This Will Make You TENTHS Faster on Controller in Gran Turismo 7
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- If you're a controller user on Gran Turismo 7, you're at a disadvantage in slow corners because of the steering input filtering in the game. In this video I'll show you how to get around it and keep up with steering wheel drivers!
If you want to see more videos like these deep diving features in the game, let me know in the comments!
My GT-R NISMO Setup: • Gran Turismo 7 Nations...
SETTINGS:
Transmission: Manual
TC: 0
ABS: Default
Auto-Drive: Off
ASM: Off
Countersteering Assistance: Off
Controller Steering Sensitivity: 7
PSN: iiHarmonic
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0:00 - Intro
0:33 - Controller Steering Issue
0:59 - Using the Handbrake
1:39 - Base Lap - No Handbrake
3:21 - Hairpin with Handbrake
4:17 - Handbrake on Wheel, High Speed Corners
4:51 - Handbrake Technique
5:05 - 4WD Cars
5:50 - RWD Cars
6:58 - FWD Cars
7:15 - Handbraking Too Much
7:31 - Handbraking Too Early
7:44 - Handbraking Too Late
7:55 - Final Thoughts
#GranTurismo7 #GT7
So happy to hear someone else is bringing up the steering problem in the controllers! I was getting so sick of being gas-lit by people online saying I "just needed to get better" lmao
And let's not even mention when the RWD or AWad cars lose traction on the rear wheels, there's something seriously broken with steering in gt7 that didn't exist in GT Sport
@@thegamingconqueror7955 Exactly!!! Im so glad it's not just me
What about motion sensor steering? Love it since someone td me in GT Sport and never going back to stick as long as i don't have a wheel.
Yea the games so broke busted and disgusted I literally can’t believe it’s a GT title worst GT I think easy to say ever. How I honestly don’t know but the lack of time and heart put into the game shows just weeks into playing.. 2 months in and I’m officially done playing this joke of a title.
@@zarekmoffatt1287 Nope 6 was the worst in 6 there were many car's where you did go OFF the gas and you did a 180 in a corner. You are not a real GT fan if you don't have the pacience to wait for updates. How about Tweeting Kaz about Problems instead of going mimimi in the comments of a video!? I had a problem in Sport tweeted him and it was fixed next update.
I thought my controller was broken, glad other people have experienced this
I thought the gtr is too heavy to turn good but now i know the trick 😬
@@osy7368 czcams.com/video/Xc9Gph96hXs/video.html
That look familiar? lol
I was thinking the same
Same
This video was extremely validating, thank you, I’ve been really surprised at the amount of consistent understeer in almost every car, so this is super helpful.
I've been experimenting with a similar concept on FWD cars. while trailbraking, I give it a little throttle to cancel out the braking force on the front wheels, allowing the front wheels to fully focus on turning the car rather than slowing it down. the rear wheels will still be braking, so the weight balance will be towards the front like in normal trailbraking. if the trailbraking is too strong, I get a little oversteer which could be useful sometimes. this is useful in both long and tight corners like the handbrake method, but with more control over brake force.
a work-in-progress theory that I'm not sure how to test is that if my front wheels are accelerating while doing this, it may actually be helping rotate the car in that direction.
all of this was inspired by that stupid video of a yellow civic parallel parking by doing a burnout and handbrake pulled
Interesting
I think that's a real life technique used in rally. I do it on dirt a lot but not on blacktop as I prefer FR or MR cars.
that's a rally technique, I use it in Dirt rally 2 a lot for FF and 4WD cars, I learned it from Team O'neals YT czcams.com/video/bgg5WWfMWzM/video.html
This is a very real technique used by FWD racers
@@poguemahone5476 it's used for all drive layouts it's used for weight transfer at approach of turn
it's funny you mention this about slow corners. I actually thought this was very weird but I thought it was just me. Because I play so many dirt games I naturally just started using the handbrake to compensate and it worked. thank you for making this video and bringing this to light I know that making these videos is a lot of work!
