The first sentence that John spoke is the beautiful truth. He didn’t need to say anything else. Thank God that he has had a plan from the beginning. Glory be to the father.
@@Android-ds9ie Thing is, even you`re not picked by God, and you`re totally pre-determined if we watch us "outside" our system, we still have free will in our materialistic system, so there is no point to complain about God being injustice (even though He is just) - you`re TOTALLY free to not listen to God, preachers and even me - your choice what matters.
@@dan78789 Please, extract God from this thought. Lets pretend your mother started it all and gave you the rules, and your brothers disobey them. Do you still be complaining about your mother being responsible for the evil?
Pastor John you may never read this but know that you are an inspiration to me, very rarely have I experienced such biblical truth as spoken from you, glory to god for his masterful plan for the redemption of man through the cross. I listen to you every day, and your expression of the word strikes at my heart on multiple chords and gives me strength to continually renew my mind and seek with more passion everyday the truth that is Jesus. Be blessed in all that you do my brother in Christ.
@@DBozza. God's plan contains so many things and there are many holes in Bible that doesnt provide anwer for everything. Our mind cant fathom what God has created and why. So many questions (why, for what, what am i missing?). But I found the most important answers there by God's grace.
I hear time and time again that this or that (including sin) was not a part of God's Plan for us. God had a plan, a perfect plan, even before anything in this universe was created. If we say that anything (including sin) was not part of His plan, then His plan was imperfect - something happened that was outside of His plan. I believe that is unthinkable. So, I see it as a non-brainer that sin was a part of God's plan even before the beginning. Without sin, there would have been no reason for God to send Jesus here to redeem us.
In all my years of being a Christian I have come to find recently that trying to figure God out either through Calvinism Arminiunism or Molinism is a huge distraction and sometimes I dare say a waste of time because it takes time and study away from us being ambassadors of Christ. Paul's warning in 2:14 although directed at heresy is appropriate for these kinds of arguments that amount to no more than belly button gazing. and it confuses and troubles the faithful. "Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen." 2 Tim. 2;14
Exactly, that's how I feel after I start digging more and more in an understanding God's ultimate plan or his behaviour or actions, thinking about unimaginable universal things etc., it strays me from more important task and that's sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ to people or learning to be better Christian.
@@ManlyServant My contention is with people like John Piper who says, every single thing that happens on planet earth is caused by God. He gives the example of tiny dust particles in a beam of light. Piper says God controls the very movement of each tiny particle. Or James White who has said, "If a man brutally rapes a young girl, God caused it. If not, then it was a meaningless, random act." Jeff Durbin says, God is not partially sovereign, He is not half-sovereign, He is sovereignly sovereign. Meaning, like Piper and White, every single thing that happens is caused by God. If you follow that logic through, you have God saying to Adam and Eve, "Do not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..." and then He causes them to do that very thing. You have God saying, "Have no other gods before me." AND then He makes countless billions worship Allah, Buddha, or one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Again, if you carry this through, you have God, who is LOVE, who is Holy and Righteous, causing, murder, rape, child molestation, drugs, alcohol, prostitution, human trafficking, not to mention, the belief in atheism. Allowing something to happen, UNTIL it is dealt with on Judgment Day, is NOT the same as causing it to happen.
One minute in and I have the answer to a question that's been lingering in my mind 😁 yes, God truly is amazing, unexplainable amazing. He planned sin so we would get to know and experience how amazing He is.
As I understand Piper’s logic: - God planned sin for man. - Man could not avoid sin. - Therefore, God passes judgment and punishes man for the sin which God created. Really? I guess I should punish my daughter for the car accident she'll have because I removed the lug nuts from the wheels.
The problem with your logic here is you are trying to apply your simple situation to a much more complex situation that only God himself can handle your mind is too limited to the things of God you will not understand it as I don’t fully understand it myself but that’s where faith comes in trusting an all knowing without error God…
Can we truly know love in a perfect world? If we are raised in a family where everything is given to us we take things for granted...but if we then stepped outside that world where we experience loss, that is when we recognize most what we have/had. The saying you never know what you have until it's gone. The next question, God does not tempt, but he placed temptation in front of them with the tree of knowledge. Like chocolate cake your spouse puts in the fridge when you are trying to lose weight.
But there is a difference between us and god. God knows all choices that will be made your spouse doesn’t. So that means god knew they would eat the fruit before he created it.
Were humans, God is not human. He could have created a world where we would know his love without having to suffer or fail but he decided to do it this way. In the end we won't really even be thinking about this world once we are with the Lord so its almost like it never mattered. Could have done it from the beginning but since he's in complete control he can do whatever he wants
“The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.” Proverbs 16:4 ESV “What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-” Romans 9:14-23 ESV
@jparkerwillis Everyone (sigh) my goodness God's Will and your Individual Free-Will can co-exist as a Christian, no-one is created to be slaves we were all created to be free, its just Church Authority created the first true Christian Slavery, #Anti Church Authority...
We were very carefully designed by God (on the first Friday afternoon). He spent several minutes working out how to connect all our brain cells. If our brains don't work properly, we have only one person to blame. Never buy a car that was made on Friday afternoon.
I can't thank God enough for His servant's Christocentric Biblical exposition sadly rare in our day of vile egocentrism. I was just shockingly kicked out of my church 8/3/13 for daring to oppose feminist church "authority" (the usual feminist "shut up" they "explained") in asking why 1 Tim 2:12 wasn't authoritative today in disallowing women to be in authority over men! My mom's pastor dad was also kicked out of his church for preaching the Gospel. It must run in the family! Soli Deo Gloria!
Although I admire John Piper for being daring and corageous when he preaches a biblical and god-centered worldview, I am left with a question: Does this all mean that sin and evil was necessary to magnify God`s glory? Because we are taught to hate evil because evil is a thing that God hates, and therefore if God hates evil then the world would be better off without it (that's the common logic). So how is the christian supposed to see evil? Should we see evil as something we should rejoice for its existence because it is there to magnify God's glory? (it`s almost as if evil isn`t evil at all in God`s perspective because it magnifies His glory). Or should we see evil as an aberration with God`s universe? I wish John Piper could help me out with this!
Evil doesn't glorify God the same way as praise and obedience. It glorifies Him by means of contrast whereby His holiness and overall character are magnified by contrast to evil. It glorifies Him by providing opportunity to reveal His wrath and power; "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction?" Romans 9:22 I see it like the wisdom God gave Solomon being revealed when Solomon judged the two women fighting over custody of a child. The situation existed because of the covetousness and lies of the woman falsely claiming to be the mother. In short, this entire scenario, from creation to the fall, to all the pain and suffering, to final judgment, to the marriage supper of the Lamb, eternal life of believers with our Lord on the new Earth, and the eternal destruction of unbelievers; All of that reveals God's character more thoroughly than any other possible scenario thus, He is glorified to the utmost.
Kaleo Mariz this is my dilemma too bro, been struggling a lot lately, kept praying but feeling really helpless here. If sin is a necessity to magnify God's attributes/glory seems like we were programmed to fail from the beginning. Sometimes it feels like we humans were created just as a bet between God & setan to see who chooses whom?😞
2:20, can you produce anything? Doesn't God get ALL the glory because He has determined who will be wimpy or not? Or can they choose do press in to God more or fall away?
* *Sin* (Which is something way more profound than I thought) *Sin* is the absence of God and with God there’s holiness, there’s abundance of virtue, there healing there’s freedom. The difference between living in sin and living in Christ is that living in sin is living without the coordination of God. The problem lies in the mind, the heart and soul. Which are the 3 most vital points of a man’s life in the spiritual life and everything. The main issue here is that these 3 components are what the gospel is all about the parables of Jesus Christ and the seed of God the fertile ground everything. The problem is that people don’t know the main root of all sin trying to decipher sin it’s like fighting an abyss after an abyss. Satan’s specialty is in targeting the first component the (mind) darkening the minds of those who don’t know God (unbelievers) Deviating the path of the (believer) if the person is not Careful The word repentance is the changing and the renewal of one’s mind There’s a reason why the helmet of salvation is in this area the head. Sin is the disconnection of God from the fall of Adam and everything that’s absent from God is doing things from a state of confusion and without light and being clueless thus resulting in being hurt and having no direction of every choice you commit. Which will also result in all the fruits of the flesh. The reason why people sin or are in sin is because their minds have been targeted by Satan clouding their judgement and understanding and this is the sole reason why they interpret things in a wrong negative light. The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things even the devil himself which is one of the instruments that the devil uses. The main target of Satan is the soul mind will and emotions the problem is when the mind will and emotions are corrupted and people need a reset of knowledge of good and evil again. The need to know right from wrong again the solution to this is found in the word of God. Which is live and active sharper than any two edged sword and divides the soul the heart mind and will differentiate between the thoughts and the intentions of the heart. What this is saying is that you’re going to have a soul cleansing surgery a spiritual surgery and there’s a huge difference between the thoughts and the intentions of the heart. The word of God is the divine powerful supernatural blade that will aid you in this surgery. The thoughts in the mind and the evil traces of the influence in the air that pop in your mind by this sinful world and the current of it. They sometimes contaminate the heart confusing you about your identity and clogging your mind the Bible says that if you believe in the Christ according to the scriptures out of Your heart will flow rivers of living waters. The Bible also says that God is the solution for this. The thoughts is like a fishbowl it needs its water taken out throughout time so that the fish don’t get contaminated and the water. The word of God purifies you It cleanses your mind and heart and soul and when the soul is free when the surgery is done you will find that you’ll have an abundance of peace that surpasses all understanding heaven on earth that’s what happens if you surrender your mind will and emotions to God the word of God. It is not as hard as it looks. It’s sad that even the street preacher falls under this. What’s normal and right: Confidence and humility: which is way different than pride, humility is being genuine being peaceful and being a real authentic human being. Pride is that negative essence that is what Satan is made of the influence responsible for people that want to gaslight you and make you believe that there’s something wrong with you it falls along with narcissism and toxic individuals who want to strip you of your value. After the fall of Adam money came and everyone now needs to pay each other in order to do favors as if they have no value and nothing is free Jesus came to restore this. Love&Marriage: What both street preachers and people who don’t know God get wrong and is the sole reason why those rioters are the way they are is because of this root cause it’s the core essence of everything in life. Ever since the beginning of creation the Garden of Eden God and the church the same way Adam and Eve were at the beginning. Sex is not wrong! The very essence of sex is spiritual life is about this and the whole story of the cosmos revolves around this the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross and everything meaning that the same way an addict who is addicted to drugs alcohol and has a dark depression and are on the verge of suicide and then Jesus rescues that person the same way is with marriage it’s one of the things that makes us human. The man must be that light and so is the woman that will uplift each other and sex is one of the healing things that they both do two different life’s two different person’s merging into one and when it’s a true marriage it is the masterpiece of God when the two fall in love the two become all fired up the two have two different stories of their lives and traits that both want to share as a result of this comes the offspring the mixture of the two lives together a new life Unity&life, : We have to learn about Unity and comeback to it. There’s a lot of things that are right and a lot of things that are wrong I might text too much but the point I’m trying to make is that when when someone tells you stop living in sin and get right with God is like saying a half truth mixed with lies. Because where’s Jesus in this equation? Saying this without Jesus is like saying stop living in sin ( meaning that I challenge you to fight the forces of hell and stand by your truth without the gps or the weapons of Christ and get right with God overcome death on your own save yourself I challenge you to break free from your prison without the key) because sin is the absence of God the absence of the seed of God and all the words of Jesus Christ the absence of the bread of heaven and people become empty and depressed and what’s inside peoples’ heart is what’s going to come out of their mouths. The main first floor is the mind and the devil likes to blind peoples mind to obscure the point of view of life in general. I wouldn’t come to street preach just to debate. I would street preach to preach the truth and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. The truth never meant to hurt the truth never meant to condemn the truth does nothing but to set you free. This what Jesus came to do to destroy the (Works of the evil one) before street preaching you must battle this in the spirit not in the flesh and if you do this in the flesh you’ll end up bickering with people who have darkened minds and when you argue with a fool you’ll become like him. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. The truth is like a sword that breaks the chains of darkness that blinds the minds of the individual and sets them free.
Then why God becomes angry on us when we sin and if he is all knowing then he already knew that adam would disobey and that Lucifer would fall from Glory... That cain will kill abel then why did he executed a plan that he knew would fail? And why does he allow all those little children die in shooting and other disastrous stuff that happens out there in the world? Can anyone please answer that.? I am reading the book and these are the questions that are coming to my mind.
