Dune (1984) | Movie Reaction | First Time Watching | Let The Spice Flow!
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- Let The Spice Flow! One of the greatest Sci-Fi Epics of All-Time gets adapted by David Lynch. We both check out Dune (1984). Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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Patrick Stewart charging into battle shouting "Long live Duke Leto" while clutching a little pug and a gun is one of my favorite scenes in this movie.
Cut from the movie is his singing whilst playing a lute.
I suppose the best way to describe "Dune: part 2" is to say it was like watching "Rob Roy" on steriods and set in a fantasy or science fiction world, but still not as good a movie as the original, but only turn Luke Skywalker (Rob Roy) into Anakin Skywalker (the Mahdi of Islam).
156) Rob Roy (1995)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
"Dune: part 2" is worth seeing. Denis Villeneuve stayed true to the book enough, in the sense characters can see it all happening as good or bad or good and bad and yet you as the viewer or reader can make up your own mind too. In other words, do you see this hero as worth it or not worth it. It's up to you.
I was surprised Denis Villeneuve in "Dune: part 1" had the Fremen call Paul the Mahdi, as that was a dead give away that this whole thing is an Islamic end times vision. Frank Herbert did not come out and say it, but while I read "Dune" as a kid I knew the whole things smelled of T. E. Lawrence of Arabia joining the Muslims in World War One to be a leader figure of the desert only this was more Anti-Christ type vision of the future.
I think in that sense it stays true to what Frank Herbert said, "I am showing you the superhero syndrome and your own participation in it." - Frank Herbert, speaking about "Dune."
Now I see it from Zendaya's perspective; hence, I love the ending as completely open ended as to whether they achieve or don't achieve, but that many are for it as the dye is cast and some are disbelievers of it seeing the conflict is not over nor is any success guaranteed. In that sense it was brilliant, but it didn't crack my top 100 favorites movies list.
"A Princess of Mars" by writer Edgar Rice Burroughs inspired many things along with the movie adaptation of the book called "John Carter" in 2012 by Disney, such as: Star Wars, Avatar, Indiana Jones, Superman, Dune, and writer Ray Douglas Bradbury with "The Martian Chronicles," which I read as a child.
Here is where such things fall on my favorite movies list:
20) Star Wars: the Empire Strikes Back (1980)
21) Star Wars: a New Hope (1977)
41) Superman II (1980)
112) John Carter (2012)
121) Avatar (2009)
125) Man of Steel (2013)
148) Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (1983)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
270) Dune: part 1 (2021)
The main reason for me to watch Dune 2 is to see whether Zendaya Coleman surpasses female actresses I loved in the past, which I don't believe she has yet. And to see if the vision of the Mahdi in his ascension can be depicted well. Denis Villeneuve delivered. I suppose movie three will be can Islam rule well? I doubt it in reality, or for depiction in the next movie, and I doubt the 3rd movie would surpass the 2nd.
Zendaya is in my top 13 favorite actors based on the list below. She is certainly doing well for her career and I'm happy for her in that sense.
10) Spiderman: No Way Home (2021)
96) The Greatest Showman (2017)
164) Dune: part 2 (2024)
191) Spiderman: Far from Home (2019)
198) Spiderman: Homecoming (2017)
270) Dune: part 1 (2021)
“I loved you,
so I drew these tides of men into my hands
And wrote my will across the
Sky and stars
To earn you freedom, the seven
Pillared worthy house,
That your eyes might be
Shining for me
When we came
Death seemed my servant on the
Road, 'til we were near
And saw you waiting:
When you smiled and in sorrowful
Envy he outran me
And took you apart:
Into his quietness
Love, the way-weary,
groped to your body,
Our brief wage
Ours for the moment
Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape
And the blind
Worms grew fat upon
Your substance
Men prayed me
that I set our work,
The inviolate house,
As a memory of you
But for fit monument I shattered it,
Unfinished: and now
The little things creep out to patch
Themselves hovels
In the marred shadow
Of your gift.”
― T. E. Lawrence, "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom"
Sting and the whole David Lynch "Dune" of the 80s was insane.
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@@o0pinkdino0o yes, I'm gonna be that guy who comes in and says actually it's called a baliset, not a lute. Sorry for the nitpick, but I'm sure some other nerd was gonna come along and do it soon anyway.
Battle Pug!!
@waterbeauty Same, man. Same.
Seriously, this movie is totally under appreciated. It has points I don't like, but it's a beautiful film.
The shield effects are actually pretty cool and painstakingly drawn, all before CGI. It may look “dated” today, but was pretty incredible at the time.
I know right? People should consider the time period something was made in before judging it.
@@pvanukoff For the time they were still ass. Not the fault of those that painstakingly worked on it, the Director was Horrid to work under, the conditions of this Movies Production should have been illegal.
