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This is a comparison of Tiger tank variants and the 1:35 scale model kits available to make them from Dragon and Tamiya. This video is meant for those modelers who want to make a Tiger tank but aren't sure about which kits are good, or what version of a Tiger to make.
Hopefully you will make a comeback and review the new dragon tigers.
Excellent videos Adam. Really has helped me get through the weeds of all the different kits, etc. and what I should look for and stay away from. I've been a modeler for decades but mostly 1-32 scale aircraft and various scale cars and race cars. Just really getting in to tanks, and it's almost like a new hobby again for me. Thanks to you and a couple other good channels helping find my way. Keep up the good work sir!
a very interesting video, i built or have seen most of the kits you showed there and it was nice to hear what you think of them. i actually like the tamiya tiger a lot aswell, maybe it is the kit i built most often. i think at least 4 times and still enjoyable :)
Hamilkar Barkas I like the Tamiya Tigers fine, as long as you get some PE for the grills. I replace the tracks as well but that's not necessary for everyone. I've built 2 of those, and it certainly was the kit that got me truly in to Tigers.
Cannot explain my fascination with Tiger tanks. Have built 7 different kits. Your dedication to perfection is admirable. Thanks for the information. Phil
IMHO, the Tiger I has an intimidating appearance. It also represents the most sophisticated & dangerous tank to come from that generation of tank designs around the world. Furthermore, a number of legendary tank commanders graduated up to the Tiger I, so there is a lot of history & impressive stories attached to the Tiger I. Finally, because of the necessary limitations of the armour fielded by the western allies, the Tiger became a symbol for those who believe in the superiority of all German equipment, a myth that has been perpetuated for the last 70+ years.
I hear you buddy I have 8 tigers all Tamiya and all in the box! 🇨🇦
As a complete Tiger novice I found this video an excellent source of info....I never realised DML had put so many Tiger kits out, I really hope you put up an update on the other Tiger kits that have been released since you did this video., thank you so much for this one, superb.
Adam, I appreciate your comments and information! I am several steps below you in terms of detail and accuracy, but I enjoy the research, assembling, and painting of model tanks! My son and I had a laugh from your comments on the first Tamiya Tiger kit. That was my first German tank model, purchased in 1975 [from of all places, K-Mart!] for $7.50. Not only do I still have it, but my son purchased another one for me [minus the motor] from a military model show last November for $10.00! Three-digit prices for any 1/35 scale vehicle is way out of my league, and I'm sure many others as well,especially those like my son just starting into model building and collecting. So thanks for explaining how to get the accuracy with economy!
It's 2020 and I am locked away from my workbench. This helped me a lot Adam :)
Stay strong Michi.
Such a neat and organized work area
Hi Adam Mann, thank you for your input, much appreciated and I enjoyed your video. I am a Tiger aficionado and freak, thanks for pointing out the various aspects of the Tamiya and Dragon kits. I prefer the Dragon Tigers with moulded on Zimmerit, as it saves time and allows me to focus on other aspects of the model I'm trying to model. Thank you, and keep up the good work!!
Hi, I'm taking in as many reviews in order to buy my first Tiger, well my first tank, and this was very helpful. Thank you Adam.
Needs to be updated. In 2023, Dragon still charges a ton for their keys yet you’ll never find a metal barrel and the goodies are mostly gone.
Yup
O.K. Adam, I just finished watching the video in its entirety. I am very impressed sir very well done. I put this in my favorites box right away for future reference. In my very humble opinion this is The definitive guide on buying Tigers for the uninitiated or simply those who want to know more. The amount of back ground information as well as the detailed explanation of each kit is just fantastic. I would give this video 2 "likes" if that were possible. Well done bud...well done. It would nice to see you do a follow up or companion piece on the AFV Club Tigers at some point. I know Coen is not a big fan but I think they represent an excellent value for the money.
TacticalJackalope I've already thought about that Andy but I only had the Academy early with interior and no AFV Club or Zvezda. That you for the compliment, I put a decent bit of work in to this, unfortunately I left some stuff out that I wish was in there.
since you mention that those kits are not "amazing", could you make a list of the most "amazing" kits you know of? (Ideally with a less cheesy title.)