I'm very confused and I've had people try to explain it but it hasn't worked, maybe some one here can put it into words I get. If God is all powerful why couldn't he accomplish the same end goal as he's going for without creating living, thinking creatures that have to suffer. If he hates sin so much and he's all powerful and could accomplish his goal an infinite number of ways then why is this our reality. To me it seems like we're just his entertainment and without conflict there is no entertainment. But I want to here the other side and really understand where you are coming from.
Ok, so admittedly the idea is somewhat abstract. God is an entity unlike ourselves and his thoughts and actions are almost impossible for us to fully comprehend as mortals. When boiled down, the idea begins to become much easier to see. Sin exists for the same reason that darkness does, because without it the good, or light in this example would be impossible to exist. God gave his creation the power of free will, for without it we would be nothing more than robots. Sin allows for us to make decisions and by denying sins and realizing that we have made them in the past it demonstrates that we are in need of a savior and are really the only ones to blame for our elvil acts. It allows us to feel love and compassion in a way that would be impossible without the bad to contrast.
Matt E is it okay if I aska free questions about that? It may sound like argument but I'm genuinely trying to understand and there are just a few things I'm still confused by.
Matt E thanks, I really appreciate it. You said it would be impossible to show God's mercy without contrast but if God is all powerful how could it be impossible?
I think Calvinists' faith are too much put on God's glory, or the sovereignty of God, rather on the gospel. Christ's glory is most manifested through his dying and rising for sinners. God is for us. We shoulnt talk God's glory without being gospel-centered. God's glory is for us and sin is not in his intentional will. He knew sin, but He also planned the salvation over his knowlege of sin. We are predestined to be saved to enjoy his glory while sin is a means, which hummans made, for Christ's glory to be shining more.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Lamentations 3:33 For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone. Ezekiel 18:23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? John 3:16 For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. A Final thought, why would Jesus include in the Our Father Prayer "Your Kingdom come Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" if His will was already always being done.
The false teaching that God decreed sin from the beginning does not come from the Bible, but comes from the following philosophical presuppositions of men. 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history-whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)-come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ-is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism". 7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism". 8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986 Finally we have JOHN CALVIN: John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil. 1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5. 2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. 3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4. 4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.
+bob polo The word "evil" in the context of Old Testament passages means "disaster" and "calamity" that God brings about as punishment as a direct result of people's wickedness, disobedience, and unfaithfulness. The book of Jeremiah is the most revealing: 1) Jeremiah 1:14, 16 - 14 Then the Lord said unto me, Out of the north an EVIL shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land. 16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands. 2) Jeremiah 5:19 - 19 And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, WHEREFORE DOETH THE LORD OUR GOD ALL THESE THINGS UNTO US? then shalt thou answer them, Like AS YE HAVE FORSAKEN ME, and SERVED STRANGE GODS in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not your's. 3) Jeremiah 6:19 - 19 Hear, O earth: behold, I WILL BRING EVIL upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HEARKENED UNTO MY WORDS, NOR TO MY LAW, BUT REJECTED IT. 4) Jeremiah 9:12-14 - 12 Who is wise enough to understand this? Who has been instructed by the Lord and can explain it? WHY HAS THE LAND BEEN RUINED AND LAID WASTE like a desert that no one can cross? 13 The Lord said, “It is because they have forsaken my law, which I set before them; they have not obeyed me or followed my law. 14 Instead, they have followed the stubbornness of their hearts; they have followed the Baals, as their ancestors taught them.” 5) Jeremiah 11:10-11 - 10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: thehouse of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers. 11 Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I WILL BRING EVIL UPON THEM, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them. 6) Jeremiah 11:17 - 17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, HATH PRONOUNCED EVIL AGAINST THEE, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in OFFERING INCENSE UNTO BAAL. 7) Jeremiah 16:10-12 - 10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD PRONOUNCED ALL THIS GREAT EVIL AGAINST US? OR WHAT IS OUR INIQUITY? OR WHAT IS OUR SIN THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST THE LORD OUR GOD? 11 Then shalt thou say unto them, BECAUSE YOUR FATHERS HAVE FORSAKEN ME, saith the Lord, and HAVE WALKED AFTER OTHER GODS, AND HAVE SERVED THEM, AND HAVE WORSHIPED THEM, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law; 12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me: 8) Jeremiah 18:11-12 - 11 “Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a DISASTER for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways,each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions.’ 12 But they will reply, ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our own plans; we will all follow the stubbornness of our evil hearts.’' 9) Jeremiah 19:3-5 - 3 And say, Hear ye the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I WILL BRING EVIL UPON THIS PLACE the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. 4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to BURN THEIR SONS WITH FIRE for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 10) Jeremiah 19:15 - 15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the EVIL that I have pronounced against it, BECAUSE THEY HAVE HARDENED THEIR NECKS, that they might not hear my words. 11) Jeremiah 22:8-9 - 8 And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS GREAT CITY? 9 Then they shall answer, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COVENANT OF THE LORD THEIR GOD, AND WORSHIPED OTHER GODS, AND SERVED THEM. 12) Jeremiah 32:23 - 23 They came in and took possession of it, but they did not obey you or follow your law; they did not do what you commanded them to do. So you brought all this DISASTER on them. 13) Jeremiah 35:17 - 17 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the EVIL that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered. 14) Jeremiah 36:3 - 3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear ALL THE EVIL WHICH I PURPOSE TO DO UNTO THEM; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin. 15) Jeremiah 40:2-3 - 2 And the captain of the guard took Jeremiah, and said unto him, The Lord thy God HATH PRONOUNCED THIS EVIL UPON THIS PLACE. 3 Now the Lord hath brought it, and done according as he hath said: BECAUSE YE HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD, AND HAVE NOT OBEYED HIS VOICE, THEREFORE THIS THING IS COME UPON YOU. 16) Jeremiah 44:2-5 - 2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen ALL THE EVIL THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UPON JERUSALEM, AND UPON ALL THE CITIES OF JUDAH; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein, 3 Because of their WICKEDNESS which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to BURN INCENSE, and to SERVE OTHER GODS, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers. 4 Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. 5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods. 17) Jeremiah 44:10-11 - 10 To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence,nor have they followed my law and the decrees I set before you and your ancestors. 11 “Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined TO BRING DISASTER ON YOU AND TO DESTROY ALL JUDAH. 18) Jeremiah 44:23 - 23 BECAUSE YE HAVE BURNED INCENSE, AND BECAUSE YE HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD, AND HAVE NOT OBEYED THE VOICE OF THE LORD, NOR WALKED IN HIS LAW, NOR IN THIS STATUTES, NOR IN HIS TESTIMONIES; THEREFORE THIS EVIL IS HAPPENED UNTO YOU, AS TO THIS DAY. 19) 2 Chronicles 7:21-22 KJV - 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, WHY HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND, AND UNTO THIS HOUSE? 22 And it shall be answered, BECAUSE THEY FORSOOK THE LORD GOD OF THEIR FATHERS, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and LAID HOLD ON OTHER GODS, AND WORSHIPED THEM, AND SERVED THEM: therefore hath he brought all this EVIL upon them. 20) 2 Chronicles 34:24-25 - 24 ‘This is what the Lord says: I am going to bring DISASTER on this place and its people-all the curses written in thebook that has been read in the presence of the king of Judah. 25 BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN ME AND BURNED INCENSE TO OTHER GODS and aroused my anger by all that their hands have made, my anger will be poured out on this place and will not be quenched.’ 21) Isaiah 3:11 - Woe to the wicked! DISASTER is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done. 22) 1 Kings 9:8-9 - 8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, WHY HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND, AND TO THIS HOUSE? 9 And they shall answer, BECAUSE THEY FORSOOK THE LORD THEIR GOD, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have TAKEN HOLD UPON OTHER GODS, and HAVE WORSHIPED THEM, AND SERVED THEM: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this EVIL.
If adam was made capable of withstanding the temptation he was presented with, there would be no sin ,yet there is , adam had enate shortcomings obviously, you cannot say otherwise with any validity.
If I can't understand God how can I possibly praise and worship him? What exactly am I praising and worshiping? If everything is based on faith then why not have faith in Zeus? Why does this God get all this blind faith and not other ones when the questions get tough?
ik this is a 2 year old comment but first of all God is the only God there is and there is evidence to prove that like people have seen Jesus or miracles have happened by God before. we worship God because He deserves it and just like a human relationship we have to know God to love Him and respect Him more
Calvinists contradict themselves and there is DOUBLE TALK in regards to whether or not God's plan includes sin. 1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches that God is not the responsible author of evil, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14. 2) "God is neither the author of sin, nor sanctions it (approves of it). He is not responsible for sin, though He decreed it. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991. 3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1 4) Westminster Confession of Faith, IV under "Of Providence", bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and not from God, who, being most holy and righteous, neither is nor can be the author or approver of sin." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith. 1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234 2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88. 3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961). 4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249 5) Edwin Palmer - "It is even Biblical to say that God has foreordained sin. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82 6) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986. 7) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965. 8) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986 Finally we have JOHN CALVIN: John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil. 1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5. 2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11. 3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4. 4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.
It's the Bible that is saying these things because that's what we find there; dual realities without apology. Paul answered the question of how God operates by pretty much saying that we should shut our mouths; "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?" Romans 9:21-22
@@Android-ds9ie Your conclusion is not logically necessary. Afterall, we're dealing with an infinite, transcendent being. He is not limited to time and space like we are. In the end, we are the offenders in need of forgiveness, having offended an infinitely holy being. We have no idea how wicked we are and what peril we face unless we put our full trust and faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on behalf of all who believe.
@@hughjanus2781 Infinite power and infinite knowledge is already set up (by human comprehension) to make no sense whatsoever. Our fallible understanding of sovereignty isn’t an effective way of describing Gods attributes, which is why it isn’t a good excuse to refute what OP said
I believe God is perfect. I believe God is holy. I also believe God is just and a fair. I believe he is all powerful. I don’t believe God created sin or evil. I don’t believe God created Satan intentionally so he could use his sin to magnify himself. That’s not biblical. The Bible says that Lucifer was created perfect and holy. I don’t believe that God is so cheap and low that he has to use evil to show his goodness and glory. The angels still in heaven have not sinned and yet they magnify God in his presence. So those who believe that God uses sickness and evil and created it to show his wonderful characteristics about himself. That in itself is a sin. Therefore, God is no longer just and fair. Therefore, God is no longer perfect. Therefore, Jesus is no longer a holy and worthy sacrifice and God himself cannot judge the world and the sin because he himself has fallen to sin. God would no longer be qualified to judge to the world. In the same way in this world and it’s system you have to have certain qualifications and requirements to become a Supreme Court judge. How much more is expected of God in order for him to have the authority and right to judge the universe?
This makes since💯 I need to talk to you I’m searching for answers to live holy besides living based off Christianity which isn’t working. I don’t want to live by following rules. I want my souls to want it but satans grip is hard & I need to leave it. What’s you’re contact info??
Something people need to understand, without sin there are countless attributes of God we would not see. Mercy, Grace, Justice, Kidness, Wrath, Patience, etc.. Only in a world with sin can thoes attributes of God be on display. Sin is ultimately for the glory of God. Period.
So innocent children raped murdered slavery starvation all happen so god can brag about how good he is? Even though we live in world where there is no evidence that a god even exist…… brilliant
@@hughjanus2781 I know, your soooo right. I assume these simple questions should be easy for someone as "brilliant" as you. 1. Please explain YOUR created world where there is free will with no option for pain or suffering. 2. Please explain, without psydo-science, how billion-year-old soup comes alive. 3. If you found, sitting on a table, on the moon of Jupitor, a Mac Airbook, running and plugged into a solar panel. Would you conclude, wow! look what time made.... or would you say what intelligent being left this thing running? just curious?
His glory? Why does god deserve praise? 1. Because he is powerful? Then you are praising him for something that he naturally is he didn’t work hard to become god beating out the other gods to rule over us. 2. Because he created us? Ok so he purposely created a weaker life form just to be worshipped? That’s sadistic and narcissistic. So which one is it?
what if you dont want an eternal life in heaven? and just wants to live your life here right now, without the limitation of religion but within bounds of the law.
Danilo Gustilo then your end will be what you were before God created you, nothing, none existent. God will still use you as he is right now, but not that he made you this way, you chose what you are either light or darkness. Now that you know you make the choice to live in darkness or light, we should be happy he has given us life to see this day, to see his plan unfold. Peace be on to you i hope you make the right choice.
