The 2021 Porsche Boxster GTS 4.0 is really good, but there’s a catch . . .
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- čas přidán 15. 09. 2020
- After driving two other Porsches with the same engine, the Porsche 718 Spyder and the Porsche 718 GT4, MotoMan finally drives the slightly detuned Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 and learns it’s really good, but presents a challenge in the Porsche world. Meanwhile in a round of our famous #OptionsGame, we are presented with a science experiment from Zuffenhausen . . .
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GTS 4.0 can be spec'd in ways the Cayman and Spyder can not, like 14-way seats with ventilation, interior colors, paint, and wheels. All versions of the 4.0 are a winner in my book, just have to pick the one that best fits your usage.
It still blows my mind MotoMan's videos don't get more views compared to to other car CZcamsrs. He's one of the best imho.
It's actually quite simple! His videos are informative not entertainment. His videos actually determine if I am going to buy car X or Y, however the other CZcamsrs entertain me! His videos are entertaining but not at the same level. You can't have both, imo.
harry
Porsche did it. The world's best 2 speed manual transmission.
I'm guessing this is plagued with the same issue as the GT4 and Spyder then?
I own a 718 GT4. The gears are not an issue. There's ample torque down low for driving around town in a spirited but civilized manner and a ton of power up high for when you want to let it fly. This is an old school set up for an old school style car. It's not set up to be driven like a turbo charged engine with short gears that utilize the very low rpm torque via a pdk. For anyone who grew up driving high power, naturally aspirated engine, manual transmission cars, the GT4 is a perfect throwback to the cars we loved as teenagers and young adults. If it's not what you want, don't buy it. But saying there's something wrong with it just shows a lack of understanding of what this car is all about and ignorance of how cars like this are supposed to be put together.
Haha that's funny :) Tall gearing on 2nd is something people have complained about. Porsche says it's for fuel and noise regulations so You're not shifting so much, but really, who knows. It's not something I'd be concerned about.
@@marcfd3756 you really don't understand how gearing works and what a car like this needs. Or you're trying to justify your ~$150k purchase. The manual makes this car a Disaster. A GT4 with PDK will make sense, but not this.
@@Fluterra well, to each his own, I guess. Applying the skills I've developed over 42 years of driving high powered cars with manual transmissions to this car has been a joy. I enjoy it much more than our twin turbo BMW with steptronic or any other pdk/ steptronic I've driven (although the M version of the Z4 with steptronic was petty cool). The bottom line is if you're having fun and enjoying the car, then it's the right car for you. If it's not what floats your boat, don't buy it, or configure it the way you like (with a pdk). The great thing about Porsche (and this is my first) is that you can set the car up to suit your likes in terms of transmission and breaks and then easily make adjustments to the suspension and aero. Plus, you can drive it around town and take it to the track without making a bunch of mods. The gearing is just one piece. I like it and it suits my needs and the way I drive perfectly. And it seems I'm not alone. One final thought, I've noticed that, with some exceptions, younger reviewers don't like the gearing while older ones think it's at least fine, if not good. Maybe because older drivers grew up with long gears? Check out the gearing in older super cars, they're very similar to the GT4, if not even longer!
The most knowledgeable reviewer from whom you can learn the most about cars. Plain and simple.
I understand why people prefer the 6-Cylinder NA over the 4-Cylinder Turbo - and it makes me kind of happy. because low Mileage and almost new 718 Turbos are now available for about 40K Euros. That brings them in range as a 2nd car for the weekends. Even with the 4-cylinder, it`s still a great Sportscar and for that price, I could live with less sound happily.
I bought a 718 gts with pdk a year ago and its been a great decision. I also bought an old cayman S with manual. 2 for 2 ultimate weekend package
Love Porsche’s and this is absolutely a great car, but $121k is honestly ridiculous for any Boxster, particularly one that isn’t a Spyder
more than half of the option price are those bucket seats and carbon breaks, this is a road car not a track car so I really don't understand why one would specify them. On a GT4 yes, maybe the buckets on the Spyder, neither make sense on a GTS. Bogo seats/discs all the way.
As a Porsche fanatic, I always appreciate your Porsche content!
Thanks, Brett!
Just found your channel. Great job. Lots of good info.
