VIRTUAL PRODUCTION Everything You Need To Know
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2022
- Pioneered during production on the Mandalorian, Virtual Production screens, known as 'volumes' are a revolutionary filmmaking tool when combined with 3D gaming engines like Unreal, that can produce incredible results. Originally screened for the the 2022 FMX Convention in Stuttgart, Tommy and JP spent 3 days experimenting with miniature photography on a VP volume, in an effort to take this new technology to new and exciting places.
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I love that virtual production is bringing back the nice CG/practical blend we had in the late 90s, before everyone went CG crazy. I think mixing both works wonders.
Really exciting to see this tech finally in the hands of indy filmmakers. When I first saw this used in the Mandolorian I knew it was the future. For Indy productions it's a game-changer.
Absolutely, it’s amazing tech!
The first time i've seen your channel... I felt like I have found my people. I share this dream of practical and digital.
Welcome!
The monitors in the miniature was a superb test. Love seeing VP used in new ways like that. Definitely has our minds racing.
You guys never seem to amaze me with the quality of your videos; each one is 100% worth the wait!
Thanks Jordan, glad you enjoyed it!
You meant cease right... 😂
@@InCameraTV oh, yeah 🤣
@@InCameraTV yeah you never seam to amaze me...seemed like a backhanded compliment. (Yes I misspelled the first seem on purpose)
It’s that natural aversion to double negatives that gets people all the time. It’s like how I used to always think the correct phrase was “a good movie suspends your belief” because my brain wouldn’t do the math to realize that “disbelief” and “suspend” cancel each other out to result in “belief”.
immediately thinking about the mini 1080p screens they make for raspberry pies with HDMI inputs, perfect for custom installation in miniature windows, cockpits etc
You guys need to get on the Corridor Crew's couch!
its so convincing that even though you show how its done, my brain just doesnt notice it as effects and just accepts it as real.
Fantastic video, please keep up the good work!
Great video! The Volume is amazing, thanks for making it a bit more understandable.
No worries, glad you enjoyed it!
Seeing your channel grow is so awesome. Been here since ur subs were in the low single thousands and I'm glad ur getting the exposure you deserve. Although, really you deserve WAY more. Another great video. 👍
this technology seems like miracle. in childhood i saw star trek's holodeck and moscow-cassiopeia rest room, and now this is became a reality. what a time we live in)
You guys seriously deserve more reach.. I hope more people recognize this channel. Love from Pakistan guys keep coming with these dope uploads ❤️
I absolutely love you guys. Every video you put out is overflowing with creativity!
Thank you so much!
Quick thing on language. I know film makers are talking about volumes, but these sort of spaces have existed in VR for decades just not using the LED panels from outdoor advertising.
In VR they are known as Caves!
A classic example was the connection between Xerox Palo Alto Research Centre & EuroParc in Cambridge UK where two semi-circles were connected to make a virtual connection space. The sort of thing we do everyday with a Zoom /Skype call
As opposed to Head Mounted Displays AKA VR Goggles that were first publiced by VPL's eyePhone (when Apple brought out the iPhone as opposed to the iCell I was very confused)
Awesome stuff! VP is something I’m getting real interested in for sure. The natural lighting effect is so worth it.
I love your channel!
As always... nothing short of Awesome & Incredible! Thanks guys!
I say this every video but this is the coolest one yet. I am not a film maker. I'm just a fan of movies and learning how they're made. But you were tickling _my_ brain with ideas. I've seen the BTS of The Mandalorian and I just assumed volume tech is something only a big studio could ever do.
But then you mentioned projectors. What a great idea. I am quite the computer geek so I've tinkered with Unreal. So by the end of the video, I had this home brew volume in my head using a projector, 3D printed models, and a home made motion control rig made of an Arduino and some small motors with my cell phone mounted on it to shoot the video. I have no idea if that's possible but I really want to try it.
Great video, as always.