+Military History I'm not really sure what you mean, but i prefer Dragon to everyone else. So Dragon 6383 which is a late with Zimmerit, 6700 which is a mid production with Zimmerit, 6730 which is a later type early, 6820 which is an early early of Tiger 131 from Bovington tank museum, and 6608 which is an initial from the North African campaign. That's pretty much the best of each version of a Dragon Tiger kit covering all of the primary variants. I'm currently building Rye Field Model's early with full interior, which isn't as good of a fit as Dragon, but is quite detailed and I could recommend if you want to build a full interior kit.
The title was meant to mimic the book series which educates people on a subject they want to learn about but have little knowledge of. It was meant to advertise what sort of information I was giving, and it's worked very well.
+Adam Mann well, you basically said that those kits are good, but not amazing. Considering your vast knowledge and interest in model kits (and the internetZ) desire for Top-Lists, I would love to see you doing a top list of the best kits you know (not limited to the Tiger!).
+Military History oh, oh. I see. Yeah the internet does love that sort of thing...you know that's not a bad idea. I might drag my friends from CZcams like Hamilkar Barkas in on that. That's a great idea. Sorry i misunderstood you before.
@@AdamMann3D how about doing exactly that mate?
Thx a lot for that! You don't know how much i've looking for something like this! Now i know for sure what kit to buy, didn't know what's in their Dragon Kit's.
Thanks again. I really appreciate what you have done. That is a lot of work but sure lots of it was enjoyable. Seen a lot of good stuff people have been posting but yours really stand out. I build all modern post WWII and WWII. Mostly armor. Will be here supporting your channel. Nick
Nick Ruz Thanks very much, I put a lot of work in to this one for sure. It's a labor of love though.
I do love the Tiger tanks and I think Tamiya kits are nice. They are still expensive but not as expensive as Dragon's are. I started building models when I was seven years old, and now I'm 56. Model prices now are sky high and I really don't know how anyone can afford to build anymore, especially when your on a fixed income so I really appreciate this video.
The prices are insane they're just insane you're paying $50 for a couple cut out things of plastic it's just nuts
Ty for doing these vids.
Im really new to tanks and you have helped me a lot.
ty!!
+zofoblues I'm very glad to help.
Well this is just an outstanding video! I think Andy hit the nail on the head with christening it as the "Definitive Guide to buying a Tiger". I will definitely keep this video close when I'm out looking for a Tiger. Really nicely done mate, and I really like how you edited and brought it all together! I have a few Tamiya Tigers in the stash that you covered, but now I wish I had the Dragon kits instead LOL!
Cheers mate!
GeekyRocket Thanks man, I really like Tigers and I think that helped to allow me to quickly learn what the deal was with all of these kits, and I thought I should share what I knew.
Great stuff. Have to say been waiting for a vid like yours. Had my attention all the way through. Keep going strong. Nick
Nick Ruz Thank you very much. I love Tigers and It took months of trolling around the net to find what I wanted to know. Very glad it's helpful.
About the best video I’ve seen on Tiger variants - I’ve been building up my ref materials so this vid helps massively. I don’t think you are OTT with your POV. I think they are very valid and pertinent. Awesome work - thanks
Great review, you saved me spending weeks doing research and evaluating all of the kits to build.
I want tot build a late model but dreading the Zimmerit.
I built 35056 way back in 1975, while I was in college. It still survivies today and it is sitting on my shelf now.
Thanks for your videos, great work and they have helped me with my purchases.
There was a collector in California who has assembled and restored dozens of real tanks from all wars. They are beautiful. He has an authentic Tiger tank, in mint condition, and I was allowed to get inside of it as a photographer. It was stunning inside. Large blocks of machined alloys and extremely high precision fittings. Just astonishing. The Tiger tank seemed to be the apex of military vehicles I had ever seen. The museum had Russian tanks, Chinese tanks, English, and US tanks, as well as German tanks. There were tiny tanks from WWI, and current tanks from the Russian army. Beautiful. I believe he closed his private museum and possibly sold off some of the tanks. He had a full shop with workers restoring tanks, and had just fished this Tiger from a River in Europe, where it had been submerged for fifty years. He brought it back to mint running condition, including (non functioning) weapons and all accessories. The museum was somewhere near San Jose in the hills. I forget the name of the guy or the location.
That's rather interesting because nobody seems to have heard of that Tiger you describe. I suppose you have no photos?
That was not a Tiger it was a panther that they fished out of the river I saw the video. The only operational Tiger I is at the Bovington tank museum in England.
Here is the video czcams.com/video/ejq44cdeMO8/video.html
The comments alone are worth the visit.
Glad to hear it.
You need to build all of these it would be pretty impressive to see that those Tiger 1's lined up, great video.