You are the only one who do a review with every détails about the cars technology etc..good job dude
Please do a c63s and Lexus GS f
Thanks
A perfect accompaniment to my Saturday morning coffee
Great video. How is the intake noise and exhaust tone? A lot of folk bashing the 718 4.0s because of the way the exhaust flaps work (shut 2k-5k rpm) and the additional OPFs (which you may not have in the US). Hard to tell on camera but did sound good
Such a treat!!!!!!! Made a fresh coffee and will watch it like with pleasure at the end of a work day :) :)
Great vid. First person I heard talking economics too....and I think you're right. True GT cars will likely turn out to be better value despite more expensive list price.
My 718 Boxster S, great performance, less money. European Delivery 242 laps Nordschleife.
Sound is not an issue, when trying to go fast in a circle. (only when trying to impress the girls)
4 cylinder turbo, Great Car, better value.
I completely agree and would also opt for the GT4/Spyder
Does apple car play let u use Waze in the cars screen?
This is the Porsche I would go for. I live in Colombia, and these cars are 40 to 50% more expensive than in the US dollar to dollar and with exchange rate so corrosive, the $10,000 USD base differential in US, makes around $35K USD difference to buy it locally. Additionally the conditions of the tarmac are deplorable, so the low front bumper without lift option would be a nightmare. And I'm not into big wings, my favorite Porsche is a GT3 Touring... so the 718 GTS is the perfect car for my reality and with the options I would go for, it will reach $151,000 USD (GT3 territory). N/A engine, manual transmission and sport exhaust is my dream car. Expensive here, absolutely, but I believe the joy and pleasure that this car can deliver, worths every colombian million pesos (574 to be exact with a minimum wage of $877.8 meaning this car costs in Colombia 654 minimum wages (54.4 years)). Thank you MotoMan for the video!!! KR to all!
WOW! Thanks for the real world feedback on the Tax scheme in Columbia.
I get your point about the GT4 being a better investment, but it doesn't provide better driving dynamics... on the street, like in SF with lumpy canyon roads. On the track? Sure, but much of that is the sticky rubber you'll need to replace twice as often, at much more cost.
Realistically, people who buy the GT4 are scared to put miles on their garage queens. The GTS is a car you can drive, tour, and track comfortably, on any tarmac.
I own a 981 spyder & first mod before I even got the car was for a shorter final drive to make it better. But soon as I got the car and started driving it, I didn’t go thru with the planned “on paper” changes. At slow speeds I just back down into first & 💥 ! But the final drive would improve 0-100 times for sure but it’s not about that with this car! Whoever is lucky enough to have owned or driven these cars knows what it’s about. Modern Real Drivers Cars! 👌 👍🏽 👏🏽
Does 718 GTS 4.0 manual transmission has auto Hill HOLD ? Thanks
Love this car. Great review as always. The only thing that would make me choose the GTS over the Spyder is the roof mechanism. Power roof for me all day long over the cumbersome manual roof in the Spyder even though the Spyder is the better overall choice. Please Porsche get some kind of power roof feature in the Spyder and I’ll buy it over this model all day everyday. Vielen Dank.
Spyder are limited I asked wouldn't sell one unless your favourable client with their point system
Lee Raymer I wouldn’t get hung up over the Spyder roof. It’s a real breeze to put up/down and is really fun to do (well I think it is). There’s also nothing to go wrong as on the normal roof with all those motors. I’ve had a 981 Spyder for 3 years and still just love the roof.
The 911 Speedster has a similar manual roof, but not as good looking....and for 3 times the price. Go for the Spyder and you won’t regret it.
fact, power roof all day every day.
Additional reason I would pick the Spyder is is the exterior design.
Such a great review, should have millions subs instead of thousands.
Thanks, Kevin!
I am an average driver, dont go to the track but like to drive twisty roads on a sunday morning and take the wife out for an evening drive and have a fancy coffee or so. I have a 2015 Boxster GTS in carmine red and although i like the 4.0 ( and will probably get one) , i would not take the spyder for the manual roof and less comfortable ride. Most folks that can afford the car are a few years older and racing is not what it is all about. Anyway, just my 0.02.
If you're craving the NA experience just buy one of the older cars.. you get all the manual and aural sound pleasures to go along with it for $15-35k depending which S model you go with. If it's just for around town then the extra power doesn't matter anyway. They are essentially the same cars. We got a great condition 2006 Boxster S with 71k miles on her for $15k. Add in a set of PS4S and a whole new Apple Carplay deck and you've got a modernized vehicle for under $20k.
