Rise and Fall of Numenor | Silmarillion
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- An excerpt from the Silmarillion written by JRR Tolkien and edited by Christopher Tolkien. Describing the rise and fall of Numenor (Atlantis). Art by Ted Nasmith and narration by Martin Shaw. Most important thing to take away from this story is that migration leads to conflict.
13:20 A case Against Migration.
22:26 Sauron's Rise.
34:38 Ar-Pharazôn summons Sauron.
48:06 Sauron convinces Ar-Pharazôn to attack Heaven.
1:00:01 The fall of Numenor. - Zábava
I like the thumbnail image you've chosen. Ted Nasmith's image of Minas Tirith here is one of the few that actually follows the book description, where the city is white but the outermost wall is made of the same impregnable black stone used at Orthanc Tower.
You know your art, I photoshopped out Gandalf riding towards the city and extended the painting for it to fit the aspect ratio. A lot of people wouldn't know that it's Minas Tirith and there are no paintings of Numenor.
Its an incredible painting
@@DanIel-fl1vc They wouldn't know it's Minas Tirith? Seriously? It's pretty distinctive.
@@theradgegadgie6352 is it though? There's a lot of other depictions. This 1 looks more like what I pictured. It wasn't even this good in the movie. Imo
@@glenmcintire3106 A city that looks like a wedding cake with a large keel-shaped hunk of mountain going through it? Yeah, I'd say that was pretty distinctive. Any serious Tolkien fan should recognise it immediately, I'd have thought.
“The love of Arda was set in your hearts by Eru Illuvatar, and He does not plant to no purpose”
Such beautiful words
I prefer The Gift of Men, Eru Iluvatar gave the best gift to men such a gift that even Elves became jealous, while Elves are bound to Arda, Men are not bound to it, so when Men die after the end of the World, Men will be with Eru Iluvatar for ever!
@@Astroviking_ thats the great misunderstanding, Eru has and has always been with men
@@kawekalee9737 true but I meant closer to him as in a physical way!
@@kawekalee9737 lollol
Thanks so much for uploading this! The "full" audiobook on CZcams stops right around where this one begins for some reason...
Because this isn’t the Silmarillion, it has nothing to do with the silmarils but was included in the book as an extra tale because it followed on from the account of the silmarils. The Silmarillion had a definite ending when the jewels found their long homes. This is the account of numenor and its fall.
Hope that helps
@@robertpadfield1895 I mean, I get that, but it is in the book so it still surprised me that it wasn't included in the audiobook
@@pizzadohpaz a Tolkien purist who was looking for a reason to slice it down to a mere 12 hours?, a bit like cutting the appendices out of the lord of the rings, I was a little disappointed too but also quite like being able to jump straight in at numenor
I think someone should do a complete audiobook of Tolkien from start to finish, all in order and including all the appendices, but I’m just glad it’s all out there and on the whole, not riddled with ads
@@robertpadfield1895 now that would be something to behold! A week-long audiobook!
@@pizzadohpaz
That would be an astoundingly awesome audio!
Though, At the speed of recitation, in full performance mode as this is, I think it may well be a great deal longer than a week from start to finish.
😉👍
No, methinks the greatest takeaway from this cautionary tale is fact that pride goeth before in fall. The self-righteous hubris, presumption and haughtiness of the Numenoreans-turned-colonizers led them to forsake the old path of peace and learning, even the worship of The One, and take up the yoke of unsatiated lust for that which was never designed for them. These truths are self evident no matter where a poeple take up their abode.
Majestically written, reverently read! Great recording!
Yes you are partly right, they did colonize middle earth and became prideful. But that's not ultimately what caused their downfall. They looked at valinor much in the same way middle easterners, south Americans and Africans look at Europe and the US today. Imagined there was something special about the land. Not realizing that it's the people that live there that hallowed it and made it into what it is.
They decided to migrate for better economic opportunities and then god sunk their island. If that's not anti migration I don't know what is. But yes, their pride no doubt contributed to what made them set sail in the first place.
Precisely. Nowhere did Tolkien's message suggest that travel and migration is the root of conflict. It was Melkor Morgoth and his seeds of evil.
Thank you also for mentioning the DOWNFALL of Numenor. Can't speak of their glory without speaking of their colonizing Middle-earth and their tyranny. For example, the descendants of Haleth's people (Dunlendings) were terrorized by the Numenoreans. They deserved better from their former allies and kin.
@@DanIel-fl1vc I don’t think immigrants look at something special at the land itself here...and there’s nothing “hallowed” about the land of the west irl. That doesn’t make any sense. And this is surely not an anti-migrant story, especially considering since that’s what the exiles of the Faithful of Numenor are...
@@andrewprice8820 No, it's not anti-immigrant, it's anti-pride, they all became prideful and thought they could flout the rules the Valar had set for them.
@@DanIel-fl1vc anti-migration? Don't know where you get that from. It's about pride and ingratitude. The Numenoreans were given long life spans and a beautiful island but over time they wanted more and were not happy with their gifts. Their pride coupled with their fear of death is what led them down this dark path. They misunderstood what Valinor was. They thought it was a place that granted immortality to any who lived or visited there like the Eldar. They wanted the ability to visit Valinor to gain immortality but also maintain a presence of power in Middle Earth
Imagine a real good movie about this with Eonwe among the edain
Epic
My favorite story in all the silmarillion....sauron's cunning and deception was epic! He destroyed numunor from within ...the decay that that became of them is unbelievable....