When God's show us wrong things like he doesn't like it but what he wants us to realize our sins and when we realize that's lead to repentance and salvation and forgiveness of god and thats why sin has role not to commit it willfully it has only a role
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” Isaiah 45:6-7 KJV 🤔
I think he has it confused. He is saying that the fall was an afterthought once he decided to decree the death of Christ... sounds stupid and its not biblical. God decreed the crucifixion because he knew Adam would sin.
If it was all Gods plan, if he knew we would sin - then why is not everybody saved. He must have known not everyone would accept Jesus as lord and savour. That's the last problem I have with the consensus. Pls help me here with your opinions.
God in His sovereignty gives us enough free will to choose to accept Him and His Christ, or reject God's ONLY pardon for our sin: Christ dying on the cross. Remember just because God knows everything doesn't mean He causes everything.
He did, God allows sin to happen so that His love can better be seen. Without sin there is no bad, and without bad the good is impossible to see. You have to realize that sin is not a thing, it's just the opposite of good, or rather the absence of it. Just like darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good and therfore must exist.
He gifted Men the ability to think intelligently and have freewill. With freewill and higher intelligence, comes decisions; with decisions comes choices. Choices comes with correct things and wrong things. God gave us the ability to have a higher intelligence with conditions to follow his will. This is our responsibility. In contrast, a dog can make choices but wasn't given wisdom. Sinning is one of the abilities that differentiate you from plants and animals.
Bryan Taylor Not necessarily, I think. If God decided to remove all his commandments (or didn't give one) in heaven, which means letting people do what they want without condition, then there wouldn't be anything to transgress God (sinning). But in Heaven, people will be done with all the tests and challenges that we experienced on earth. I can only guess that people will become ignorant of anything we consider evil/sin on earth. Maybe evil things and thoughts wouldn't be part of people's intelligence in heaven or maybe we wouldn't have freewill with our new forms and wouldn't need anything except God's love when we get in heaven.
Arc Sata So God was lonely, created sin, then created man knowing already each person's every single action and choices before they were even born, became enraged when Adam and Eve did what he had already planned for them to do, then he birthed himself, then sacrificed himself to himself to atone for the sin that he created? For an all powerful God who could literally create an infinite number of different realities for us he chose this scenario because he was lonely and wanted people to worship him for all eternity? It seems like God could have figured out a WAY better system than what we have to learn about love, good and evil. But instead we are given a book that was written by men, nobody agrees on the translations, and if you don't believe the perfect, exact, right way then this all loving God will send you to hell where your flesh will rot and you will suffer the most excruciating torture than mankind cannot even fathom. I was a Christian for 30+ years. When you step back and finally look at Christianity from an outside perspective you realize that it sounds just as crazy as most of the other religions. I might have actually been okay with Christianity if it wasn't for the "love and worship me or burn in hell". If it wasn't for the threat of eternal damnation I genuinely wonder how many followers Christianity would have today.
We who plant and water the seed - the gift of God, Salvation, do not produce wimpy Christians. GOD produces the increase, when the true Gospel is delivered, and the true Gospel is not Calvinism, which implicates God as the author of sin - inconsistent with his very Word in so many places, especially in 1 John 2:16. We are responsible for our sin and resultant deaths from such. It's called ownership. We're slaves to sin, unless we choose to accept that the gift offered to us, in Christ, is true. The bridegroom desires his bride - white as snow, without spot or blemish; yet, if she, being we - the body of Christ, are guilty in one sin, the entire body is guilty of all such sins as have ever been committed. That's the Bride of Frankenstein! Praise be to God, whosoever believes - God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. That's the gift - Salvation. Christ is sufficient, through whose blood, alone, are we made without blemish, into the corporate body of the bride - fit to be wed. The wedding banquet table has already been set - no argument there. Who will attend? Whosoever believes - makes us clean - Christ; wherein, our belief is what seals us in the Holy Spirit, and nothing can pluck us from God's hand. We are predetermined to make an eternal decision, predicated on a long line of predetermined things - though none, terminating our free will, but death. That's why it is so important to understand that the Holy Spirit prays for you in mutterings we do not even understand, and - will not suffer us to condemn ourselves, as 1 John 3:20 reminds us, which is the Holy Spirit's job, to remind us of everything Jesus spoke, especially what he said in John 16:33 "I have spoken these things to you, that in me you might have peace; in the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world." And also, "greater is he that is in me, than he that is in the world," 1 John 4:4. "My kingdom is not of this world," answered Jesus to Pilate, "otherwise..." God is not a liar and will not be mocked with the false accusation that he meticulously planned the raping of an 88 year old, great grandmother, and killing of her, in order to so exalt his glory beyond such things, that we might all the more - trust him with our eternal fates. Trust - him, for what? That we live forevermore with he who authored the raping and killing of an 88 year old grandmother, and all such else as is, in the world; yet, the scriptures - "such are not of the Father"??? I have no doubt you are sincere John Piper, and your love, great for God; yet your zeal has made you blind, in endeavoring so; instead of, contrarily, just believing the gift of God is Salvation, most assuredly predetermined, in order that God's joy abound - and every angel sing, when one sinner repents and is converted, when choosing to believe - Christ risen and us forgiven, whosoever believes.
Now this could be a possibility if there is a God this could be a possibility what if he had sin in the plan I thought of that too but who's to say there is a God
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
There are many more scriptures that plainly teach the One True God created evil, here are three below, the main problem with Christianity is they teach that Evil is eternal(as in their many translations plainly say) and not like it really is and that is....................evil is Eonian. Isaiah 45.7 the Former of light, and Creator of darkness, the Maker of peace, and Creator of evil: I am YHWH, the Maker of all these. Amos 3.5 Does a bird fall on a trap of the earthland, and for him was no snare of a catching implement? Does a trap spring up from the adamah, and capturing it does not capture? Amos 3.6 Or will be blasted with the shofar in the city, and the people do not tremble? Or comes to be an evil in the city, and YHWH has not done it? 2 King i6.33 He was still wording with them, and here!, the commissioner was going down to him; and he spoke: Here!, this is the evil from YHWH; what should I wait for YHWH any longer? Evil as death and failance (translated as "sin" in the popular Versions) and all enemies have a beginning and a finishing, they are NOT “Eternal” as in having no beginning and no finishing. May the Lord unveil to the individual and to all(which He WILL eventually) the truth that the one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word Aion is not to be rendered "eternal", or the plural Greek word AIONS rendered "Eternal"(which should be the eternities in their translations) they would come out of inferior translations like the KJV and many other Versions, and come into a better well-announcement, (Or "Gospel" as in the KJV). The only other version besides the Dabhar Literal Translation(DLT) (that I know of) that rendered this one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word AION as Eon and Eons respectively, is the Concordant Literal Version(CLV)(which can be found on-line). The Youngs Literal Translation renders these words as AGE and AGES which is better and more accurate then "Eternal" but not as accurate as EON(singular) or Eons(plural). Here is a word concept on EVIL, from the Version named The Dabhar Literal Translation. evil/ be - [r; [ra‘] ka The basic stem [r; be evil (Pr24.18) is also translated be smashed (Is24.19), and as active verb smash (Ps2.9). The causal stem (hi) [r;he [he:ra´‘] is rendered do evil‘ (Gn19.9) and do oneself evil‘ (Ps15.4). Four times [r;he [he:ra´‘] is translated smash‘ (Jr25.29; Jr31.28; Ps44.3; Ps74.3). Therefore, biblically a person or an action is described as evil that does smash internally or externally. Here is the EON a word concept from the Dabhar Literal Translation, you can discover this as TRUER(if you will) then the translation into "Eternal" if you study the Hebrew and Greek occurrences of these words as such place as Biblehub.com. These words are found over 650 times(SIX-HUNDRED and FIFTY) in the most Popular Bible Canon, for there are other Canons which is another subject: eon ~l'A[ [‘o:la:´m] In lack of a suitable English expression, the Hellenic(Greek) word eon was chosen to render the Hebrew word OLAM, ~l'A[. This was done because in the WNC (NT), quotations from the TNK (OT) containing the Hebrew word ~l'A[l. [le‘o:la:´m] for eonian (Psalms110.4) are represented by into the eon (Hebrew 5.6). Unlike the Hellenic(Greek) word eon, the meaning of the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ can be determined easily. ~l'A[ is derived from ~yli[.h, [hae‘lee´m] conceal‘ (Isaiah 1.15) (of the biblically not occurring ka stem ~l;[') and ~Wl[' [‘a:loo´m] the concealed (Psalms 90.8), as well as from other words of this word family. Therefore, the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ (and in the word eon, used as a translation) therefore conceptually implies a temporal area of concealment. An apt English translation would be concealment time. The now present eon (Titus 2.12) contains the time of the present heavens and the earthland (2 Peter 3.7; Ephesians 2.2) which is paraphrased from the eon, and until the eon (Psalms 41.14). The German Bible translator Hermann Menge translated the Hellenic(Greek) eon (in his "Heilsgeschichtlicher Wegweiser", page 79) with world-time. Also the German theological dictionary "Theologisches Begriffslexikon" (R. Brockhaus, 2nd edition, 1979, volume 2, pages 1457-1462) points out that the idea of a timeless transcendental over-time does not correspond to the concept of time in the OT, but was developed by Plato and adopted by Plutarch. Dr. théol. Philipe Reymond remarks in his "Dictionaire d'Hébreu et d'Araméen Bibliques" with regard to the Hebrew word ~l'A[: ne pas traduire par "éternité" (never translate by "eternity") il s'agit d'un temps très long (it is all about a very long time). In the French Bible Translation of A. Chouraqui the content of ~l'A[ is often rendered "pérennité" (defined in "Le Littré", the Dictionary of the Classic French Language, with: "état de ce qui dure longtemps" i.e. a state which lasts long). The present eon is the time which is described in the WNC (NT) from the eon (Acts 3.21; Acts 15.8) or from the downcast of the cosmos (Luke 11.50), and its conclusion is called together-finishing of the eon (Matthew 13.39). Since the concealment, in accordance with Matthew 13.35, was carried out from the down- cast of the cosmos, i.e. from the eon, this statement agrees with the translation of ~l'A[me [me:‘o:la:m] from the eon (Psalms 119.52) as from concealment time.
It’s just confusing to me. I know I’m sinful and I know I need God. I partake in drugs and lust, and I should be in hell. However, the very idea that God placed a tree in the garden, with a being that’s way more intelligent than human ,(Satan) , is very strange. Surely our human intelligence tells us that God must not have been very thoughtful for letting this being to tempt us. If Satan had never been allowed in the Garden, Adam and Eve would have never ate the tree. I mean I can’t fully conclude that Adam and Eve wouldn’t have ate it had it not been for Satan, but he was the variable that was needed for sin to reign the universe . If God decided to recreate humans 10 million times, and as long as Satan exists, humanity would always fall into sin. This makes me question whether sin was always a part of God’s plan. Jesus was already prepared to die for humanity before Adam and Eve were even created . Does this mean that God is all powerful? If Good exists, must Evil exist too to keep balance . Even in the afterlife, evil doesn’t cease to exist . According to the Bible Hell doesn’t end just cause some people end up in heaven.
Idk if curiousuty is sin. Adam and Eve never knew what Death meant before they ate the fruit . Imagine this, if you know that your son would be a serial killer, would you want your wife to give birth? If your wife gave birth but you could undo time, wouldn’t you go back in time to unbjrth the child? I feel like Adam and Eve were too dumb to comprehend any sense of right and wrong. It sounds like I’m justifying my sins, but the truth is, you and I didn’t choose to be in this messed up world . We just exist and we have to pay the fines of our ancestors Adam and Eve . And since we come from their DNA, we would have messed up too had we been in their shoes. This whole life doesn’t even make any sense at all
So God created the mess, puts us in the middle of it, blames us for it, and will save us from it if we submit to his authority... and if we don't, he'll set us on fire. If I put someone in a bad situation that I created then only offered to get them out if they did what I say...that's first class extortion. The math doesn't add up.
If you follow evil and think that this is God, you are lost my friend. God is doing everything he could to help you get out of your sins, but you, suffering in a world that is controlled by evil, and blaming it on God, will never be happy. Change and read .
He tramps over all evil although according to you and the other calvinists He’s the source of that evil and in fact is one who decrees all evil, God did not command Adam to not eat the fruit because He had already decreed that he would. You are making a mockery of God by implying that God is the source of evil that is blasphemy and you will be judged repent of such grotesque statements about God and believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Any one anywhere at any time Jesus paid for all sin not some.
