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FINALLY someone says something great about the production design!
Right!?
I feel like that's the one thing nobody can honestly deny is fantastic about this
I never heard anyone complain about the Score either.
@@derworfnet Oh. YES.
I know hardcore Dune fans who hate this movie but still praise the look and style . My only real disappointment was how the Sardaukar were just dudes in HAZMAT suits.
you may think you're cool, but you'll never be as cool as Patrick Stewart running into battle carrying a pug.
Or Sting in a metal speedo
@@jonmercano1138 ya , sting is the best XD
ATOMICS!!!
BATTLE PUG!
Make it rain!
This movie has been hammered over the years but I love it, I just wish Lynch had been able to realise his full vision without the Studio castrating it during the edit........
I caught this movie on TV back in the very early 90s at 13 yo. It fascinated me and became a favorite. I didn't know there was a book until after high-school. But I read it the moment I learned it existed. I never could get into the rest of the series but have LOVED his son's prequels and the original first book I read almost yearly.
So much that my husband years ago decided to buy it in hardback since I kept having to replace my paperback copy. At the time the hardback had been out of print and it took him forever to find one on sale on ebay. No problems now 😂😂😂
I still prefer this over the new Dune movie (only seen part 1 so far). Don't get me wrong, the new movie looks AMAZING but there is something sterile about it. Nothing in the new Dune evoked any kind of emotion in me and I couldn't care less about any of those characters. The whole planet could explode and I wouldn't know what to feel about that.
@@TheOldMan-75idk if it even looks that amazing, the movie was a borefest, Villaneuve is a hack and the only reason BR2049 was somewhat ok was because of Gosling.
@@TheOldMan-75I would agree with that, but dune 2 is quite different
Spicediver edited a 3 hour version of Lynch's dune it adds so much more to the film and gets rid of the dumb raining ending it can be found www.youtube.com/@GWDune if interested
Lynch's Dune is terribly underrated. Conceptually cool, with fantastic production design.
Thank god we didn't get Jodorosky's version, wild as it may have been. It would've been nonsensical and we'd never have gotten Lynch's Dune or, quite likely, Villenueve's Dune.
@@xombiekat13 Moebius, Giger, Pink Floyd, Welles, Dalì etc. working together in the same project... I dont care if would 've been nonsensical. While i enjoyed Villeneuves, i could easily live without it if i could have the chance to see what Jodorowsky was making with so many geniuses
The personal shields get mocked but the effort that went into them should be highly appreciated.
They certainly are a striking visual concept. As presented on the screen, I can't really think of anything like them that's been put forth since. 😎
If you don't know, David Lynch absolutely despises this project. The reason why the last 30 minutes are a complete mess is because the studio wanted a shorter cut of the film and there's no way you could tell the entire first book in 2 hours. This was the first and last time Lynch worked in a big budget production with studio interference. After Dune, he went on to direct some of his best and most known work like Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive and Twin Peaks.
Also because of this film David Lynch took a smaller cut for his future films so that he can have the final edit on every movie following this.
Didn't the studios also mess with Twin Peaks season 2 and 3? I remember seeing clips of him being really annoyed talking about them
@@SadBnnuy yeah, the network forced some creative decisions into season 2 and Lynch was out of the majority of the second half of that season. Forgot to mention that
@@SadBnnuy Yes for season 2, and that's why there's a big quality dropoff mid-season, but for season 3 (released 25 years after the movie FWWM) they let Lynch and Frost do pretty much whatever they wanted, and if you'd watched s3 you'd know lol that shit is wild, even for TP/Lynch standards (in a good way).
@@rafaelcruz9973 with season 2 they forced David Lynch and Mark Frost to reveal something ( don't want to specify as to spoil) and after that David Lynch left to go work on Wild at Heart (after season 2 episode 7) and Mark Frost left shortly after (I think Season 2 Episode 9). So thats why there is a huge drop in quality in season 2 afterwords. Lynch and I think Frost came back for the season 2 finale trying to save the show from being canceled.
I know it's not in the books but Paul using his "weaponized voice" as a coups de grace on Fayd and splitting the floor beneath him is one of my favorite scenes in any movie and I really missed it in the new version.
Agreed. It is perhaps the best "exclamation point" on a triumph I've ever seen in cinema. The release of the Voice in a mix of victory, survival of near death, pain, and hate is visceral. Also, Feyd's eyes going white was eerie and disturbing, like Feyd's soul was being rendered into nothing.