Very nice video - well structured, covering all the points. Well done, subscribed.
New to GT & I’m so pleased to see this video & see that others have had issues with the steering whilst playing on controller!
I used the handbrake on controller around Tsukuba in the Moby Dick mission, especially in the hairpins. I noticed it made a huge difference. Glad its been highlighted.
Thank you!!! That's exactly where I'm losing time on the deep forest daily race... that Herpin kill me all the time..
I'm trying to learn no assist and manual transmission driving after playing since gt2. It took me a solid 2 days before I could even complete a lap and cranking controller sensitivity to max was one of the first things I did. Have to give this a shot!
This is one thing I've been struggling with. Will give this a shot. Thnx. 👌
I tried this in gt sport but I found the car oversteering too much, causing me to spin out.
Wow! So much faster in your timing.
I will employ this in GT7 with this tutorial 👍🏻
Thanks bro
Pretty unrelated, but I highly recommend using the gyro in the controller to steer rather than the sticks. It's way smoother! Also mimics your natural desire to steer with a wheel.
Yes, yes, yes!
I have to try this. Does it become tiring? Do you hold the controller vertically like a steering wheel or horizontally like... a DJ table?
@@pogtuber5146 Not any more than using a real wheel! It's a very light controller. On the straightaways I'll just rest my elbows on my knees. You'll notice yourself doing some really weird motions since the controller isn't attached to a steering stalk haha. But yes, hold it vertical like a steering wheel! Usually falls somewhere in between when you're focused.
@@Kee_Diddy I've found myself holding the controller close to my chest with my elbows pointing out 😂
@@SSCJCASE ye man this is natural 😁
Definitely going to try this. Thanks man.
yep, thats a technique that i have used i think since gt2 or 3. i've only used a controller, and giving a flick to the ebrake helps rotate the car. also messing with heavy rear brake bias, and front and rear toe. but like you said, timing and amount is key. great video on how to use it.
Video is good as always and what you're doing is very much a real world use technique 👊🏻
It's very, very rare to see a handbrake used like this IRL. Many race cars aren't even equipped with handbrakes that can be used like this
@@Harmonic14 i can't even argue but i have seen the handbrake being used plenty times to give rotation , maybe not so much in full fledged race cars , not being a dick with my comment just saying i have seen it being utilised
In AWD cars mostly but sometimes in others, Left Foot braking gets me tons of rotation but this is handy! Rolling like the WRC guys!
I was trying to find out why the steering was so awkward in GT7, glad that I stumbled upon this excellent video. I don't understand why this bug can even pass through QA... And honestly, that rear wheel traction modeling is so broken in GT7, it felt backwards when compared to GT Sports
I don't think this is a bug, per se. I think what it's doing is "smoothing" the rotation of the steering wheel, because irl you can't flick a steering wheel hard left or hard right instantaneously like you can with an analog stick. Still annoying, and definitely feels wrong when you're trying to get around a tight turn, but I see what they were going for. Hopefully they add an option to adjust the input speed so that it at least "smooths" as fast as a racing wheel can be spun.
@@brokenhalo22- ya but you should be able to overcome this easier at low speeds when you set steering sensitivity to the highest settings. The fact that people are using handbrakes like this is so dumb and shows you that the system is broken.
The thing is this is not a problem with every car, some cars steer brilliant and other car not...
Great that you thought of the controller players, well done.
I'm a controller player myself! Can't keep stuff like this a secret haha
@@Harmonic14 🐐 if we were in prison together, I'd protect you in the shower
@@Harmonic14 You really should start streaming and gaining subs and getting some donations, I would join, maybe a tute on setting up the controller would be popular,yours are the best tutes on yt
@@Kidraver555 I'd like to! It's just hard to find the time when I work full time and have other hobbies, too
Here’s another trick with the handbrake that works for me.
After a long straight with an up coming hairpin, you’ll need the entire braking zone if using abs. Those rapid fluctuations of braking force to keep from locking up are costing you deceleration rate.
