“No Spark” Is it a Bad Switch Box, Stator or Trigger? Using a DVA Adapter - 1989 45 hp Mercury

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  • This 45 hp Mercury lost spark on all four cylinders. The owner wants it fixed and asked me to diagnose the problem and fix it. Is the Stator, Trigger, Switch Box or Coils?
    This video is how I diagnose which component(s) failed to determine what it needs to get it running again using just a volt/ohm meter and a Direct Voltage Adaptor (DVA) . The ohm meter is used to measure resistance for the Stator and Trigger then finally using the DVA adapter being plugged into the Volt Meter measures peak voltage. This is needed because the volt meter by itself measures only average voltage, whereas the DVA is needed to measure peak voltage outputs.
    Off camera I also made sure to check the kill circuit first as well as the tilt / cut off switch. Both circuits were working fine so that left the coils but since it was sparking on all four cylinders just minutes before it stopped running it made sense that all four coils wouldn’t fail simultaneously. So the problem had to be either the Stator, trigger or switch box. I started with the Resistance of the Stator, then the Trigger and finally the checking the voltage outputs of the Switch Box using the DVA and Volt meter. All outputs were compared to the specifications outlined by CDI technical sheets on their webpage www.cdielectronics.com go to the Technical Support tab then click on Technical Support Documents then DVA charts for all resistances and peak voltage requirements specific for your motor.
    Part 2 - “New Switchbox Regained Spark Now Overheating - Find out Why”:
    • New Switchbox Regained...
    Part 3 - Carb Clean & Install
    • 1989 45 hp Mercury - C...
    Part 4 - Still to Hot
    • Steaming Hot Telltale ...
    Part 5 - Overheating? Try This!
    • 1989 45 hp Mercury - O...
    Part 6- Overheating - Found the Problem & Resulting Carnage.
    • 1989 45 hp Mercury - O...
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  • @TheBestYouthWrestlingVideos

    The screenshots I've taken from your videos of how this all goes back together are priceless. Thank you good sir🙏🔥

  • @MrJmattr3
    @MrJmattr3 Před 2 lety +2

    Great work! Just went through this on a Mariner 80. Same readings that you had. Time for a new switch box.

  • @richardwolske2015
    @richardwolske2015 Před rokem

    Great job on the troubleshooting breakdown, 👍

  • @agmc4me
    @agmc4me Před 3 lety +2

    excellent video, I have a customers 8 hp that drops a cylinder but will come back with a little rev of the throttle, I need to do all theses tests.

  • @dominikzaleski4706
    @dominikzaleski4706 Před 2 lety +1

    This helped, a lot! Thanks for not skipping the small stuff!!

  • @ricksnowden8408
    @ricksnowden8408 Před 2 lety +1

    Watching this, I found myself wanting to be the other hand you needed. GREAT VID,VERY HELPFUL.

  • @markmorgan1116
    @markmorgan1116 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank You. My switch box and stator were both bad. Sparking like crazy now :)

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 3 lety +2

      Hey that’s great if my video helped you diagnose and find your issues. I’m very happy for you if you were able to get your motor running again. Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @unsaltedlife5998
    @unsaltedlife5998 Před 3 lety +7

    Very nice walk through, I’ve seen people just start buying parts and never walk through the check list and it cost them so much money before they figure it out.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 3 lety +1

      I can’t say 100% sure but I’m pretty confident the switch box is bad. I didn’t check each of the coils but i did test the rectifier and that was good. It’s a pretty good bet I found the problem. I’ll know tomorrow. The new switch box arrived tonight.

    • @unsaltedlife5998
      @unsaltedlife5998 Před 3 lety +2

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair yeah I always start from the plug wires and work backwards but I believe you’re right. I do that because it’s cheaper going that way and the no spark on all cylinders is normally way up the line.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 3 lety +4

      Unsalted Life ... well it’s fixed, it was the switch box after all. Now I have a overheating problem with the same motor even after installing a new water pump impeller. I’m thinking it’s the nylon insert under the powerhead. I’m getting a tell tail stream but it’s weak and coming out super hot. What are your thoughts?