@@jaydenbell4975 *You can use periods (.)*
@@jaydenbell4975haha piss off.
The effects were good for the time.
You can't compare the effects with the modern day Star Wars. The movies effects have been redone a few times since the re-release in the 90's. If you want to see the original 1970's & 80's effects you have to have the old VHS or Beta Max versions.
The shot of Aliyah standing among dead Sardukar and flames holding a crysknife and gom jabbar is probably my favorite single shot in the film, chef's kiss shit
“I learned more in the first 5 seconds of explanation than I did in the whole Part 1of the new one.”
I’ll second that defense of the ‘84 version: The New Dune captures the book for those who read it, but Lynch’s Dune EXPLAINED the story for those who hadn’t.
I really think David Lynch did a great job adapting this story. It isn't perfect, he leaves some things out, and inexplicably adds material and ideas not present in the novel, but he captures the tone and the aesthetic of Arrakis and the Dune universe very well. Yes, the special effects are dated, but they were good for the time. The shields, in particular, I really like. You see the blockiness of the shield, it is a tangible presence that distorts the image of the person wearing it. I think David Lynch should also get credit for being able to condense such a vast work into one film and have it be at all comprehensible.
totally agree!
I've read that the original screenplay, which stuck to the book, would have been almost 6 hours long. Lynch compressed it to a bit over 4, but no studio would invest the money to make something as a two part movie. There is a director's cut that clocks in around three hours. And a super long version, but Lynch didn't like it and disassociated himself from that.
A lot of stuff had to be cut, but they seemed to have kept the important parts.
The STYLE of the different cultures is drastically different and extremely good.
But ornithopters sucked, surelly could do better
@@galadballcrusher8182 Orinthopters are definitely the best part of the new version.
The VFX in this movie for 1984 is great IMO. The shields were hand drawn, frame by frame.
infact it's not cgi is vfx
@@icoborg True
yeah, thats how rotoscoping works. This isn't special.
Star Wars is from 1977 😉
@@Honken55 ok, did they have shields?
This isn't a bad movie at all. Adapting a book as long and dense as _Dune_ into a three- or even four-hour movie is difficult to say the least. People gush about Villaneuve's version, but remember, he had six hours to play with. Imagine telling the same story in half the time. That was Lynch's challenge. At any rate, watching this movie as a child inspired me to read the book, which I did, and I became a lifelong "Dune" fan, so it's hard for me to hate the movie that introduced me to the franchise. I will always regard this movie very highly.
Honestly Dune could be a full show by itself, with the Dune book itself lasting an entire season.
This is why I actually prefer the studio cut of this film. The director's cut is a bit longer and doesn't have any voiceover. They leave out the diary entries. I think the studio had the right idea for with this one ,for once. It helps to fill in the gaps in the time allowed. Otherwise it is a nearly impossible task. It is kind of cool (iirc), in the directo's cut to see the actors protray their internal monologues a bit,in silence. It's been a while. I just remember just seeing that there was more going on. It just wasn't enough. I want to investigate this again,because I can't quite remember. I hope the blu-ray has both. That would be awesome, for comparison's sake.
You're calling the director of Blue Velvet and Eraserhead a "weird dude?!" I am shocked, just shocked. (P.S. React to Eraserhead, and see how long it takes you to recover!)
I've still not managed to get through all of Eraserhead; It's truly and appropriately nightmarish!
Eraserhead should be required viewing
I have only watched Eraserhead once and still remember it clearly to this day!
There is something about this movie that sticks in our minds if we saw it young. I can't imagine it will hold up well as a first time watch by an adult in 2024.
1973 me.
for the Time the Movie was better than No Movie ... but Denis Villeneuve´s Version at least for me really shows the Vision of Frank Herbert´s Universe
Especially if the well has been poisoned and mental seeds planted ahead to make you not interested to watch, but just mock & clown on is what's expected to fit in with your peers.
@maxducoudray That was very well summed up by you it is true how it is a unique experience but even when i first saw i felt it was pretty bizarre.
it does carve out a certain spot in my childhood mind , and yes agreed Adults watching this will no doubt have this baffled look on their face 😳
CHEERS .
The pimple popper guy stuck with me 😂
My introduction to Dune was when I was 13, and watched it on VHS at a friend’s house. “I shall bend like a reed in the wind” was a standout quote.
The Sleeper has Awakened
A sleeper must awaken! Hearing a characters inner thoughts as a whisper just makes it seem so profound. I wish more films did this, it just makes the dialogue and scene feel more impactful and have more meaning. It’s one of my favorite things about this movie
Really good one liners ín this.
Nothing ín the New one.