Built the Tamiya one and was very happy with tghe result.
Really enjoyable stroll through the Tamiya and Dragon kits. Excellent info. One point of contention though: not all mid production Tigers had zimmerit. A few of the first batch did not carry zimmerit. I believe these went to 506 (who had a mixture of early mid (without zimmerit) and mid with zimmerit. I am still checking to see if 505 had some issued too.
Great video though!
Bit late with this but Grossdeutschland also had a few of the first mids without Zimmerit.
I know why finding a Tiger is getting harder to do,
Cause you got em all. 😂
Been modeling since I was a kid and just picked up a Dragon 6406 for 45.00. Will do my own zimmerit with putty. Love the vids man keep it up.
It's a great kit. I'm not quite skilled enough to do my own Zim. Thanks for the compliment. Work has kept me from videos for some time. But more will come.
I like your video very much. Great and clear information! I just decided to buy Dragon 6383 and 6406. Thanks for the upload Adam!
you sound a bit like Steve Buscemi. Now i can't unsee Mr Pink making 1/35 Tigers
I never knew the Tiger was such a popular tank, it's crazy to see how much they get for some of them.
I remember Tamiya’s late tiger being released 30 years ago , it was the first new 1/35 kit they had issued for years , I’m building the dragon wittmann kursk tiger , it’s very well made but I can’t help but think they have over complicated some of the parts , I purchased the afv club tracks with hollow guide horns then discovered the 4 raised ejector mask that have to be carefully removed 😡, should have paid the bit extra for the fruil metal tracks
Dragon don't care about their customers , its that simple ,, great video mate ...
how they don't care?
@@motulautech4680 They provide no multi-language instructions. Furthermore, they do no provide the extra photo etch parts/alloy main barrel parts with the later production runs of the same product (i.e. same Dragon number).
Really useful presentation, thank you for taking the time
Thanks for the vid as 2016 closes. Still very relevant as I know now what to look for if I do chase a dream of building Michael Wittmann's 007 with the turret attached and not upside down next to the chassis.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge & experience. Greatly appreciated.
I think I will go with the 6383.Thanks for the info.
Hey Adam. Another great, informative video. 👍
You bring out an important point..... If the kit is your just want one for my collection... which do you build.? .Accuracy and kit quality are big things we modelers worry about. But who likes to build a frustrating kit. ? I have come to the idea that an expensive kit can be worth the extras , but that is not aways true. I try to find reviews to help me decide but they don't always help.. BTW I think (?) Zvezda's Tiger 1 is from one of Dragon's molds. Thanks.
Good video! Ordered kit 6383 today. Will be my first dragon tiger.
Very good choice.
Thanks for the vid. I've been lusting for 6253 for awhile and I'm now convinced 6383 would be a better way to go. The multi piece plastic barrel is probably good enough though would definitely be looking at aftermarket tracks most likely.
Its a pity that you haven't done a chart highlighting the differences. I enjoyed your highlighting the differences but lost my way among the plethora of information you gave. Maybe a top twenty chart of all the manufacturers to see how they really compare.
The tiger tank from tamaya that you converted to the tiger 131 what type of track do you have early, mirror
Great video just what this newbie needed thanks
Outstanding video and presentation
Ace! Cleared up a lot of confusion.
Thanks Adam. Truly helpful roundup. Do you have an opinion of Academy's Tiger kits?
TheBlytonian I built the early with interior, I didn't like it much at all. Detail is spongy (worse than the Tamiya) and the fit was even bad.
Do you know why the DAK Tigers had weirdly bent front and side fenders? Was this a technical aspect or a side effect of the heat warping the metal?
Also I've seen pictures of Tiger 1s converted to the Fahrschulwanne Statdgas training variants, to be powered by wood fuel. Were those early productions or mid?
Ethan Ton probably not. Heat would not have bent the fenders like that. Looks like a rush job at the factory.
There were no D.A.K. Tigers. By which I mean, the Afrikakorps were never issued any Tigers.
The first 17 Tigers sent to Africa had a different set of mudguards to the later ones. This included the bent front mudflaps, but in fact all around the tank the sheet-metal items were different to the eventual "standard" version. Dozens of Tigers went to the Eastern Front with non standard side skirts.
Tigers at training schools were usually powered by compressed gas cylinders. Charcoal gas is a different system and has only been seen at the factory, when newly built hulls were getting a test run.
Um, many of the early early or as the channel calls them had smine launchers, and some of the regular earlies had these deleted.