  • @alafanlaman
    @alafanlaman Před 2 lety +4

    Great video. For me, it was blue to blue/white on stator. Would crank cold, but when warmed up, would not crank. Would get an ohms resistance reading intermittantly on blue to blue/white. Found this article online for an explanation of why this could happen. I am no expert, but it makes sense. It's like ghosts living in your engine.
    From an old post in 2007.
    One more thought with regards to the dual winding on a Mercury stator. It would make sense to me also that the main purpose was to give a better, higher amperage charge at lower RPM.
    However, when reading posts on a Mercury outboard specific site, one of the first indications of a problem with the lower speed winding is weak spark when cold, but enough that the motor will start. Of course, the motor started so, like me, you'd go off on your merry way and forget about it taking a few more cranks than usual. Once the throttle is down and the RPM increases you've unknowingly switched to the high winding on the stator. Your second clue to a bad low speed side is when the motor is now warm, and you shut it off. The malfunctioning low speed winding is now also warm and has become an open circuit, so the motor won't restart. Sometimes, as in my case, the circuit closes when it cools, allowing the motor to start once again, but giving you an intermittent issue that is by nature hard to diagnose. I got this clue about three times, but was too bull headed to investigate before it finally quit altogether.
    So, while I'm sure the low speed winding helps with low RPM charging, it apparently also has the primary role in supplying spark to the motor.
    jandrewg posted 05-23-2007 11:47 AM ET (US) Profile for jandrewg Send Email to jandrewg

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Chris Forbes…. Thank you for posting that fantastic explanation. I’m sure this will help many people troubleshoot similar ignition problems. Thanks again for watching.

  • @crafter170
    @crafter170 Před 2 lety

    Nice work .Process of elimination .Very professional. Brilliant.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      Crafter … thank you for your kind response and for taking the time to watch.

    • @crafter170
      @crafter170 Před 2 lety +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair Your very welcome Sir.Always a pleasure to watch a professional at work

  • @jamesnottingham8315
    @jamesnottingham8315 Před 2 měsíci

    was watching your video. My 85 hp Yamaha would not fire. When you checked the kill switch, I remembered i had broke my kill switch wire when the seat fell on it. I hooked kill switch up. engine started. :)

  • @cylon961
    @cylon961 Před 2 lety +1

    This helped me out alot. I've a 78 50hp merc with the 4 wire stator. Read all pairs good skipped the dva voltages and went directly to cranking voltage reads, found a black box in between the stator and switchbox that read open, so i bypassed it. Couldn't find a drawing or part number on the net. Started right up.
    Thank you so much for clear concise information.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      Cy Lon… I’m very happy the video helped you out. Try finding your part on www.marineengine.com they have very good drawings and parts listings for your motor. Good luck and thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @TheOffCycle
      @TheOffCycle Před měsícem

      You mean the rectifier?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před měsícem

      @TheOffCycle ... no the rectifier just charges the battery.

    • @TheOffCycle
      @TheOffCycle Před měsícem

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair yes but it can interrupt the signal on these motors when it goes bad. One of the tests for no spark is removing the yellow leads to it.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před měsícem

      @TheOffCycle..... Excellent advice thank you for your knowledge and experience

  • @MitzvosGolem1
    @MitzvosGolem1 Před 4 měsíci

    I worked on these since 1970s up until 1990s Salt water corrosion nightmare.
    Often had power pack low speed charge coils went bad when hot.
    Sone older Mercury had a tilt kill switch with mercury liquid in them hooked to kill wire and a dead man switch in control by box .
    The older 6 cylinder had distributor cap with trigger and a belt.
    I have a 1990 Yamaha 50 all original electrical ignition .
    Nice channel 👍 Thanks

    • @FatGuyInALittleCoat1
      @FatGuyInALittleCoat1 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Anything that can be applied to the stator/charge coils to help slow saltwater erosion?

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Před 2 měsíci

      @@FatGuyInALittleCoat1 CRC spray oil .
      I always tell people spray entire power head alot with WD-40
      In Salt.
      Electric stuff also.
      Zinc on lower housing above prop is supposed to slow down corrosion under water.
      Salt inside block water covers often rotted out engine from inside out.
      In 1980s they changed Aluminum to be much much better.
      Charge coil is 350vac may be hooked up to a cathode.anode and shock all the fish clams out of bay .
      Mercathode was a unit used on Mercruiser out drives to stop electrolysis for drives kept submerged at marinas .

    • @FatGuyInALittleCoat1
      @FatGuyInALittleCoat1 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MitzvosGolem1​​⁠​⁠thanks! I have some 656 spray I can use on the power head areas like you’re saying. I haven’t used WD-40 in addition to that - makes sense to displace water after use.

    • @FatGuyInALittleCoat1
      @FatGuyInALittleCoat1 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@MitzvosGolem1​​⁠​⁠thanks! I have some 656 spray I can use on the power head areas like you’re saying. I haven’t used WD-40 in addition to that - makes sense to displace water after use.