I’ll brake a little later and use a few taps of handbrake for fine adjustment between abs weak or default and abs off.
I subbed because of the physics lecture on the suspension tuning video. I use to do this out of panic sometimes back in the Forza Motorsport 2 days, I'm glad I was onto something
Iv been doing this for gt generations and honestly thought everyone knew about this technique, good for sharing 👌
Interesting, as someone who usually sticks to rally, I've spent a lot of effort in GT7 fighting the urge to hit the handbrake on any remotely sharp turn lol. I'm on wheel (or motion controls when wheel isn't viable), so not super helpful for me personally, but I'll give this a go on some hairpins for the hell of it and see if I accomplish anything besides a donut. Thanks for the tips, you're videos are excellent btw. Look forward to more, can't get enough of this damn game.
Loved you as James Bond bro
You wont brake balance is your answer
great im going to learn to do this today thanks for sharing. do you have a video on controller settings please?
Great video!
Nice Video. Will try this
I've been trailbraking on all of my FF and AWD cars in turns that use 1st or 2nd, some MR cars can make it work, but it needs some finesse. I'm on PS5 so I go up until I hit the force feedback and modulate the throttle as needed, on PS4 it'll be up to 20% brake. I've tried the handbrake method, and couldn't get it consistent lap after lap, but the trailbraking method clicked for me. The steering (and the body roll linked to steering input) issue definitely needs fixing. So that and also when I turn off assists, and I don't turn the wheel driving around a corner, that steering input shouldn't budge and I should hit that wall at speed, but nope, not in GT7. So many races FUBAR due to the steering making minor adjustments on controller mid corner, might help others, but it needs work.
it's nice that peeps are finding the old GT2 tricks again!
I first used a 10-20% handbrake on the 125cc Kart while going on Tsukuba. That right hander after the Left hairpin just seemed in between braking and just lifting the throttle - so I started trying that :-D
Thank you!
Good tip specifically for rwd cars imo, awd and fwd I would say will have more consistency left foot braking, but maybe can throw this in n specific times or just for hot laps. Good research 👌🏽💯
been doing something like this like always.
Since GT Sport i used the motion sensor steering and that's a lot better! Still use the handbrake if the car understeers a ton.
I've been instinctively doing this since GT1 and always thought it was just a crutch because I was bad, I didn't realize how much of a disadvantage playing on controller is all this time
I haven't tried it but I will when I get home and I can already tell you this is genius
I haven't tried it but I will when I get home and I can already tell you this is genius
just started playing gt7, this explains a lot!
Great advise I had started just a few days ago
Do i need the tuning part handbrake in the tuning shop or it just works on every handbrake? Also does the steering angle tuning part help?
You don't need to buy the part. Steering angle doesn't do anything to solve this problem
Thanks for this. Hopefully it will help with the suzuka hairpin (which is painful with a controller)
That's how i beat that hellish licence test when you have that white honda NSX doing the airpin in the Suzuka circuit. Glad to know this is a legit technique. It's also really usefull in circuit like Laguna Seca.
Got a question for you mate. I’m using a wheel (CSL Elite). After I exit a corner and begin to straighten the wheel the steering goes light and the car goes off track in the opposite directing I’m steering. Any ideas?
Hard to say without seeing a video, but I'd try either half throttling until the car is basically straight, or maybe unwind a bit faster so you're not turning as much when throttling. Rear grip seems to be lacking when putting power down in GT7
Sometimes I get the hydraulic handbrake and turn down the torque to make it work better for this. Just a little brakes on the rear helps.
Thanks you that's a good skill
i was having a problem when doing tight corners i found in my case using a r32 gtr i had the car to low and the car couldn't full lock like they were hitting the body or something so i raised it to 100mm and that fixed hat issue
im going to give this handbrake style a try n see if i can improve
Ride height can cause a similar issue, but they are definitely 2 separate problems
Does the camera angle you use matter I notice most controller videos I see people use like 3rd person view and people with a wheel use pov camera. I’m new to the game so this may be a dumb question.
