Sage Core Trout Rods Comparison // R8, SONIC, TROUT LL, IGNITER, DART, & FOUNDATION

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024

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  • @Mrrich77
    @Mrrich77 Před 2 lety +2

    Love to see the videos coming in HDR! Keep it up! Hoping to pop out to reds fly shop this fall. Cheers from NY!

  • @paharding
    @paharding Před 10 měsíci

    Joe, another awesome review. I enjoy and appreciate your balanced, objective reviews and fly fishing videos. You have great insights into fly fishing techniques and strategies. I have purchased 4 top line Sage fly rods from Red’s. I had one rod issue with a factory defect. You guys took care of it instantly and I greatly appreciated the outstanding after sales support.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 10 měsíci

      Really appreciate it! This is why we have such loyal customers, and we are so grateful for your support. Thank you for sharing, and of course the business.

  • @jephme3923
    @jephme3923 Před 2 lety +2

    I have the R8 in 9'6wt with a fighting butt and it has dual locking rings

  • @walkdawg216
    @walkdawg216 Před 2 lety +3

    Definitely do one for the specialty rods, this was great

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      Ok you bet I will, thanks for the support.

  • @cachi-7878
    @cachi-7878 Před 2 lety

    The igniter and a big nasty pairs well. That’s how I fell in love with this rod when casting into a real nasty wind at Red’s during a casting competition/new gear show.

  • @warrennesteruk89
    @warrennesteruk89 Před 2 lety +2

    Sorry. The Sage XP has to be the all time favorite. It’s spectacular. This rod and my Sage X is all this flyman needs. I tried the R8 last week. NG . No way will this rod be as good. Dumb move to stop producing the X. I got all I need and everything I ever wanted.

  • @sommerpetter
    @sommerpetter Před rokem +1

    Unlike you I really like the cordura tube, as it is impossible to jam. I had an alu-tube that was impossible to open after bending the cap. Had to use a file and saw the thing in two! So cordura is a much better solution in my opinion. +1 for the Sage Foundation. A truly great rod that too many «good» flyfishers walk past because of the low price and cordura tube. Great video btw!

  • @robbrown3
    @robbrown3 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video, loved the line recs. Would love to see the same video for the predator/saltwater rods.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      For sure. Thanks for watching and the suggestion!

  • @phillipm3169
    @phillipm3169 Před 2 lety +4

    Please do more of these model comparison videos from other brands. Thanks.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      Will do. Thanks for the feedback.

    • @corporalpunish6089
      @corporalpunish6089 Před 2 lety

      @@redsflyshop Agree with Phillip. Lots of company to company comparos. This is first company comparo I've seen

  • @jacekmyslinski9629
    @jacekmyslinski9629 Před rokem +1

    Nicely presented ,well explained , thank you.

  • @Dadbruh
    @Dadbruh Před 2 lety

    Love your videos. I learn a ton and they definitely help me make more informed choices. My last two rod/reel purchases were from your shop and I can’t say enough good things about the experience. Nice work guys!

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      Thanks James, we really appreciate that!

  • @mattpardy2826
    @mattpardy2826 Před 2 lety

    A few years ago I bought an old TCX for a price I just couldn't turn down. Thing is a cannon! I love casting sage rods, they all have a great feel no matter the action in my experience.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      The TCX launches. Great rod for demanding longer casting scenarios.

  • @hunterbemboom318
    @hunterbemboom318 Před 2 lety

    Great video man, you do such an awesome job explaining things, true master of your craft

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      Thanks, I love what I do here at Red's. Really appreciate the friendly support.

  • @MrAddni
    @MrAddni Před rokem

    “If I lived out west”…priceless :)

  • @adithyasushil3706
    @adithyasushil3706 Před 2 lety

    Love to see your videos. I hope soon you reach 1M

  • @jlokanis
    @jlokanis Před 2 lety +1

    Still love my XP 486-4 and X 590-4. If I lost one I would probably replace it with an R8.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      The R8 has a wide stance, you would like it. I still love the XP but side by side… it’s astounding how far rods have come.

