Will The Real Apostle Please Stand Up! | Mormonism LIVE! 035
Vložit
- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- Mormonism LIVE: 035: Will The Real Apostle Please Stand Up !
In this week's episode of Mormonism Live, we will investigate the integrity of the not only the President of the Church but also the integrity of the Quorum of the 12. Once one grasps the systemic issue within LDS Leadership, One's trust in them becomes anything other guaranteed.
www.churchofje... 45:35 - 46:38 Time Stamp
www.sltrib.com... 4:47 - 5:46 Time Stamp
In his memoirs, An Abundant Life, Elder Hugh B. Brown explained "the Apostolic Charge" that every apostle is apparently given upon admittance to the Q12. It reads as follows: "Always be willing to subjugate his own thoughts and accept the majority opinion not only to vote for it but to act as though it were his own original opinion after it has been approved by the majority of the council of the twelve and the First Presidency."
📑Uh-oh! This episode is missing chapters! Want to help? Submit them here: forms.gle/V41z...
___________________
Welcome to "Mormonism Live," the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years.
🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: mormonismlive....
👚👕Take a look at our Merch! 👕👚
www.exmoshirts...
📜Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: subscribepage....
Our Platforms:
🌐MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org
✳️Spotify: open.spotify.c...
🍎Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple...
Connect on Social Media:
🗣️Private facebook group: / 1307897462893835
🖼️Insta: / mormondiscussion
📱TikTok: / mormondiscussion
🎮Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): / discord
🐤 / mormondisc
Contact us:
📧 MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com
#MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon
Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
___________________
![Mormonism After Dark [007]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bI7LuRcC5AI/mqdefault.jpg)
When I had my "faith crisis" a number of years ago (after being a faithful, card-carrying member for over 40 years), it was the "pattern of deceit" that I began to see that convinced me that the Mormon church could NOT be the "Church of Jesus Christ". The Mormon church was founded on, and maintained with, a consistent misrepresenting of the truth at best and outright lies at worst. It comes as no surprise that the so-called "Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ" would continue that tradition. Looking back now, I can only say that we were so duped because the truth was not available at that time. Thank goodness, "ye shall know the truth and the truth will make you free".
Love your episode, learning more every episode! 72 year old member not a believer now!!!
It's sad, isn't it? I'm 60, was a member all my life. Baptized by Donny Osmond. Married in the temple to a woman I simply adore, who's still a TBM. But about five years ago I decided to research history, and what we know about early America, the Egyptian language, and the truth claims made by the Mormon church. It fell apart so fast. My world-view collapsed. I wanted it to be true. It's simply not. At all. It's a fraud, perpetuated by a con-man, who had easily duped people all around him. Truth matters.
@@RB-zh1eq so sad you believe this all you life just to find out it’s all been a scam.
I don't think it is sad. It's good to learn and grow at any age.
@@RB-zh1eq Baptized by Donny Osmond! One of these days I hope one of the Osmonds leaves, and gets interviewed either by RFM or John Dehlin.
@@RB-zh1eq Did he have purple socks?
Thanks for sharing the apostolic charge oath. After 65 years in the Church, I had no idea 🤷♀️.
P.S. People, please read “RoughStone Rolling “ and “No Man Knows…”. It is your obligation to learn.
Thanks Patricia. Have you seen the Mormon Stories episode(s) about Fawn Brodie? I think you'd love them. Remarkable woman. So much respect for her.
czcams.com/video/if765B_gc50/video.html
Fawn Brody author of "no man knows my history" was proven as a fraud.
Between the CES Letter and such podcasts as this, it amazes me that there are any members left. I suppose some people's life is so entrenched in the church that they feel they can't live without it. Very sad.
Fortunately, our younger generations are rejecting religions exponentially.
Thank you so much! You guys are amazing! ❤
This was a fascinating look behind the veil. And that lovely man commenting at the end-send him my love.
Awesome episode! Thank you RFM and Bill! ❤️❤️❤️
“ 38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.
39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known. D&C 64 ( I think you guys with your excellent work may be fulfilling prophecy here)
Exactly! This passage has me back to believing the church is true lol
@@KidFreshie you must be delusional! It is clear in this prophecy that there would be false prophets and apostles IN THE CHURCH and those who are honest seekers of truth would expose them. This is happening now, many good and honest members and ex members of the church are finding out that many if not all of those who claim to be “Prophets, Seers and Revelators” NEVER actually prophesied, had any visions or revealed anything “ it’s never too late for you to wake up.
@@KidFreshieright? Me too. I’m chewing on the notion that the church is Gods but much of the leadership has gone into apostasy
@@yeshalloween I was kidding. I was just shocked that one mormon scripture actually came to pass.
Great episode. One of the best !!
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Absolutely excellent episode! There can be little question now that all 15 apostles prophets and seers (chortle!) know its fake.