    • @MitzvosGolem1
      @MitzvosGolem1 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@FatGuyInALittleCoat1 salt stays behind even when water evaporates.
      Sets up a electrical cell to eat away at metals especially when different metals are combined .
      Good luck
      Check water pump rubber impeller..
      I said that millions of times 😂

  • @buellfuel2001
    @buellfuel2001 Před 2 měsíci

    Best explainatiin yet!

  • @gilfredooquendo9969
    @gilfredooquendo9969 Před rokem

    Great video I didn't know what it was and to avoid having emotional Damage I just bought everything brand new

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      Gilfredo Oquendo… Thanks for watching, I just hope you didn’t have to spend to much on all those parts.

  • @maryfithen5006
    @maryfithen5006 Před 11 měsíci

    Thanks so much found out it was trigger now it runs good

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 11 měsíci

      Mary fifthen. … that’s awesome. I’m so glad the video helped and gave you some direction. I hope you’re back on the water soon. Thanks for commenting. It’s very much appreciated.

  • @4x4BMW
    @4x4BMW Před 9 měsíci

    Very good information everything you needed nothing you didn't

  • @MrJmattr3
    @MrJmattr3 Před 2 lety

    Installed Amazon 54$ switch box and it runs perfect now.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      That’s awesome! So glad the video helped. Thanks for the feedback and letting us all know.

  • @TheSilverSurfisher
    @TheSilverSurfisher Před rokem +2

    Thanks for the great video,
    How to get a troubleshooting sheet for a particular brand engine? Also, is the "Trigger" an adjective to describe what happens regarding the Switch Box or a device/part that I somehow am missing?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +2

      TheSilverSurfisher…. Great questions. Thanks for posting them. To find your specs for your specific model you should go to www.cdielectronics.com
      Then Click on the Technical Support tab, then click Technical Documents, then click DVA charts. This will give you the information you are looking for by year and model number.
      The trigger is located under the Stator under the flywheel. It’s function is to provide the correct timing of the motor by using electrical impulses to the switchbox to fire each spark plug at the correct moment.
      I hope this helps answer your questions. Thanks again for watching and commenting.

  • @mikezilla4053
    @mikezilla4053 Před rokem +4

    Personally if the engine has known to have X amount of hrs 9x’s out of 10 it’s going to be the power box. And ya might as well get new coils and plugs. It’s not a lot of money and what the hell .. if your fixin one thing might as well do a overhaul. Last thing anyone wants is to be out on the water and have to get a tow. Thanks for the run down, it’s always good to know the sequence of operations none the less

    • @mikesolns1364
      @mikesolns1364 Před 10 měsíci

      Can anything else cause a no spark in all plugs scenario?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 10 měsíci

      @mikesolns1364… Yes a bad kill switch or if all the coils were bad or if the wiring harness was rotted.

    • @mikesolns1364
      @mikesolns1364 Před 10 měsíci

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair Is it true that a bad regulator/rectifier can burn a power pack? Thanks, I appreciate it

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 10 měsíci

      @@mikesolns1364 ….from my understanding the rectifier just charges the battery but a faulty Stator can cause a power pack to go bad.

    • @mikesolns1364
      @mikesolns1364 Před 10 měsíci

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair I ask because I think my rectifier is faulty, my tach goes crazy most of the time, and had no sparks in all plugs, changed the power box, and the engined fired back up, to be without sparks again some weeks later. Was wondering if the rectifier could have burned it? Do you know how can a stator burn it?

  • @brianpelcher3198
    @brianpelcher3198 Před 2 lety

    Where is the kill switch wire located on the motor or what color is the wire been trilingual to get parts for mine they say they don't make them nomore

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      The Killswitch is a salmon wire that leaves from the ignition switch to the switchbox and from the switch box to the tilt/ Killswitch on the motor. You can try getting parts that are hard to find on a Facebook group called Vintage Mercury outboard Fanatics. There’s lots of parts available from people on that group

  • @johntabor3445
    @johntabor3445 Před 2 lety +1

    Great video. Can the test for checking voltage been done without the DVA adapter? Or will the readings be different?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +3

      You must use a DVA adapter to get peak voltage otherwise theVoltmeter will just average the number and you’ll never know if your component is in spec

    • @johntabor3445
      @johntabor3445 Před 2 lety

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair ok thank you

    • @johntabor3445
      @johntabor3445 Před 2 lety +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair I got the DVA and made several measurements based from your test. My Mariner 100hp is a 1986. All ohmn tests pass on stator and trigger. Looks to be a trigger issue but not 100%.
      Stator volt on blue/white was at 180v a bit low compared to the others at 193v.
      Trigger voltage on the 6v tests all were around 3.0vdc.
      Making sure it’s supposed to be 6v based on a different year engine.
      5
      Thanks for the help