I read the books so long ago and this movie is so ingrained into my memory that I was actively waiting for the Weirding Modules all through Dune 2 and it drove me nuts that they didn't show up until I finally remembered they weren't in the book.
@@WereMike I don't disagree with your point. I believe the scene where Paul walking up the steps to the Baron then stabs his throat, as everyone else watches in silence and lets it happen; is a great end to a revenge plot.
@@rikerdavis2843 I agree. Upon watching Part 2 a few more times, it is a great, powerful moment in its own right. I particularly like the line of Sardaukar just eyeballing Paul and he walks past them all with the same confidence and purpose that Stilgar had upon meeting Leto.
@@WereMike I never made that connection to the previous film with Stilgar, and you are completely right. The way the stoic authority that was displayed in that scene. was so heavy
Lynch came up with the idea for the "weirding modules" because he didn't want to see "guys kung-fu fighting on sand dunes". I believe that was a direct quote.
I always wondered where that idea came from.
The weird thing is, within the context of the technology in this Universe, Sound Weapons might even work.
@@snewshyeah. The weirding way in the books was a technique to totally control all nerves and muscles to get almost supernatural fighting abilities. The new movies didn’t mention the weirding way at all.
@@patinho5589 the only mention is at the end of part 1, when Jessica defeats Stilgar he says 'Why didn't you say you were a weirding woman?'
@@ViktorRadoslavovYep and then in the next movie her best move is to beat a guy’s head in with a rock 🤔
Might be my only flaw in the film. She should have pulled some prana-bindu weirding moves
"He can weaponize his voice." You might even say it's his Weapon Of Choice.
Fat boy Slim!
"No more rhymes, I MEAN IT!"
@@cyberingcatgirls7069 Somebody wants a peanut.
Inconceivable!
you'll never learn....
Walk without rhythm/it won't attract the worm
If you walk without rhythm/ You'll never learn.
The sleeper has awakened! My mom introduced this film to me and I read the book and the 1984 score is just chef kiss.
Toto's wailing guitar is pure rock opera 🤘
The Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux edited by Spicediver is the SUPERIOR fan cut of this film. Alternate scenes and reediting making this 3 hrs long. So an additional 1 hour of story...
Enjoy - czcams.com/video/faHQA_0d9Mo/video.html
So I walk into the movie theater in 1984 and they hand me a sheet of paper with like 50 terms used in the movie. Cause otherwise you would be lost and not know what was going on.
I said something like "damn, this movie has homework?"
Same, my reaction was wow, I never had to study for a movie before!
Hahaha no way!! Dude thanks for sharing that haha. That’s wild!
How little faith they had in audiences. Me as a highschooler who had never read the books and had no sheet held up just fine.
@@maul42 eh, i'm guessing they only did this with u.s. audiences... everyone knows how notoriously bad americans are at understanding context 😜
@@JamesVSCinema The VHS tape of Dune also originally came with a little glossary sheet/booklet of names and terms.
Lynch's Dune is my go-to example of a flawed masterpiece. It's kind of a mess but it's a GLORIOUS mess, so many things about it are straight up amazing. the production design, the soundtrack, the cast is stacked AF, the practical effects for the worms where they used tiny tiny glass particles to look like sand at the scale they were working (the vfx teams had to wear respirators while working near it because... microparticles of glass aren't good for lungs.) There's a recut of this called "Spicediver" that adds some cut content back in and some of that stuff is REAL good and was clearly cut for time not because it wasn't awesome. Thank you for the gift of your bodies moisture, we accept it in the spirit it was given. :)
Trivia bit: This movie nearly killed Jürgen Prochnow (Duke Leto)... and left him permanently scarred. During the stretcher scene, the lamp exploded above him. Although still literally bound, he was able to dodge the rain of molten glass. Unfortunately, later in the 'dream sequence' with the poison tooth, the smoke/make-up effect severely burned his face. They left the sequence in, so yeah... that pain ain't acting 😞
better than what Lynch wanted which would have disfigured the actors face
For compacting so much into just one film, I think they did a great job with this movie.
Honestly, the new movies drag out scenes so unnecessarily so it can be expanded to two parts.This film cut that baggage out.
Actually for the time cut, could be a better adaptation than Dune 2
To be honest, I love the SciFi channel's 6 hour miniseries for Dune. I feel like you need at least that amount of time to understand the main plot properly. Also the book is totally worth reading.