This is bad wrong!!!!!. God's plan did not originally have sin, but He had an alternative should His own planned holy but free will beings to be created bring about sin. God's own preferred plan was sin free, but another plan undesirable by God had to have sin. Be4 sin happened, God had foreseen it & actually was sure that His own created beings would bring it into existence. When He foresaw it, He knew He is not hand tied or unable to control & destroy it. He knew certainly that in case sin came in, He would handle the situation tho this alternative plan would now be hard for His creatures nevertheless they would rightly suffer the consequences of their disobedient actions. His own & preferred plan did not have sin, but because He's God of knowledge & power, any changes by His own creatures would cause Him to switch from His own preferred sinless plan to the new plan with sin. Now, from here it's easy to answer why did God allow sin to exist? Because every being capable to reason as created by God was to have choice not a robot.
Pickle Riiick It does not. God’s plan to send Jesus Christ in the flesh in order to be glorified was Plan A from before the foundation of the world; therefore, everything that leads to the fulfillment of Plan A is according to His Sovereign Decree. What would be atrocious and unfathomable is that the Creator of the universe’s creation can actually thwart His plans and cause God to scramble with other options of how to make His plan work. A god who cannot foresee everything and has to scramble for other ways is not a god deserving of worship. Thankfully the God of the Bible is in complete control and author of the beginning and the end in all matters.
Man has free will. God created man, but Man sinned using that freedom of choice which God don't have control of. Wages of sin is death. Consequences comes love when you follow God.
Sin by Definition is something that happens trough a created beeing. God ordained that sin will happen through a created beeing like human or angel. The fact that sin happens trough a created beeing makes it accountable because it is evil and god is holy. The answer is maybe not very satisfying but the concept or responsibility even is something we invented to understand why god will punish evil acts but is not necessary according to the bible. The bible just condemns evil thoughts and acts and that god will judge the people who where involved in commiting evil acts.
@@levimark548 There is no condemnation in Christ, we bind and rebuke the thoughts that are higher than God (Word of God). The devil condemns you period. We have to repent and change our ways aligning the Word Of God (Bible) Conviction leads you to repentance condemnation drives you to despair.
@@J.F.331... God wills all things to come to pass... God created sin"...R.C.Sproul Jr. He created rape,murder,adultery,lie, hate,pride,evil?????God gets glorified in destroying people whom he did not give ability to willfully choose Him or reject him?? , and then in his holy justice sents them to Hell,before they were even born???? What a sick mounstrous picture of God Calvinism gives its just sickeing... Yet Calvinists persist in this unbiblical and irratinal wicked doctrine, which they imagine defends God's sovergnity, but acctually diminishes it.. Calvinist:"If God did not foreordained all things, then He could not know the future.God foreknows and knows all things because He decreed all things to be"...On the contrary, God does not have to decree human thoughts and actions to foreknow them.He knows all beforehand becose he is omniscient.
Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He decreed the fall of man. If you create something and then INTENTIONALLY engineer it for failure, then you shouldn't be feeling regret and grief afterwards. After all, you engineered it for FAILURE. If God created man and then INTENTIONALLY decreed his fall, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and grief afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God decreed the fall of man is debunked. Genesis 6:6KJV - And it REPENTED the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it GRIEVED HIM at his heart. The Calvinist "God" goes, "Oops, I screwed up!" "Now I'm going to destroy man with the worldwide flood." The God of the Bible, goes, "I have created man and given him free will, but man has willfully become defiant, disobedient, unfaithful, and very wicked and has screwed up BIG TIME in epic proportions, so therefore I will destroy him with the worldwide flood, but I have spared Noah and his family because he is the only one that fears me and does what is right. The reason why God felt regret and grief is because God DID NOT decree the fall of man. If He did, then He would not have felt regret and grief afterwards.
wtom04 I can see your argument and I read it with reverence. But, I believe it would be enough for me to just quote what the Puritans wrote on the footnotes of the commentary on that in the 1599 Geneva. "God doth never repent, but he speaketh after our capacity, because he did destroy him, and in that as it were did disavow hin to be his creature." I do not see the big matter in all of this. I simply see it as, God knew if He created humans, with absolute free will, they would sin against Him. So He knew just how much it would cost to buy us back after we would sin against Him.. What a loving God!
@@nobuhled The bible says that God does know the future. If not, then the bible would not have prophets of God in it. That contradicts God's so called perfection in the Genesis 6:6 passage.
Orthodox Christianity made up there own theology, they don’t care what the scriptures say it doesn’t fit with what they teach and believe. When you believe the orthodox position you will stunted from understanding the scriptures and be content with milk. 1. stunted [ˈstən(t)əd] ADJECTIVE 1.having been prevented from growing or developing properly. Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,(the last Adam) and another unto dishonour? (the first Adam). Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Christ is the first born Son of them that will folow. Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; 1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Crazy prayingmantis Pastors are responsible for SOULS, Hebrews 13:17. Even Paul wanted to be able to present people blameless before God. Piper is taking God seriously as should we.
Stop objectifying sin. It's anything that displeases God and the disobedience of his will. It is the result of misusing God's gifts like freedom of choice and wisdom to mankind. A dog, a tree or a rock will never sin because they do not have any wisdom to misuse.
VIKING Doing things that God didn't like is bad and is called sinning. God gave us freewill and wisdom to make responsible choices because he ordered us to follow his will but on our own thinking. Things that we do against his will, displeases Him and we call it a sin. A dog can make choices but cannot be held morally responsible for it.
VIKING I'm not really a Bible "thumper". But I read it and this is how I'm understanding it: I don't see God in black or white, one track mind, all knowing, a one dimensional, all loving God. Clearly, he allowed himself other emotions. Take a look at Genesis 1:31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. It says here that 1) After creating things and doing things, God allows himself of deciding again whether it pleases him or not. He still look at thing after things transpired. He is not a black or white God. That's why He forgives our sins. 2) "Good" or things that pleases him existed before men, which could also means "bad" or things that displeases God could have existed before men were created. Which means he can decide not to like things. After all, God decided to change things when nothing else existed but Him. He must've wanted changes. 3) God gave us freewill which means He didn't program us to do things to displease him. 4) Jesus thought me that Although we are imperfect in pleasing God because of freewill, praising Him on our freewill pleases Him greatly that he forgives our mistakes.
VIKING I think the answer why God created everything is in Genesis 1:31. He saw everything he created as pleasing to him. Praising God and following him on our freewill pleases Him. And He expected us to make mistakes so he forgives those who comes back to praise him and follow him. Freewill allowed us to take care of his other creations as well because, again, it pleases Him. Not all things that men considers bad for himself means it is bad in the eyes of God. As an example, death and suffering is being looked at something bad. But the Bible teaches us that everything in this world is just temporary because God will keep those who continued to please him, despite suffering. However, those who causes suffering to others will be "punished" if they don't repent and work to please God.
VIKING Of course, if you don't recognize God, then He won't like you. Unlike animals and plants, you understand this because he gave you the freewill and wisdom but most importantly, He created us in his "image". Which means you have a sensible brain to seek the truth, and understand what is pleasing and good. If you think it's petty to have been created, then it's on you. I'm not sugarcoating anything for you to say God is love blah blah.. If you die on His wrong side, you are fu**ed up more than three ways, like a pet dog who shit on the bed and caused a house fire. Let me just tell you this, had God not gifted us with freewill, you wouldn't be questioning anything right now. We would all be like plants and animals. The pleasure of creating things and appreciating the results wouldn't exist in you. Yet, you mock God that it's petty to see good on creating things.
VIKING It's just semantics. God invented thinking, no wait, change that, he created it. He created everything that he even created the word invented. He created free will that even when we change our mind, it is because He gave it to us. He created Good and Bad, then decided when he favors Good and when he favors Bad. Does God think like a child? Since everything was created by him, I bet, He can. He can change his mind, He concepted pain, laughter, doubt. He created it all. If people thinks that God is not omnipotent, it is because of the limited minds of the people, and not of Him. Again, if people want to dictate what is good and bad, then it's on them. But it doesn't change the fact that everything was created. And many people, throughout generations felt of higher being, one way or the other. Why did God created us? You gotta wrap your head about the concept of God. We hope to understand some of the things he did after death, if we become deserving to be back to Him. Btw, if omnipotent isn't capable of making mistakes and doing displeasing things, then how can that be? Omnipotence is ability to do EVERYTHING, including changing His mind at will, electing to give up control or giving free will and bad things.
Jesse Gandy, Oh the universe it's just there nothing to it, just randomly came to be, stars just randomly came to be, galaxies just randomly came to be, don't be fooled. God is everything.
Jesse Gandy Funny, Peter predicted you, my friend. He also said that the Holy Spirit HAS revealed to you that you were Created by a Holy God, and your excuses will NOT save you at judgement. Youve been warned within your own spirit. We all have. seek HIS kingdom now..theres no stopping its arrival.
Reading scripture written by fallable men 2000 years ago is not proof of God. Complexity does not equal proof that God exists. I also love the smug, almost gleeful attitude of so many Christians when they tell others they are arguing with that they are going to hell for not believing what men wrote. It's one of the many reasons I left. Many Christians preach love and tolerance but don't actually practice it. They are just buying life insurance.
The first sentence that John spoke is the beautiful truth. He didn’t need to say anything else. Thank God that he has had a plan from the beginning. Glory be to the father.
Unfortunately that plan is total useless unless you or a lucky bitch picked by god
@@Android-ds9ie Thing is, even you`re not picked by God, and you`re totally pre-determined if we watch us "outside" our system, we still have free will in our materialistic system, so there is no point to complain about God being injustice (even though He is just) - you`re TOTALLY free to not listen to God, preachers and even me - your choice what matters.
@@dan78789 Please, extract God from this thought. Lets pretend your mother started it all and gave you the rules, and your brothers disobey them. Do you still be complaining about your mother being responsible for the evil?
So just cuz he says it's the beautiful truth you believe him ? Why believe him but not the next person who says it's a lie
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It's amazing to me that so many love and accept this concept so easily.
Pastor John you may never read this but know that you are an inspiration to me, very rarely have I experienced such biblical truth as spoken from you, glory to god for his masterful plan for the redemption of man through the cross. I listen to you every day, and your expression of the word strikes at my heart on multiple chords and gives me strength to continually renew my mind and seek with more passion everyday the truth that is Jesus. Be blessed in all that you do my brother in Christ.
It's so hard to believe everything in the Bible sometimes. I got saved back in 2017, definitely need to work on my faith. Loved the video !
There's so many prophetic cross references dum the old testament to new, it's beautiful and shows God's perfect plan. I pray you're doing well.
@@DBozza. God's plan contains so many things and there are many holes in Bible that doesnt provide anwer for everything. Our mind cant fathom what God has created and why. So many questions (why, for what, what am i missing?). But I found the most important answers there by God's grace.
I hear time and time again that this or that (including sin) was not a part of God's Plan for us. God had a plan, a perfect plan, even before anything in this universe was created. If we say that anything (including sin) was not part of His plan, then His plan was imperfect - something happened that was outside of His plan. I believe that is unthinkable. So, I see it as a non-brainer that sin was a part of God's plan even before the beginning. Without sin, there would have been no reason for God to send Jesus here to redeem us.
God allowed sin to enter the world so mankind could have a choice
Joelgobrazy Thombs Does God have free choice? Can God sin?
So true brother
@@dallasburns7806 No
Joelgobrazy Thombs 🤔 free-will is not scriptural, it’s the churches apologetic escape goat 🐐
In all my years of being a Christian I have come to find recently that trying to figure God out either through Calvinism Arminiunism or Molinism is a huge distraction and sometimes I dare say a waste of time because it takes time and study away from us being ambassadors of Christ. Paul's warning in 2:14 although directed at heresy is appropriate for these kinds of arguments that amount to no more than belly button gazing. and it confuses and troubles the faithful.
"Keep reminding God's people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen." 2 Tim. 2;14
2:14 what?
i test Arminianism,i test molinism,ended in calvinism 😀
@@ManlyServant I think you would be better staying with Christianity than these 'isms' that is read your bible and do as it says
Exactly, that's how I feel after I start digging more and more in an understanding God's ultimate plan or his behaviour or actions, thinking about unimaginable universal things etc., it strays me from more important task and that's sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ to people or learning to be better Christian.
@@ManlyServant My contention is with people like John Piper who says, every single thing that happens on planet earth is caused by God. He gives the example of tiny dust particles in a beam of light. Piper says God controls the very movement of each tiny particle. Or James White who has said, "If a man brutally rapes a young girl, God caused it. If not, then it was a meaningless, random act." Jeff Durbin says, God is not partially sovereign, He is not half-sovereign, He is sovereignly sovereign. Meaning, like Piper and White, every single thing that happens is caused by God. If you follow that logic through, you have God saying to Adam and Eve, "Do not eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil..." and then He causes them to do that very thing. You have God saying, "Have no other gods before me." AND then He makes countless billions worship Allah, Buddha, or one of the three hundred million Hindu gods. Again, if you carry this through, you have God, who is LOVE, who is Holy and Righteous, causing, murder, rape, child molestation, drugs, alcohol, prostitution, human trafficking, not to mention, the belief in atheism. Allowing something to happen, UNTIL it is dealt with on Judgment Day, is NOT the same as causing it to happen.