  • @saloniemi2008
    @saloniemi2008 Před 2 lety

    May I ask, what is that manual you are screencapping? I have a similar aged merc and would kill for a decent shop manual.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Tuomas… I purchased a Solec Manual from www.marineengine.com but the screen shots are found at www.cdielectronics.com

  • @jimdrechsel3611
    @jimdrechsel3611 Před 2 měsíci

    Very useful process and informative. I would add at the start (if you haven’t already) to check the plug wires and coils. Pretty simple to test before checking/changing the expensive parts.
    Looking for a good blue spark instead of a weak orange spark can help with diagnosis.
    The l last time I had a power pack go I had a a sudden quit and no start. Have you experienced an engine that still runs with a bad power pack? Thanks for sharing

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 měsíci

      @jimdrech …. Thanks for watching and commenting. Your experience is very helpful. I have never seen a motor run with a bad power pack at least not yet.

  • @jamessaylor4473
    @jamessaylor4473 Před 2 lety

    Where did you get the technical information for testing the electrical components? I am having a similar issue with a 1981 Mercury 40 hp 2 cyl 2 stroke. How far up into Michigan are you located?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +2

      James saylor… you can find the technical information on www.CDIelectronics.com
      Click on the Technical Support Tab then click the Technical Support Documents, then click DVA Charts to find the information for your motor.
      I am located in the South East Side of Michigan. Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @kerryaustin4651
    @kerryaustin4651 Před 5 měsíci

    Hello, really enjoyed your videos. You provide some of the best detailed videos I’ve watched. I have a 2001 Mercury 125hr with no spark. I just moved from high elevation to lower. I cleaned 4 carbs and replaced the jets. Put all back together and she would not start. I would like to try diagnosis myself and follow your detailed video testing stator, trigger and rectifier/ regulator. I purchased a 12 volt remote starter switch from harbor freight. I have looked online how to connect to my motor but found nothing very educational. Can you do a video on how to install a remote started switch. I am working on this motor by myself. Thank you so much

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 5 měsíci

      @kerryaustin4651 … Thank you very much for watching and commenting. I don’t currently have a video installing a key or push-button switch but will work on it.

    • @kerryaustin4651
      @kerryaustin4651 Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you for your reply. I am just looking to install a temporary remote start switch so that I can crank the engine while at the outboard instead of constantly crawling in/out of boat. Thanks again

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 5 měsíci

      This is what I use. Just connect one alligator clip to the hot side of starter Solinoid and the other to hot lead to the starter. Hope this helps.www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3630-Remote-Starter-Switch/dp/B000EVU8MK/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=XTSJLJNEJZ4G&keywords=starter+bypass+switch&qid=1702850995&sprefix=starter+bypass+%2Caps%2C2043&sr=8-3

  • @omarnazzal2134
    @omarnazzal2134 Před 2 lety +1

    Great job explaining this ! I have an issue where im getting spark on all cylinders but it seems like some cylinders are doing more work, i removed the plugs while running and there is one cylinder that it doesnt really affect the motor when plug is out, i test compression and all cylinders are good, coils are also tested to be good, could this possibly be an electrical problems thats not the coils ?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      It’s still possible that one of the coils is bad under load even if it checks out with the resistance test. Did you check the switch-box, Stator or trigger outputs for resistance and peak voltage? Process of elimination.

    • @omarnazzal2134
      @omarnazzal2134 Před 2 lety +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair im waiting on the dva adapter to test the rest but I switched the coils around and the same cylinder is giving me issues im thinking the coils are good ima do like you said but im thinking the switch box could be it. Thanks !

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      It sounds like your on the right track by diagnosing before just buying parts for trial and error. Keep looking and you’ll find the problem(s).

    • @omarnazzal2134
      @omarnazzal2134 Před 2 lety

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair sorry i know I asked a lot of questions but I am kind of stuck, I found that two coils are recieving low voltage at 140 and the other two are borderline in spec at 160, I tested everything according to my manual and everything checked out except the high speed stator wires (red and red-white) read 100ohms and the manual wants it at 56-76, do you think that could be causing the engine to run rough at idle? thanks!

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      @@omarnazzal2134 I would make sure you don’t have a fuel issue first by cleaning the carb. The idle circuit might be clogged. If your still having problems then revisit the Stator. If you were having problems at high speed then it might be a Stator problem but if your not then it sounds more like a carb problem.