Timothée Chalamet and Kyle MacLachlan are both great as Paul Atreides. They're beautiful and ethereal and fierce. Love both adaptations because of them.
16:46 the pug has a few scenes in the film. Fans call him the War Pug especially because of that scene 🤣
Top comment.
Not sure if you noticed, but the spice miner pilot at 14:00 minutes is David Lynch himself ^^
I actually never noticed until I was watching this video, I was in another tab listening and I literally did a double take like "Hang on, I know that VERY specific voice!"
@@Whitewingdevil IT'S THE KIND OF VOICE YOU WOULDN'T MIND YELLING AT YOU THROUGH A TELEPHONE
@@ethanlivemere1162 A CALL FROM O-RE-GOOOON!
The Dune adaptations are kinda fascinating to me, because we have three VERY different visions on how to adapt this story. All three are faithful to the source material in different ways, like Lynch's Dune really captures the pages after pages of internal monologuing and thoughts the novel loves so much. Villeneuve really captured the scale of the story, and the subtlety of how it approaches its messaging and themes.
Few fun facts:
The shields are hand-drawn animation, not CGI. CG wasn't really at the point where you could just add it to a film, they intentionally mimicked the look of CG of the day.
Any time you see a big establishing shot of people walking out of a ship or similar, there is no compositing involved, that is a SSS-tier forced perspective shot, the actors are like 400 metres away.
Lynch actually filmed about 6 hours for this story, eerily similar to the full length of Part 1 and 2, and covering pretty much the same amount of the book. Unfortunately he says the cut footage isn't really saveable, he couldn't do a Director's Cut even if he wanted to, and he hated the experience of making Dune so he really didn't want to.
Optical printers have been around for about a hundred years to combine two different shots. That's a form of compositing; it just isn't digital compositing. Where did you hear they did it all as forced perspective in one take? That doesn't make any sense; matte painting and miniature techniques with composting have been used since at least the 1920s, if not earlier.
@@dereknolin5986 I think you misunderstood, or I worded it poorly, when I say it's a forced perspective shot, I mean it's partly in miniature and close to the camera, and partly far away through a cut-out, the scene where the atreides exit their ship on Arrakis is the famous one, there's a bunch of behind the scenes photos showing how it was done.
I didn't mean to imply there was no compositing in this version of Dune, anyone watching it can see that's not the case, I was specifically talking about those big establishing shots where you see real people walk out of a ship in the distance, those weren't composited but done completely in-camera with miniatures and forced perspective.
I heard about it in one of the Corridor Crew videos about the Dune movies, I think it was the first one they made around the time Dune Part One came out. Really interesting look into how the effects were done, though they do spend a minute clowning on some of the creative choices.
My biggest complaint with the new Dune is that it doesn't provide a lot of context. They don't even tell you that the doctor couldn't be the traitor because of his conditioning. It's a huge shock when he kills the housekeeper and in the new one it has little impact.
Have you watched SpiceDiver's Fan Edit Redux?
@@spacedinosaur8733 I didn't know it existed! I'll give it a look right now, thanks for the recommendation
I highly recommend that you check out Jodorowsky's DUNE, a 2014 90 minute behind the scenes documentary on Alejandro Jodorowsky's unmade adaptation of the novel.
I can recommend the "Jodorowsky's DUNE" too. 👍
I would like to see a full Movie made by AI of the Jodorowsky's Dune vision.^^
full psychedelic, HR Giger mode.
yeah the documentary was interesting but it also makes you feel glad that his version was never realized.... his takes on the story were so bad and border on religious zeal that the movie would have been so much worse than even the abysmal ending of the lynch movie
@@stefanforrer2573I can agree in regards to the Sacred Mountain but at the same time, isn't Dune a religious zealotry between the esoteric bene gesserit and the godlike worms?
I agree to a point, but I’d still watch this adaptation. I mean, the Artwork and full Storyboards exist, if should be possible doing an Animated Series.
Nice ! I think Kyle did a fantastic job as Paul. The redux 3h free version on youtube, a fan edit, is really the best version out there btw, especially for Dune neophytes.
Thanks for the info!
I didn’t buy him being 16.
I concur. That fan edit is the best version I’ve seen apart from the metal case 25th anniversary director cut. I preferred the animated history intro. And a lot of scenes are longer and give more context.
One of my favorite movies ever. Thanks for the reaction.
No problem!!