Another important difference between the Jan-Feb 43 early early and later earlies is the alteration of the central engine vent with the triangular vent and different placement of the round phillip screw head like pieces.
+F.W. Sauerteig I'm currently working on a follow up video to this that will all be done in CG and show the differences like that visually. In this though I was more trying to dumb down simply for average people.
Ahh, Dragon "Magic wheels" in the orange box Tiger.
great video and good advice. I watched this again as I just bought the Tamiya mid Tiger. Its a little dissapointing, detail wise and even parts wise. compared to the RFM Tiger which I bought when it came out, the Tamiya kit is in the stone age. OK, that was a bit harsh. Not quite. But you get my point. The RFM kit was £40 and the Tamiya was £26 but needs pe grills. Anyway, I digress.....great video. Also, fyi on eBay, the US sites are always cheaper than eBay UK or Europe. In other words when you say for example that Tiger blah is $45 which is £30.....yes, mathematically that is correct. BUT in the real world, a $45 Tiger will be a £45 Tiger. I know you are just helping people with a guide, but I travel to tne US once a year and always look out for stuff on eBay US cos it is a lot cheaper. So its just to give YOU an idea of prices overseas.
Really useful thanks just what I was looking for.
Thanks Adam. I thought this video to be very useful. As well as your video on the Dragon query.
Keep it up pal.
Gunnar Bäumer You're most welcome. That's exactly what I made them for.
Adam, great video and very helpful, even to guys that have building for a long time. It just goes to show you can never stop gaining more information...well done.
I have a few of those kits and was just about to get another Tamiya but might skip it as I am very impressed with Dragons kits - I have 6730 and Cyber Hobby 6610 which is also a very good kit (Wittmann's last Tiger which I got at a good price).
I also have two Academy Kits (13239 Post initial/Early w/internals) and 13314 Late. I find they are not as accurate or good as the Dragon's but for my purposes they will still do OK. You are exactly right about the spend though - you could spend a fortune on upgrades but with Dragons recent tooling I find that broadly it is not really required, except for tracks. Again, well done on the vid
Thank you very much. I just did a long review of 6730 that i'll upload shortly, and you're correct. With how accruate that kit is it's hard to think of buying anything but Dragon. Thanks for watching man.
Thank you for creating this video Adam because I caught myself going to buy the Tamia 1989 late version tiger and order that tiger initial 1997 Box by Tamia I think I'm when I get a chance I'm going to buy the right field interior tigers with the zimmerit instead of these Camille ones cuz yeah to me and makes good kids but they lack a lot of detail and that's one of the reasons I like scale modeling is because I want to make a scaled-down version of the real thing so thank you for this video
Stupid auto correct on my phone via voice text
That's why I made the video in the first place, always glad to help out. I need to make an update of this for RFM, new Dragon kits and the upcoming Border kit.
@@AdamMann3D Thanks Adam for this in-depth review of the differences. I've been researching the Dragon kits and this has been really helpful as most of them are stupidly expensive (particularly here in the UK). I'm steering towards the #6383 (but even that kit is more like £65/$84 now). Would you still say this is a good bet in 2020 for a late model?
Exactly what I needed, thank you!
Glad to help
Brilliant video Adam...Thanks
+Junglelands You're very welcome.
Italerie released a kit lately to rebuilt the WoT Tiger. Interesting thing is that you can actually choose between three versions. 1. The late Tiger E with zimmerit. 2. without zimmerit. 3. there is an early turret as well so therefore you apparently can also go for the Fehrmann Tiger which is kinda cool because the kit is not that expensive by less than 50€.
Fehrmann Tigers didn't have an Early turret on a Late hull. They were original Early Tigers with new wheels only. From what you say, I guess the kit doesn't include all that.
HI Adam
I've only just come across this mini review of the different Tiger kits, Like you, i've built a number of them over the years, so I know them fairly well, but thought I would watch it out of interest.
I know that you made this five years ago, and prices change, but I have to say, your prices for the UK are way out.
Retailers at the shows, which is where I buy some kits, have always put me off buying Tigers from them, they are generally £60 and up, in fact, that goes for most Dragon kits.
I buy most of my kits on eBay, as there are no local hobbies stores in the city I live, however, even today, the cheapest Dragon mid Tiger is £56, and has held that price for years, the Michael Wittmann early Tiger 1 with crew is £67.
Even the Cyber Hobby orange box kits retail for £35 and up, and thats not thier Tiger, but more their PZIII ect.