Great Video! For those who will not track the car, I believe a well optioned GTS 4.0 will be a better choice.
Agree but valid point on residuals. Need to consider the practicalities of the roof and the front lip on the Spyder when choosing one. Spyder does look fantastic though.
Thanks for another great video, this helps make my decision easier. Spyder it is with one upgrade, bucket seats.
Kevin Lueng the problem with both cars is the gear ratios. It’s a big problem. This makes the PDK a must-have, which in turns makes the GT4 a must, as the Spyder with a PDK is stupid.
@@Fluterra I completely agreed with you regarding to the gear ratios for daily city driving. It's a tough choice.
How much of a difference in driving dynamics is there between the GT4 and the base Boxster 718 or 718
T? This is for a driver who never tracks his car!
Motoman, what is your thoughts on a past gen 981 Spyder CPO for the same money vs base GTS 4.0? Essentially the same price
As you know, I am a HUGE fan of letting others pay the depreciation so if the decision was this very moment, CPO 981 Spyder. In the future, would be a harder decision between a 981 Spyder or a 718 Spyder.
Will they not offer the Burmester sound system??
They forgot the Burmeister sound system, what a fail
Boxster! prob top 5 attainable cars in the world and have been for 2 decades. Have driven every year model that came out and they just keep getting better. Ive had my highly tuned and piped 718bs since they 1st got to the country in 16, just way too much car to be upgrading anytime soon. Any boxster is simply a great car to own and drive.
From what I read and saw the gearing of the GT4 and Spyder are apparently different than on the gts and not enjoyable as much for everyday driving. So while it maybe tempting to get a GT car would it really be better besides the bragging rights? unless one tracks his car often I suspect the GTS would be a better buy.
get a boxster gts 4.0 with manual you will get a unique open top driving experince a high reving na engine with a manual shifter is deffinitly a dying breed you wont lose money on those cars instant future classic and cmon do you really want another paddle shifting turbocharge car.
"Double fly wheel from the 991.2" wow that sounds expensive
I’d like to hear more about the different sport modes
Great Video! Not sure how it works In USA but in Canada dealer basically won't let you order a GT4 or Spyder in base trim.... I tried. Here's the game.... When I asked at dealer if they had an allocation to sell me? They responded by asking me what options I wanted.... Suffice it to say they told me they didn't have an allocation.... Read in between the lines...
I am hearing many folks in other regions run into the same thing.
Paul Comella there is approximately 12-15% in mark up on a new Porsche like the 718 Spyder so you throw $20-25k in options on it (which being that most are stickering in that $125k range is about average cost of options added) makes the dealership another $3-4k as opposed to someone ordering a base car with next to no options
MM, you are hands down one my favorite reviewers in the biz and truly enjoy your content (and Kumo’s of course).
That said, I have to disagree on when to favor the “GT” brands. I’ve driven them all and currently own the Boxster 25 which as you know is based on the GTS.
I’m going to make this simple, if you’re not going to track the car, do not purchase any version of the GT’s, they are NOT made to be driven on public roads and all sacrifice road comfort for that 5% optimum “on the edge” dynamics that you will only tap into if on a track, and only if you’re an excellent driver at that.
With due respect, your impressive canyon carving is in no way impacted by the driving dynamics of a GTS vs GT version of these cars. You just cannot exploit those limits on those drives.
Respect you my friend but will have to agree to disagree. Keep up the great work. 👍
That sounds soooo nice
Been looking at the new 911’s, but this thing catches my eye. Not sure why but I think these will retain their value more as time goes on. Also, people tend to keep Porsche’s for life anyways 😎
I have a 992 but I’m considering one. My 911 seems large at times.
Great vid
Just get the 🕷and call it a day 🤣
I would like this car very much
Which is the Best Buy this GTS 4.0, the GT4 or the 718 S? Assuming you compared all and wanted the best bang for your buck? Or considering you’re spending close to $100k maybe we should wait for Porsche to put the six in all the 718 models? Or say forget it and get a Supra or Z4? To me $85k is still a heck of a lot to spend for a small sports car! I love the Miata and the Supra.