In the book, the Baron often thinks and speaks of "plans within plans"
I will say Toto did a great job with the soundtrack on Dune '84
The Prophecy Theme still rocks hard
@@WereMike The Prophecy Theme was composed by Brian Eno.
@@riccardobruero Well...f me. How'd I go two decades thinking that?
I watched it when I was 11 with my father who had seen it in cinema the year I was born. I loved the movie so much that I wanted to read the books. They were at the school library. That was a tough read because the writing is complexe. But the movie helped getting through the first book and the book removed the shadows I had because the movie was so condensed. I finished the saga around high school.
My father actually never read the books and barely remembered the old movie when we went to see the new ones. My father liked the new ones. My mother was lost 😅.
For me, removing the deviations taken by every adaptation, this one has the "tell don't show" problem, if I can formulate it that way, because they had to speed up everything. But if you are listening and stay focus, you have a monolithic story that you can understand. And the new ones have the opposite approach, so you have an experience that can be similar to the books in a sense that it lets you a lot of space to figure it out and give little pieces after little pieces but it doesn't tell much.
The new ones seem easier to digest but after seeing Dune 2, I asked basic questions to familly and colleagues and it appeared that they didn't get much of the motivation of any of the main characters, nor the basic elements around the conflict between the houses. They remembered being amazed and having a great time but not what it was about.
Like them, I liked the modern Dunes for the experiences it offered. But I liked the old Dune for printing in my mind such a strong universe and tell me a story that haunted my dreams for weeks so I had to exorcise it by actually reading the books. Books that followed me for years. I guess that the modern versions can have that effect on people too. And I hope they have.
And just to say it (because I am a silent viewer) : I appreciate your reactions because you respect the movies from every generation and can see beyond what they look like to modern audiences to focus on what they tell and how it is shown in their own grammar.
So thank you for that.
There are so many scenes cut from the 1984 Dune - Shadout Mapes giving Jessica the Chrysknife, The fight with Jamis, The funeral of Jamis and almost all the scenes featuring his wife Harrah. , the death of Thufir, The original water of life scene and the original eending (both of which were more like the book) - the only edit that contains most of these and reworks them back into the film in a mostly sensible way is the "Spicediver" fan edit.
The new movies are so empty - they have some great action set-pieces, but they are just void of the real richness of the books (And ignore/simplify a lot of the cool minor details from the books).
I agree. The originals are always the best. The remakes have wonderful CGI eye candy, but the dialogue, acting and lack of character development fall flat.
The heart plug concept in Dune 84 is one of the most disturbing things I've seen in film.
Very similar to medical ports, like chemo plugs or insulin pumps 😷
I personally really love the sci- fy channel's early 2000's Dune miniseries. It doesn't have a crazy budget for special effects so don't expect much in that regard, but it has more of the scenes from the books that aren't in any of the movies. A young James McAvoy even plays Paul's sone Leto II in the children of dune part of the miniseries.
The 84 Dune movie, star wars and star trek movies from the 70/80's that I watched as a kid really blew my mind and made me a science fiction lover.
This movie is the reason we don’t have a Lynch directed Return of the Jedi. He had been in talks with George about doing the movie but eventually turned it down because it was the end of the trilogy and Dune was being promised as the start of its own series of films. He ended up hating the experience of big budget, studio interference in making it. He didn’t even have control over the final cut of the movie. But, because of this, he went back to his smaller films and retained total control over them . Plus, he would use many of the actors from Dune in many of his projects.
I’m sure Lynch would have been darker than the dark side 😅
I would have been terrified of Ewoks my whole life. I probably wouldn't own a cat right now
@@stevena.7022 Nub nub, indeed
As a long-time DUNE enjoyer, I'm very glad that the Villenueve movies have explained the story enough that people are re-appraising Lynch's work.
It has a large number of pacing and, frankly, comprehension issues. However Lynch makes many great visual and style choices.
Fun fact: The guy in the sand harvester at 14:10 is David Lynch himself.
Lynch’s first cut was 3 hr 45 min long. Frank Herbert was on the set while the movie was made and he loved Lynch’s 3hr 45min version. Universal Studio wanted their own Star Wars after turning George Lucas down. They cut it up to have more showings. Didn’t work out too well for Universal. Dino de Laurentis, the producer didn’t support Lucas’ push for the longer cut. Back in 1984 Cinefantastique magazine put out a double issue documenting the making of Lynch’s Dune.