I think the cheapest I've seen them in the UK, was £33, and that was over five years ago.
Other than that, it was a enjoyable video.
Martin
Nice comparision, thanks for video.
Hi Adam, yes this is very helpful to me just getting back into the hobby - confusing I have to say, but helpful none the same, i think ill try a Tamiya :), cheers.
Thank you very much for this video. I think I'm THE Tiger dummy. This is really, really helpful, 'cause I never built a Tiger. I just didn't dare to due to my little knowledge on the subject. Great! I just discovered your channel recently. Liked and subbed! :)
+Non-Prolific 1/35th Scale Model Builder Thank you. Glad to help and share the knowledge. That's why I put the video up. There have been new kits since this was made, so if you have any questions about a kit or something just ask.
Thanks a lot. I really might need your help. :)
I believe models are usually expensive because shipping them is expensive. By shipping, I mean in a container, going over The Pacific or The Atlantic. 1/35 scale tank is about the same space as a gaming laptop, which is $800-$1000. iPad pro 12.9in box is smaller yet costs $800. Not to mention smart phones nowadays.
I am not justifying the high price tag. There are certainly people jacking some models price up just because they are special, but in general they are expensive.
I may get a few to start buidling early 2018. I still have a Mighty Mo sitting on my shelf, not started yet.
Hey there Adam. I have watched this video at least 3 times now. What you went over in this video has helped me narrow down what my first tiger 1 would be. I went with the Tamiya 65216 early. I think that's the right model. The dragons obviously appear to be better. But I'm on a bit of a budget, and could not really justify spending that much on my second model. Anyways, seeing that I will have the early production tiger 1 I was wondering what paint schemes I could apply to it. I didn't want to go with just a solid color, I'd like for there to be camo on it. But I also want it to be historically accurate. Thank you again for providing this video, it was most certainly informational. I look forward to hearing from you.
Great job on your Tigers. Thank you for the information too.
If I may ask, where did you get your work mats at? I can only find relatively small ones. Thank you in advance.
Excellent video!
Incredible video and perfect timing. I am looking to build another Tiger I so this helped me decide that I will go with Dragon for sure rather than Tamiya. Problem is I want to build a mid production Tiger AND I want to do my own zimmerit so that I can work in lots of battle damage. But Dragon's mid production version comes with zimmerit which I don't want. Is there anything you recommend to help?
Brodka4Realz I'm not sure what you should do there. That is the only Dragon Mid I know of that isn't stupidly expensive. I think, and I don't have the sprues handy but I think there'd be all the parts in the box for the hull without Zimmerit. The turret though would have ZImmerit. The Cyber-Hobby white box 6660 doesn't have molded on Zim but it's rare so it'd be expensive.
Thank you for clarifying Dragon's Tiger I kits. What do you recommend or use for tracks, if Dragon Tiger I tracks have guide horns?
Adam, love these tank comparison videos. Any chance of doing one for the current StuG III offerings?
Very informational! I just bought the Tamiya 1/48 Tiger I Early Production Panzerkampfwagon VI from 2004. You can make it 4 different ways and I was trying to figure out the differences. I bought it for Bolt Action.
Fantastic video Adam, information overload, almost gave me a headache! lol
Which Tiger should I get for Otto Augst 1313 at Kursk?
Looking forward to more 'for Dummies' videos! 👌👍👏
Jan
So Wittmann had 1331 at Kursk, which you could use Cyber Hobby 9142 or Dragon 6730, 6820 to make. Carius wasn't at Kursk, his 2 Tiger I'd were an early numbered 213 (same kits apply) and 217 which is a mid so Dragon 6700, but you'd have to alter it a bit.
that moment you buy the tiger kit the youtuber hates but your dad loves it
+Robert Costello Which one, Academy?
+Adam Mann Tamiya
What aftermarket tracks do you use on your Tiger kits?
+Erik F. usually AFV Club workable as they're pretty affordable. I have Modelkasten as well which I love the final product of but they're fragile and the build takes a long time. I also have many Friul metal track sets, but I find they're too expensive.
Thank you. I've used the MK tracks and like them, but yeah, they are fragile and do tend to come apart. I like Friul, but the cost is high and drilling out the links does get tedious. I didn't know about the AFV club tracks, but I'll start looking for them now.
Friul metal tracks
thanks! very informative. I am currently building the Tamiya kit you built your 131 from and I am going to make it a 131 also. Do you have a video on your tamiya 131 build? Or can you tell me what changes you made to fix the tamiya kit? thanks in advance.