Space must flow.
Long live the fighters!
I saw this when I was 8 years old. Loved it then and love it now. I didn't read the books until my 20's and noticed the differences from the movie. I didn't mind that much. They were competing with a ton of Sci-Fi movies coming out around that time and could see why they changed the wielding way to sonic guns. Fight choreography would be very hard on sand and probably expensive in the 80's. I've seen the new Dune also. I thought it was very good and well made. Will probably pay to see the 2nd one which is saying something as I don't go the theatre often.
-"What's it taste like?"
-"It's probably pretty spicy."
Pure deadpan. I thank you for the spontaneous belly-laugh.
The voice/lady in the opening is the Emperor's daughter (princess) who wore the golden dress when the navigator arrived.
Played by Virginia Madsen
She really likes immortals.
Originally filmed all as one take, her dialogue was much longer, and when the decision was made to cut the prologue down , Instead of a choppy visual where cuts were made, they decided to fade out to space , where the chop in the audio was made, then fade back in with the visual with the audio in progress. Fine, whatever, but the fade-in where she says, "Oh. I forgot to tell you." is awkward bordering on the campy. Naah, it's campy AF. It kind of reminds me of the Flintstone episodes where the little green spaceman the Great Gazoo would fade in and out , sometimes wanting to turn in for the night, then Gazoo (Harvey Korman voiced) would fade back in, with some particular smartass remark, "Oh, what is it NOW?"
"So the Emperor is not really in charge"
The Guild are what allow the folding of space. To make space travel instantaneous in the Dune universe. With out them there is no traveling to other worlds. And the Guild require the spice to be able to achieve their abilities. So yeah, the Emperor is at the mercy of the Guild. Since it would affect all across the known universe.
yup, like the petrodollar, and other intricate ruling elite symbiotic relationships.
Paul's sister is Alicia Witt, who is Wendy Crowe in Justified.
And she's also the girl that plays the piano on that one episode of Twin Peaks.
The moment when Mrs. Movies realized that they were effectively watching parts 1 AND 2 had me laughing so hard. Great job!
The Spice is a worm byproduct. But it's not *just* worm poop. It's a result of a complex process. But, basically, a combination of little worms, their waste, some water, and another factor or two, results in a mass that creates a bubble of gas and material under the sand. When the pressure gets great enough, it erupts, trading places with the surface. This mass of stuff quickly dries and the result is the spice.
I guess I need to re-read the book, because I was always under the impression that the Spice is like earths Oil, in that it's the result of long dead worms, decaying, and converting to its pure form before erupting to the surface and drying into a powder. Since the worms are long living, and sentient beings, they remember their own ancestors, and see Spice harvesting as a major offense akin to desecrating the graves of their ancestors, which is why the worms of Arakis are so defensive of the spice fields... IDK, Like I said, I guess I'd have to re-read it again, I haven't read it since 1990.
@@SlytheyToveA Spice Blow scatters baby worms after they reach a certain growth stage. Spice is the residue left over.
@@klaptongroovemaster So then... why do the worms defend the spice fields so... aggressively? Is it possible that the young worms cannot be born in normal sand, and instead must be born within the sand left behind in the remnants of their ancestors?
I mean I get it that the spice fields could also be the worms nurseries, but according to your explanation, the spice blow is only the aftermath of them being born, just like the placenta or discharge from a womans vagina when they give birth... and that's really just a bi-product of natures reproductive cycle, not something worth keeping around or defending to the death over.
Just saying... I don't see any humans defending the hospital their kid was born in to the death, much less the first mess they made after being born. The worms must have a much deeper meaning behind why they don't want little annoying creatures like the Harkonnens' and Atreides' harvesting the spice. Especially considering that the worms are basically space gods and (Spoiler alert) Paul himself eventually becomes one.
IDK... guess I gotta read the books again.
Finkle was also in another little known film, possibly appropriate to kids age 7+, BABY. It's about two archeologists who are on an expedition to Arfica to find evidence of a living dinosaur. Anyways, Finkle plays on of those scientists.
Precisely
That was the Director David Lynch acting 18:27 on the Harvester getting Spice
Eighties SW originally had no CG effects. What you remember is their Special Editions made pre- Phantom Menace.
We’ve both seen Star Wars before special editions and Tron. The effects in those are head and shoulders better. The worms in this are pretty good. The shields are funny looking.
@@YouMeTheMovies Star Wars George Lucas had the benefit of developing his own specific Industrial Lights and Magic company specifically for effects.
@@KimEllis-kt8ei Yup. He also made Star Wars for 11 Million while Dune 84 had a 45 million budget. Some things didn't land, the shield and the blue eyes. There are films that came out earlier with better special effects made for cheaper. All three Star Wars, Tron, & Ghostbusters to name a few off the top of my head. We were impressed by the Eye effects in Salem's Lot which came out in 1979. They could have used a similar effect for that.