Isnt It Possible change the steering angle (even its for drifts)?
Kinda off subject but do you recommend 1 or 0 TCS?? I drive the porsche mostly on daily races and I feel on controller that car is kinda hard to drive on O traction control. Any thoughts.. oh and love the videos man!
If you find the Porsche hard to drive without TCS then definitely use it lol. It's one of the more stable cars and easy to handle in gr.3
For raw pace, 0 is always best. However, if you're faster on 1, then use 1 until you can handle 0
Do you think that applying the Brake Bias to full rear will help with this as well?
That's the equivalent of driving with hand brakes only. On all vehicles the front brakes are what are use to stop the car mainly, that's why you see in race cars the front brakes are so large
Keep in mind! Your car might just be too low.. literally. I had this same issue in my maxed out R32. Fantastic car, but hairpins were god awful. I thought it had to be a bug. But I had it slammed all the way down, so tires couldn't steer at speeds under 35mph. So I lifted it 20mm all the way around... viola.
im almost positive it’s a glitch with the r32, i haven’t really seen it happen with any other slammed car
I made a video about that weeks ago - that's not the issue here. If it was, this wouldn't work on the circuit experience with a stock setup, too. The controller just turns less.
I noticed it with a couple cars if it's to low it won't turn, I've tapped the handbrake a few times I use to do it in older gt games im guessing you need to go hydraulic on gt7?
Hi can you do a video on drifting and all the different tuning settings, like how to perfectly drift a corner without spinning out?
That was the thing that was frustrating me with turning. I'm still trying to master the handbrake tapping. But I have noticed it helps when I get it right. But good lawd I was getting pissed on these kinds of turns.
Bruh! Dammitt this is what I'm talking about this is why I sub to your channel you speak about what needs to be spoken about. I use a controller myself and boy do I constantly keep saying when I can't get the gold I need a wheel lol. Thanks for this tip brother now imma buy hand brake for every car I use and start using it while I attempt to get gold hahahaha thanks
No need to purchase the part! This works with any stock handbrake
@@Harmonic14 thanks
Which button do you have assigned for e brake?
I'm using X for now. I used LB on Forza though so I might try L1 sometime
i used to do this tapping of hand brake back on GT1 on the normal car race using viper gts.
The best way to deal with this is to use gyro. It completely redefines how responsive turning is with the controller. However, It has a learning curve.
I was wondering why I wasn't having quite as much of an issue with the hairpin...
I’ve been using that myself problem is when you try to use it like a wheel and try to continue rotation and it cancelling any input! But I’m upto license test s-7 all gold before using gyro steering
I mean only using gyro steering s-7 isn’t gold yet it’s silver
@@Whoshotme25Gaming Good point. The only thing is that the need to do that almost never occurs.
There was one test in a Lamborghini sweeping left that suddenly gets tighter has to be taken flat out, that one caught me out initially
I have same problem but with wheel! Especially these last hairpin deep forest. A while ago i try handbrake to but it just feels weird to do that. I can do thia turn but my rear comes very easy, cant handle this turn consistent.. mostly to slow or to fast and spinning. Thx m8
Thankfully someone mentioned about the controller steering lock issue…
Great video as always my man. Congratulations on 8K subs, here’s to 10K. I felt like I was dying in slow corners and was running a looser setup than I was comfortable with trying to compensate.
as a rally fan, this doesn't looks like big news for turning around tight corners... but in saying that, the length of time you have the handbrake on is much less than what rally driver would normally do, even on tarmac races.
I have been using the handbrake for similar purpose (with less effect cuz I'm not Top Tier) and it does feel a lot easier to turn but it really depends on the level of the car. I think handbraking like this will be less effective on slower cars as the overall speed will be slower... but since most people only drive Gr3 and Gr4, this will be very useful there!!