  • @dong8307
    @dong8307 Před 2 lety

    Great review and very helpful. 👍

  • @MrBluoct
    @MrBluoct Před 2 lety

    Maybe:
    Add a review related to smaller, narrow trees covered NE streams /And suggested 3-4wt rods/ reels

  • @Belbivdevoe
    @Belbivdevoe Před rokem

    Joe, you got a call it what it is....a Creek fisherman is a Dink fisherman

  • @tranger4579
    @tranger4579 Před 17 dny

    Been looking at your online site. I’m new to fly fishing and live in south Texas in the gulf coast. Looking for a good quality entry level rig for saltwater trout and red/black drum. I was told to stay in the 7/8 weight to stay within a 30 feet range on the flats.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 16 dny +1

      Great question and hello! This setup is turn key, and has a super quality line and perfect for a variety of fly sizes and situations. It's really well put together. redsflyfishing.com/products/redington-field-kit-complete-tropical-saltwater-fly-rod-and-reel-setup

  • @rangerwhite5165
    @rangerwhite5165 Před 2 lety

    Great reviews. I can't believe we've broken the 1000 dollar price range, for single handed rods. I have the 5 weight Sage X and it's fantastic. Can do anything. The R8 would need to be something to top it.

    • @riverwalker2173
      @riverwalker2173 Před rokem

      I'm grateful I got the Sonic before it went up $125. I've been pleased with it's performance on medium - large rivers using mid-large dries & nymphs. Love that Juniper blank color. 500ish bucks is my limit on a fly stick. I use the law of diminishing returns over that threshold 💸

    • @Waddy5691
      @Waddy5691 Před 9 měsíci

      Same here brother! I sadly broke the tip this summer and Sage did an amazing job repairing it. They quoted 2-4 months but it came back in 7 weeks. The custom tip repair is beautiful!

  • @4492573
    @4492573 Před 8 měsíci

    Gezz Joe. You were not showing any love on the Sage Sonic components. That is Sage’s Diamond in the rough.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 8 měsíci

      Oh man I'm sorry, the performance is the story on the SONIC hahah. That rod is hot. Components are nice but not quite as flashy as some of the other models.

  • @nickbowser5810
    @nickbowser5810 Před 2 lety

    Take my sage out every weekend

  • @Subaruuu12
    @Subaruuu12 Před 2 lety +1

    Can you please make a video comparing the R8 to the X in the 590, similar to the one you made for the X vs Sonic. And do you know why Sage has decided to not put the weights on their rods anymore or the website for that matter? I find it crazy companies like TFO can give the weights of their rods, but Orvis, Gloomis, Scott and now sage, cant.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      Good question. I believe the weights are so close and ultralight, and 1/16 oz or 1/32 of an oz can be the difference. I don't think they can even build rods to that tight of a tolerance. It isn't fair or accurate with natural materials like cork and the variations of thread and resin. Picky weird customers paying $1,000 will weigh a Sage rod and if it isn't accurate, they will want to return it which is absurd. The top end companies don't want to have to think about whether the resin they use will add 1/32 of an oz, they just need to use the amount that makes the rod perform and work well. Nobody scrutinizes whether a TFO is actually heavier than it says on the blank.

    • @Subaruuu12
      @Subaruuu12 Před 2 lety

      @@redsflyshop HAHA, that is absurd. I didnt realize people were like that. Appreciate the response.

  • @doozer3297
    @doozer3297 Před 2 lety

    Is the foundation built to the same standards as the other rods? I’m considering getting it as an outfit or buying the sonic by itself.

  • @portland503
    @portland503 Před 2 lety +1

    Interested to know your thoughts on where the Sage X falls in this comparison? Would you say it’s somewhere in between the R8 and Igniter? Have yet to see a good comparison of Sage X and R8

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      Yes that is accurate, with the release of the SONIC the X just didn’t split the gap anymore. The SONIC at $630 only a bit quicker than the X.

    • @hunterbemboom318
      @hunterbemboom318 Před 2 lety

      I have not casted the Sonic, but If the sonic was very similar to the One that makes a ton of sense. I fished a one religiously for years and when thinking about up grading to the X there just was not enough there for me to make the purchase, now I have purchased the R8 and to me imo it is just and I creditable rod, delivers plenty of power with and insanely good feel

  • @TopSecretVid
    @TopSecretVid Před rokem

    Love my 5wt MOD..