Go for it!
That is absolutely possible. If you build it make a video
Fantastic job, really enjoyed this!
The public deserves to know how to do this themselves. Independent filmmakers should have access to this tech too...
We’re still working hard on finding a way to make this cheaper and more accessible as you’re so right; this tech is amazing, everyone should have the pleasure of using it!
The main problem is cost with the LED panels but you could figure out how to do it with a decent short throw projector and Unreal 5 tutorials online.
I mean, "how" to do it isn't some classified document available to only the most rich and powerful. They literally tell you how to do it in this exact video. Pay attention to it instead of going into the comments to complain, there's some really good info in there.
Model work will never die! Great video, thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Looks great! I love the possibilities of virtual production. I hope to be able to experiment with it myself in the near future. Thanks for a great video!!
Fantastic to see technology evolving and just putting more power and creativity into the hands of filmmakers. It allows so much to be accomplished with so much less.
I love the idea of VP being used to actually bring back miniatures and make them a more relevant part of film production again. There is just so much room for versatility and innovation.
I love the idea of it being used as a tool to potentially make films much more cost-effective without losing a sense of scope or scale.
I don't do video, but your problem solving is very tranferable. Another great video.
Thank you so much!
Excellent work guys! 🎉
I don't understand how you only have 53k subs when you make content like this
Really love your channel. It's amazing the quality of work you get from small models. Bravo.
Thanks so much, Stephen!
This is amazing, well done guys!
I find it interesting how technological advancements makes all these different techniques converge and you can go full circle in different ways. They all become part of one big giant sandbox.
You could build models in 3D, then 3D print miniatures of them and use them "practical" or you could build models practically, then 3D scan them and create "digital" 3D environments of them.
In the volume and compositing all of it comes together again - the distinction of digital and practical gets very permeable when both can crossover (and come back.)
Yes! Totally agree! 👍
Loving these! So interesting and well made 👍
Just so mesmerizing watching you guys work!
gorgeous! i'm trying this with stop motion. thanks for the great content!
Super practical nutrition for my brain! Thank you! More soon please! 😁😁👌
Good to see you lot back.
I love what you guys are doing. I bet every day is so fulfilling.
Underrated channel. Yall deserve at least 1 mil, you got my sub tho!
Thank you!
Was great helping out on this project with the set building! It’s so cool to see how you did it and made some awesome shots!
Thanks Lianna, it was a pleasure working with you!
20:26 Got to hand it to those madlads who set up a patio umbrella inside their apartment.
Oh so much goodness packed into this video. Keep up the amazing work team!
Thanks, Ivan!
Apparently for The Mandalorian they use a difference matte between the live footage and the background footage so then they can add a green edging around the subjects which let you get less spill if it's a green box.
Really interesting, I love putting monitors in a model. That’s a really good idea.
I like this! It's awesome!
“We need a really cool submarine”
“No problems, just glue some fins onto this minion”
That’s great you’re working with Elliot and Zander! They are extremely talented and loved their film Cosmos.
Cosmos was great, right!? They're a great couple of guys!
Brilliant!
BRUTAL!!! i love your channel!!!!
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Nice to see some of this live in person :)
please do do this with projectors on a budget, it would be so helpful
I wanted to say the idea of using a monitor inside a miniature to replay a photogrammetry correct interior using using metahumans shod in captured actors bodies & faces in Unreal 5 (using similar tools that were used for inside the matrix) all the while shooting the miniature from a "go motion" rig from the outside is amazing!!
It gives us the voyeur sense of being there peering into the reality!! Imagine shooting a Rainbow Six: Siege style take down of bad guys using a combination of
a. external shots through windows of a monitor intercut with
b. photo-realstic multi bounce Ray Traced scenes from within the buildings &
c. close ups of the actual actors faces speaking their lines in front of those same monitors.
That gives you 3 levels of action (wide, local & close) using 3 types of environments i.e miniature, fully digital & actual analog reality.