  • @antknee1072
    @antknee1072 Před rokem +1

    great tutorial sir. I have the exact same engine. I tested my trigger to your specks same as you did. Cranking with the DVA hooked up you got 6v or more. Mine only puts out 1v. Is that low enough to assume that it needs to be replaced you think. Engine is lacking power at higher RPM's. Thanks for any info that you pass along.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      Anthony sloan … it depends on which wires on the trigger you are testing. The purple, white, brown and white/black wires when checking to engine ground should be 1v or more. Checking purple to white and brown to White/black wires should produce 4v or higher. If your trigger is producing these values then you might want to look at checking the Stator. Do you have strong spark on all cylinders or only spark on some cylinders? If one or more cylinders lack spark then it could be bad coils, SP wires or a bad switchbox.

    • @antknee1072
      @antknee1072 Před rokem +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair I checked the stator exactly the way you showed and I actually got better numbers than you got so it should be fine. The switchbox is new. On my trigger test exactly as you explained on the DVA cranking voltage test of purple to white and brown to black and white you got a little over 6 volts on both. I got only 1 volt on both of those. So my trigger passed the ohms tests but failed the voltage according to your specs. unless 1 volt is sufficient enough. What do you think om that. My coils and wires passed resistance tests.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +2

      Anthony Sloan… If the voltage is showing only one volt and it needs four or more then I would say the trigger failed the test and needs replaced.

  • @leemurphy3960
    @leemurphy3960 Před 2 lety

    I am working on a 1977 85hp Mercury 4cyl. for a friend. I don't have a DVA. It is a red flywheel and the stator is black. When I check the red to red white I get 67.5 ohms. The blue to blue white is 7.46 @ 20k. The yellow wires are loosing insulation where they go into the stator. The trigger is violet to white 750 ohms and brown to white black is 735. Are these readings ok? The stator seem high on one and low on the other. Please write back.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      Lee Murphy… make sure your getting the proper resistance reading from the Stator. It might be that your Stator is bad. That’s why you need a DVA adaptor or a meter that reads peak AC voltage to check and see if your delivering the proper voltage to the switchbox from the Stator.

  • @fdyhdfhy
    @fdyhdfhy Před 2 lety

    Where did you find the specifications for your engine? I can’t seems to find anything for mine.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Walleye Slayer … I found the information by going to www.CDIelectronics.com
      Click on the Technical Support tab then Technical Support Documents and finally DVA charts. You should be able to find the information you need for your motor. Good luck!

  • @paulhumphries387
    @paulhumphries387 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @hawgsnatcherscatfishing9075

    Just wondered was yours a 15/16" socket on the flywood nut?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Sorry I can’t remember. I sold that motor for parts for the owner since it had scored cylinders.

  • @jaredfeig3379
    @jaredfeig3379 Před rokem +1

    I have a Yamaha 115HP V4 from 1984-1988. Having the same issue, no spark on any cylinder. It seemed like the CDI troubleshooting guide you used in the video was worth the money. Would you say it was helpful? I found their specs documents for free but it looks like you have to pay for the troubleshooting guide. It's a shame I live so far away from you (northwest Washington), none of the mechanics around here want to tackle this issue, just because it's and older motor. I'm going to try replicate what you do in this video and see if it'll help.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      Jared Feig ….. the CDI DVA are like you stated free charts and are very useful, however I did not purchase the troubleshooting guide. I am not a professional mechanic but just used a systematic approach to isolate the problem. Good luck with your 115 Yamaha. If you keep digging you will solve it yourself.

  • @kman2308
    @kman2308 Před 9 měsíci

    I just watched this vid of testing the stator, trigger, and pack. Do you have a vid showing a stator and trigger you tested and replaced? I am trying to help my nephew get an 1985 75 merc 4-cyl 2-stroke running (no spark at all.) I gifted him the boat and when I put it up (20 yrs ago) she ran fine. We paid a tech to diagnose it to a bad box (I got him a CDI and he replaced, but no change.) He even tried another used CDI box thinking maybe the new one was bad. I had him disconnect both the kill switch and tilt kill switch wires. I am thinking the diagnosis was bad but the guy who supposedly did it owns a large shop and supposedly "is good" -- I don't know him (I'm not local to there) but I am questioning that and wondering if he just tested the box output and not the inputs!! So I think he may have to get into the flywheel and looking for a vid of that just in case they test out bad (I need to get him a DVA.) so he can see what he would be getting into and feel comfortable about it. I'd have no problem but I live a day away.
    Is there any known issues with Merc flywheels/magnets around that vintage perhaps?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 9 měsíci +1

      @knan2308…. First thing I would do is disconnect the wires from the Stator and check resistance. Then the do the same for the Trigger. If ok then get the DVA adapter or a good Fluke meter that reads peak AC voltage to see the inputs and outputs. If you pull the flywheel you will need the specific puller and inspect to see if the magnets are strong and not missing or damaged. Also make sure the Woodruff key has not been sheared. Sorry but i don’t have a video on replacing a bad Stator and Trigger at this time. Good luck chasing down your Nephew’s issue. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.