I have to replay the first sentence many times!! ❤️
One minute in and I have the answer to a question that's been lingering in my mind 😁 yes, God truly is amazing, unexplainable amazing. He planned sin so we would get to know and experience how amazing He is.
As I understand Piper’s logic:
- God planned sin for man.
- Man could not avoid sin.
- Therefore, God passes judgment and punishes man for the sin which God created.
Really? I guess I should punish my daughter for the car accident she'll have because I removed the lug nuts from the wheels.
@@bnmartin54 lolololololol
@@bnmartin54 I believe there is a creator but i dont think the Bible knows the truth about him
The problem with your logic here is you are trying to apply your simple situation to a much more complex situation that only God himself can handle your mind is too limited to the things of God you will not understand it as I don’t fully understand it myself but that’s where faith comes in trusting an all knowing without error God…
@@Shotzzilla Amen brother I agree ♡ whatever it is, God can't be wrong.
Wow! I had to pause that first sentence and ponder. Thank you Jesus!
Thank you Pastor John I'd understand know. 👍
The answer to the question is on the first few sentences of Ptr. John.
Can we truly know love in a perfect world? If we are raised in a family where everything is given to us we take things for granted...but if we then stepped outside that world where we experience loss, that is when we recognize most what we have/had. The saying you never know what you have until it's gone. The next question, God does not tempt, but he placed temptation in front of them with the tree of knowledge. Like chocolate cake your spouse puts in the fridge when you are trying to lose weight.
But there is a difference between us and god. God knows all choices that will be made your spouse doesn’t. So that means god knew they would eat the fruit before he created it.
Were humans, God is not human. He could have created a world where we would know his love without having to suffer or fail but he decided to do it this way. In the end we won't really even be thinking about this world once we are with the Lord so its almost like it never mattered. Could have done it from the beginning but since he's in complete control he can do whatever he wants
😂😂😂😂😂the chocolate cake got me laughing
“The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
Proverbs 16:4 ESV
“What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-”
Romans 9:14-23 ESV
@jparkerwillis Everyone (sigh) my goodness God's Will and your Individual Free-Will can co-exist as a Christian, no-one is created to be slaves we were all created to be free, its just Church Authority created the first true Christian Slavery, #Anti Church Authority...
We were very carefully designed by God (on the first Friday afternoon).
He spent several minutes working out how to connect all our brain cells.
If our brains don't work properly, we have only one person to blame.
Never buy a car that was made on Friday afternoon.
God Created EVERYTHING. period
I can't thank God enough for His servant's Christocentric Biblical exposition sadly rare in our day of vile egocentrism. I was just shockingly kicked out of my church 8/3/13 for daring to oppose feminist church "authority" (the usual feminist "shut up" they "explained") in asking why 1 Tim 2:12 wasn't authoritative today in disallowing women to be in authority over men! My mom's pastor dad was also kicked out of his church for preaching the Gospel. It must run in the family! Soli Deo Gloria!
Although I admire John Piper for being daring and corageous when he preaches a biblical and god-centered worldview, I am left with a question: Does this all mean that sin and evil was necessary to magnify God`s glory? Because we are taught to hate evil because evil is a thing that God hates, and therefore if God hates evil then the world would be better off without it (that's the common logic).
So how is the christian supposed to see evil? Should we see evil as something we should rejoice for its existence because it is there to magnify God's glory? (it`s almost as if evil isn`t evil at all in God`s perspective because it magnifies His glory). Or should we see evil as an aberration with God`s universe?
I wish John Piper could help me out with this!
Evil doesn't glorify God the same way as praise and obedience. It glorifies Him by means of contrast whereby His holiness and overall character are magnified by contrast to evil.
It glorifies Him by providing opportunity to reveal His wrath and power; "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction?" Romans 9:22
I see it like the wisdom God gave Solomon being revealed when Solomon judged the two women fighting over custody of a child. The situation existed because of the covetousness and lies of the woman falsely claiming to be the mother.
In short, this entire scenario, from creation to the fall, to all the pain and suffering, to final judgment, to the marriage supper of the Lamb, eternal life of believers with our Lord on the new Earth, and the eternal destruction of unbelievers; All of that reveals God's character more thoroughly than any other possible scenario thus, He is glorified to the utmost.
Kaleo Mariz this is my dilemma too bro, been struggling a lot lately, kept praying but feeling really helpless here. If sin is a necessity to magnify God's attributes/glory seems like we were programmed to fail from the beginning. Sometimes it feels like we humans were created just as a bet between God & setan to see who chooses whom?😞
@@muanvalte1753 so god is not love as most people think he does everything to boost up his own ego
It only makes sense if you don't think about it.
If this is God’s plan then God is an unspeakable monster.
2:20, can you produce anything? Doesn't God get ALL the glory because He has determined who will be wimpy or not? Or can they choose do press in to God more or fall away?
Where can I find this full sermon??
Link to full message, please 🙂
Amen.
Then how do we get rid of sin if we don't want it and I don't want it I want perfection!
* *Sin* (Which is something way more profound than I thought) *Sin* is the absence of God and with God there’s holiness, there’s abundance of virtue, there healing there’s freedom.
The difference between living in sin and living in Christ is that living in sin is living without the coordination of God.
The problem lies in the mind, the heart and soul. Which are the 3 most vital points of a man’s life in the spiritual life and everything.
The main issue here is that these 3 components are what the gospel is all about the parables of Jesus Christ and the seed of God the fertile ground everything.
The problem is that people don’t know the main root of all sin trying to decipher sin it’s like fighting an abyss after an abyss.
Satan’s specialty is in targeting the first component the (mind) darkening the minds of those who don’t know God (unbelievers) Deviating the path of the (believer) if the person is not Careful The word repentance is the changing and the renewal of one’s mind
There’s a reason why the helmet of salvation is in this area the head.
Sin is the disconnection of God from the fall of Adam and everything that’s absent from God is doing things from a state of confusion and without light and being clueless thus resulting in being hurt and having no direction of every choice you commit. Which will also result in all the fruits of the flesh.
The reason why people sin or are in sin is because their minds have been targeted by Satan clouding their judgement and understanding and this is the sole reason why they interpret things in a wrong negative light.
The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked above all things even the devil himself which is one of the instruments that the devil uses.
The main target of Satan is the soul mind will and emotions the problem is when the mind will and emotions are corrupted and people need a reset of knowledge of good and evil again.
The need to know right from wrong again the solution to this is found in the word of God. Which is live and active sharper than any two edged sword and divides the soul the heart mind and will differentiate between the thoughts and the intentions of the heart. What this is saying is that you’re going to have a soul cleansing surgery a spiritual surgery and there’s a huge difference between the thoughts and the intentions of the heart. The word of God is the divine powerful supernatural blade that will aid you in this surgery. The thoughts in the mind and the evil traces of the influence in the air that pop in your mind by this sinful world and the current of it. They sometimes contaminate the heart confusing you about your identity and clogging your mind the Bible says that if you believe in the Christ according to the scriptures out of Your heart will flow rivers of living waters. The Bible also says that God is the solution for this. The thoughts is like a fishbowl it needs its water taken out throughout time so that the fish don’t get contaminated and the water. The word of God purifies you It cleanses your mind and heart and soul and when the soul is free when the surgery is done you will find that you’ll have an abundance of peace that surpasses all understanding heaven on earth that’s what happens if you surrender your mind will and emotions to God the word of God. It is not as hard as it looks.
It’s sad that even the street preacher falls under this.
What’s normal and right:
Confidence and humility:
which is way different than pride, humility is being genuine being peaceful and being a real authentic human being. Pride is that negative essence that is what Satan is made of the influence responsible for people that want to gaslight you and make you believe that there’s something wrong with you it falls along with narcissism and toxic individuals who want to strip you of your value. After the fall of Adam money came and everyone now needs to pay each other in order to do favors as if they have no value and nothing is free Jesus came to restore this.
Love&Marriage: What both street preachers and people who don’t know God get wrong and is the sole reason why those rioters are the way they are is because of this root cause it’s the core essence of everything in life. Ever since the beginning of creation the Garden of Eden God and the church the same way Adam and Eve were at the beginning. Sex is not wrong! The very essence of sex is spiritual life is about this and the whole story of the cosmos revolves around this the sacrifice of Jesus in the cross and everything meaning that the same way an addict who is addicted to drugs alcohol and has a dark depression and are on the verge of suicide and then Jesus rescues that person the same way is with marriage it’s one of the things that makes us human. The man must be that light and so is the woman that will uplift each other and sex is one of the healing things that they both do two different life’s two different person’s merging into one and when it’s a true marriage it is the masterpiece of God when the two fall in love the two become all fired up the two have two different stories of their lives and traits that both want to share as a result of this comes the offspring the mixture of the two lives together a new life
Unity&life, : We have to learn about Unity and comeback to it.
There’s a lot of things that are right and a lot of things that are wrong I might text too much but the point I’m trying to make is that when when someone tells you stop living in sin and get right with God is like saying a half truth mixed with lies. Because where’s Jesus in this equation? Saying this without Jesus is like saying stop living in sin ( meaning that I challenge you to fight the forces of hell and stand by your truth without the gps or the weapons of Christ and get right with God overcome death on your own save yourself I challenge you to break free from your prison without the key) because sin is the absence of God the absence of the seed of God and all the words of Jesus Christ the absence of the bread of heaven and people become empty and depressed and what’s inside peoples’ heart is what’s going to come out of their mouths. The main first floor is the mind and the devil likes to blind peoples mind to obscure the point of view of life in general.
I wouldn’t come to street preach just to debate. I would street preach to preach the truth and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. The truth never meant to hurt the truth never meant to condemn the truth does nothing but to set you free. This what Jesus came to do to destroy the (Works of the evil one) before street preaching you must battle this in the spirit not in the flesh and if you do this in the flesh you’ll end up bickering with people who have darkened minds and when you argue with a fool you’ll become like him. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. The truth is like a sword that breaks the chains of darkness that blinds the minds of the individual and sets them free.
Exactly!
I know he explained but didn’t really explain it.I just want to know why truly why with everything the why behind the why behind that way.
John Piper is such an amazing steward of the Word and character of the Lord
Amen! Thnx😇
Then why God becomes angry on us when we sin and if he is all knowing then he already knew that adam would disobey and that Lucifer would fall from Glory... That cain will kill abel then why did he executed a plan that he knew would fail? And why does he allow all those little children die in shooting and other disastrous stuff that happens out there in the world? Can anyone please answer that.? I am reading the book and these are the questions that are coming to my mind.
I'm very confused and I've had people try to explain it but it hasn't worked, maybe some one here can put it into words I get. If God is all powerful why couldn't he accomplish the same end goal as he's going for without creating living, thinking creatures that have to suffer. If he hates sin so much and he's all powerful and could accomplish his goal an infinite number of ways then why is this our reality. To me it seems like we're just his entertainment and without conflict there is no entertainment. But I want to here the other side and really understand where you are coming from.
Ok, so admittedly the idea is somewhat abstract. God is an entity unlike ourselves and his thoughts and actions are almost impossible for us to fully comprehend as mortals. When boiled down, the idea begins to become much easier to see. Sin exists for the same reason that darkness does, because without it the good, or light in this example would be impossible to exist. God gave his creation the power of free will, for without it we would be nothing more than robots. Sin allows for us to make decisions and by denying sins and realizing that we have made them in the past it demonstrates that we are in need of a savior and are really the only ones to blame for our elvil acts. It allows us to feel love and compassion in a way that would be impossible without the bad to contrast.
Matt E is it okay if I aska free questions about that? It may sound like argument but I'm genuinely trying to understand and there are just a few things I'm still confused by.
Joey Winter for sure, what's up
Matt E thanks, I really appreciate it. You said it would be impossible to show God's mercy without contrast but if God is all powerful how could it be impossible?
Matt E hello?
I think Calvinists' faith are too much put on God's glory, or the sovereignty of God, rather on the gospel. Christ's glory is most manifested through his dying and rising for sinners. God is for us. We shoulnt talk God's glory without being gospel-centered. God's glory is for us and sin is not in his intentional will. He knew sin, but He also planned the salvation over his knowlege of sin. We are predestined to be saved to enjoy his glory while sin is a means, which hummans made, for Christ's glory to be shining more.