@YouMeTheMovies you can't compare everything to star wars different studio for one different producer different effect artists also a big thing inflation
@@KimEllis-kt8ei True and I don't think he was loaning tech out to anyone but Steven Spielberg at the time. His company invented THX for Return of the Jedi (the movie Lynch turned down to do this one) so it would sound right.
Love this version
still the best intro of all time
The intro alone better Than anything Floo Poo van dish out
Laughs in Lord of the Rings. All three of them, lol.
For a 12 year old...
Love this movie, saw it a few times in theaters when it was released.The original David Lynch version was 3 ½ hours and the studio cut it down to this. Lynch was so disturbed he asked to have his name removed from the film but they wouldn't. After that he's never made a film without final cut. Sadly all that footage was lost or destroyed so never a chance for a director's cut. I can only imagine how awesome it would be.
There's the Alan Smithee version out there...all the cut footage is easy to find.
@@RYUQ2000 I've seen an extended version, so someone (I assumed Lynch) put it together. There's also a very long version that they tried to recreate a version of the original screenplay. But I know he didn't like that one.
@@RYUQ2000I own that on DVD. I grew up with the longer version.
"don't stand so close to me". Don't make us call the Police.
and how are you going to do that? message in a bottle?
I lost it at that line🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll be watching you
Frank Herbert's Dune (2000) is well worth a look! Three 90 minute episodes give a lot more scope to flesh out the story.
It was shot in Prague at the huge sound stages there. The cast is made up of top-rate actors from all over the world, including a lot of really superb eastern European actors. The sets are really amazing - huge and detailed, and the costumes are clearly inspired by the original book covers.
For me, this version comes the closest to the feel of the book.
Yeah, it's the best adaptation of the book by far. With a larger budget it would have been perfect, as proven by its sequel.
It did better with the story but with no budget lacked the grand feel of 84. The newest version is just trash lacking in following the book and cultures and the feel
The thing I didn't like was the teenage angst BS.
Some of the clothes are awful, and a couple of the actors are a bit stiff (Feyd, Ganima). Other than that, I have no complaints about the mini-series. I liked both Jessicas. I enjoyed Ian McNiece's Baron, especially ending his scenes with Shakespearean rhyming couplets. The music is great too.
Don't forget to watch children of dune 2003 adapts second novel Dune Messiah and third novel Children of Dune it's got young James McAvoy
Joke all you want.. Those Shields were a lot of work to accomplish. There is a Corridor Crew episode that talks about it.
I think her amusement at the shields was pretty uncalled for. How does SHE know what shields would look like?
@@mikelundquist4596 That's what I think too, we don't have shields and if they were created and looked that way I'd be happy to have them square or whatever shape. And I bet you start battling some laugher with no shields and laying the whoop on them, they'd quickly wish they had some of those square shields too.
@@KimEllis-kt8ei thank you!
@@mikelundquist4596
Ya, I love the look of the shields.
For the time they looked pretty cool IMO
Rarely have I seen Mrs. Movies so unconnected to what she's watching. This adaptation is excellent given that it was done in the 80's. If I were to make a critique of the new films it would be that we have none of the internal monologues of the characters. I'm not a big fan of Lynch, but this film is a masterpiece in it's own way. Every clip you put out that I watch always, systematically, gets a thumbs up .. not this time - no way!
Maybe she just in bad mood. Definitely it was hard to see this reaction.
To be fair to her, she seemed to get more into it later on.
I laugh at critics who trash this, but nothing has come close to capturing the atmosphere of the story.
I still love the soundtrack for this movie.
I'm still waiting for someone to add a clip from Back to the Future when a reactor sees Patrick Stewart, "Jesus, didn't that guy ever have hair"
The big secret of the Fremen in book 1 was that they could ride the worms. Book 1 also ends without Paul bringing rain to Dune. Paul's son takes over in later books and lives 10000 years and morphs into a worm . . . crazy stuff.
6:56 Glowing auras that closely conformed to and moved with the body were actually pretty cliche in horror and fantasy movies well before 1984, so these odd looking, squared off, blurry, translucent-rather-than-perfectly-clear shields were the result of a deliberate creative choice, not a limitation of the special effects technology of the time.
The most rational comment about shields and their criticism I have seen.
Patrick Stewart, Miguel Ferrer, Brad Douriff, Sian Phillips etc. this cast is as good as the new one. Fight me.
Personally, the cast from 84 was better than the new version. And they were more memorable.
I like how the villains lair looks like a H.R. Giger version of The Emerald City from The Wizard of Oz lol
Love this movie!! Just rewatched in the theater for the 40th anniversary!