  • @adithyasushil3706
    @adithyasushil3706 Před 2 lety

    Best of luck sir

  • @alwaysoutacontrol
    @alwaysoutacontrol Před 2 lety

    Joe your my hero man 🤩

  • @MrKveite1
    @MrKveite1 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I dont really care about the appearance of a rod, i am only interested in the performance.

  • @Kab_On_The_Fly
    @Kab_On_The_Fly Před rokem

    I have an R8 590, I'm thinking of making this into a dedicated indicator nymph rig. What line would you recommend for great mending and turnover power without killing the soul of the rod? SA Anadro looks good but the wf5w line is 1.5 heavy. Maybe the wf4w?

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před rokem

      It depends on the size of the rig, if you are running small indicators I simply like an Amplitude Infinity, it's thinner, and drifts more drag free on light rigs. If you are using big indicators, shot, double rigs, the Anadro will turn it over better but comes with a cost. The thicker tip and head gives the current more traction and offers less finesse. On that rod, personally, I would stick with an Infinity.

  • @vadims4589
    @vadims4589 Před 2 lety

    Thank you, great review based on your experience.
    The question is what is the best fly line for Sage Mod 9”#5?

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      I would put a RIO Gold Elite on that rod. I love the MOD, it's a great all around rod as long as you aren't trying to cast streamers into the wind at 60' or more.

    • @johanh9637
      @johanh9637 Před 2 lety +1

      I have tried a bunch of lines on the mod 590, I think the Perception beats the gold hands down. For better/longer mending I'd go to a double taper.

    • @vadims4589
      @vadims4589 Před 2 lety +1

      @@johanh9637 Thank you!

  • @astuart3645
    @astuart3645 Před 2 lety

    Hi love your sage reviews, I have recently bought an igniter 10'7wt and paired it up with a rio single hand spey, Can you recommend a better line for lake trout fishing, I fish the single hand spey for salmon etc in small to medium rivers

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +1

      Are you wanting to single hand spey for trout in lakes, or traditional overhand cast. For an overhand cast I would do a one line bump to the WF8I on this line, I love the Lux series. redsflyfishing.com/collections/lake-fly-lines/products/rio-camolux-intermediate-sinking-fly-line

    • @astuart3645
      @astuart3645 Před 2 lety

      @@redsflyshop okay thanks appreciate the reply, Ihaven't heard of this line I'll take a look, I was mostly looking for an overhead line as the rod and single spey line is new to me I've yet to master it

  • @darrenconn3847
    @darrenconn3847 Před 2 lety +1

    So is Sage X still your go to on yak/Missouri?

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety +2

      Yes, I’ll fish my X a lot. It’s a fabulous rod! Given a choice side by side however the R8 has a bit more fun and wow factor.

  • @varmintassassins8924
    @varmintassassins8924 Před 2 lety

    awesome!!!

  • @Ryan-yp7zb
    @Ryan-yp7zb Před rokem

    For a 9'6" 7wt for streamers/bass/steelhead in the Oregon and Washington should I save money and get the Sonic or save up money and get the R8? I am leaning Sonic but I'm not sure.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před rokem

      Great question. I like the R8 a lot. I would buy up on that if it's within reach. Line feeding, mending, roll casting is going to be a better vibe. You'll be fishing the same rod in 15 years and glad you did IMO. Like I said, if it's within reach financially. It's a lot of money but you'll only have to buy it once! :)

  • @jimmythefish
    @jimmythefish Před 2 lety

    I'm still fishing my VXPs, (386-4 dry fly/small water/backpacking, 590-4 all around trout, 7133-4 for steelhead, 790-4 for beach rod). Quite happy with them with the exception of my beach saltwater cutthroat/coho/pink salmon rod. VXP doesn't quite have the oomph to it and 7 is a bit heavy. Would want to get a Sonic or Igniter for that in 697-4 - often casting into wind, which is why I had been using a 7 weight for the beach. Any thoughts?

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      Well they are both fantastic, it sounds like you keep and cherish your fine rods for all time and make good buying decisions. I would personally lean toward an Igniter if budget wasn't an obstacle there. The performance and finish is notably better, and the action of the Igniter is a bit snappier for casting in the situation you have described here.