Thunder and lightning very very frightening.. Please.. Mamma Mia... Mamma Mia.. They will not let me go...
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Lamentations 3:33
For he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone.
Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
John 3:16
For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
A Final thought, why would Jesus include in the Our Father Prayer "Your Kingdom come Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" if His will was already always being done.
Soli Deo Gloria
The false teaching that God decreed sin from the beginning does not come from the Bible, but comes from the following philosophical presuppositions of men.
1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234
2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88.
3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961).
4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249
5) Edwin Palmer - "IT IS EVEN BIBLICAL TO SAY THAT GOD HAS FOREORDAINED SIN. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82
6) Edwin Palmer - "All things that happen in all the world at any time and in all history-whether with inorganic matter, vegetation, animals, man, or angels (both the good and evil ones)-come to pass because God ordained them. EVEN SIN -- THE FALL OF THE DEVIL FROM HEAVEN, THE FALL OF ADAM, AND EVERY EVIL THOUGHT, WORD, AND DEED IN ALL OF HISTORY, INCLUDING THE WORST SIN OF ALL, Judas’ betrayal of Christ-is included in the eternal decree of our holy God." - page 120, Edwin Palmer - in his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism".
7) Edwin Palmer - "SIN IS NOT ONLY FOREKNOWN BY GOD, IT IS ALSO FOREORDAINED BY GOD" - On page 122, 1980 in his book, ""The 5 Points of Calvinism".
8) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986.
9) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965.
10) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986
Finally we have JOHN CALVIN:
John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil.
1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5.
2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11.
3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4.
4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.
Is there anywhere in scripture where God clearly chose for evil to come about in order to accomplish His will?
+bob polo The word "evil" in the context of Old Testament passages means "disaster" and "calamity" that God brings about as punishment as a direct result of people's wickedness, disobedience, and unfaithfulness.
The book of Jeremiah is the most revealing:
1) Jeremiah 1:14, 16 - 14 Then the Lord said unto me, Out of the north an EVIL shall break forth upon all the inhabitants of the land.
16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshiped the works of their own hands.
2) Jeremiah 5:19 - 19 And it shall come to pass, when ye shall say, WHEREFORE DOETH THE LORD OUR GOD ALL THESE THINGS UNTO US? then shalt thou answer them, Like AS YE HAVE FORSAKEN ME, and SERVED STRANGE GODS in your land, so shall ye serve strangers in a land that is not your's.
3) Jeremiah 6:19 - 19 Hear, O earth: behold, I WILL BRING EVIL upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT HEARKENED UNTO MY WORDS, NOR TO MY LAW, BUT REJECTED IT.
4) Jeremiah 9:12-14 - 12 Who is wise enough to understand this? Who has been instructed by the Lord and can explain it? WHY HAS THE LAND BEEN RUINED AND LAID WASTE like a desert that no one can cross?
13 The Lord said, “It is because they have forsaken my law, which I set before them; they have not obeyed me or followed my law. 14 Instead, they have followed the stubbornness of their hearts; they have followed the Baals, as their ancestors taught them.”
5) Jeremiah 11:10-11 - 10 They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: thehouse of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.
11 Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I WILL BRING EVIL UPON THEM, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them.
6) Jeremiah 11:17 - 17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, HATH PRONOUNCED EVIL AGAINST THEE, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in OFFERING INCENSE UNTO BAAL.
7) Jeremiah 16:10-12 - 10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD PRONOUNCED ALL THIS GREAT EVIL AGAINST US? OR WHAT IS OUR INIQUITY? OR WHAT IS OUR SIN THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED AGAINST THE LORD OUR GOD?
11 Then shalt thou say unto them, BECAUSE YOUR FATHERS HAVE FORSAKEN ME, saith the Lord, and HAVE WALKED AFTER OTHER GODS, AND HAVE SERVED THEM, AND HAVE WORSHIPED THEM, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law;
12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me:
8) Jeremiah 18:11-12 - 11 “Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, ‘This is what the Lord says: Look! I am preparing a DISASTER for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways,each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions.’ 12 But they will reply, ‘It’s no use. We will continue with our own plans; we will all follow the stubbornness of our evil hearts.’'
9) Jeremiah 19:3-5 - 3 And say, Hear ye the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I WILL BRING EVIL UPON THIS PLACE the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. 4 Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of Judah, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents;
5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to BURN THEIR SONS WITH FIRE for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
10) Jeremiah 19:15 - 15 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the EVIL that I have pronounced against it, BECAUSE THEY HAVE HARDENED THEIR NECKS, that they might not hear my words.
11) Jeremiah 22:8-9 - 8 And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, WHEREFORE HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS GREAT CITY? 9 Then they shall answer, BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COVENANT OF THE LORD THEIR GOD, AND WORSHIPED OTHER GODS, AND SERVED THEM.
12) Jeremiah 32:23 - 23 They came in and took possession of it, but they did not obey you or follow your law; they did not do what you commanded them to do. So you brought all this DISASTER on them.
13) Jeremiah 35:17 - 17 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the EVIL that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.
14) Jeremiah 36:3 - 3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear ALL THE EVIL WHICH I PURPOSE TO DO UNTO THEM; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
15) Jeremiah 40:2-3 - 2 And the captain of the guard took Jeremiah, and said unto him, The Lord thy God HATH PRONOUNCED THIS EVIL UPON THIS PLACE. 3 Now the Lord hath brought it, and done according as he hath said: BECAUSE YE HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD, AND HAVE NOT OBEYED HIS VOICE, THEREFORE THIS THING IS COME UPON YOU.
16) Jeremiah 44:2-5 - 2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen ALL THE EVIL THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UPON JERUSALEM, AND UPON ALL THE CITIES OF JUDAH; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,
3 Because of their WICKEDNESS which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to BURN INCENSE, and to SERVE OTHER GODS, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers.
4 Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate.
5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.
17) Jeremiah 44:10-11 - 10 To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence,nor have they followed my law and the decrees I set before you and your ancestors.
11 “Therefore this is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I am determined TO BRING DISASTER ON YOU AND TO DESTROY ALL JUDAH.
18) Jeremiah 44:23 - 23 BECAUSE YE HAVE BURNED INCENSE, AND BECAUSE YE HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD, AND HAVE NOT OBEYED THE VOICE OF THE LORD, NOR WALKED IN HIS LAW, NOR IN THIS STATUTES, NOR IN HIS TESTIMONIES; THEREFORE THIS EVIL IS HAPPENED UNTO YOU, AS TO THIS DAY.
19) 2 Chronicles 7:21-22 KJV - 21 And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, WHY HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND, AND UNTO THIS HOUSE? 22 And it shall be answered, BECAUSE THEY FORSOOK THE LORD GOD OF THEIR FATHERS, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and LAID HOLD ON OTHER GODS, AND WORSHIPED THEM, AND SERVED THEM: therefore hath he brought all this EVIL upon them.
20) 2 Chronicles 34:24-25 - 24 ‘This is what the Lord says: I am going to bring DISASTER on this place and its people-all the curses written in thebook that has been read in the presence of the king of Judah. 25 BECAUSE THEY HAVE FORSAKEN ME AND BURNED INCENSE TO OTHER GODS and aroused my anger by all that their hands have made, my anger will be poured out on this place and will not be quenched.’
21) Isaiah 3:11 - Woe to the wicked! DISASTER is upon them! They will be paid back for what their hands have done.
22) 1 Kings 9:8-9 - 8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, WHY HATH THE LORD DONE THUS UNTO THIS LAND, AND TO THIS HOUSE?
9 And they shall answer, BECAUSE THEY FORSOOK THE LORD THEIR GOD, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have TAKEN HOLD UPON OTHER GODS, and HAVE WORSHIPED THEM, AND SERVED THEM: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this EVIL.
bob polo When his Son was murdered.
Can you shorten anything instead of coping and pasting half the dang Bible?
If adam was made capable of withstanding the temptation he was presented with, there would be no sin ,yet there is , adam had enate shortcomings obviously, you cannot say otherwise with any validity.
If I can't understand God how can I possibly praise and worship him? What exactly am I praising and worshiping? If everything is based on faith then why not have faith in Zeus? Why does this God get all this blind faith and not other ones when the questions get tough?
ik this is a 2 year old comment but first of all God is the only God there is and there is evidence to prove that like people have seen Jesus or miracles have happened by God before. we worship God because He deserves it and just like a human relationship we have to know God to love Him and respect Him more
Calvinists contradict themselves and there is DOUBLE TALK in regards to whether or not God's plan includes sin.
1) "The sovereignty of God also teaches that God is not the responsible author of evil, that man is a free moral agent who is not forced to sin and who is responsible for what he does." - Grover E. Gunn, in his book, "The Doctrines of Grace", 1987, page 14.
2) "God is neither the author of sin, nor sanctions it (approves of it). He is not responsible for sin, though He decreed it. Those guilty of sinning are responsible." - Jay Adams, in his book, "The Grand Demonstration", page 61, 1991.
3) "God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin...." - Westminster Confession of Faith, III "Of God's Eternal Decree", item #1
4) Westminster Confession of Faith, IV under "Of Providence", bottom paragraph it states...."as the sinfulness thereof proceedeth only from the creature, and not from God, who, being most holy and righteous, neither is nor can be the author or approver of sin."
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BUT HOWEVER, you have the below following eminent Calvinist apologists and John Calvin himself making totally contradictory statements that is not in line with what is asserted by Grover E. Gunn and Jay Adams who are both Calvinists as well and the Westminster Confession of Faith.
1) Loraine Boettner - "Even the fall of Adam, and through him the fall of the race, was not by chance or accident, but was so ordained in the secret counsels of God" - In his book, "The Reformed doctrine of Predestination, page 234
2) Jerom Sanchius - "Surely, if God had not willed the fall, He could, and no doubt would, have prevented it; but He did not prevent it: ergo, He willed it. And if He willed it, He certainly decreed it." - In his book, "The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination" page 88.
3) A.W. Pink - "Plainly it was God's will that sin should enter this world, otherwise it would not have entered, for nothing happens save as God has eternally decreed. Moreover, there was more than a bare permission, for God only permits that which He has purposed." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 147, (1961).
4) A.W. Pink - "Not only did His omniscient eye see Adam eating of the forbidden fruit, but He decreed beforehand that he should do so." In his book, "The Sovereignty of God" page 249
5) Edwin Palmer - "It is even Biblical to say that God has foreordained sin. If sin was outside the plan of God, then not a single important affair of life would be ruled by God." In his book, "The 5 Points of Calvinism" page 82
6) William Shedd - "Nothing comes to pass contrary to his desire. Nothing happens by chance. Even moral evil, which He abhors and forbids, occurs "by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God." In his book, "Calvinism: Pure and Mixed, page 37, 1986.
7) J. Gresham Machen - "All things including even the wicked actions of wicked men and devils -- are brought to pass in accordance with God's eternal purpose." In his book, "Christian View of Man, page 46, 1965.
8) William Shedd - "Sin is one of the "whatsoevers" that have "come to pass", all of which are "ordained". In his book, "Calvinism" Pure and Mixed, page 31, 1986
Finally we have JOHN CALVIN:
John Calvin falsely taught that God is the author of sin and evil.
1) "Thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict." From Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" - Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5.
2) "The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, NAY UNLESS IN SO FAR AS HE COMMANDS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ONLY BOUND BY HIS FETTERS BUT ARE EVEN FORCED TO DO HIM SERVICE." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11.
3) "I admit that in this miserable condition wherein men are now bound, all of Adam's children have FALLEN BY GOD'S WILL." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 4.
4) "The first man fell because the Lord deemed it meet that he should." - John Calvin - Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter, 23, Paragraph 8.
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The above is what I call DOUBLE TALK where Calvinists say 2 different things out of their mouths contradicting themselves.
It's the Bible that is saying these things because that's what we find there; dual realities without apology. Paul answered the question of how God operates by pretty much saying that we should shut our mouths; "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?" Romans 9:21-22
@@michaeljmccurdy9449 then it is pretty much clear that this book is a lie is not cruel dictatorship at its finest
@@Android-ds9ie Your conclusion is not logically necessary. Afterall, we're dealing with an infinite, transcendent being. He is not limited to time and space like we are. In the end, we are the offenders in need of forgiveness, having offended an infinitely holy being. We have no idea how wicked we are and what peril we face unless we put our full trust and faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on behalf of all who believe.
@@michaeljmccurdy9449 no one asked that cruel being to create us we send only because him he can only blame himself
@@Android-ds9ie But how do you know for sure? What is your epistemological foundation?