This car will hammer spyder resales, I grant you the spyder is better looking with the roof down, but given this cars more usable nature with auto roof and slightly less weight, which really smacks the spyder in the mouth, this is the car to buy... for me. Being more of a GT the gearing ratios are less significant on this model, if they were ever an issue at all.
Wonderful review as always. I love my Alfa. But I really want to get back into another Porsche. I have been waiting for this release. Great suggestions on value.
Thanks, Seth!
I love my Alfa too. I have the same color QV. Rosso Competizione. I'm thinking about adding a Cayman GTS PDK, as well.
Thomas Ferraro Jr. Can’t go wrong with that for sure.
They missed the black brake caliper option -> send it back!
I think GTS should come completely blacked out everywhere. But Porsche options $$$ ;)
I ordered the GTS Cayman, not the GT4 for a few reasons. #1 Price, the GTS was already expensive enough. #2 comfort, GT4 is still designed with more track focus where I will spend little time and I don't want those race seats. #3 Availability, I'll likely be hard pressed to get a GTS before production ends, GT4 forget it.
Do you think the new 4.0 cylinder GTS with the six cylinder is really $30k better then the base 4 cylinder? given the huge difference in price. You can option a four so it looks as good and you may spend $70-75 but you’re still not close to the $90k for a base GTS! Which would you buy a nicely optioned $75k base or a GTS
It's infuriating how they introduced the 4 cylinder just so the could up-sell the 6 cylinder even the base model used to have. You get 0.6L more displacement than the 981S model and the cost is astronomical.
@@MadelnMachines - I totally agree!!
Do you think that this flat 6 GTS is worth the added money from the same equipped car with the four cylinder. This car starts at about $87k with a couple of options it’s $100 or more. Right now I don’t see Porsche putting this engine in the base and S.
To me, this car (or the Cayman) NEEDS the flat 6.
MotoManTV - How do you like the 2021 Supra?
That's the problem you can't get a GT4 or Spyder without a dealer mark up let alone get an allocation. So, it's more then a 10k delta between the GT4 and GTS. I went the route of Cayman GTS bone stock over a loaded Cayman S and only ended up with 3k of options. $90400 msrp
Hows the Gear ratio? Especiallly while driving in the canyons?
Spot on. Don’t believe those who say otherwise. They ratios are just fine and the car is immense fun on such roads.
gjonno the point is, it would be even more fun with tighter gear ratios. Unless you don’t like to shift, then you should buy the PDK.
louisolivierfortin - my experience with many thousand of miles in a 981 Spyder is that I would not change the ratios. In real life driving one does not constantly redline every gear and midrange torque is equally important. The car also has to be driveable in normal road situations.
I was pointing out that you can’t just take journalists ‘opinion’ on this.
@Son what. Get one out on a test drive and make your own mind up
gjonno I cannot disagree with your last statement. To each his own I guess. I was referring to my experience driving my father’s 981 Boxster GTS a couple of times. Maybe the GT4/ spyders have enough torque to compensate for the long gearing, but IMO the GTS did not. It should have been a riot to drive but it was not. Again it’s just an opinion. Porsche, being the option’s list experts, probably could offer a different gearset for thos who want to shift more often?
It sounds like Porsche has got more high priced options here than a camel has fleas. Why can't they add one more (or replace one of the useless ones they have currently) to tighten the gear ratios for canyon carving? I remember ordering a 1968 mustang with the option to change the rear end (diff) ratio. Just think Porsche, another option to make even more money as the incremental cost here is very close to zero!
Isn’t it VERY difficult to buy a GT4 or Spyder stock because dealers have very limited allocations and they option their cars so they cost , $120k not $100k for example. You have to go through a dealer to buy one.