Alot of what is missing is what happens between Paul and Chani, also they have children.
Despite the Mrs.'s aversion to the traditionally created effects of this 1984 film, I prefer them 1000x over most of today's soulless CGI effects and will take them every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
yeah esp. the Dune remakes of 2021-2024. Ugh those remakes put me to sleep!!
@@SaRENRampaigereh, the atmosphere in general is pretty good in the new one....BUT the shield effects and the consistency in how they work are even worse than jason momoa's "acting" and the fight choreography is so much flashy nonsense that it really breaks any immersion
@@stefanforrer2573lets not forget eye gougingly photo negative Geidi Prime and Chani running away.
Fun fact, the guy killed at 14:28 is a famous telenovela actor here in Mexico. Several extras in the movie were telenovela actors given that the whole thing was filmed in Mexico.
Since no one knows what a shield would actually look like there is nothing wrong with the way they chose to do it in this movie. LOL
hella underrated sci fie classic
Loved the Einhorn comment! I was hoping you would say, "your gun is digging into my hip" when Chani is laying of top of Paul.
She was also ín Blade runner
One thing that Lynch left out of this was the reveal that the Baron was Jessica's father and Paul was actually the Baron's Grandson. He was the result of numerous House Bloodlines being combined.
Alia calls the Baron 'grandfather' in one of the versions
@LordVolkov I think it was the miniseries on the sci-fi channel.
@@LordVolkovThe 2000 Scifi Channel mini, which covered pretty much everything from the book
@@playfulpanthress I think it was the sequel series, Children of Dune.
This was my first Dune. There was another Dune movie around 2001.
You mean a TV series on the sci-fi channel?!
Miniseries on Syfy. ( I think it was still Sci-Fi at the time, though.)
@@TheSpanishInquisition87 they had 2 tv series continuing the story from the books!
As a matter of fact it was. There was also Children of Dune mii series years later.
*Not chastising anyone, but watching science fiction requires some suspension of disbelief.* Once you try it you'll enjoy stuff more. It's highly probable that the special effects for the new DUNE didn't get what Frank Herbert had imagined when he wrote the books.
This version had some very good actors in it. Patrick Stewart, Kyle MacLaughlin, etc. The one that surprised me was Everett McGill, Stilgar, who also played in Under Siege 2 and was the dick Major in Heartbreak Ridge. Still a big fan of this one.
It was supposed to be a lot longer but studio execs thought no one would sit through such a long movie. Hence the use of a lot of voiceovers to explain things. This is also the era where studio execs thought that the audience was pretty dumb (or at least their test audiences proved to be), and so they often add expositionary voiceovers (Dark City) or that stuff got reshot to give it a happier ending (Bladerunner).
They were supposed to use the proper Weirding Way from the books but Kyle (Paul) couldn't manage the simulated martial arts moves on the sandy surfaces. So they changed it (to a lot of complaints from the fans of the book). The ornithopters was another thing that never worked properly, and so was replaced with generic "flyers." But they did try. Other things like teh floating lights, for example, did get in the movie.
It was an ambitious project for the time. especially with its great reliance on mechanical effects. [The previously planned film by Jodorowsky would have been very interesting, but pretty much unfilmable at the time.]
I loved the books and I love this movie. Thank you for doing this one!
I always loved this one! Made me read the books. Still loving the music.
Never got the big criticism. Maybe I liked David Lynch other works too. Which was also full of visions.
Loved the cast too.
Never get tired to watch this movie, way more rewatchable than the Dune part1 . Thoug, on my list, SyFy's mini-series takes first place of all Dune adaptions... those were amazinly made, realy liked the way it was filmed, so theater like 👍
I remember turning on the TV in the middle. Scene of characters riding the worms. Except the movements of the people didn't match the movement of the worm at all, so they floated around on its back, making the double exposure very obvious. I think it's clear that they didn't have the budget for doing what they wanted to do. I never felt like seeking it out so I could watch the whole thing after that.
Massive Dune fan here. I've read all the books a dozen times each, I've seen both parts of the recent remake. But nothing comes as beautifully close to the Feel and Look of Dune as in the books. Then this 1984 version! I LOVE this movie!!! It's a masterpiece in conveying the FEEL of the Dune Universe!
You look at SFX with modern eyes, forgetting, or not knowing, what SFX looked like Before Star Wars
This was 7 years after Star Wars...
@@YouMeTheMovies yes I know, but Lucas was only one man: industrial light and magic one company. My point is that Dune is much better in terms of special effects compared to what pre 1977 was like.