I bet people would think you actually physically built all the sets & shot it all in reality. I have been 'fooled' by similar tricks before.
Thanks so much Anna! Yes! This was definitely the one that got our heads fizzing, so many possibilities!
I have seen other people on CZcams around the time of NAB but in a recording made in the UK: outputting the display to a "kinoflow" tubes arrangement but instead using the latest dual LED RGBWW tubes to project the light effects onto the human subjects but without using LED blocks or LCD panels/projectors
They then used standard green screen to provide the keying surface - not as good as a mandallorian type space but substantially cheaper.
The key point is that the mandalorian used open source software to create its tracking tools combined with Unreal engine. It might now be being sold as proprietary big ticket items by some people but the original work is as far as I know still up to be forked on git hub.
ILM did initially work with Epic (Unreal) to develop the tech but they didn't want to be reliant on another companies software/development so they developed their own engine called Stagecraft. But yes, Unreal is available to all to use in this way, whether it be a live-key green screen setup or even using projectors!
Awesome stuff! If you wanna up your 3d printing game, get a mid-size resin printer for your model work. It would nail the details and are a lot easier to work with than an FDM printer.
Resin is the dream!
@@InCameraTV Dream? I own a resin 3D printer and I'm currently doing twenty five to life for a minor parking offence thanks to mistaking an Andruvian Poly-Nun for a parking meter. What be the excuse there, then? Also, do any of you lot happen to have an STL file for a turbo-shiv? Asking for a friend.
@@InCameraTV They're so cheap now a days, so for price less than a c-stand you can have a full printing setup! :)
@@Blanced oh really?! Tbh the one we have is a lend as we've only recently wanted to try it out. Recently become aware of resin printers which look very impressive. Just assumed they were all big and expensive. More research is clearly required!
@@InCameraTV Checkout Elegoo or Anycubic printers. They're consumer printers but more than able to deliver the quality needed for your models sizes!
Very Interesting👍
Is the yellow mini sub based on a surprised 😮 minion. Ha ha. Great video as usual 👍🏽
LOVE your channel. : )
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
Great video!
Thanks, Jeff!
I can't help but think of James Cameron submarine "Deepsea Challenger." He favored the vertical body As a way to get the submarine deep as fast as possible.
He conquered the Mariana Trench with it.
A great inspiration... on so many levels.
Awesome! I'm old enough to remember when green screen was blue screen! I recall reading a Making of Return of the Jedi book just after it released where they talked about this great new technique of using a green background instead of blue because it was easier to remove in post. Now it's all happening live.
Blue screens were used because the mattes were created using a photographic process.
Green is preferred in digital because the channel has more contrast and less noise. It also does not need to be so heavily lit.
@@TryptychUK That's interesting. They didn't use digital in 1983 though surely?
@@VictoryWorks In that case, there were probably other considerations like having blue in the foreground colours.
Digital will use blue when there is a lot of green like foliage etc. Matte screens have been other colours too, Disney used to use sodium yellow, and I've also seen magenta and red mattes.
18:42, I like the idea of using a pc monitor as a projection, but the problem is the limited viewing angles of most monitors.
It would be interesting to see if you could do miniature FX with this setup - then you would need high speed. The advantage of VP does seem to be integrating with actors - if you are building a whole background in the computer, also doing foreground objects isn't a big deal. Very interesting to see you try this out anyway - it looks great!
Anyone else get Minion vibes from the mini sub? 😄
It's very interesting! Thanks a lot!
No worries, hope you enjoyed the video!
I'd love to see an effect from Doctor Who such as making a TARDIS-style console panel, a sonic screwdriver/alien gadgets, alien costume or anything you like. If you can't already tell, I really like Doctor who.
Brilliant. Top Self
Thank you!