Rally techniques don't really apply in circuit racing. Most handbrakes aren't set up to do something like this
How about if you use the motion sense to steer instead od the joy stick?
I have yet to test it, but I've heard of people no longer experiencing this issue after switching, so definitely worth a try!
I agree, so there is a certain few license tests with a hairpin and using the handbrake made me faster on controller, just tapping it not holding the handbrake…
Hi. Very interesting video? Do you use a USB handbrake or just the button on the controller or wheel?
Just a button on controller
@@Harmonic14 Ok. Now I was looking forward to a steering wheel mod
I've been doing this by myself for like a week now hahaha I didn't know someone would done a video about it 😳
What button are you using for the handbrake?
Love this info!!
X
Does the drift handbrake in the tuning shop improve this or make it easier? It's also really stupid that this is necessary at all
I think you can adjust the handbrake sensitivity with that upgrade, but I don't think it's necessary. It works well enough without it
Thank you for the prompt reply, good to know it's that good, I was just thinking a weaker handbrake could possibly be held for a wider variety of corners
I figured this out after grinding haaard and watching record time trials where people were clearly using the handbrake (even though they were most definitely using a wheel)
I've just been using motion control steering option for my controller to steer faster in chicanes, hairpins, mid-high speed corners, etc
Of course it will make a difference, but Im on controller and use 2 TCS almost all the time. WIll this need to be accounted for when applying the HB method you descirbed here?
I'm on controller as well, but I'd highly recommend learning to drive with TCS at 0. Handbraking shouldn't change with TCS since you're off throttle while doing it, but the only way to be sure is testing it.
Will this work on the Laguna Seca circuit experience grind? That viper turns way too ugly
It will, but it'll take some practice to get right. Definitely not necessary to get gold though
I feel im learnings this right now
This is a good trick but what do you do in race that don't allow you to tune the car?
You don't have to have a setup to use the handbrake. I was doing it on the circuit experience in the video
Does it affect motion-steering or just sticks?
I haven't tried motion, but that's a good thing to test!
I've noticed the controller's max steering angle depends on the speed the car is driving. At 90km/h (60Mph) I don't get to full steering lock anymore, at 75km/h (45-50Mph) I do. Also the angle speed is a lot slower on controller because of the 'filtering' (which I believe to be nothing more than steering aids when I compare to ACC on the controller).
I've seen VQS_Haku use his handbrake too in short taps on the hairpin at Suzuka while watching his world record attempts on Sport.
Great video, thanks!
Maybe upgrading the steering angle helps the issue? Maybe you can even turn faster with it?
@@EmilsAdventure I've tried the upgraded steering angle when I started playing, but then I figured there would be even more steering angle that needs to be controlled by the same distance on my controller. But I will try again and see if it improves my turning radius at certain speeds. I would appreciate a true testing course/ground in the game though!
@@monkeybase01 we kind have a true test in the tuning settings. The g forces tell the true story.
@@EmilsAdventure no they don't. The G force calculation is inaccurate. I have a video demonstrating this
@@Harmonic14 oh cool. I got to watch that, thanks
What are the best cars in GT7 in your opinion? Top 5 or top 3 at least
Just like in previous GT games, the max steering angle allowed on analog stick is somewhat a function of grip, and car speed. Which is why you just flick the stick if you get your speed right in most corners. Very intuitive but can be restrictive in hairpins.
This trick probably bypasses that so you get more angles before the handbrake kicks in. I still would not recommend doing this.
If possible please test the motion control config, and see if the steering angle is also limited by this function. Back during GTSport days I have seen people setting record laps with it. Takes training but surprisingly neat.
I don't see why you wouldn't recommend doing this. There's nothing to lose once you get it right, and it just makes you quicker.
I'll definitely test the motion controls though
@@Harmonic14 I don't recommend it because I simply don't want to see people spinning in Sport mode when trying to do this lol. Not that it's bad.
@@mimimimeow if you practice it, you won't spin. Just like learning motion controls, it takes training.