I would much rather have the GTS 4.0 with the electric mechanical folding roof than the ungainly, poorly insulated, ugly roof on the Spyder, in fact if it was an option on the Spyder, I'm pretty sure a great majority of buyers will add it. It's the same Porsche Jedi mind trick of making you pay more for less features, like more for the Cayman than the Boxster until the 718 gen, more for the T version with the silly cloth straps for the door release which will probably have to be replaced after a few years for god knows how much. If the reason to buy the Spyder over the GTS is that it is a better investment than I think you should look at the used market for the 981 where the manual GTS's are hard to come by and the Spyders are plentiful. Sure they are closer to the original MSRP but remember the Spyders were sold at 10 to 20K above MSRP and the GTS could be had at 10 percent under MSRP. Most of the Spyders are low mileage garage queens because of the roof. It seems like it's not such a big deal at first but I put my top up and down at least twice on each drive, before I get on the Freeway and after I get off, or when I get tired of the sun beating down on my face or the occasional rain that you even get in sunny Southern california. I don't have to sit in traffic breathing in all the noxious fumes because I can't raise the top without stopping and getting out of the car. I don't have to look at the weather forecast before I go out for a drive. And with the top up the GTS gives you a more insulated coupe like experience so you truly don't need to have another car. As for the long gearing, it is only frustrating because you can't rev it out all the time due to the speed limit. I don't find the need to hit the red line on every shift during my normal daily drives and the torque is plentiful at 2000 rpm for in town driving in a sensible manner. No one should be buying a car like this and never drive above the speed limit. If that's the case just buy a camry or an EV. This car is for the canyons or drives to the countryside with low traffic where you can stretch it out without danger to the public and yourself at extralegal speeds. in that scenario the gearing is still long but not annoying at all. What's the difference between shifting from 2nd to 3rd and occasional 4th gear vs 3rd to 4th with occasional 5th gear runs. If feels exactly the same and sounds incredible cause you'll be at the same RPM's any way. PDK's and automatics are just boring at all speeds where the Manual is fun at all speeds, even in traffic. It's not for everyone but it's not meant to be. It's for the purists who are small in number but are ever willing to pay more if they have to for the experience as borne out for the market for the vintage cars or restomods. This is the closest you'll get to a high performance restomod in a modern production car with all the safety, performance, convenience and a warranty. I'd still wait to get a lightly used GTS 4.0 in a few years but if you wait too long you won't be able to find one used either as the second owners are the ones that really want and know what they have.
Hear, hear !
And now I know why there are so many 981 Spyders for sale right now in the US (and VERY few Boxster GTS 981s). I suspect those owners will be selling their 981 Spyders and buying this car. Basically no difference now in the engines between the two and now you get a roof the takes 10 seconds to open or close. As cool as the Spyder is, that roof can be a real pain.
I would never trade my 981 Spyder for a GTS 4.0. The engine sound from the 718 is poor compared to the 981 Spyder and I would miss the perfect looks and shape of the Spyder.
Dathumm glad to hear it! The 981 Spyders are great indeed.
There only 15 Spyders sale at in the USA at anytime. Mine isn’t for sale.
clu4u good to hear don’t sell it!
If I wanted to know how expensive Porsche options are, I’d just head over to their online configurator. Devoting almost 1/3 of the video to list every single option on a press car is a bit much.
Why hasn’t MotoMan talked about the elephant in the room - the gear ratios?!
I was waiting to hear something about that
Because the topic has bean beaten to death
I think only the GT4 and the Spyder had issues with that, i don't recall anybody complaining about gear rations in the GTS 4.0
Dan Mack j
Jakub Popiel gear ratios are the same
Carmine red looks pretty great in the sun.
Indeed it does!
Racing seat in a Boxster? I could see that in a Cayman, but not in a Boxster.
Exellent revieuw, very nice.
But I would go for the Cayman.
Which is more comfortable GTS OR GT4? Is the GT4 harsh of too stiff around town?
Speaking about 718 Spyder, i can tell you that ride is pretty comfortable and compliant compared with my previous 718 with no PASM. The real issue is the ride height, being 30 mm lower and with that protruding front splitter ( little more so with GT4) even on modest ramps access it's quite easily prone to scrap the splitter or front bottom.
It's a bit stiff but I don't mind it.
roberto sacchi - Yep! This car is nice but the pricing for this car and the new GTS is too high making it virtually unattainable unless you are willing to buy like an “idiot.” I feel that used ones are a better buy if you can find a clean low mileage 987 S. Cayman or Boxster! Otherwise look for the new Nissan Z next year or the Miata. Or maybe a Vette?
@@rembo183 Affordability is all relative, I guess. As a wise man once said "cool is expensive", so I guess very cool is very expensive. :-) I've never seen or driven a Toyota or Nissan that is anywhere near as cool as the GT4, which is in a class of its own. Even where I live, which is overrun by Porsches, Ferraris, Lambos, Maclarens, Mercedes GTs, Audi R8s, BMW M cars, Jaguar F-Types, NSXs, etc. (a trip to the grocery store can be like going to a car show), the GT4 stands out and gets noticed. It's just very cool and costs less and drives better than most of the above mentioned cars.
