Shogun Episode 10 'A Dream of a Dream' REACTION!!
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Toranaga was a master tactician as it all comes together in this finale!! Wow what a great series!
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0:00 Intro
0:43 Reaction
16:35 Discussion - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Mariko had two paths to success, like a fork maneuver in chess.
If she dies because of Ishido's actions while he's responsible for her safety, then the noble families will abandon him. If she's successful in leaving, then all the other noble family hostages will leave and Ishido will lose his leverage over them.
The only way Ishido could win is if he could prevent her from leaving by kidnapping her, which he tried and failed to do. Failure to accomplish a goal with an honorable outcome or even just failure in general is seen as weakness and eliminates confidence from his allies whether they are willing, or worse, coerced.
Finally, Blackthorn's vision at the beginning is of a future that never happens, a dream within a dream, which he let's go of fully when he releases Mariko's cross into the ocean. Right before he tries to commit sepukku, you see him hear a ghostly remnant of that vision and decides not to seek that path as it is full of regret.
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Note Toronaga used the same phrase with Yabushige that he used with his nephew, Omi, "Why tell a dead man the future." Hinting that Omi was secretly working for Toranaga. Mariko was given a new purpose to die for the cause instead of just suicide
Wowwwww I’ll share this with the guys! Thanks for watching with us
I noticed that, but just assumed it was Muraji or one of Toranaga's other spies who passed it on. Never occured to me that it was Omi who told him but makes perfect sense! All those side-eyes he kept shooting Yabushige when he was doing dumb shit! He was totally over it and was actively angling to get Toranaga to get rid of Yabushige and put Omi in his place!
It could be true, but it could also be that Omi switched to Toranaga's side after he started to question hi's own loyalties on episode 8
I want a series featuring Fuji-sama as a lethal assassin nun, sent to kill all of Toranaga's remaining enemies. A boy can dream, sigh...
Best nun
I agree with Mike, this episode felt like an epilogue and I really loved it. My thought on Yabushige is that while Toranaga knew a betrayal was coming, he didn't know exactly how it would play out. Great series, glad you reacted to it.
It's been years and years since I read the book, but I'm almost positive Toranaga's reason for keeping the Anjin alive was 'because I need a friend'.
It ties-in with the man at the top being the loneliest man in the world.
"he made me smile"
Poor Joe is hiding his sorrows under the bill of his hat again. What he said about watching grown men cry? Yeah same, it kills me. It hurts seeing you cry, too, Joe! But it's very endearing. We can all see how much you guys care about these characters.
See you guys tomorrow for Battlestar!
This is definitely the most beautiful poem I've every watched.
Sorry, James Clavell never wrote a direct sequel to Shogun (with the same characters). But he continued to write about Japanese & Chinese history (the 1800s, the 1960s), in a series of books based on a family of European traders. As to what “Shogun, pt 2” could have involved--here are some of the historical highlights: Battle of Sekigahara, Oct 1600. The largest battle in Japanese feudal history (according to wikipedia). The Eastern Army of 75,000 men (the Toranaga/Tokugawa forces) vs the Western Army of 120,000 (Ishido/Ishida). You know who won that battle. In 1603, the Japanese Emperor made Tokugawa Ieyasu “the Shogun”, a title he retained until abdicating in 1605 and arranging for his third son (Tokugawa Hidetada) to become the next Shogun. This did not diminish Ieyasu's political and military power however, he remained the ruler of Japan until his death in 1616, at age 73. He established a dynasty and government which lasted until 1868. Other events of significance after Ieyasu gained the Shogunate include: the re-building of Edo Castle (Edo later became the city of Tokoyo), the 1614 ban on Christianity (the expulsion of the Portuguese Jesuits & all foreign missionaries), and the Siege of Osaka Castle in 1615. Ieyasu & Hidetada vs the heir of the Taiko (aka Lady Ochiba & her son!). William Adams (aka, pilot John Blackthorne) participated in the Battle of Sekigahara, did oversee the construction of European-style ships for Tokugawa (1604), was granted the status of “samurai” (1605), served as Captain in four Southeast Asian expeditions (1613-1619), but never returned to England. He died in 1620, age 55. (This info was collected from various wikipedia entries.) Several biographies of William Adams have been published since Clavell wrote Shogun. Could be worth reading.
Thank you, we will haha to check it out
The real "Buntaro" is noted as a great warrior, who survived to a greater age than any of the other principals.
Blackthorne/Adams built at least two ships for Toronaga/Tokugawa and made trips on his behalf to Macau and elsewhere. So while he never did get back to England, he was trusted enough to leave Japan on business.
Good to know thank you
Ishido was a peasant. A peasant lord pulling all that shameful and dishonourable stunts, even denying Mariko's funeral which was a big turn-off for Ochiba.. However was Mariko disgraced because of her father, she was still superior, being of samurai lineage (and Ochiba's best friend).
That makes it even more clear why the things happened the way they did at the end, thank you
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Yabushige's death poem in the book was so much better than what we got here
What are Clouds
But an excuse for the sky
What is Life
But an escape from death
Yabushige is way better charachter in the series tho.
In true story ,John never left.
Please read the wiki on William Adams, blackthornes real world inspiration. I sought out his memorial marker in Tokyo based on the original series.
Great TV shows are great TV shows because they end
Thanks to Mikey, Joe and Mike! 🗾
I too wondered at how "good" Mariko looked after the explosion. But...not everything shown, and that kind of concussion could be strong enough to be fatal.