I also use the handbrake to get the car to down shift while cornering. On cars that loose rpm when cornering just flick the break and it'll down shift or get the rpms up a bit.
Using automatic gears isn't ideal. Just use manual gears and you won't have to worry about that
I’ve done this move since gt5 it’s dicey you can fuck it up bad and spin but done right it can massively help turn in
Yup struggling with tight corners is a thing! Never could figure out why...
I also think what’s helping is the fact that applying the e brake kicks the car into neutral helping the car rotate since you unloading the power to the wheels. Just my 2 cents
That doesn't happen in any of the examples I showed here. Also, being in neutral will make it worse in a lot of cases since you don't have engine braking slowing you down.
You can steer with motion controls. I’ve been saying this is a superior form of input to the analog sticks for a while already. Heck, people play hardcore sims on PC with motion controls on the DS4 for the same reason (but games like ACC are a lot worse with controllers, GT7 is relatively good).
Its funny, I totally found out that I could recover sharp turns (aka not run off track due to missed braking point) by applying the handbrake. I never thought to use it in normal situations!
Wish there was a toggle for wheel and pad players on the daily races. I don’t mind getting smoked but the time difference between the two inputs basically creates a division in the races around who is competing with who
have you tried fixing this proble with raising the car? us wheel payers cant get full lock with the car max low. all of my drift builds and even grip race cars i have to raise the car to get the wheel to turn how i think they should.
It's not a ride height issue. I have a video covering that, but it's not that. The controller just turns less
@@Harmonic14 ok gotcha
GT Sport = Great
GT7 = Understeer
full custom lsd with the first settings as low as they go and the last setting all the way up has helped alot with the understeer to snap oversteer
@@kylelaughinghouse1893
Ty Kyle I'm gonna try that out!
I have found that using controller is much easier than wheel. For example this circuit experience on Deep Forest sector 2 it is soooooo difficult not to spin out using steering wheel - but once you try with controller you have much easier time through these corners. All assists off, only ABS on. I am thinkiing it is because you can steer with controller much faster than using a wheel. Or there is always some kind of assist in the background which we dont know about.
I think the controller filtering helps this particular car because it snaps off throttle, but once you get the hang of it on wheel, it's not too bad. It just takes longer to get used to than controller
Here and I thought I came up with something new. 'Feathering' the parking brake button helps too in hard braking turn.
Some pro drivers use the handbrake to help the car turn, mostly on fwd cars, I've seen it being used loads on hot version videos
Like and subbed
Interesting video for controller players! PSA: DONT SLAM THE FRONT OF YOUR CAR TO THE GROUND, each car has a different point in which if you lower the front end one more point then you will lose more and more turning angle b/c the tires literally can't turn. It's different for EVERY CAR, so gotta test each one.
Yep, I have a video on this. That's not what's happening here though
I have friends on wheels and times are no comparison to my controller times, when comparing leaderboards
I hurt my foot a little while ago and can't use my wheel, this has been frustrating me a lot as I heal.
Does the handbrake trick work with Gran Turismo Sport too?
Yep
Hi man, im gona try this out now to see how it feels (A+ driver on the controller :D), are you on a PS4 or 5 btw? Im PS4
I'm on PS5
Yeah it has been a problem for a long time. Some of the license tests are affected, obviously the ones with a key corner being a hairpin it can make a huge difference
I was disappointed that I couldn't use the handbrake in this week's civic race but left foot braking works beautifully to rotate the car. Same idea.
they need to get that sorted, because in the real world on that technical of a course, drivers would use the handbrake
Wow thank you..
Is this only working for hairpins-like corners?
4:32
You are a very good youtuber and deserve a sub, I like how you explained how to make sure not to over use the hand brake or under use it, also I like how you tested it on All platforms of drive terrains.
Thanks
does it matter which ebrake we use? (stock vs upgraded) asking for a frugal friend.
No upgrade necessary. I never purchase it