This movie is SUCH a fascinating piece of filmmaking, because I find it simultaneously impressive and unsuccessful, inspiring and cringey, delightful and disappointing. The sheer ambition and creativity can't be ignored, and individual scenes/moments are masterpieces - yet the plotting and performances also miss as often as they hit. Still, it's definitely worth watching at least once!
My dad took me to the theater to see this when I was a kid and I loved it! I remember being so surprised later when I learned that the Weirding modules and sound battle technique weren't part of the book and were added to the movie. Lynch's Dune will always be special and amazing to me! Btw- David Lynch cameo at 14:00 -working on the Spice harvester calling for the carryall before the worm attacks.
Saw this version of Dune as a kid and then went on to read the books (several times). I've seen the Sci-Fi channel mini series (the most accurate to the book) and Denis' first film (haven't gotten around to the second one yet) and for all the deserved praise of the latest movies they really lack the "richness" of Lynch's version. I'd recommend watching the Sci-Fi channel version of Dune at some point, the budget restraints are very clear to the point that it feels like a theatre production at times but it's really interesting to see the choices all three versions make. There is no definitive cinematic Dune, you have to watch all three and assemble it in your head.
“Through sound and motion, you will be able to paralyze nerves, shatter bones, set fires, suffocate an enemy or burst his organs. We will kill until no Harkonnen breathes Arrakine air.”
You gotta watch Twin Peaks, it's one of my favorite shows ever
I love your enthusiasm. The way you appreciate film is infectious.
Thank you so much!
When I was a child, David Lynch gave me nightmares.
Later I saw his films. The nightmares got worse.
The really sad thing is that the original cut by Lynch was nearly 3 hours long, and the studio forced him to cut it down to under 2 hours because people at that time were not yet accustomed to longer "epic" films.
We have some of the cut scenes, and they show some iconic stuff from the novels that didn't even make it into the new movies.
Great to see a reactor that actually knows Dune.
For filmmakers, the 1984 "Dune" is significant, because it transformed David Lynch's career... he never again directed a movie without having final cut. (And the movie Lynch had been asked to direct instead of this was... "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi.")
Great casting, great costumes, great set design, and a fantastic soundtrack. The newer version had good elements, but this one was more interesting to watch.
Despite all of its flaws I still really enjoy this film. I also love that their thoughts are voiced as whispering, it makes it seem/sound so profound and meaningful, more so than regular dialogue, that’s probably one of things I like most about it. But I just really like the Dune universe itself, its not the typical “hero’s journey”.
I don't care what anyone says, the David Lynch Dune is awesome!
I stil prefer '84 Dune's soundtrack over the new joint. This soundtrack is so epic. Play it loud!
On CZcams, you can find a three-hour cut of the film, which is the closest to the "one" version of the film.
This has one of my favorite scores
Toto AND Brian Eno.
So glad you did this! There are parts of this movie I prefer compared to the recent stuff! This score is amazing too!!
Is Dune (1984) as faithful an adaptation of the book as later versions? No. Do those later versions include a scene where Patrick Stewart questions Sting's worthiness to fight Kyle MacLachlan to the death? Also, no. Each has their merits, and their limitations. I'm glad to have all the adaptations we've gotten so far.
One of the best end credits ever.
I watched the Spicediver edit of this movie. It had 40 minutes of deleted scenes and a different ending. It's more ore less what Lynch wanted to do, until studio butchered it.
Also, I kinda really like this movie. Even more than the new Denis version. I was really disappointed with Dune Part 2. This is coming from a huge fan of the novel tho, I just happen to be one of the few people who isn't a fan of the new movie. While the Lynch movie is also rushed, I loved it's out-there style, ethereal feel, and it just has so much sincere soul. And the OST is very Dune.
Agree with all of this.
“Give the harkonnen a blade”
Ive been rewatching this films since i was a kid and that heart plug scene makes my skin crawl every time
Paul double taps. Love this movie, it's very atmospheric and just has its own whole personality.
As a cinephile, you should make time for the incredible German WW2 submarine film (or TV show) Das Boot (The Boat). Jurgen Prochnow made his international reputation from that. And it is one of the most tense and claustrophobic films I've ever seen. Well worth a watch.
Each and Dune film and miniseries have their charm and are quite rewatchable.
Both miniseries are woefully underrated.