    • @daithiosioradain3380
      @daithiosioradain3380 Před měsícem

      I've seen magnets that had come off a Mercury flywheel. They're powerful so they transfer on to the stator. Some will remain attached so the flywheel will push the loose magnets round when cranking. It makes quite a rattle but hard to detect. They're very powerful so even when detached are hard to wiggle with your finger tips. A quick check is feel under the flywheel for any magnets touching each other.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před měsícem +1

      @daithiosioradain3380 ....So true. Thanks for watching and commenting

  • @nathanhuckabee8015
    @nathanhuckabee8015 Před 8 měsíci

    If the trigger readings aren’t in spec would it make the switch box not read correctly?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 8 měsíci

      @nathanhuckabee8015… Yes that is my understanding. If the Peak Voltage or Resistance readings are out of spec replace it.

  • @kevdmiller5150
    @kevdmiller5150 Před 9 měsíci

    If I disconnect the kill swich connector and it runs, can I run the motor without the killswitch connected until I get the killswich replaced? Thanks so much for this video, I learned a lot.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 9 měsíci +1

      @kevdmiller5150… it’s a safety issue and is up to you. The kill switch is designed to shut the motor off if you hit something in the water like a log that raises the motor out of the water.

  • @tellerx1
    @tellerx1 Před 2 měsíci

    So I was wondering if you ever had a problem getting readings with your DvA. I bought a new DVA and it seems that I don't see any readings of any kind when it's hooked up to my multimeter. When I follow your procedure on my 80 horsepower Mercury I'm going to try another meter. I just hope that it's not my DVA and I have to order another one. The initial problem was instead of no spark on all cylinders. It's only no spark on number one cylinder. All the other ones light up. However, I can't do any direct voltage testing with the meter and DVA that I have

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 měsíci

      I've had no problems getting voltage readings from my DVA adapter. Some Meters may not be compatible or capable of reading peak voltage.

  • @charlesshahan4792
    @charlesshahan4792 Před rokem

    so where exactly do you get the manual with step by step instructions. It helps if one understands how exactly to use the electrical test tool too! what kind of remote starter switch are you using? can you show it? Not many old timers out there with this kind of patience and diagnostic skills.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem

      Charles Shahan… the information can be obtained at www.CDIelectronics.com
      You will need to look up your particular model number. Click on the Technical Support then Technical Support Documents then click on DVA charts to find the voltage and resistances for your components. The hand held switch can be purchased on Amazon for under $12. Just type in trigger switch 12v. You should also purchase a service manual at www.marineengine.com for your motor.

  • @kennethgraham6113
    @kennethgraham6113 Před 2 lety

    Would those numbers work on a larger 150?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      I’m not sure about that. You would need to look up the specs for your particular motor. You should be able to find those specs at www.CDIelectronics.com

  • @osbornebay944
    @osbornebay944 Před 3 lety +1

    nice vid, l have a 85 50hp, no spark. l will walk through and see if spot a faulty one (stator, trigger or CDI).

  • @lazygames6387
    @lazygames6387 Před 2 lety

    Hi I have the same problem but 2 of the plugs have spark but 2 dount Could it be the stator or the CDI Box.? It ran an I turned it off and and stopped working the trigger I also ok.

    • @lazygames6387
      @lazygames6387 Před 2 lety

      Blue - white = 70 v
      Blue - ground = 120 v
      Red - blue = 94 v
      Red - ground 16 v
      Brown - white 1 v
      I didn't really understand what was on the paper so can you help 😕

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Lazy Games… The numbers you provided above for voltage look low. Did you use a DVA (digital voltage adapter) connected to your volt/ohm meter? You can get the specs on your motor at www.CDIelectronics.com

  • @bobbyvee2043
    @bobbyvee2043 Před rokem +1

    Great video!!! I have a 1985 Mercury 75 HP. Idles and runs like a top up to 4100 rpm’s then runs rough, spits, sputters etc. when I back off it runs great. Checked everything I could think of concerning fuel but no change. Electrical? Any thoughts?

    • @bobbyvee2043
      @bobbyvee2043 Před rokem

      And I sure hope it’s not the reeds………..