Interesting take on the projector instead of LED
Just came across this video and although I really like the work in it, saying green screen is dead because of smart stages did make me chuckle. It has its use cases of course but green screen will live on for many a year for both indie and blockbuster movies...to many reasons to list in a comment 🙂 I must say I loved seeing a BMD Pocket being used for a smart stage shoot 😃
Haha bless the BMPC's 😂
Don't think we ever said green screen is dead tho... You're absolutely right, it's here for a while yet. At least until volumetric cameras hit the streets!
Another awesome video!! I wonder if it’s possible to use a transparent lcd in front of the camera 3D tracking too?! Might be cool, but is probably pointless when you can just overlay stuff in post! Thank you for the content, I always look forward to watching your videos!
Not at all! The transparent screen could cast shadows from virtual objects, which could save on time and resources in the long run.
Yaaaaaaay!
I think for thing slike that min isub a Resin print would be better. I printed a rook figurine twice and the tolerence on the print were so good that the gear like part at the top interconnected perfectly leaving it practically seemless.
that yellow sub with the two lights up top looks like those yellow fucking minions things
4:53 FINALLY a close up shot of one of these volume screens where you can discern the pixel count. Do you know how the resolution of this setup compares to Lucasfilm's?
I need to know how those rocks were made! Did I miss a video??
dang you guys make pretty good youtube videos, you should do movies or something.
Fascinating stuff, as always.
11:30 Blood for the Blood God! It isn't a proper crafting project unless you cut, bash or abrade yourself.
Haha well spotted 😉
Some people have said that InCamera's videos remind them of the classic television series "Movie Magic," but that's not really a valid comparison. "Movie Magic" had Neil Ross narrating in voice over, with no host actually participating in the filming.The best comparison I can think of is:
What if Tim Hunkin and Rex Garrod had done "The Secret Life of a Special Effects Studio."
I'll leave the audience to determine which one of you guys is Tim and which one's Rex... ;-)
I would have 3D printed that sub in resin - smooth surfaces without all the sanding.
Is it possible to pull this method off with an iPhone?
Quick questions, do you just rent or hire the LED screens? and what's the process for getting something like this set up?
The screens are hired yes, alas the second question is far from quick to answer! We are part of a company that has been developing this tech since the beginning, sooooo much R&D!
Now do one where the client asks you to change it to night time after it's already shot at midday... because that is unfortunately, often the reality. Nobody sticks with the backgrounds, or even the location they shot on set once they get to post production. Unless they don't have money. If they have money, they're making the movie in the edit suite, and you'll be rotoing everything and replacing the backgrounds with stuff that just does not work with the foregrounds.
This is so interesting! Would love t otry it sometime, hopefully the tech is getting cheaper and cheaper to a pint all of us ca nafford doing so 🙂One question tho, I don't understand completely, you make a shot wit the green-screen, first is that a greenscreen on the Virtual-screen or a real one? If it is on the Screen, would it not cast a nasty green light on the model? And why would you have agreen-screened version. Then you end up with a model on green-screen and then you have to add a CGi background again. Does not that ruin the whole point? As if you have a green-screen behind, will the light reflections and interactions still show on the model, or will they be blocked by the green-screen.
Hope you kind of understood my question. I might just not think clearly now, hehe
Maybe the green screen pass is to have kindof a separation mask for the model, so it can be edited in post separately.
Spot on my friend!
@@zsigmondkara oh like you add the model that is green-screned on-top of the clip with the VP- so you ca adjust contrast etc. on the model?
@@vegardpedersen Yes :)
@@zsigmondkara thanks, now Iam a bit smarter on VP 🙂
Could this be used as a way to project unreal engine backgrounds or live action plates for stop motion? Like rear projection setups? Thanks!
Absolutely. Some animation studios are using for just that right now!
@@InCameraTVThanks!
Could you please do a video on that soon?! Thanks consider this a video request!