Absolutely correct.
I wonder if there is any way to discover if part of becoming an apostle, and taking an oath to the Apostolic Charge, includes signing papers that require the GA to forfeit all monies received if they ever divulge inside info, go contrary to the prophet, or step away from the church.... It would be seen by the faithful as living a form of the Law of Consecration, as we all covenant to do during the temple endowment ceremony.
The church should refund everyone’s tithe
The parallax is similar to…”alternate facts”
Shades of Paul H. Dunn!
The whole thing is a mess. I had a dream while on my mission in which Jesus appeared and told me my sins were forgiven. I wrote to the prophet describing the dream and asking what this might mean. His secretary replied and told me to talk to my stake president because the prophet didn’t know my history and past. I had believed a prophet could interpret my “vision like” dream. The fairytale began to tarnish at that point. Should have cut and run then but I completed the mission. I also know that although the dream was vivid it was a construction of my subconscious
The caller, Becca, who mentioned that the church controlled her to the point of her wishing her gay child could die was HEARTBREAKING. 😭😭😭
He was never asked to be a counselor in the First Presidency. Let that sink in, folks.
OMG, does it seem like the apostolic charge sounds a lot like the oath among the gadiantons?
Any good con has a host of lies interwoven, and at times by reluctant followers who are built up as a result of the lie. This tactic goes back to Joe Smith's time, and has become the LDS feet of clay.
My ex hubs was a liar and there were times I was standing right next to him when he let rip some tall tale. Put me in an awkward position so I can only imagine that situation multiplied a million times when somebody has to pretend a “prophet” isn’t lying. (There were times I’d roll my eyes or look startled for the benefit of his audience - in case they really believed he, for example, had 26 sets of identical twin cousins or found a solid gold pocket watch at GW for $5.)
I just donated $50
AT 70:00 - Holland saying that he can't tell you how much money he makes. I think that this is actually the truth. I imagine that they sign NDAs which strictly limit what they can say about certain topics. They probably do this when they become a 70 and it still applies when they get into the Q12. All journals, etc., which they write belong to the church - that's part of the agreement which they sign. Hans Mattsson talks a little bit about it in his book.
Will the Reel slim mormon please stand up...
RFM is on a roll from the first minute! 👏👏👏 RFM’s background episodes Bill Reel mentioned are here: m.czcams.com/video/9BMoPpEtJV4/video.html
does anyone know which apostle met with grant palmer for lessons in the true history / doctrine of the church? also there was a gen authority that met with sandra tanner for similar reasons. who was that?could that be why deiter uchdorf was demoted?
Just wondering why you dropped the, “ Sit down & shut up “ portion of your intro ? I loved it !
RMN couldn’t get up and say Nov 15 was revelation received by Kirton McConkie. He had to whine about deeeep compaaaasion for the chiiiildren.
This specific example is a great example of how indoctrination works. Active members KNOW the 2nd article of faith about being punished for our own sins + baptism being required, yet they either didn't question the delay of baptisms (because of parental sin) or they kept their mouths shut. This is basic, basic LDS doctrine that was violated, yet most TBMs didn't say a word. Indoctrination is an extremely powerful control tool.
i think that if the church allowed children of lbgtq people to be apart of the church community ,they would open them selves up to having those people,through the activity of their children, involved in the church and then it would normalize them and eventually make them "ok" to church members.thoughts?
"Will the real liar please stand up?" The entire Mormon leaders all stands up!
Hello
Getting monson to sign off on anything between root beer floats and what about Bob was easy. These guys use a signing machine to sign signatures. Hinckley spent many years during the ETB era making it seeming like the first presidency was running the church, auto sign in hand.
To be fair, root beer floats and watching 'What About Bob' would be a fun afternoon, over and over again. It's too bad the movie couldn't be 'Groundhog Day'.
Now that would be a CHANGE to release prophet at 70( I agree)…then that would have to trickle down to the other 15 and then the seventies!
Sure Nelson was involved in the Nov. policy. But I think that there is very good reason to believe that Oaks was also involved. It's too legalistic for him not to have been part of it. Prince also talks about a couple of apostles being involved.
Poor Elder Jowls, I'd pay money to see that temper tantrum. Maybe I should be profit, my schtick about Tommy just sitting around watching Matlock and eating pudding cups cuts pretty close to the truth.
Clinging TBMs love jowls,and his angry schtick
@@michaeltaylors2456 exactly. I've notified that, like trump, Elder Jowls gives them license to let out their inner rage and show the true ugliness of their character. Disgusting.
What are the biblical qualifications for an apostle? Read Acts 1:21-22 "21 So one of the men who have accompanied us during tall the time that the Lord Jesus uwent in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John until the day when when was taken up from us-one of these men must become with us xa witness to his resurrection.”" None of the present apostles of the Mormon church would meet this qualification.
elderly people with dementia still have great value and worth. we human beings usually have such a narrow view of what gives a person value.