Hi, I just got a Tamiya 35216. Getting back into this hobby now after 40 years. Want to know what after market tracks you use. I can find metal barrels and grilles but find the track situation confusing. I'm slowly trying to return to this hobby. Started in the Tamiya world with the Panzer ii and Panzer iv. Want to take this Panzer vi to the next level before I tackle Dragon. Love the video and the information provided. Thanks! Any other advice appreciated!
I designed a set for Tankraft which is a US company. Panzerwerk Design is in Poland. I like his. And trex is a Chinese company I am an advisor for. All of these would work. Early type.
@@AdamMann3D I will look to purchase some of yours. I found your site. Thanks!
Good review! I ordered one from trumpeter today hope it's in scale, trumpeter kits are normally nice newer tamyia kits are really nice moulds but lack alot I feel! And normally avoid tamyia kits nowadays think I have one in the stash a mk 2 Matilda but only because its tamyia that makes her what's a real shame! I think other companies can really go to town on a new Matilda kit release! Looking forward to getting my trumpeter tiger 1 though! Got a Dragon panzer 4 today with a mk4 ww1 British tank iv been wanting to build for a while now!!
The Trumpeter kit is pretty good. It has zimmerit on the MG mount which is incorrect. But it's otherwise pretty solid.
@@AdamMann3D cool! I just bought a zimmerit kit for a panther G for my jagdpanther 2 tank destroyer kit from amusing hobbies! It was cancelled to make the E30 ir something not quite sure yet on that still trying to find abit of history on the project! It's a nice kit really nice detail and the wheels and drive sprocket and idler are stunningly crisp sharp detail the zimmerit kit came with loads of pre cut parts and because this mythical jagdpanther 2 kit I'm building wasn't built and created from world of tanks , you can pretty much play with alot of what ifs for detail! But tbh I'm not going daft that way just built out the box it's got loads of PE! The hull is the normal jagdpanther so alot fornthe hull I'm taking from.the jagdpanther and the super s is based on the Elephant with the rear mounted gun and it's the 128mm I'll swap out the MG ammo casing for the zimm one out the kit and and other port holes the only thing amusing hobbies have actually missed out completely is an exhaust system!! There just not one on the kit lol! So what iv done is watch a couple of videos on world of tanks and see theres exhaust smoke coming out from behind the 3rd steel road wheel! So took abit of airtubing from my aquarium spare bit of course lol and recreated the up swept exhaust system on the rear but because it's got a crew hatch that opens like a 4x4 tailgate on a land rover top n bottom the PE skirts comes with 5 panels or 2 long bits of mesh to hang from the 3rd pannal back and the mesh to replace the 2 rear ammo skirts! All starting to come together with the 3rd road wheel exhaust ports! And cut another peice of tubeing to go over the exhausts to create a heat shield! And its looking Brilliant lol! Abit of weathering and rusting up and its gonna look pretty cool with side exhaust like an old Corvette stingray! Lol staring to really like this build now! Wasn't to into it at start not being a real machine but if this thing was built I reckon it could have been the game changer! Lol
Building 6866 Mid but want to get 6406 late. . Have you ever tried making your own Zim? Or is the Trumpeter kit with Zim a better buy?
Good summary . I built the Dragon 6600 and Tamiya Late. What early or mid production kits are reasonably priced these days?
Reasonably priced? Not many. I would still suggest Dragon to 6700 or the rebox. The Rye Field kit needs Zim added unless you do one of the 35 early mids without Zim, but then you have to add the small pistol port and loaders hatch locking disc.
Hey would you be able to review the new Takom tigers that will be releasing in January?
I might. Their advisor at Ft. Benning was going to send me some. But then I might have pissed him off on Facebook. We shall see.
Thanks for this I learned a lot.
michael green You're very welcome, glad you leaned something.
Very usefull video. Thank you.
Is there a model that you actually enjoy? Because you said that your favorites are dragons, but are bad?
Fair question. 6730 was pretty great. 6383 too.
I bought a Dragon Tiger I Late Production "With goodies" brand new from a hobby store for 55 euros except it didn't come with "Goodies" such as the commander or extra metal bits. Did I get ripped off?
great video cheers . have got 2 tiger late with zimmerit to build
Great vids Adam.
As for the Panthers from Dragon, they are steps further in detail as Tamiya... as I stash the Panthers!