The weirdest thing about Lynch’s Dune for me is that it was set up and marketed to us kids as the new Star Wars, complete with action figures, comics, bubblegum cards, etc. Then we saw it and didn’t know what to make of it. I even read half of the book and my 11- year-old brain was totally confused. By most of it, anyway. I understood the basic stuff (The Box, The Sandworms, the Bene Gesserit).
They act like the movie was bad, it was one of my fav movies at the time.
I would love to see your reaction on the time bandits bro
I was born in the 80s and was a kid and too young when this came out (not to mention a lot of iconic 80's movies). So, my first watch was the 40th Anniversary at the theater before Part 2 came out. It was such an amazing experience!
The theater is special place - it's my sanctuary. Go se movies in the theater! Especially older ones you haven't seen that have a re-release - it's a great time.
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Speaking of seeing things in theaters, on April 3rd Regal Theaters will be having 25th anniversary screenings of The Matrix. I don't know about other areas but in mine they only have one show time. Probably more in bigger cities.
Please tell you you watched the Dune 1984 Spicediver Fan Edit? I even heard David Lynch can tolerate this edit a little bird told me! It's how he allowed it to be bumped up to 4k.
Once you see the 3+ hour spicediver fan edit, it's hard to argue the two new dunes are better than the original imho.
This was one of my favorite movies growing up. I had seen it a bunch of times and my grandma saw it on the TV one time I was watching and said "oh, it's little Kilie"... Turns out he grew up next door to my grandparents and my uncle was like best friends with him, but lost touch after Highschool. I've been trying to convince my uncle to try and reconnect with him for years now, so we can have him over for Thanksgiving :p ... No luck yet 😢
I recommend looking up "Jodorowsky's Dune." In the 1970's Alejandro Jodorowsky attempted to make a Dune movie that would have been epic, threatening to be 20 hours long! There was an incredible creative team behind it, with the likes of H.R. Giger, Chris Foss, Dan O'Bannon, and Jean Giraud working on the script, art, etc. The cast included Mick Jagger, Orson Welles, Salvador Dalí, and others. There is a documentary by Frank Pavich on the project.
I really like this movie, I especially love the 3 hour fan edit that’s on CZcams that edits in extended and deleted scenes and re-structures it more similar to the book.
please link?
@@snowflakepillow8697 czcams.com/video/faHQA_0d9Mo/video.htmlsi=LgdjzwCJ6hc6tzpp
24:16 My ONLY grievance with Villeneuve's Dune is that this line didn't make the cut. Its a direct line from the book!
Herbert cooked with gas on that line.
There's a lot of this in the DV films. Choices in terms of dialogue where the Lynch film pulls straight from the source and the DV film changes or excises it. Sometimes it's very much to the detriment of the DV versions. The worst example for me is the scene where Paul and Jessica are being taken into the desert on the Harkonnen thopter. When Jessica finally has her gag removed, DVs version just has her straight up aggressively command "Kill him!" whereas the Lynch version retains the authentic feel of the voice as a kind of unconscious suggestion/implantation of external ideas by having her, just as in the book, say "No need to fight over me".
Similarly, the scene that depicts the meeting of Paul and RM Gaius Helen Mohiam are of similar length and pace in both films, but Lynch's is much more information dense and fleshed out by comparison.
I love both versions, but feel they both suffer the same fate and give proof to the long held idea that Dune is "unfilmable", at least in the sense of a traditional movie (something more long form and slow burn like a high budget series might fare better). Both serve as great companion pieces to the book itself, where you can pull out scenes in pieces and they feel like putting the book on screen, but the work as a whole suffers from the compromises of the adaptation.
The 1984 version gets panned heavily, but almost all the problems come down to pacing and compromise (which is a problem shared in the recent films) and a couple of major diversions. Everything else... production, design, acting, music, cinematography etc is pretty stellar and makes it very much worth the watch.
On scale I feel the scale of the novels themselves is an enormous task so any attempt to recapture it within a limited runtime is worthy of applause.
Lynch wanted to make Dune in two movies and wasn’t allowed. I know he doesn’t like the final product, but THIS is the BEST version of Dune in my opinion. I love how unhinged it is! And loved the changes!! It NEVER made sense to me to ride into battle on the back of a giant sand worm only to jump off and fight hand to hand. It makes no sense. And I think the newer version visually shows why.
The Sci-fi was okay. Though I was closer to the book, 1984’s Dune owns my heart.