RFM, correct pronunciation of Kay Burningham's name is "burning ham", not "burning game". She was one of my high school besties and it was a big ouch every time you mispronounced her name. Love your podcast!
OK?
1:40:00 If Brigham Young said nobody he knew had ever seen Jesus Christ, uh...no first vision, then? Oops!
The still small voice just asked me to yell “Yo, Brethren, if you think you received revelation about your abusive LGBTQ policy, then you must have taken some LSD when y’all fasted and prayed in the temple. “
The cult of Joseph Smith of latter Day naivete.
CAPTCHA still down on non-Facebook URLs. Did Bill or RFM ever consider Church of Christ alternatives to LDS, or is it all too far gone?
The mission presidents wife, Cindy Packard, was there, her son and his wife did a MS interview a few years ago FYI
The only interview I see is with "Leading Saints"
@@MormonDiscussion #717-720 MS , it’s there
I will DM you when I get my computer back
Hello! Any chance you could send me a link to this Mormon Stories episode? I did a search for it but didn't locate it.
I hadn't realized RMN has been whistling his s's since back then!! Painful to listen to!!
😀 Not that hard to get dentures that fit.
Camille youre savage! It would be awesome if Live found a bunch of old nurses that worked with rmn, that would be interesting, from what ive heard it was a big trial when he became an apostle. Its hard to be a tbm in the medical community in salt lake city, when we lost monson at IHC that started my criticisms of the church, lets let these guys retire before they are too old or tyrants or both...
@@DancingQueenie he doesn't have dentures, but probably doesn't have molars left. Notice how sunken his cheeks are. (I was a hygienist).
So funny ,he's read a prewritten script
So....what happened to the "revelation" ? Did Nelson ok the same sex marriage in Zambia? What outcome except they stood behind him?? I missed that.
Cannot stand the culty cadence in these creepy "men". AI robots?
It's obvious you don't believe in the church. I'm interested in what alternative you are offering?
The freedom to think critically and own your morality rather than handing it to leaders who must be obeyed. 💜
@@MormonDiscussion making decisions based on what analysis?
Jesus, the true Biblical/ Historical Jesus of Nazareth and His Gospel as found in the Bible.
@@inChristalone1960 that's exactly the Jesus the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints teaches. You didn't know that?
@@ralphriffle1126 Have you read Joseph Smith's King Follet Discourse? No, the LDS Jesus is not the same as the Biblical eternal, uncreated GOD.
LDS Jesus is Lucifers brother not his creator. Lds Jesus was created , and was created through sex by Father God and Mary. Smh.
Mormon Heavenly Father evolved from being a sinful man on another planet to godhood. This is not Biblical.
Isaiah 43.10. and many other verses refute Josephs Freenasonic Gnostic gods.
You can say that your prophets were speaking as mere men ( although from the pulpit) when they said these things. You can say that what pres Nelson says trumps what earlier proohets Said, but if they are all wrong in this ever changing religion of yours , how can you ever know whom to trust?
these guys would claim Jesus was the devil. get real...this a nothing burger.
Liar liar pants on fire!!
no prophet in thebible was ever perfect either. there is no one good but God.
None were as bad as Joseph Smith.
I don't know anyone being really what is claimed...are you guys what you claim to be?...
so you admitting the Church isn't true
@@MormonDiscussion The Church is no "anyone"? What is the Church? It's members, right? Members of the Church are judgemental, the worst on planet earth. Does it mean the Church is not true?! I guess not. Apostles and prophets have been caught lying...should it be a surprise!? Come on...all men do such things. You can put in the light all their shortcomings, their lies, their sins...won't make your statements sure...there are also millions of "miracle" stories from "simple members". Are they liars too?! Might be ..or might not...yes, there have been lies...doesn't mean the whole thing (the Church) is not true...
@@captaingaming-kh5qw so you've missed the point entirely if these men are directed by God and Jesus as the church claims to be and they're lying about simple things like stories of their experiences of the world and God and Jesus has all this power to direct men and direct the world as they see fit then they are not governed and receiving revolution by God or Jesus. And I would go as far as to say that none of the so-called prophets including Joseph Smith have ever received any kind of Revelation or messages from God or Jesus.
@@captaingaming-kh5qw it's astounding that you're willing to give these men that claim to have revelation about the hereafter and you're willing to give them excuses when I doubt from your day to day life you would give such excuses to say politicians if they're found lying you wouldn't give them the time of day you would throw everything they had out the window. But I'll even put that in a more current term an example what if we find out 5 years from now that say moderna or Pfizer lies about their findings about the vaccine would you ever trust moderna or Pfizer again or would that be a hard road to climb to gain favor in your view.