    • @jimmythefish
      @jimmythefish Před 2 lety

      @@redsflyshop thanks Joe, excellent advice and much appreciated.

  • @everythingflytv507
    @everythingflytv507 Před rokem

    What line do you recommend for the 596 r8 if I’m mostly doing indicator fishing?

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před rokem

      Oh I would get an Indicator Taper if you are roll casting big indicators and stonefly nymphs or fairly heavy double nymph rigs. Both SA and RIO make great lines, either would be an excellent fit. Stay with a #5, these lines are buffed up a bunch anyway so no need to even consider a line bump. redsflyfishing.com/products/rio-elite-indicator

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před rokem

      Here is link to the line, redsflyfishing.com/products/rio-elite-indicator

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před rokem

      If you add the line to your cart along with the rod, it may ring up free. If not, use coupon code "FREELINE" at checkout!

  • @ibookje
    @ibookje Před 2 lety +4

    Usually love your videos but this one is crap Joe. Let me explain why.
    'We' have made fly fishing way too complicated. Sage alone has 5-6 models for a 9ft 5 weight for instance. Why?... This isn't helping new comers or anyone that's not a true gear head. Why are we making our sport so difficult to get into?...
    Any good caster can adjust his/her casting to fish a rod with various distances, type of fly or personal preference of action. The rods action can be altered by going one line size up or down. Doing a lot of short distance fishing? Go a line size up. Let's make it a lot easier and less cluttered.

    • @Cigarhiker
      @Cigarhiker Před 2 lety +3

      Right on ibookje! I am inclined to believe that "casting style" might often be an excuse term for not being a very good caster overall. If I am casting a soft rod for small stream trout I will be casting in a different "style" than I would casting a big bunny fly for pike. A good caster will adjust his "style" to the rod. A poor caster will try to find a rod to match his "style".

    • @dong8307
      @dong8307 Před 2 lety +1

      Just different options at different price points. The review wasn’t crap.

    • @Cigarhiker
      @Cigarhiker Před 2 lety +2

      @@dong8307 Actually, I liked the review but was referring to ibookje's casting comments. I should have made that clearer.

    • @kingsleyzissou2356
      @kingsleyzissou2356 Před rokem +3

      Your complaint should be aimed at the fly fishing industry or specifically Sage, and not Reds Fly shop. It is not in any way shape or form Red’s fault how many rods Sage makes. To the contrary Red’s does (especially this review) does a great job explaining the differences in each rod so you can make an educated decision on which one works for you. Your comment was in no way helpful or relevant to this fantastic review/explanation of the Sage line.

    • @barry4fish19
      @barry4fish19 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yes I agree we all appreciate Joe’s great reviews. Sage purposely floods the market with as many models as possible, and puts the same snubnose grip on every one of them because it’s just a strait piece of cork that’s an easy shape to duplicate. Notice that the handle grip ergonomics is not even mentioned as a criteria. There are two big reasons why many senior fly fisherman still prefer their older Sage rods: 1) Handle grips were more comfortable and fit a wider range of people back in the XP days, and 2) Recent Sage rods, at least most of them, don’t have good “fish fighting feel”, they feel dead and don’t transmit vibration to your hand, like the old ones used to. Thats because Sage uses more fiberglass in their rods (blanks are really a composite construction), it’s an important part of the design and the blank technology. I don’t like the fact that Sage puts way too much emphasis on blank technology and not nearly enough on cork ergonomics and fish fighting feel. I can pick up an old Fenwick HMG graphite rod from the 1970’s, and feel every time the fish tries to spit out the fly while fighting them (same with the Sage XP too). Most younger fly fisherman won’t ever experience this difference.

  • @feartheduck6664
    @feartheduck6664 Před 3 měsíci

    Overpriced. A $200 rod can do the same.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 3 měsíci +2

      Same could be said about watches, art, and optics. If you want something a bit finer, it costs ya.

  • @finally1811
    @finally1811 Před 2 lety

    Where is the casting examples. This is useless.

    • @redsflyshop
      @redsflyshop  Před 2 lety

      Our channel has a video of most most models being fished, maybe search there for the model you are most interested in. Thanks for the productive feedback.

  • @glenndotter5065
    @glenndotter5065 Před 6 měsíci

    Overrated and overpriced.