No it wasn’t the plan. Through our disobedience, man attempted to throw a monkey wrench in God’s plan 🔧 God simply readjusted
By this logic god doesn’t know all.
@@hughjanus2781 Infinite power and infinite knowledge is already set up (by human comprehension) to make no sense whatsoever. Our fallible understanding of sovereignty isn’t an effective way of describing Gods attributes, which is why it isn’t a good excuse to refute what OP said
1 Peter 1:19 - 21. It was the plan
I believe God is perfect. I believe God is holy. I also believe God is just and a fair. I believe he is all powerful. I don’t believe God created sin or evil. I don’t believe God created Satan intentionally so he could use his sin to magnify himself. That’s not biblical. The Bible says that Lucifer was created perfect and holy. I don’t believe that God is so cheap and low that he has to use evil to show his goodness and glory. The angels still in heaven have not sinned and yet they magnify God in his presence. So those who believe that God uses sickness and evil and created it to show his wonderful characteristics about himself. That in itself is a sin. Therefore, God is no longer just and fair. Therefore, God is no longer perfect. Therefore, Jesus is no longer a holy and worthy sacrifice and God himself cannot judge the world and the sin because he himself has fallen to sin. God would no longer be qualified to judge to the world. In the same way in this world and it’s system you have to have certain qualifications and requirements to become a Supreme Court judge. How much more is expected of God in order for him to have the authority and right to judge the universe?
read romans 9
read romans 9
“The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
Proverbs 16:4 ESV
“The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”
Proverbs 16:4 ESV
This makes since💯 I need to talk to you I’m searching for answers to live holy besides living based off Christianity which isn’t working. I don’t want to live by following rules. I want my souls to want it but satans grip is hard & I need to leave it. What’s you’re contact info??
Something people need to understand, without sin there are countless attributes of God we would not see.
Mercy, Grace, Justice, Kidness, Wrath, Patience, etc.. Only in a world with sin can thoes attributes of God be on display. Sin is ultimately for the glory of God. Period.
So your god neads sin to glorify his ass
So innocent children raped murdered slavery starvation all happen so god can brag about how good he is? Even though we live in world where there is no evidence that a god even exist…… brilliant
@@hughjanus2781 I know, your soooo right. I assume these simple questions should be easy for someone as "brilliant" as you.
1. Please explain YOUR created world where there is free will with no option for pain or suffering.
2. Please explain, without psydo-science, how billion-year-old soup comes alive.
3. If you found, sitting on a table, on the moon of Jupitor, a Mac Airbook, running and plugged into a solar panel. Would you conclude, wow! look what time made.... or would you say what intelligent being left this thing running? just curious?
All for His glory.Amen and 🙏 amen
His glory? Why does god deserve praise?
1. Because he is powerful? Then you are praising him for something that he naturally is he didn’t work hard to become god beating out the other gods to rule over us.
2. Because he created us? Ok so he purposely created a weaker life form just to be worshipped? That’s sadistic and narcissistic.
So which one is it?
Wildfires in Greece and California. This was prophetic
yeah
When Sin is Finished it Bringeth Fourth Death!!!!
Sounds like the making of barbaric Bronze Age ignorant savages pretending to speak for a god to control people and do horrible things.
We are all victims of this God. Create people sinners and then punish them for being born the sinner they never asked to be. SMH.
We are like ants trying to play a game of chess in comparison to God's holy and comprehensive wisdom. Our God is an amazing God!
what if you dont want an eternal life in heaven? and just wants to live your life here right now, without the limitation of religion but within bounds of the law.
Danilo Gustilo then your end will be what you were before God created you, nothing, none existent. God will still use you as he is right now, but not that he made you this way, you chose what you are either light or darkness. Now that you know you make the choice to live in darkness or light, we should be happy he has given us life to see this day, to see his plan unfold. Peace be on to you i hope you make the right choice.
Seems like it
When God's show us wrong things like he doesn't like it but what he wants us to realize our sins and when we realize that's lead to repentance and salvation and forgiveness of god and thats why sin has role not to commit it willfully it has only a role
Pls don't comment bad thing about the pastor he is just saying the truth
Such heresy... !!
wake up Piper
“That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
Isaiah 45:6-7 KJV
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why does man say god has a plan
I think he has it confused. He is saying that the fall was an afterthought once he decided to decree the death of Christ... sounds stupid and its not biblical. God decreed the crucifixion because he knew Adam would sin.
If it was all Gods plan, if he knew we would sin - then why is not everybody saved. He must have known not everyone would accept Jesus as lord and savour. That's the last problem I have with the consensus. Pls help me here with your opinions.
God in His sovereignty gives us enough free will to choose to accept Him and His Christ, or reject God's ONLY pardon for our sin: Christ dying on the cross. Remember just because God knows everything doesn't mean He causes everything.
Because not everybody makes the choices required
If God did not ordain AII things to come to pass then that makes him a liar because he said he created all things and in him All things exist.
He did, God allows sin to happen so that His love can better be seen. Without sin there is no bad, and without bad the good is impossible to see. You have to realize that sin is not a thing, it's just the opposite of good, or rather the absence of it. Just like darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good and therfore must exist.
He gifted Men the ability to think intelligently and have freewill. With freewill and higher intelligence, comes decisions; with decisions comes choices. Choices comes with correct things and wrong things. God gave us the ability to have a higher intelligence with conditions to follow his will. This is our responsibility.
In contrast, a dog can make choices but wasn't given wisdom. Sinning is one of the abilities that differentiate you from plants and animals.
Arc Sata So if there is no sin in heaven does that mean we have no freewill anymore?
Bryan Taylor
Not necessarily, I think.
If God decided to remove all his commandments (or didn't give one) in heaven, which means letting people do what they want without condition, then there wouldn't be anything to transgress God (sinning). But in Heaven, people will be done with all the tests and challenges that we experienced on earth. I can only guess that people will become ignorant of anything we consider evil/sin on earth. Maybe evil things and thoughts wouldn't be part of people's intelligence in heaven or maybe we wouldn't have freewill with our new forms and wouldn't need anything except God's love when we get in heaven.
Arc Sata So God was lonely, created sin, then created man knowing already each person's every single action and choices before they were even born, became enraged when Adam and Eve did what he had already planned for them to do, then he birthed himself, then sacrificed himself to himself to atone for the sin that he created?
For an all powerful God who could literally create an infinite number of different realities for us he chose this scenario because he was lonely and wanted people to worship him for all eternity?
It seems like God could have figured out a WAY better system than what we have to learn about love, good and evil. But instead we are given a book that was written by men, nobody agrees on the translations, and if you don't believe the perfect, exact, right way then this all loving God will send you to hell where your flesh will rot and you will suffer the most excruciating torture than mankind cannot even fathom.
I was a Christian for 30+ years. When you step back and finally look at Christianity from an outside perspective you realize that it sounds just as crazy as most of the other religions. I might have actually been okay with Christianity if it wasn't for the "love and worship me or burn in hell".
If it wasn't for the threat of eternal damnation I genuinely wonder how many followers Christianity would have today.
We who plant and water the seed - the gift of God, Salvation, do not produce wimpy Christians. GOD produces the increase, when the true Gospel is delivered, and the true Gospel is not Calvinism, which implicates God as the author of sin - inconsistent with his very Word in so many places, especially in 1 John 2:16. We are responsible for our sin and resultant deaths from such. It's called ownership. We're slaves to sin, unless we choose to accept that the gift offered to us, in Christ, is true.
The bridegroom desires his bride - white as snow, without spot or blemish; yet, if she, being we - the body of Christ, are guilty in one sin, the entire body is guilty of all such sins as have ever been committed. That's the Bride of Frankenstein!
Praise be to God, whosoever believes - God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. That's the gift - Salvation. Christ is sufficient, through whose blood, alone, are we made without blemish, into the corporate body of the bride - fit to be wed.
The wedding banquet table has already been set - no argument there. Who will attend? Whosoever believes - makes us clean - Christ; wherein, our belief is what seals us in the Holy Spirit, and nothing can pluck us from God's hand.
We are predetermined to make an eternal decision, predicated on a long line of predetermined things - though none, terminating our free will, but death.
That's why it is so important to understand that the Holy Spirit prays for you in mutterings we do not even understand, and - will not suffer us to condemn ourselves, as 1 John 3:20 reminds us, which is the Holy Spirit's job, to remind us of everything Jesus spoke, especially what he said in John 16:33 "I have spoken these things to you, that in me you might have peace; in the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world." And also, "greater is he that is in me, than he that is in the world," 1 John 4:4. "My kingdom is not of this world," answered Jesus to Pilate, "otherwise..."
God is not a liar and will not be mocked with the false accusation that he meticulously planned the raping of an 88 year old, great grandmother, and killing of her, in order to so exalt his glory beyond such things, that we might all the more - trust him with our eternal fates.
Trust - him, for what? That we live forevermore with he who authored the raping and killing of an 88 year old grandmother, and all such else as is, in the world; yet, the scriptures - "such are not of the Father"???
I have no doubt you are sincere John Piper, and your love, great for God; yet your zeal has made you blind, in endeavoring so;
instead of, contrarily, just believing the gift of God is Salvation, most assuredly predetermined, in order that God's joy abound - and every angel sing, when one sinner repents and is converted, when choosing to believe - Christ risen and us forgiven, whosoever believes.
Now this could be a possibility if there is a God this could be a possibility what if he had sin in the plan I thought of that too but who's to say there is a God
Like I said nobody knows so stop yo lying like you know and y'all dumb for fallowing him I grew up in the church so ik the tricks y'all play
There is! And I hope you get to know Him through His son Jesus Christ! ❤
So if that is the case why come later and judge people?
Calvinism wants to assert that God arbitrarily predestines some few to Heaven and the majority to hell. BUT the Bible clearly teaches God's predestination is based on His FOREKNOWLEDGE.
Nut case
Leave him alone at least he's happy
Did you just rebuke yourself? LOL
@@KeithThompson52 LOL WHAT
There are many more scriptures that plainly teach the One True God created evil, here are three below, the main problem with Christianity is they teach that Evil is eternal(as in their many translations plainly say) and not like it really is and that is....................evil is Eonian.
Isaiah 45.7 the Former of light,
and Creator of darkness,
the Maker of peace,
and Creator of evil:
I am YHWH,
the Maker of all these.
Amos 3.5 Does a bird fall
on a trap of the earthland,
and for him
was no snare of a catching implement?
Does a trap spring up from the adamah,
and capturing it does not capture?
Amos 3.6 Or will be blasted with the shofar
in the city,
and the people do not tremble?
Or comes to be an evil in the city,
and YHWH has not done it?
2 King i6.33 He was still wording with them,
and here!,
the commissioner
was going down to him;
and he spoke:
Here!,
this is the evil from YHWH;
what should I wait
for YHWH any longer?
Evil as death and failance (translated as "sin" in the popular Versions) and all enemies have a beginning and a finishing, they are NOT “Eternal” as in having no beginning and no finishing.
May the Lord unveil to the individual and to all(which He WILL eventually) the truth that the one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word Aion is not to be rendered "eternal", or the plural Greek word AIONS rendered "Eternal"(which should be the eternities in their translations) they would come out of inferior translations like the KJV and many other Versions, and come into a better well-announcement, (Or "Gospel" as in the KJV).
The only other version besides the Dabhar Literal Translation(DLT) (that I know of) that rendered this one Hebrew word OLAM and one Greek word AION as Eon and Eons respectively, is the Concordant Literal Version(CLV)(which can be found on-line).
The Youngs Literal Translation renders these words as AGE and AGES which is better and more accurate then "Eternal" but not as accurate as EON(singular) or Eons(plural).
Here is a word concept on EVIL, from the Version named The Dabhar Literal Translation.
evil/ be - [r; [ra‘] ka
The basic stem [r; be evil (Pr24.18) is also translated be smashed (Is24.19), and as active verb smash (Ps2.9). The causal stem (hi) [r;he [he:ra´‘] is rendered do evil‘ (Gn19.9) and do oneself evil‘ (Ps15.4). Four times [r;he [he:ra´‘] is translated smash‘ (Jr25.29; Jr31.28; Ps44.3; Ps74.3). Therefore, biblically a person or an action is described as evil that does smash internally or externally.
Here is the EON a word concept from the Dabhar Literal Translation, you can discover this as TRUER(if you will) then the translation into "Eternal" if you study the Hebrew and Greek occurrences of these words as such place as Biblehub.com.