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      Bobbyvee20…. Did you remove the carbs and thoroughly clean the carbs. It sounds like you might have a high speed jet plugged or partially plugged. If you have already cleaned the carbs you might want to verify the resistance values for the Coils, Stator and Trigger and if that all checks out ok use a DVA adapter to verify your peak voltage outputs for both the Stator and Trigger as well. If the voltage and resistance outputs check out then you may have a bad switchbox.

    • @bobbyvee2043
      @bobbyvee2043 Před rokem +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair carb’s thoroughly cleaned. Stator and Trigger resistance good. I need to check the coils and do the DVA adapter tests on the stator and trigger. I didn’t understand how until I came across your video! One question, on the resistance tables, OEM (original equipment manufacturer) and CDI is an aftermarket manufacturer?
      Thanks for the quick reply!

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      @@bobbyvee2043 you are correct CDI is aftermarket.

    • @bobbyvee2043
      @bobbyvee2043 Před rokem +1

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair Thank You!

  • @dominikzaleski4706
    @dominikzaleski4706 Před 2 lety

    Got to subscribe!

  • @williamhall8674
    @williamhall8674 Před 2 lety

    Where are you from what state? I wish i could get you to work on my motor 89 Mercury 50hp 2 stroke

  • @ctasteve5
    @ctasteve5 Před 2 lety

    what if the new trigger has ground .55 or more? how will it ground itself? i have no spark tested trigger and it failed . replaced with a new one and still shows ground on all 4 wires its a 90 hp merk power sport cdi red stator.... help it was running on 2 befor replacement of new trigger .. now nothing.. replaced old trigger and still i have no zero spark.. and dont run at all .. HELP..

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Steve Damico…. Make sure your Stator has the proper resistance as well. It’s your Stator that acts like an alternator and produces the AC current.

  • @jaypisme2343
    @jaypisme2343 Před 6 měsíci

    What does that adapter to the meter do?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 6 měsíci

      @japisme2343… The purpose of the DVA adapter is to convert the average voltage reading to peak voltage output. Most top end multimeters are capable of reading peak voltage but lower end meters are not capable.

  • @showstopper4200able
    @showstopper4200able Před 2 lety

    I keep having a problem losing stators and engine won't rev over 3k rpm under load

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      You might want to check out your switchbox. I have heard that when you change your Stator, you should also replace your switchbox as well. If you didn’t this might be why your Stator is failing so often. It might also explain the low rpm. Are you getting spark on all cylinders?

  • @WeaponsandRedknecks
    @WeaponsandRedknecks Před 2 lety +1

    that Crider was a Dirt Dobber nest. FYI:)

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Thanks for clarifying. I’ll keep my eyes open for those critters in the future. Thanks for tuning in and commenting.

  • @brianpelcher3198
    @brianpelcher3198 Před 2 lety

    How much is the stator and switch box need to locate them

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      Check out a parts list for your model /serial number on www.marineengine.com then search those part numbers on EBay for your parts. You should be able to find them much cheaper. I found the switchbox for this 45hp Merc for only $45.00.

    • @brianpelcher3198
      @brianpelcher3198 Před 2 lety

      Have nothing on the stator Blu and blue white no reading on those 2wires

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      @@brianpelcher3198 It sounds like you found your problem.

    • @brianpelcher3198
      @brianpelcher3198 Před 2 lety

      The problem I'm having is can't find parts for the classic fifty nowhere needing a stator

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      @@brianpelcher3198 Try joining a Facebook group called Vintage Mercury Outboard Fanatics. There are people who might have the parts you need.

  • @baysinfisher6094
    @baysinfisher6094 Před rokem

    Now if I omhed my stator like you said should have 5000 to 6000 ohmes I have 4000 would that be a problem

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      I would not assume it’s bad with that high resistance. I would confirm it using a DVA adapter measuring the peak voltage output of the stater.

    • @baysinfisher6094
      @baysinfisher6094 Před rokem

      OK thanks, I have a 1988 Blackman 150 xr4 not sure if I just have foul plugs or what it won't go faster than 6 mph , starts and idols fine but when idols sounds little to Quiet not as loud as it used to be? Any thoughts

    • @baysinfisher6094
      @baysinfisher6094 Před rokem

      Also if I give it full throttle it wants to stall I just back off throttle a bit it runs but won't go faster than 6mph I'm really trying to get back on the river ,

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před rokem +1

      Low Power may indicate that you’re not getting good spark on all cylinders. Check the spark gap by using a variable, adjustable, spark tester. Check compression at all cylinders as well. You may have low compression on one cylinder or more. Could be plug the carburetor or worn out fuel lines, or pump check for fuel leaks where you have fuel leaks you can have air getting in check all fuel fittings as well. If you squeeze the primer bulb while attempting full throttle and the rpm’s increase you most likely have a bad fuel pump.