I liked the newer version okay. But it is visual cotton candy. There is nothing memorable about it. And I am in love with Hans Zimmer, but the new Dunes are his WEAKEST work. Noisy and forgettable. And the visuals are alright, but not the crazy bonanza people keep claiming. And I watched on IMAX.
I really like the.Victorian age steam punk look of the scenery, and the scale of everything. Good review thank you.
I'm so pleased you watched this and liked it. Youngsters like the new one and laugh at this but I'm an old man and I absolutely love the David Lynch Dune even though he had problems in the making of it and I guess it's a long way from his favourite of his own films...
.... and I've always had a massive crush on Francesca Annis from the '60s ☺
You gotta admit though, there were some production skimping cheesy elements that would have barely been acceptable for a Star Trek Original Series episode let alone a feature movie. It’s too bad because, as James pointed out, there are also amazing production elements in this movie and it would have been nice to have seen that carried all the way around.
This is my Dune. The new movies feel too sanitized.
Love your reaction , btw. You seem to get it.
I know its not regarded as the greatest of adaptions but this came out when I was 15 & I bloody LOVE this film!
There's a fan made edit on CZcams that's three hours long. It fills in some of the missing details and makes for interesting entertainment.
I've tried watching that version a few times and yes it is interesting. But it's a shame whoever made it almost ruined the experience of watching the longer scenes by plastering the same music over nearly every scene including in the most inappropriate places. I'd love to see a version of this cut with _way_ more restraint in that regard.
This is one of my favorite childhood films.
Dune 1984 on looks and feel alone is so cool, the sets were amazing. I loved it from the first time I saw it. That ending is awesome.
Dune, the book, has more influence than you realize. Before Lynch's Dune, director Alejandro Jodorowsky (best known for his surrealist films The Holy Mountain and El Topo) attempted to an adaptation (if you had to compare Jodorowsky to Lynch, Jodorowsky is even weirder). He had planned for a soundtrack by Pink Floyd, and had a production team that included comic creator Moebius, writer Dan O'Bannon and painter H.R. Giger. The film fell apart, but those who were working on the production ended up forming connections that lead to collaborations such as Alien (with O'Bannon and Giger). In fact, the storyboards for the production was so interesting, a lot of film productions recycled some of the ideas presented. There's a documentary called Jodorowsky's Dune (released in 2013) that covers the attempted film and it's failure.
Glad Dune was getting the love it deserved even if it took decades to do. The new ones are a nice touch.
I always liked this one. Especially the guild navigator scene.
As much as I love the newer versions, I grew up on this Dune (along with the point and click adventure and strategy computer games based on the movie).
So the 84 version will always be my favourite
Great way to put it that this is the walking before you learn to run. This movie has aged really well. When it came out it was kind of a disappointment but there are so many cool interesting takes in it. It actually has a lot of dialogue from the original book - probably more than in the new version. Then it also does a few wacky things that are completely its own. Thanks!
13:59 ~ The spice worker on the mic ~ is director David Lynch doing a cameo ~
I have a new appreciation for Lynch's Dune, since watching Villeneuve take.
If you liked the Harkonnens in this movie, then you'll absolutely love how Ian McNiece portrayed Baron Harkonnen in the Sci-fi miniseries.
Personally, I think that the Sci-fi channel series of Dune (along with Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) did the best job of telling the story as it was in the book. The second half of this movie and Denis Villeneuve's Dune part 2 so drastically depart from the book that it almost seems as if a different story is being told.
I think you'd truly enjoy "Enemy Mine" with Louis Gossett Jr (from Iron Eagle) & Dennis Quaid. Not the huge action packed saga but a beautiful story of overcoming differences.
Damn. And we just lost LGJ 😢
I want to see a cut of new dune with 80's dune music. At least just the final battle. Music is so good.
I love the difference between this version and the 2021 one (I'm watching Dune Part Two in the theater this weekend, haven't seen it yet). I didn't read the book but there's such a stark difference between the amount of dialog in these two movies. Like the 80s version describes everything with words while the 2021 version let's the visuals explain. It's such a vastly different creative decision I absolutely love it. Considering the age of movies we live in right now I think it's even more ambitious to omit so much dialog but it really services the movie. For example the box scene, yes it's awesome to see what's going on there or have a visualization while also having dialog explaining it. However, I think it's so much more impactful to NOT know what Paul is feeling as it makes us imagine it. And with that every person comes up with something that would be most painful for them. Especially with the "silence" of the scene you are even more focused on the pain and Paul's reaction.