The Panther G's SW, Late, Rgt 26 and the Zimmer are great...even with some slight modifications you can back date these easy to June/July...so with these kits you can easy spread a large conflict area.
As I use Friul tracks and not used the DS, the DS tracks need some glory...the DS tracks are not that bad...when good packed;) but in detail they are good, the horns are really well detailed and are molded with the correct open horns, the smal profile on the tracks are sharp....however they are not that swinging as a Friul or MK, but as a standard one piece track hey are well detailed and very flexible, with the correct paint work they are very serviceable!
Keep going Adam, are you on ML?
I'm not on Missing lInks yet. I should be. I have a ton of Dragon Panther kits as well. Plan to do a Panther version of this vid too, but I'm not as good with Panthers as Tigers. I prefer workable tracks as well, but Friul is just a bit too pricey for all my builds.
Interesting to note that I am buying these same box kits from within China, and the contents are different. Perhaps Dragon supplies different components depending on the region of export, which might explain why some of you guys get extra goodies and others do not.
Can you give me some specific differences. I'd love to know what people get in other parts of the world.
Very informative. Im an out of the box modeler but i'd like to dip my hands into the details and technical things especially when i like the subject model once in awhile. Do you review aircraft kits as well? Three thumbs up.
IvanTheTerrible Thank you very much. I don't review aircraft, I've honestly only ever built a handful. I'm an armor guy.
No worries. Apologies on that. Your armor reviews are more than enough and i am grateful.
IvanTheTerrible
I only don't build aircraft because I haven't the skill or patience yet. There are plenty I'd like to.
Can you please enable comments on your videos "Ivan"? Pls
Hi Dan Kov. Pleasant day to you mate. You can reach me at my gmail address at my IvanTheTerrible page.
Good review. It helped me decide which tiger tanks to buy. I noticed the initial tiger was the only one with 3 outer road wheels, everything after has 4. Is that correct?
They all have the same amount of wheels until the steel wheels were introduced. They are just commonly removed on the first station.
Thank you for making this vid, its a great way to see the differences (or lack thereof?) in the kits ~ great info.
Have you built any of the Academy tigers? In particular i'm thinking of the 2 with interior detail parts included.
+hagakure81 I did try to build the interior early from Academy. I would stay away from that if I were you. The newer Rye Field kit with interior is better, but does cost more. I'll be making a sequel to this video as newer tiger kits have come out since I made this. If you have a look at my videos on the channel they are all reviewed here though.
Ok, thanks for that.
Yes I did see the Rye Field - looks great, but as you say its reflected in the price. Its on my wish list anyway :)
+Adam Mann Could I ask your assistance a bit beyond this video. I draw attention to the sections of your video regarding 6253 (Tiger 3-in-1 with extras), and 6406, which in your words, is the same kit, minus the goodies.
I have just received a 6253 kit, however, in the box, it does not have the goodies box, like metal barrel, shackles etc. It does have PE grills, and few other PE bits. It has the [H] sprues with the tracks, but also DS tracks. Also, the decals sheet is not what I see on other pictures it should be, it is smaller, with less options.
The box says it is 6253, and even the (in my opinion) reduced decals sheet has 6253 written on it. The PE bits (excluding the grills) come one a sheet MA-6700 (if this has any meaning to you).
So, my thinking is, I have gotten 6406, but packaged in a 6253 box.
But then in 18:16 in your video you have the instruction sheet side by side of 6253 and 6406. My instruction sheet looks more like 6406 as is shows the DS tracks and MB metal grills on the bottom, but it clearly is printed Kit 6253.
Dragon site itself makes no mention of metal barrel etc anymore in this kit (6253)... It's all quite confusing - so my question is; since making this video, did Dragon rebox 6253 with less bits and call it the same thing, or am I being taken for a ride by the seller?
I appreciate you taking the time to help with this, if you can.
+hagakure81 dragon recently reboxed 6253 without the goodies, and you are exactly right it is essentially 6406. They should have renumbered the kit or made mention of the changes. I'm going to make a second video since they did this after I made this video.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Thats a pretty dirty trick in my opinion. I've just gone thru the list and there is a lot missing.
And yes, if they were going to rebox, they should have put a different number on it.
I've been looking at this the last hour or so, from your video, to reviews showing the parts etc. This is my conclusion:
It is essentially kit 6406, as you said the sprues are essentially the same.
Missing from it are the magic tracks, instead you get DS tracks. The DS tracks do have the hole in them, not the solid horns.