There are a lot of folks who think Episode 4-6 are the enhanced versions they see now and not the original ones we saw in theaters. 😂
It's funny that the only reference she has to Sean Young is playing Einhorn instead of Rachel from Blade Runner. 😂
These aren't aliens, they're our descendants.
There is an unofficial Dune cut on CZcams which uses parts from the cutting room floor and puts the film into chapters. It is the definitive cut.
You guys should do more David Lynch. No one else is reacting to his stuff. Wild at Heart will blow your mind !!
There's the Redux Spice Diver Fan Edit, which may be the one you are referring to.
@@KimEllis-kt8ei Love that fan edit. It really makes it a much better film than the theatrical version.
@@KimEllis-kt8ei Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux edited by Spicediver / Multiple Subs / 4K Upscaling by GW
Love the books and love this movie, its not perfect (lol) but its enjoyable with its great design (mostly) the soundtrack and the actors. The new ones are incredibly dull, it has this grey filter that i absolutely hate that makes everything feel lifeless, the soundtrack is inferior, the actors are not great (except the Baron) and everything looks incredibly sterile and boring. This movie might have deviated from the book, but the new ones also do that (specially the second one). Also, loved how Lynch kept the internal monologue from the book on this movie, which, imo, is a defining characteristic of the book.
Cool Psygnosis thumbnail.
Main changes: the Weirding Way is a Bene Gesserit technique to have total control over their muscles and nervous system..allowing them to move and fight in almost superhuman speed and ability. They didn’t know how to put this plot point to screen… they didn’t want to make a martial arts movie..
in the book they train the entire fremem with this ..I think.. so they’d be unstoppable., or perhaps that’s just the movie.. hmm… but anyway.. my main point is that they turned into the sonic powered guns for the film.
In the edit a few nice scenes were left on the cutting room floor but can be found on CZcams:,
- Knife fight with Jamis
- Jamis’ water being reclaimed and all his water possessions being given to Paul , as well as wife and kids becoming Paul’s responsibility.. not exactly made explicit but they are in the scene (they are the two kids being trained)
- Water of life extracted from a baby worm (very dramatic actually with the music).
- Thufir Hawat’s death
There's another cut of this movie called the Alan Smithee version. It has a better narrator and prologue, so you can understand even more of it. And it cuts a lot of the grossness from the Baron's scenes. That version is hard to find, though. It's not on streaming anywhere, and you have to be careful about ordering it online.
:::points to the Steelbook he's had near 20 years now::::
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance. 🖖🏻
Best Dune book is part 4, God Emperor of Dune. If they ever make a movie of that it's going to blow everyone's minds.
George Lucas asked David Lynch to direct the third Star Wars movie but he made Dune instead. Imagine how weird and wonderful Revenge of the Jedi could have been had Lynch taken it on.
"You're gonna need a bigger sand box."
In the last duel, notice that the Emperor gave him his blade which made Sting/Feyd his champion making the stakes of the fight the empire itself, which is why Paul became emperor and the old emperor was sent into exile.
Fingers crossed that she watched the Directors Cut.
But regardless, great F'n movie.
Have you seen this version?
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Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux edited by Spicediver / Subs: EN/ES/PTBR/RUS / 4K Upscaling by GW
@@simonfrederiksen104 No. Not yet but I defintely will. Just recently learned about it.
@@simonfrederiksen104 I saw it. The pacing is MUCH more consistent and it simply flows better.
My head says Villeneuve, but my heart says Lynch.
My Dad was a big fan of the books, and he let me watch the Lynch version on VHS rental in the 80s when I was roundabout 10 years old or so, I can't remember exactly. I was too young for it really, it freaked me out. He did have the sense to make me cover my eyes during "the heartplug scene", but that shot of Alia in-utero with Toto's score over the top blew my tiny mind.
I can easily understand why the melodramatic excesses of some of the acting and dialogue (what TV Tropes would call "narm") make modern audiences cringe, but to my pre-teen mind it was bold, declarative, epic and romantic film-making soaked in a sinister, disorienting surrealism that mesmerized me.
There were clearly untapped depths of plot, characterisation and tone that I was missing, which were going over my head. Something about Lynch's movie hooked my psyche. My Dad eventually got annoyed because every time we went to rent a movie for Friday evening I'd always pick Dune. Maybe to get it out of my system, he gave me his copy of the first book to read when I was 12 or so. I actually finished it, but it went way over my head.
Decades and decades later I've read Frank Herbert's six Dune novels many, many times each. Every time I read them, Paul is MacLachlan in my mind's eye . . . Gaius Helen Mohiam is Sian Phillips, Yueh is Dean Stockwell . . .