I'm not saying one is better than the other, this is just my personal opinion and I think the 80s version is in no way lessened by it. Just different.
Great review!! About time somebody said something good about the old movie.
"This is already incredibly different..."
Irulan, played here by Virginia Madsen, is the in-universe biographer of Paul and every chapter begins with a quote she came across while researching the events of the book.
DV didn't even bother with the Weirding Way (think super fast martial arts) except one line in Pt1 😅, so at least Lynch did something with it, even if he didn't want to do 'martial arts in the sand'
For the most book accurate, watch the SciFi miniseries (it's actually shorter than Part 1 & 2 combined). Just visualize the DV dune whenever there is bad 2000s CGI 😅
James McAvoy is in the sequel (Children of Dune, but it also covers Messiah)
I liked the longer TV version, not the miniseries, but the longer version of the movie for TV.
@@JnEricsonx That one does add in quite a bit more 👍
@@LordVolkovYeah, its a full 3 hours long. Two nights on TV. Grew up with that version.
The mini series is a superior adaptation for sure!!
There was a TV 3-parter of Dune in 2000. Would love to see you react to that one.
You should check out Jodorowsky's Dune. A fantastic documentary about a version of Dune that went through pre production but was never shot in 1975 by Alejandro Jodorowsky. It's a very entertaining and inspiring doc. Jodorowsky had put together an amazing crew of artists and it would have been quite a film with an incredible cast. It's also a cautionary tale and pretty tragic that the film was never made. Here's a link to the trailer: czcams.com/video/m0cJNR8HEw0/video.htmlsi=61dxhB5JeZlNyIlT
If anyone wants to see the best version of Lynch's vision, seek out the Spicediver edit that puts back as much cut content as it can from all the different edits of the movie into one 3 hour long epic. It's still flawed from the studio interference. But it's so much better than anything else out there.
I read all the Dune books...great sci fi
Getting into the books now that I’ve seen Dune 2!
David Lynch did what he could with the budget, runtime and effects available at the time.
What I've always wondered if there were some studio mandates/interference because of Star Wars. Remember, 'Return of the Jedi' came out a year earlier.
If you lokk at other comments there was most definitely studio interference. This is all we got out of an over 3 hour movie according to what I've been reading.
Set & Production Design, Scale, subtle things in dialogue. Even picking up on influence of different cultures & religions (w/o the most diverse cast at the time). Amazing how good story telling & production was "back then." Things are paced so differently now. Liked tht u spoke abt interactions btwn Paul & the Duke. Casting of Duke Leto (1984 & Dune 1) both great (even tho we don't get to know the Duke much). Toto did soundtrack (well). I've seen other CZcams reactors being bored by 1984 Dune. I grew up w/1984 version & still love it for all the reasons said. I'm not a big fan of 3 pt Sci-Fi series w/William Hurt. Tho, being a bit longer, they were able to flesh out a few things a bit more or differently. I haven't seen 2nd (new) Dune movie. I liked 1st one. Tho, difficult to do a "side by side" comparison w/1984 movie. Patrick Sewart does give gravitas to the Gurney role.
This movie's addictively quotable, though watching it before having read the book was like experiencing someone else's fever dream.
Great reaction! I remember the first time I saw this and it inspired me to read the first 4 books❤
Okay, buddy! I came here after watching your reaction to the new Dune film to see and hear your thoughts on the differences and similarities between the two, and I am sold! You've got a new subbie here! :) I love hearing your thoughts from a film maker's perspective! I love how articulate you are in explaining your thoughts and feelings! A lot of reactors have no idea what they're talking about and they make me cringe. You are the exception to the rule! It's refreshing to hear the thoughts of someone who actually knows what they're talking about! As a lifetime lover of sci-fi, I'd LOVE to sit down and actually watch a new movie with you! Keep up the awesome work! :)
I still absolutely adore this film. I watched it way before the Denis villneuve films and had only read the book. It may have something to do with certain fungi I had eaten that day, but regardless, love the film
There's a "Making of Dune" book by Ed Naha which is a fascinating education on what goes on while making a movie out of an "unfilmable" book that then gets tipped into crisis by budget cuts. It's also a surprisingly funny read.
It includes trying to import a thousand condoms for a special effect through the strictly Roman Catholic Mexican customs authority. Or just clearing all the dead dogs off the Churubusco site where a lot of outdoor scenes were filmed.