    • @baysinfisher6094
      @baysinfisher6094 Před rokem

      Is there any way to test the switch boxes

  • @greghudson1489
    @greghudson1489 Před 3 lety +1

    I need one of these for a 1970 110 9.8!

  • @Hoserfishing
    @Hoserfishing Před 2 lety

    Rectifier and then switchbox in my experience are the first to fail

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Houser fishing…true sometimes when the rectifier goes it also affects the Stator too. In this video all the testing pointed to the switchbox and proved to be the case shown in part 2. czcams.com/video/ZpauudyAKas/video.html
      Thanks for watching and commenting.

  • @maryfithen5006
    @maryfithen5006 Před 11 měsíci

    When i check white to ground and crank i get nothing

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 11 měsíci

      Mary fifthen …. If you are checking white to ground peak voltage using a DVA for the trigger it should be 1 volt or more.

    • @maryfithen5006
      @maryfithen5006 Před 11 měsíci

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair wile you are cranking? White wire connected or not

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 11 měsíci

      Yes connected, while you are cranking white wire to ground. 1 V or greater.

  • @drlove7115
    @drlove7115 Před rokem

    Where r u at

  • @leemurphy3960
    @leemurphy3960 Před 2 lety

    I forgot to say but it has a new switchbox and no spark at all.

  • @scottdempsey3532
    @scottdempsey3532 Před 2 lety

    Clear as mud,,lol

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety

      Sorry if it’s unclear. Hopefully you’ll find a solution. Good luck and thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @scottdempsey3532
      @scottdempsey3532 Před 2 lety

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair wouldn't it be easier for a beginner like me too just see if there is any power coming out of the powerpak and replace it if not?..like how do u fix a powerpak if u do all the stuff u did and found out its defective?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      @Scott Dempsey the reason for doing all this diagnostic work is to pinpoint the problem and not just replacing parts randomly. This helped me to target the switchbox as the problem by process of elimination. If the Stator and Trigger were bad I would have replaced them as well but why just throw money away by replacing good parts and seeing if that fixes the problem? Remember a no Spark condition can be caused by many different things. Usually on these old outboards it comes down to the Stator, trigger or switchbox.

  • @user-ot7xc5ry3r
    @user-ot7xc5ry3r Před 8 měsíci

    Bro whistles when he talks

  • @prassmancreations3168
    @prassmancreations3168 Před 2 lety

    You can just set your multimeter to AC volts instead of using the adapter.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +2

      Prassman… I didn’t test your theory but my understanding is that the DVA adapter allows the meter to read peak voltage and without it you can only read the average volts. Therefore you might not be getting the proper results (on the low side) and believe what your testing is bad when in fact it could be ok. Thanks for watching and commenting.

    • @dennaa7322
      @dennaa7322 Před 2 lety

      On some multimeters there are a max setting. Thatll work right?

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 2 lety +1

      @@dennaa7322 it may work with more expensive meters but I’m not sure. Mine was fairly inexpensive with limited capabilities and needed the DVA to read peak voltage.

    • @shawncharles7270
      @shawncharles7270 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@LivetofishOutboardRepair😅😊

  • @montneymon-ta-knee6810

    Why not just throw parts at it LOL

  • @norwajjohnson8726
    @norwajjohnson8726 Před 9 měsíci

    excuse me (stator) ,blue /blue white 6.45 ?? value ok ? or not??

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 9 měsíci

      @norwajjohnson8726…. Yes it was OK because the meter was set at 20K Ohms scale the value was 6.45K Ohms or 6450 Ohms. The acceptable range was 5K - 7K Ohms (5000 - 7000. Ohms).

    • @norwajjohnson8726
      @norwajjohnson8726 Před 9 měsíci

      @@LivetofishOutboardRepair thank you very much you have been very kind🙂👌

  • @norwajjohnson8726
    @norwajjohnson8726 Před 9 měsíci

    trigger ok value 793 ? or not ?🙄

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 9 měsíci

      @ norwajjohnson8726… Yes the trigger was good having a resistance of 793 Ohms. The spec is 800 - 1400 Ohms. I think my meter might have been off a little because the trigger still worked fine.

    • @LivetofishOutboardRepair
      @LivetofishOutboardRepair  Před 9 měsíci

      Scale was set at 20K