Villeneuve's version is, so far - I've not yet seen Part Two - certainly a very good film, but - and this is an entirely subjective, highly personal viewpoint - it captures almost nothing of the spirit, the mood of the novels. It's somewhat soulless and clinical compared to Lynch's version, which somehow managed to convey the spiritual, mystical dread at the heart of Dune. In a very real sense, Dune is much more fantasy than it is SF, and Lynch's film gets that, whereas Villeneuve's does not. Visually, Lean's Lawrence of Arabia IN SPACE! is a smart move, but the tone should've been more like Jackson's Lord of the Rings.
Very astute pointing out "the Star Trek guy," Patrick Stewart, but you missed "the Quantum Leap guy," Dean Stockwell, standing right next to him!
You mean Battlestar Galactica guy!
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The set and costume design were fantastic and showed sci-fi like it had never been seen before, I will always love the movie for that.
I've never been one of the people who hated this movie, when it comes to adaptations of challenging material I tend to just be interested in a new perspective on something and considering how much they cover in one film, I really dont feel like Lynch should be so ashamed of this movie.
what i like about the 80s is that, they dont need to cast Ralph Macchio, Pat Morita, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood, Robin Williams, Nicolas Cage, Anthony Hopkins, Mel Gibson, Harrison Ford in their DUNE movie
You can't blame David Lynch for this film. It was impossible to cram such a massive book in a two hour movie. He was definitely out of his element with the material. Fun fact he was in the running for the director job for Return of the Jedi.
I think he also is ticked because he didn't get final edit on the film, as well as originally thinking he had way more time to make it and would be allowed a much longer film. So if those things are true, then it's all the more reason to not blame him and for his disassociating himself from this work.
I personally really like it, though I watch it as it's own thing, not how close does it match the book mindset. As well as having some imagination, I don't get thrown out by effects. It makes it easy to enjoy movies from 50 to 100 years ago, using any manner of props, stop motion and other methods to tell the story, without getting all focused on I can tell how they did that or that it's not real or comparing it to recent CGI or whatever. A lot of movies never would have even been made at all, if everything had to be perfect all the time.
11:18 The Reverend Mother is Jessica’s mother and Paul’s grandmother. But because the RM is hardcore Bene Gesserit they don’t let little things like love get in the way of the sisterhood’s plans.
It is because Leto is such a noble, caring and loving man, Jessica fell in love with him. Because of that love she defied her mandate to only have daughters. She essentially birthed the Kwitzach Haderach a generation too early. Paul is the hero/villain of the story. But it all began with Jessica being lead by her heart.
The ummmmmmmm part killed me. I was laughing for like 5 minutes
saw this in the theater 2x a couple weeks ago for the 40th anniversary. Villeneuve's Dune is great but strikes me as a somewhat mechanical, sterile attempt at simply copying Herbert's text, where Lynch dives deep into the psychedelia of Dune and leaves me with haunting images.
Dang, wish I knew it was coming out.... would have gone to see it.
@@flashgordon6238Dragged a friend to see it for a showing in 2019. Saw it again in the theater the other week.
"Break!"
Haven't seen the movie for many years, but mates and i always loved and laughed at that bit.
We still use it to this day just to be silly in the right context. :)
edit: Forgive me for this very male edited section :P
Mmmm Virginia Madsen Schwing!
The ... *SPICEDIVER fan edit* (freely available on YT in 4k) ... makes more sense than ... a) the movie and b) the 3 hour TV cut (which David Lynch did not acknowledge, so it was directed by "Alan Smithee").
I must drink beer.
Beer is the mind killer.
Beer is the little death that brings total intoxication.
I must drink my beer
and let it pass over me and through me
and when it has gone only my hangover will remain.
Viserys Targaryen : "Brave men didn't kill worms. The brave men rode them."(95% quote)
Those personal block shields were hand drawn and put over the film. Not computerized. A very difficult process and an effect not seen before with the transparency.
Laser beams are not as hard to make than to cover two humans and follow them through a fight scene. I think for 1984 it was pretty good
Frank Herbert’s Dune from 2000 is a three part miniseries that goes much more into detail about spice production and it’s true source (not simply worm poop) as well as Fremen culture. It’s still not without its issues, but it’s my personal favourite version and definitely worth a watch for any fan of Dune.
Thought you might catch the line "Walk without rhythm and you won't attract the worm" as a line from Weapon of Choice by Fatboy Slim (and the wonderful moves of Christopher Walken).
"Africa" playing at the moment it did was fucking comedy gold
First, they should have watched the Spicediver Edition, included on the recent Arrow disc release and on CZcams. Runs 3 hours and is the best version of the movie easily.
As for fx, yes millennials prefer fx by computer instead of ingenious talented artists.