Missing is the goodies box. So no metal barrel, shackles, steel wire, PE fenders and exhaust shrouds.
The PE that is included is metal grills, and a small sheet marked MA-6700. Further in your video you do cover kit 6700, I take it they simply threw the PE from 6700 into the "new" 6253.
The decal sheet is substantially less than what I have seen for 6253. However I don't have either 6406 or 6700 to tell you if this is what has been thrown in the kit or not.
I can confirm that none of the kit pieces have zimmerit included, so its not pieces from 6700. At least for the hull etc.
There is no figure with this kit.
There are not transparent styrene parts.
from misc.kitreview.com/armourreviews/dml6253reviewcs_1.htm I got the following list. I'll mark an [x] next to what IS in the kit, anything else is missing. www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=997 has pictures of the sprues etc. to crossreference.
A 26 (Tiger I generic) [x]
B 40 (Tiger I generic) [x]
C 39 (Tiger I Late) [x]
D 30 (Tiger I Late) (turret) [x]
E 35 (Tiger I Late) [x]
F 8 (Tiger I Late) [x]
G 31 x 2 (Tiger I Late) [x]
g 4 (Command antenna [x]
H 54 x 4 (Tiger I Late) [x]
J 38 (Tiger I generic) [x]
K 12 (Tiger I Late) (hull) [x]
L 2 (Command antenna [x]
L 12 (Tiger I generic)
M 14 (8.8 cm common)
MA 149 Etched brass (Tiger I Late)
MB 34 Etched brass (German OVM)
MC 26 Etched brass (8.8 cm common)
MD 38 Etched brass (Tiger I Late)
ME 1 Aluminum barrel
ME 1 Spring
ME 14 Turned brass
ME 14 Preformed brass
ME 8 White metal
ME 1 Prebent wire
ME 4 etched brass
MF 8 Figure
N 2 (Command antenna)s [x]
P 39 (Late) [x]
Q 12 (8.8 cm common)
R 15 (Tiger I Late)
S 9 (Tiger I Late)
U 2 (Tiger I Late)
TA 5 (German OVM)
TB 9 (German OVM) [x]
TC 4 (German OVM)
TD 4 (German OVM)
TE 4 (German OVM)
Y 180 (MagicTrack)
X 1 (Tiger I generic)
Figure 15 (Tiger I Late)
great informative vid. yes, you hav a point, why pay so much for one kit, when yuo could get a cheap basic one and buy after market parts latr.
Exactly. You can save quite a bit of money if you understand how Dragon do these kits.
Hi Adam do you know if they make two different 6252 one with pe and metal barrel and one without them ?
Hey Adam liked your video looking for a good tiger kit but was lost with all that I seen I'm thinking of the kits with yellow bands on boxes with aftermarket tracks ! ?
Hi Adam,
You know the correct position for the tiger 1 idler Wheel?
Thanks!
i have 4 tigers
tamiya motorized, tamiya no motor, academy early with interior, and dragon early 6730
tamiya ones i built, currently working on the academy then the dragon to be last
all this talk about magic tracks makes me want to try it
i only have the rubberized tracks
i dont mind drilling out each solid piece if it needs to be
besides, i/m planning on a diorama showing a crew working on it so ill be needing extra pieces scattered on the ground
Shouldn’t you change your name to Tiger Mann? Just a thought...
Question; if you had to chose today’s kits which ones would you use for the evolutionary path of the Tigers (those that saw action) from initial to late?
I still prefer some things about Dragon, but in will admit some things rye field does better. But usually I'd pick recent Dragon kits that are post 6700.
Thanks, but I was always 7nder the impression from watching your vids that some of the older kits are actually better? (Magic tracks over DS for example, also turret halves vs slide molded...)
I was trying to get a list from you though; all the way from initial to late in terms of what kits would you chose for each ‘Ausfuerung’.
Post 6700? That doesn’t leave many Tigers?
thanks
Good video bud , usefull info !!! Cheers
Panzerbuilder Thanks man. I've been a part of a lot of "which Tiger should I buy?" threads so I thought I'd just make a video about it.
Adam Mann very good idea , I have two tigers in my stash, full interior one and the initial from dragon...but for sure your video is more than helpfull. Cheers
Great video, thanks for making it. Have you seen or heard anything about the Tamiya Late Version Tiger I, kit #25401?
+KEM451 You're very welcome, I'll have to do an updated version of this as many Tiger kits have come out in the last year. 25401 is a rebox of 35146 with figures.