Epic, you're some kind of satanist? Tom Bombadil could easily slap Sauron around.
When Sauron decided to kneel before Eonwe the banner bearer and beg for mercy after the war of wrath only to flee in fear when told he had to answer to the Valar in the ring of doom. That was way more epic.
The evil are cowardly and weak, as true in fiction as it is in reality. Their only hope of victory is to prey on the gullible. But when that game's over and the war of wrath comes...
@@DanIel-fl1vc you heard me EPIC!!! Epic storytelling....lol I cant help it u think its real 🤪
@@keithbperrin9633 All fiction reflects reality.
@@DanIel-fl1vc that's your opinion
@@keithbperrin9633 Of course fiction reflects reality, it reflects the reality of the person that wrote it. If you think Sauron is way more epic, that reflects your reality and says a lot about you as a person and what kind of fiction book you would be writing. (Satanism)
But I'm jumping to conclusions you're probably just a guy wowed by how cool it seems. Maybe you're 12 or an adult 12 year old, those do exist. ;)
Splendid 👏
Love it
Beautiful ❤
I can safely say that if I were a Numenorean while Sauron was there, I would've 100% fell for his manipulations. Dude was just spitting straight logic that fed on the inner desires of all men, the desire to live forever.
You probably do in real life too. But I am not sure, if you are aware of the fact, that there are forces in the world such as Sauron, that really exist and effect the destiny of mankind.
But it's not so much about Sauron. It is that Sauron had the One Ring with him while he was there.
In the edition I’m reading, this starts at the bottom of page 310. Hope this helps anyone else.
“God not real.”
-Sauron, whilst wearing a fedora
Ach, the state of humour nowadays!
Morgoth wept
genius comment. love it
I love númenor ! Great vid
I love the entire story but Idve been on one of the ships of The Faithful....
Numenor was great. A great screw up of what great men could have been. It represents our vanity and mortality. Something that I guarantee you and I both contend with. It was intended for greatness but descended into something worse than any orc could ever imagine. You should not love Numenor.
@@kawekalee9737 I hope so.
THANKZ SIR!
Sounds amazing
Of which now all is told
I find it super interesting that this tale, which was clearly written after the Island was sunk, refers to the Numenorians as "Kings among Men." Why would it describe the people who were, according to this text, opposed to the evil Numenor and wiser with such an authoritative title?
Were the Elf friends maybe not so clear of the 'evil' Imperial and 'we are better than anyone else' mindset that brought the doom to the Island as they liked to believe? It says Amadil and Ar-Pharazon were friends at first, and all things hint that they grew close during the "numerous wars" in Middle earth. Or was the true meaning lost through the translation from Quenya to Westron to English?
It's also funny that this text refers to Valinor as a realm that was untouched by evil. We know that this is not true at all.
Brr de der drrrr
You seem like the type of person who farts in the bathtub and eats the bubble. You scratch at shit and chews your fingernails. What the sweet damn are you getting at here? I e already gouged my eyes out after reading this and am purely typing out of muscle memory...fuck.
If you are a human, but live for three centuries, are terribly wise and as strong as ten men put together and all that was given to you bi literal angels to honour your ancestors wars against Satan, pretty sure they son't really deserve the title, they are the Kings of Men.
@@robertmeadows7242 I know right! Do you think he drives a Prius, lmao.
please create the The book of lost tale 1 and 2 pleaseeee
You can listen to them here:
archive.org/details/TBOLT1-Audio/01.mp3
goldenaudiobooks.com/j-r-r-tolkien-book-lost-tales-p2-audiobook/
This would make a great movie
Well... they are making a series of this... which I dread.
@@hydradominatus3641 oh no!! Really? I’m already worried about the up coming animated movie “The War of Rohirrim” and I’m dreading they’re going to make Helm Hammerhand completely out of character lol.
Disney's gonna butcher it.
@@willwill3364 it's not made by Disney and regardless every studio has a habit of butchering IP these days.
@@hydradominatus3641 Aye.
It hurts to know how evil can be so depraved. Hope is in the return of our King. King Jesus
Could I get a precise source for this? Thanks.
The page would differ depending on the format of the book. But it's right after the war of wrath when they're given the island.
@@DanIel-fl1vc Akallabeth, then, a few pages in. Thanks.
*turns off your life support*
Robert Meadows as an avid troll myself I marvel at your tom-foolery. Well done!
Why is Minas Tirith on the cover pic for a video about Numenor? Minas Tirith wasn't even founded until after Numenor was destroyed. Very misleading.
Just for reference, I bridge this is the Akalabeth, not the silmarillion per se but a story contained in the published silmarillion, like the Ainulindale/Valaquenta.
hmm why does this reminds me of something....
Where is the previous part?
This is an excerpt from the Silmarillion, not the entire book. The entire book is here:
www.amazon.com/The-Silmarillion-J-R-R-Tolkien-audiobook/dp/B016N9U37Q
@@DanIel-fl1vc: thanks!
The previous part is you shutting the fuck up ... Previously I mean.
Elebreth. Tunuviel umdomniel gil oroduin tar naphidil el galiad narvo phar khaza dim
The whole series of the rings of power explained in 1 hour without all the woke improv. Thank you!
35:44
69:69
THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT
😂😂😂😂
He's so bad at pronouncing the names.
(boston accent) "its quata!!! not quarter!"
He is wonderful