Marcfd -True! Everything is relative to some extent. You won’t find too many Porsche’s at your local shopping center unless you live in Monterey or Beverley Hills. But some wealthy people have common sense and drive cars that are attainable and practical. Sam Walton drove an old pickup. But my point is that there are very nice sports cars for way less then $100-$200k.
I guess you would buy the GT4 or Spyder as the preferred car ...but totally stock with no options?
All these options & they still went with a black interior. (Insert gif of Kanye West nodding in disapproval).
The GTS being 50 pounds lighter than the Spyder is very peculiar, it doesn't make any sense.
As always, excellent work, M.
It gets worse . . . there's a sister to this car floating around. It's Chalk with a BLUE TOP!!!!! Santa Maria Madre . . .
@@MotoManTV and they gave you this instead? Samuel L Jackson's signature catchphrase comes to mind.
Goldilocks, indeed. Drop some of the options, get it for sub $100k, and enjoy that ridiculous exhaust note
Actually there are many more options, like the leather steering column, extended leather dash, which you can only see when you open the door.
Your right about which to get, the GT cars always hold value much better.
That’s a lot of Mula for the performance
Yaaassss!!!
“why would you order a black top?”
uhhh, what colour would you spec with carmine red..?
Always wished porsche would make a tan top
chad connolly red on tan? are you 70?
Red on tan with tan leather is timeless
chad connolly not on a new car, it’s not.
I have a 992 and considering this car. My 992 seems to big at times…thoughts?
You won't get that with this, however you will lose the very specific 911 driving characteristics. To some, that is a very big deal.
@@MotoManTV Can you explain what you mean?
@@robertgregory1927 911s have a very unique driving characteristic that is defined by the placement of the engine. As such, they drive completely different than any other sports car. As great as the Boxster platform is - near perfection - it does not display the same driving dynamics as a 911. Best to drive both back to back - hard - to determine which you prefer.
@@MotoManTV Thanks….I’m keeping my 992 as a daily driver. Appreciate it.
What’s the catch ?
981 GTS vs 718 GTS 4.0… which is better?
Can you do a review of the 2021 Hyundai Kona N-Line.
if you can get a spyder!!
So... you said that you can adjust the Sport Bucket Seats... I am sure that you are wrong :)
He is wrong - you cannot adjust them
its a great car but its 95k. it should be 75k
I think you are quoting Porsche 0 to 60 times, 718 4 cyl GTS has been recorded at 3.6 seconds…..close to a base 911.
Yeah but mortals can't get allocation for a GT4 or Spyder. So we're stuck with this.
I'd stick with a Roof in this model and not select all options for the GT4. Why do you people go for the drop top versions anyway??? They are much heaver.
Actually there's only a 7 lb difference between the GT4 & 4.0 GTS Spyder.
@@danielfair4675 hey it more than that. You have to include the bracing for drop tops and those are heavy to prevent flex.
because I'm fortunate enough to live in Florida
The Cayman/Boxster GTS is head a shoulders above a base 911 Carrera, a 911 CS, is head and shoulders above a Cayman GTS. The crazy thing is, these car’s dimensions are within a couple of inches of each other and they drive so differently. If you can afford an CS 992, with sport chrono and rear wheel steering and maybe the sunroof, get it. If you cannot afford those options but can afford a 992 4, with sport chrono and Porsche sport vectoring, get it. If you can’t, get a cayman/boxster GTS with a few added creature comforts and you’ll come in under 100k and have an amazing ride.
It's insulting how porsche charge for every extra
💡!@#$& it , for $121K USD
just buy a 2020 C8 Corvette with Z51 package + 3lt interior + every other option 😁
BTW Motoman great video as always , thanks 👍👍🍻
Enjoy your understeer, there's lots of it!
it's not options, it's a pretty naked car and you need $10,000 min just to get what you can get in every simple Hyundai.
The Porsche for a new generation...
The GTS with a PDK is the one to have...
did they forget a zero at the end of the base price cause you dont have to do any manual fiddling to get the roof up at 30.. no nuclear turbines auto blip your heart out.
