dealer years ago most all of used snap on or Mac tools and boxes. Warranty was such a pain even working there.
Good video
Thanks for the visit
CP, will S-O corporate warranty these tools?
No, have to take them back to CAT
You don’t watch the video do you?
@@sydneykillian3685 LOL
My 3/4 cat impact sockets look identical to the snap on ones
I believe you sent me an email, and we discussed this before, am I right?
Yes you are sir
Some are williams some are snap or rebranded..
Larger ones tend to be williams
You let the CAT out of the bag.
Lmao thats hilarious
👍
Val Tool whom is a Snap On dealer put out a response video on it.She did not like this
Vals widely disliked among snap-on dealers because she's eye candy that's all she's doing is playing other dumb men.
She’s a trick just a bimbo strutting her stuff so guys start pulling their put.
Incredible video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible night. Much love and RESPECT brother
Much appreciated
They still aint the same as snap on. Good but not as good.
People just don’t understand that there may well be differences in metallurgy or other specifications that may reduce costs as well.
In fairness, Mac isn’t exactly the same thing because they’re owned by a larger company that owns those other companies. I’ve lost count of how many there are under the SBD umbrella. Craftsman, Mac, Stanley, B&D, USAG, Facom, Dewalt, and god knows who else. And in Mac’s case, it seems to be partly a case of using different names based on what part of the world’s market they’re selling to.
Unpopular opinion: perhaps they're all manufactured as first quality, and they don't cost even nearly as much as what they're gonna charge you. Snap-on is posting Apple-like margins and throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at shareholders annually. Their bottom line is consistently over double what is considered a "normal and healthy" margin for a corporation. And they're making that money selling to dealers, already ripping them off. Now the dealers have to make their expenses (including getting scalped on their inventory) plus whatever they consider a livable salary off of us.
Snap-on themselves have posted a decent bit of videos and such showing their processes and we can eke a little more info from that. For example, taking a shine to automation. Each cold-forming socket machine can make a socket that's already over halfway finished (turned from coil fed in to an unbranded socket that already has the square and hex formed in them), and it averages a socket produced per *second* while simultaneously cutting American jobs out of the equation.
Their cold-formed pliers also have automation involved, with the "forging" being automatic. Blank goes in, pliers halves that have already been roughed blocked finished and trimmed come out. That's the job of 2 operators gone, saving money, without passing the savings on.
They're a business, not a charity, and they exist to make profit sure. That's reasonable. But my gosh you should listen to the recording or read the transcripts of quarterly shareholder conference calls. The CEO talks money a lot of course but does seem to have at least a bit of passion about what they're making. Then the shareholders, a lot of big faceless investment firms, get to ask questions. Money. Money. Money money money money money. No passion whatsoever for the product. And the shareholders are the ones who actually OWN the company, so no matter how much passion their C-suite has for the products, they have to ultimately satisfy their owners.
Snap-on wants up to a list of $40 for a replacement hard handle. Obviously the dealer isn't gonna charge you that, but that's crazy money. It's injection-molded plastic with a stamping, you know how much that costs to make? Less than a dollar. Or let's take a screwdriver. $30 for Snap-on, $10-11 for Mayhew, $10 for Klein, $5 for Tekton. All made in USA, Tekton even also has the extra overmold step like Instincts do. Differences in metallurgy used sure, but not enough to want up to 3x as much for like 3 ounces of actual metal along with a very very very cheap-to-produce plastic handle.
I just checked caterpillar website on that pliers set and it’s totally different than that pic in the video, definitely not snap on now.
Check the part number 233-1639. You must have been looking at the wrong site.
It’s cat’s website and the pic is totally different. They must have changed them or are rebranding some other brand
That's because the pictures aren't updated. The part number is the picture I showed with the first set. Just as I said, it is a tricky thing that it's complicated to navigate. That's why I warned people about it.
Alright I see 👍
What’s up brother
Hey buddy hope you are staying cool and doing well
Wait... this is breaking news to people??
Right lol
Can anyone go into CAT and purchase their tools?
Yes