Visually, 1984 Dune is more memorable than the drab new version. Like that shot of ships entering the transport ship through what is an open ornate doorway. Nothing like that in the new film. Which is also MUCH tamer...its Dune Lite. Dont look for the Guild Navigators in Part 2 either.) BTW, that was Lynch as the harvester driver talking to Duke Leto on worm approach.
Sure, 84 Dune is a flawed film. ( Too many " thought balloons" for example, removing many of them would be an improvement.) But it remains emminently rewatchable if its the 3 hr cut.
the guild are the ones that are able to navigate the jumps between planets. they control the emperor because they control all travel, and they need the spice in order to travel.
37:10 They control the worm by pulling back it's armor plating. With it's delicate parts exposed, it rotates to keep that part high above the sand to avoid getting sand inside. That's how they ride, because when they pull up on the armor plate it lifts them to the top and refuses to dive under the sand.
I like how "Blue Velvet," maybe Lynch's most "normal" movie, still informs Mrs. Movies that David Lynch is "a weird dude."
I have always loved this film. Sure, it's not the best Sci-Fi movie but it holds a special place by how different it was. Fantastic.
Every frame of film footage for their shields had to be hand painted individually comped, and quadruple exposed...a hugely laborious process.
I was 6 when this film came out. I still think the Toto main theme is amazing. Not perfect, but holds a special place in my childhood
This movie is so memorable, I didn't find the new version to be so nor the somewhat decent series that was also made. I thought the blue eye glow was very well represented from the book and the box scene is so well done imo.
3:03 -- RE: The "Princess Irulan" opening of 1984 "Dune" v. a Star Wars Crawl opening; A: Fun Fact! Frank Herbert, the author of the "Dune" series of novels, frequently opens the chapters of each of the novels by using a short excerpt of text from an in-universe "canon" of selected texts that have been either written about the characters of the scene (often hundreds even thousands of years after the fact) *or* that have been written by the characters themselves. Princess Irulan is one of the most often quoted supporting cast members of the first 3 novels, so David Lynch is accomplishing at least 2 goals at once here: he's making it easier for newcomers to the franchise to understand what is happening (and thus, to suspend their disbelief) *and* he's making a sideways reference to the fact that we're not hearing Irulan's "thoughts" as if the narration is simply what she's thinking or telepathically projecting into us. No, this is her considered position, these are chosen words being recorded for a journal or formal record for historical purpose and posterity's sake, and there is no reason why the Audience must be made to read them along with a citation (to a fictitious written source no-one has ever heard of) to explain who it was that wrote them.
With all that being said, it becomes quickly obvious that for most of the rest of the film, voiceovers are thoughts being spoken for the benefit of the Audience, ie. we're now being Told not Shown, so that's perhaps a lot less conducive to the continued suspension of disbelief than Irulan's info-dump at the beginning. Lynch did OK, but he was ham-fisted and perhaps should have trusted in the skills of his cast more.
Don't worry about not knowing Sting. Patrick Stewart didn't either. And when they met, Patrick asked Sting what he did. Sting said he was in the Police. Patrick asked if he was a detective.
I know who Sting is. I was quoting Hansel from Zoolander...
I wish after she called Lynch a "weird dude" that there was a flash splice to the man himself saying "GET REAL" from his 'movies on your phone' clip
Everyone need to watch the Spicediver /Alternative Edition Redux version of Dune 1984. This is the most complete version of the movie.
At the time those shields looked kinda cool. The whole thing was done by hand, rotoscoping frame by frame.
I recommend the Dune 📺 TV mini-series from 2000 it's the most excisable version. For some who hasn't read the books.
Yes! Denis Villeneuve's first movie is runs twice as long and covers less of the story then the first episode of the show.
14:27 It's a heart plug. Pulling it out basically had his heart gushing like a sieve. They don't exist in the book, but it's a very quick way to show how evil the Baron and other Harkonnens are. In the book, the Harkonnens run brutal fighting pits and keep people enslaved. Taking it even further, the Baron enjoys watching people die from the fights or being tortured, so the plug allows you to see all that in a very condensed form.
The "Dune 1984 Alternative Edition Redux" edited by Spicediver version is much, MUCH better, and there are several uploads of it on CZcams. Anyone who wants to see the best, most coherent and cohesive c=version if David Lynch's Dune should look it up and watch it.
...except thats the version Lynch disowned & removed his name from. Its credited to "Alan Smithee"
Say what you want about the 1984 Dune, that soundtrack is a timeless thing of beauty.
There a few bits that were cut, that would have made to story make more sense. Example The knife duel that Paul must fight when the encounter the Fremen, results in Paul being responsible for his family hence the reason for the two kids being there when training the warriors. Cuts all over for time which makes the film a bit jerky. Also the alternative ending which makes more sense then oh he makes it rain.