The manual is dumb old tech - I am sure there were guys claiming cranking their engine to start the car was so much more engaging than having an electric starter. Or go back and get a horse - a lot more engaging than a gas engine car.
Pls cut out the Oh my Gods. Thanks!
You can’t spec your own GT4 if you don’t own Porsche already so....
As usual Porsche charges you extra for many, many things that come standard in $25k economy car. Wonder how this would compare to the upcoming 400 hp Nissan 400Z which certain is better looking even if, as it appears, is a re-skinned 370Z probably @ $45k. Certainly doesn't compare to my 3LT C8.
Phil Salley you think the new Z is better looking than this GTS? In terms of performance value for money there is nothing that will compare with your C8, but the extra cost of this Porsche isn’t all for nothing and does have several pros.... probably not enough to 70-80% of buyers to justify its additional cost, but Porsche is fine with that I’m sure as they aren’t chasing Corvette like production volume
@@jameswillard1 Beyond brand name what advantage does the GTS have? If Porsche could sell 40,000 of these at the ridiculous price they certainly would but they couldn't. Have you been to Southern California? There are 911's everywhere. Nothing exclusive about it.
Phil Salley well for one it’s a much more timeless design, I know you don’t want to hear this (and will probably disagree because you own one), but the C8 is a somewhat compromised design because of its need to be all things to all people, GM even admitted it when they said they didn’t want to alienate they’re older buyers who require the ability to put golf bags and the targa roof panel in the back even if it required the car to look ungainly for some angles. When you’re looking to sell 40,000 units a year of any car it is pretty much a given that the manufacturer is going to play it safe. Not saying the Boxster is the best looking car, but it is more timeless and better proportioned. And the build quality of the Porsche is absolutely better as it should be for the money. No one is complaining about understeer or lack of steering feel in any Porsche reviews. I still think for the majority of buyers that the Porsche won’t justify the price disadvantage compared to the Corvette, but as I said in my original comment Porsche does give you some reasons on why it costs more. I’ve personally owned and enjoyed both over the years and have been able to immediately feel and sense that the Porsche is definitely the higher quality/more expensive car of the two.
@@jameswillard1 I don't find the Boxster/Cayman to timeless. The original Boxster/Cayman looks terribly dated today. C5, C6, C7 Corvettes still look good today. The 911 design is timeless although the earlier ones with the narrow rear look much more Volkswagen. My 74 911 Carrera was beautiful with the wide rear fenders and duck tail spoiler. Still looks good today. Don't know if you've experienced the build quality and fit/finish of the C8 but it is excellent plus you don't have to pay 1000s extra for leather or the basic amenities included in even the base C8. How about the absurdity of the 918 Spyder's soft top which pretty much insures that putting it down or up is so complicated and inconvenient it defeats the whole idea of a convertible. Compare that to the C8's power retracting hardtop targa/convertible something you have to pay twice as much for in the 911 Targa. Not sure the understeer is relevant outside of a track and you can adjust it out if you want to go there. The last thing 99% of drivers would want is for a car to be prone to oversteer which can be truly frighting as I remember putting my friends 1960 Corvair Spyder in the ditch.
The problem with the GTS and the GT4/Spyder is the gear ratios with the manual. It’s a big problem. That makes the PDK a must, which in turn makes the GT4 the variant to get, as a track car. The Spyder doesn’t make sense with a PDK, nor will you track an open-top car. Sad about the Spyder due to the gear ratios - Fatal Flaw.
There is an after-market-solution for the long second gear on the manual transmissions (in America from 'sharkwerks', I guess). However, that would be another expensive 'extra' then...
Btw: the ratios on the manuals are not a flaw - although this is what Porsche claims. The truth is they didn't want a self-made naturally-aspirated competition for their new (turbocharged) 911-992 manuals at just about the same price tag. Very frustrating, but that's the way Porsche does it.
As already mentioned, there is the Shark Werks kit to adress this problem.
Btw in Europe Porsche just introduced the PDK option.