I've been very interested in someone making miniature sets, with a full motion camera and a camera on the miniature slaved together, and the miniature footage fed to the LED screen. A variant of Doug Trumbulls magicam setup from the 1970s.
Indeed!
@@InCameraTV thank you for interest. I'm not engineer. But watching the LCD volume and seeing modern DSLR motion control, I kind of had an epifany, with a camera on a set moving, and a second at say 1/4th scale, mirroring the motion at 1/4th size on a model set that can be real time fed to the LCD screen.
This new tech is cool but I think green screens done well still look better. Maybe in the future this type of tech will surpass it in quality. The other thing is that a green screen shot can have an infinite number of backgrounds edited into the shot where as if there's already an image in the background you're kind of stuck if you want to do something different later.
Stuff like this might be cool for the likes of ILM, but the costs are prohibitive, and it will be a long time before it gets to a point where us mere mortals can afford it.
And it's exacerbated by the fact that models require small camera apertures makes it even worse, as those screens simply don't kick out enough light.
As a thought, regarding sharp definition on your sub set, have you considered doing a Z-Depth pass? You could fake a narrow DoF whilst keeping your hero sharp. If you used bright lights at the front of the set, and then in post adjusted the levels to get an even dynamic range, you could then apply that to a blur layer, so everything brightly lit was sharp, fading off to the dark areas blurred in the distance.
great stuff! I'm incredibly sad that your custom sub is a minion. I feel duped. /s
can you pleaseeeeeeeee do it with a projector?? not everyone can use/affort a led screen with high ppi... can you show us how we can do the same thing with projector?
Oh absolutely, we’re playing around with it as we speak!
@@InCameraTV ohhh greatttt... cant wait to watch it :)
Could you imagine how Thunderbirds would have been if Gerry Anderson had access to this kit?
BTW looks like somebody got a ouchie on their thumb making submarines. 😂
Maybe Corridor Crew will see this, and challenge you now that you are stepping a toe into their playground?
Is it possible to shoot with film cameras on these things?
Yes. You would need to do experiments with which film would best react to it and also jerry rig a motion tracker to your film camera though. Plus if you wanted to do further digital processing (removing wires) you'd have to scan the film in. So you could, but it would be a lot more work.
where is this budget volume studio based?
@InCamera - I think we need to dress the sub up as a minion....
Resin printing is insanely cheap now. Take a look at the eleego Marsh and saturn
Yeah resin is the waaaay
Please continue encouraging maniacs. That's how we get nice things.
Great job 👌. What led panels you used ? And why didn't you create and render moving objects in 3d and UE? Must it be on set ? Bcuz of focusing marks and camera movements?
10:00
Why does it remind me of a minion
9:56 Who else thinks the new sub looks like a Gundam version of Despicable Me minion Kevin?
Is it supposed to be a Minion?
I think your output was using a standard added layer type output, as opposed to using a multiple head design using water soluable pla type support structures, but you might had better luck if you had used a stereo lithography based print as whilst more expensive needing a post print washing process its not being used in a context where it needs to have mechanical strength which can be the advantage of additive layer printing
Perhaps next time team up with a 3D printing CZcams channel because your project gives them huge kudos?? as your the 'Movie Biz'
Great shout Anna!
The new sub was meant to remind me of a Minion right?
Came here to say that. Kept expecting an "oh, by the way, we call it a subminion" comment.
You guys need to work in hollywood.
Haha thank you! Maybe one day 😉🤣
It's making Star Wars look claustrophobic IMO. But Star Trek is using it a little better.
A virtual set doesn't seem to make a lot of sense strictly for a model shot when you could build and animate the model in real-time instead. Virtual sets make more sense when there are real actors involved in close-ups and when a virtual actor wouldn't be convincing.
Virtual actors are never convincing 😅
But yes you could well be right. Although in some cases the interactive light provided by the volume can still lend itself to miniatures too.
This was really more of an experiment for us.
As with all fx it all depends on what the shot requires!