Fluterra who here has driven the new one? Its still fast as balls even with the gearing the way it is. You can break the rear end loose at 4000 rpm. No problem. And if going over the speed limit is a problem then even a porsche Macan will be fatally flawed🤣
For fast oad use the ratios are just about perfect. This fixation with over long gearing is ridiculous. Maybe if all you do is track the car then you would maybe want shorter. For the canyons, which is where most of us have our fun, Porsche has got it spot on
Every GT manual has the same long gearing - even the latest 911 Carrera manuals. People forget these are track focused cars, not everyday drivers to run errands. Shorten the gears and you’ll have other issues and bring down the top speed. Too much car journalism hype on an overused topic and comments from readers who have never driven one. As an owner, you row all the gears, especially on any interstate, and it’s bliss coming out of 5th or 6th into 3rd. Nobody is redlining 8k every gear all the time....time to move on to the other 99.9% greatness of these cars.
This sound really good? Sorry but it doesn't come across in the videos....The Lexus convertible sounded good even on the camera mic. THis here...not so much
I still dream of the sound of that Lexus at night:)
@@MotoManTV Sounds familiar :) My only fear is that it won't be able to satisfy that more sporty fashion ( gear changes, overall feeling) I know it's a grand tourer first and foremost but it's difficult to judge how much sportiness it could still bring me (coming from a M4 guy....). what would you say how it compares vs a 2017 M4 convertible? Cheers from Switzerland
Lovely car but seems like the manual is a no go. It's an old design that doesn't work - given PDK is great anyway this is a car where I'd suck it up and go that route.
Porsha Tax, lol
5k for stupid seats and 900$ for better audio? ffs I dont get they dont just make bose standard ... i mean who would want bad audio in porshe? and yet you can have it .... their image would be better imo if it was standard. as with keyless entry and other basic shit.
the GTS is 50 pounds lighter than the Spyder? Same engine and...cant be everything. Suspension?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - like the Spyder front better.
Nevertheless - it's the Car to buy right now - and keep it like for your favourite grandson - while they all will be driven in self driven eggs. A real "Goldilocks Car".
spot on
Get yourself a very low mileage CPO 2018 or 2019 718 and save a ton of money ($30K+). $120K is stupid. The NA6 718s have gearing that is too tall and particulate filters that mute the exhaust. The low end torque the T4 motor offers is much more useable on public roads.
You know I am HUGE fan of letting others pay the depreciation, however the NA Flat 6 is what the car needed from the get go. The 4 was never the right choice. TOTALLY different experience - either buy a 6 now or wait until they hit the second hand market and save a couple of bucks.
Porsche always completely handicaps those mid-engine layouts either by downsized motors or horrible gear ratios it's the same thing different flavors, to make you go for the more expensive larger money cow 911.
I read this a lot but im just not sure its true. The 718 is a lower price point car vs but I don't think its handicapped, what is there on the market that gets close to this? An Alpine A110S or maybe a BMW M2C or a Lotus Exige but they all have their short comings vs this car so its hardly handicapped. The gear ratios aren't very different from 991 manuals and in the real world they don't feel too long most of the time. The 911 and 718s are really very different, for me the handling of the mid-engine car is just so much better and doest need to be faster.
So the GTS is a better car and a lighter car and a better road car, but you would buy a GT4/Spyder !!
Some times you just have to buy a better car and it’s £10k cheaper , screw resale value.
Did not say that. It is better tool in some areas, but for folks like me that prize driving dynamics, the GT4/Spyder is the better car.
@@MotoManTV but NOT a better road car, you need to buy the RIGHT car for the job, GT4 a better track car, which is ok if you track it, but you talked resale value choice, not whats best to drive on the road, GTS 4.0l wins.
Sadly Porsche is giving the Boxster/Cayman their last NA hurrah as the environmental wackos are legislating these cars out of existence. Get one and enjoy it while gasoline is still around...
Oh, the black roof, after paying all that much for the red GTS? That's cause a red roof would be totally tacky.
eff manual, like less than 1% of people buy manual. Wtf?
In these? WAYYYYYY more than that. Even a Toyota Corolla HB is up at 20%. These are closer to 30%.
@@MotoManTV i would say a pdk makes the car a lot more usable in a family, my wife cant drive a manual, so having a pdk increases the usage , not to mention using it to commute in traffic...manual fun 5% vs pdk usability 95%
Porsche is overrated, expensive. For the same money and way cheaper I can get a hybrid turbo and a RS3 and destory you everyday with Quattro.
Such an irrelevant comment, I’m not even gone try to explain why.
RS3 and RS4 much slower than a Boxster ffs - grow up and stop spouting rubbish
if we have to explain why we buy Porsches... then you wouldn't understand