These words are found over 650 times(SIX-HUNDRED and FIFTY) in the most Popular Bible Canon, for there are other Canons which is another subject:
eon ~l'A[ [‘o:la:´m]
In lack of a suitable English expression, the Hellenic(Greek) word eon was chosen to render the Hebrew word OLAM, ~l'A[. This was done because in the WNC (NT), quotations from the TNK (OT) containing the Hebrew word ~l'A[l. [le‘o:la:´m] for eonian (Psalms110.4) are represented by into the eon (Hebrew 5.6).
Unlike the Hellenic(Greek) word eon, the meaning of the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ can be determined easily. ~l'A[ is derived from ~yli[.h, [hae‘lee´m] conceal‘ (Isaiah 1.15) (of the biblically not occurring ka stem ~l;[') and ~Wl[' [‘a:loo´m] the concealed (Psalms 90.8), as well as from other words of this word family.
Therefore, the Hebrew word OLAM ~l'A[ (and in the word eon, used as a translation) therefore conceptually implies a temporal area of concealment. An apt English translation would be concealment time.
The now present eon (Titus 2.12) contains the time of the present heavens and the earthland (2 Peter 3.7; Ephesians 2.2) which is paraphrased from the eon, and until the eon (Psalms 41.14).
The German Bible translator Hermann Menge translated the Hellenic(Greek) eon (in his "Heilsgeschichtlicher Wegweiser", page 79) with world-time. Also the German theological dictionary "Theologisches Begriffslexikon" (R. Brockhaus, 2nd edition, 1979, volume 2, pages 1457-1462) points out that the idea of a timeless transcendental over-time does not correspond to the concept of time in the OT, but was developed by Plato and adopted by Plutarch.
Dr. théol. Philipe Reymond remarks in his "Dictionaire d'Hébreu et d'Araméen Bibliques" with regard to the Hebrew word ~l'A[: ne pas traduire par "éternité" (never translate by "eternity") il s'agit d'un temps très long (it is all about a very long time).
In the French Bible Translation of A. Chouraqui the content of ~l'A[ is often rendered "pérennité" (defined in "Le Littré", the Dictionary of the Classic French Language, with: "état de ce qui dure longtemps" i.e. a state which lasts long).
The present eon is the time which is described in the WNC (NT) from the eon (Acts 3.21; Acts 15.8) or from the downcast of the cosmos (Luke 11.50), and its conclusion is called together-finishing of the eon (Matthew 13.39).
Since the concealment, in accordance with Matthew 13.35, was carried out from the down- cast of the cosmos, i.e. from the eon, this statement agrees with the translation of ~l'A[me [me:‘o:la:m] from the eon (Psalms 119.52) as from concealment time.
It’s just confusing to me. I know I’m sinful and I know I need God. I partake in drugs and lust, and I should be in hell. However, the very idea that God placed a tree in the garden, with a being that’s way more intelligent than human ,(Satan) , is very strange. Surely our human intelligence tells us that God must not have been very thoughtful for letting this being to tempt us. If Satan had never been allowed in the Garden, Adam and Eve would have never ate the tree. I mean I can’t fully conclude that Adam and Eve wouldn’t have ate it had it not been for Satan, but he was the variable that was needed for sin to reign the universe . If God decided to recreate humans 10 million times, and as long as Satan exists, humanity would always fall into sin. This makes me question whether sin was always a part of God’s plan. Jesus was already prepared to die for humanity before Adam and Eve were even created . Does this mean that God is all powerful? If Good exists, must Evil exist too to keep balance . Even in the afterlife, evil doesn’t cease to exist . According to the Bible Hell doesn’t end just cause some people end up in heaven.
Idk if curiousuty is sin. Adam and Eve never knew what Death meant before they ate the fruit . Imagine this, if you know that your son would be a serial killer, would you want your wife to give birth? If your wife gave birth but you could undo time, wouldn’t you go back in time to unbjrth the child? I feel like Adam and Eve were too dumb to comprehend any sense of right and wrong. It sounds like I’m justifying my sins, but the truth is, you and I didn’t choose to be in this messed up world . We just exist and we have to pay the fines of our ancestors Adam and Eve . And since we come from their DNA, we would have messed up too had we been in their shoes. This whole life doesn’t even make any sense at all
Evidence through science. that's all I got to say. could you tell me about the three little piggies
So God created the mess, puts us in the middle of it, blames us for it, and will save us from it if we submit to his authority... and if we don't, he'll set us on fire. If I put someone in a bad situation that I created then only offered to get them out if they did what I say...that's first class extortion. The math doesn't add up.
Repent and believe the gospel
The way out isn't accepted. The way is doing what you're told. It's offered to everyone
So in the end he just wants to be worshipped for eternity? Bit boring for both sides tbh...
No. If children them heirs of God and coheirs with christ. He wants us to become gods
Lol. What a comedy
God put a lot of Evil and Sufferings in my Life, as long I live I will coplain how Evil creator he is,
Jermey Combs we are the source of our own evil and sufferings in our life.
If you follow evil and think that this is God, you are lost my friend. God is doing everything he could to help you get out of your sins, but you, suffering in a world that is controlled by evil, and blaming it on God, will never be happy. Change and read .
That's wrong my man
He tramps over all evil although according to you and the other calvinists He’s the source of that evil and in fact is one who decrees all evil, God did not command Adam to not eat the fruit because He had already decreed that he would. You are making a mockery of God by implying that God is the source of evil that is blasphemy and you will be judged repent of such grotesque statements about God and believe in Jesus and you will be saved. Any one anywhere at any time Jesus paid for all sin not some.
Blessed
I take Prozac 😳
Blessed are the poor
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Bless
Mhh reading the book
This is bad wrong!!!!!. God's plan did not originally have sin, but He had an alternative should His own planned holy but free will beings to be created bring about sin. God's own preferred plan was sin free, but another plan undesirable by God had to have sin. Be4 sin happened, God had foreseen it & actually was sure that His own created beings would bring it into existence. When He foresaw it, He knew He is not hand tied or unable to control & destroy it. He knew certainly that in case sin came in, He would handle the situation tho this alternative plan would now be hard for His creatures nevertheless they would rightly suffer the consequences of their disobedient actions. His own & preferred plan did not have sin, but because He's God of knowledge & power, any changes by His own creatures would cause Him to switch from His own preferred sinless plan to the new plan with sin. Now, from here it's easy to answer why did God allow sin to exist? Because every being capable to reason as created by God was to have choice not a robot.
1 Peter 1:19 - 21. Sin was always part of the plan
Nonsense Isaiah 45:7
Wait wait wait,.
Doesnt that make god the orriginal sinn3r
Pickle Riiick
It does not. God’s plan to send Jesus Christ in the flesh in order to be glorified was Plan A from before the foundation of the world; therefore, everything that leads to the fulfillment of Plan A is according to His Sovereign Decree. What would be atrocious and unfathomable is that the Creator of the universe’s creation can actually thwart His plans and cause God to scramble with other options of how to make His plan work. A god who cannot foresee everything and has to scramble for other ways is not a god deserving of worship. Thankfully the God of the Bible is in complete control and author of the beginning and the end in all matters.
Man has free will.
God created man, but Man sinned using that freedom of choice which God don't have control of.
Wages of sin is death.
Consequences comes love when you follow God.
Sin by Definition is something that happens trough a created beeing. God ordained that sin will happen through a created beeing like human or angel. The fact that sin happens trough a created beeing makes it accountable because it is evil and god is holy. The answer is maybe not very satisfying but the concept or responsibility even is something we invented to understand why god will punish evil acts but is not necessary according to the bible. The bible just condemns evil thoughts and acts and that god will judge the people who where involved in commiting evil acts.
@@levimark548 There is no condemnation in Christ, we bind and rebuke the thoughts that are higher than God (Word of God). The devil condemns you period.
We have to repent and change our ways aligning the Word Of God (Bible)
Conviction leads you to repentance condemnation drives you to despair.
@@J.F.331... God wills all things to come to pass... God created sin"...R.C.Sproul Jr.
He created rape,murder,adultery,lie, hate,pride,evil?????God gets glorified in destroying people whom he did not give ability to willfully choose Him or reject him?? , and then in his holy justice sents them to Hell,before they were even born???? What a sick mounstrous picture of God Calvinism gives its just sickeing...
Yet Calvinists persist in this unbiblical and irratinal wicked doctrine, which they imagine defends God's sovergnity, but acctually diminishes it..
Calvinist:"If God did not foreordained all things, then He could not know the future.God foreknows and knows all things because He decreed all things to be"...On the contrary, God does not have to decree human thoughts and actions to foreknow them.He knows all beforehand becose he is omniscient.
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Genesis 6:6 debunks Calvinism's false teaching that He decreed the fall of man. If you create something and then INTENTIONALLY engineer it for failure, then you shouldn't be feeling regret and grief afterwards. After all, you engineered it for FAILURE. If God created man and then INTENTIONALLY decreed his fall, then it makes no logical sense for God to feel regret and grief afterwards. Hence, the errant belief that God decreed the fall of man is debunked.
Genesis 6:6KJV - And it REPENTED the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it GRIEVED HIM at his heart.
The Calvinist "God" goes, "Oops, I screwed up!" "Now I'm going to destroy man with the worldwide flood."
The God of the Bible, goes, "I have created man and given him free will, but man has willfully become defiant, disobedient, unfaithful, and very wicked and has screwed up BIG TIME in epic proportions, so therefore I will destroy him with the worldwide flood, but I have spared Noah and his family because he is the only one that fears me and does what is right.
The reason why God felt regret and grief is because God DID NOT decree the fall of man. If He did, then He would not have felt regret and grief afterwards.
wtom04 I can see your argument and I read it with reverence. But, I believe it would be enough for me to just quote what the Puritans wrote on the footnotes of the commentary on that in the 1599 Geneva.
"God doth never repent, but he speaketh after our capacity, because he did destroy him, and in that as it were did disavow hin to be his creature."
I do not see the big matter in all of this. I simply see it as, God knew if He created humans, with absolute free will, they would sin against Him. So He knew just how much it would cost to buy us back after we would sin against Him.. What a loving God!
Richard Park so do you have think it’s true that He knows what we will do before we even do it?
if He don't, He's not a God I want to worship
@@nobuhled
The bible says that God does know the future. If not, then the bible would not have prophets of God in it.
That contradicts God's so called perfection in the Genesis 6:6 passage.
@@jiawei0917
Exactly
Orthodox Christianity made up there own theology, they don’t care what the scriptures say it doesn’t fit with what they teach and believe. When you believe the orthodox position you will stunted from understanding the scriptures and be content with milk.
1. stunted
[ˈstən(t)əd]
ADJECTIVE
1.having been prevented from growing or developing properly.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour,(the last Adam) and another unto dishonour? (the first Adam).
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy,
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Christ is the first born Son of them that will folow.
Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Php 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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This is logically inconsistent
🤮 now he’s belittling Christian’s for their frail beliefs based on insufficient evidence, OMG, such arrogance and tactics of fear mongering, VILE 🤮
This guy supports hrll ge js nits
So it's a Pastor's job to "produce" a certain type of Christian is it?
This guy really thinks he's way more important than he is
Crazy prayingmantis Pastors are responsible for SOULS, Hebrews 13:17. Even Paul wanted to be able to present people blameless before God. Piper is taking God seriously as should we.
Stop objectifying sin. It's anything that displeases God and the disobedience of his will. It is the result of misusing God's gifts like freedom of choice and wisdom to mankind. A dog, a tree or a rock will never sin because they do not have any wisdom to misuse.
VIKING
Doing things that God didn't like is bad and is called sinning. God gave us freewill and wisdom to make responsible choices because he ordered us to follow his will but on our own thinking. Things that we do against his will, displeases Him and we call it a sin. A dog can make choices but cannot be held morally responsible for it.
VIKING
I'm not really a Bible "thumper". But I read it and this is how I'm understanding it: I don't see God in black or white, one track mind, all knowing, a one dimensional, all loving God. Clearly, he allowed himself other emotions.
Take a look at Genesis 1:31
God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
It says here that
1) After creating things and doing things, God allows himself of deciding again whether it pleases him or not. He still look at thing after things transpired. He is not a black or white God. That's why He forgives our sins.
2) "Good" or things that pleases him existed before men, which could also means "bad" or things that displeases God could have existed before men were created. Which means he can decide not to like things. After all, God decided to change things when nothing else existed but Him. He must've wanted changes.
3) God gave us freewill which means He didn't program us to do things to displease him.
4) Jesus thought me that Although we are imperfect in pleasing God because of freewill, praising Him on our freewill pleases Him greatly that he forgives our mistakes.
VIKING
I think the answer why God created everything is in Genesis 1:31. He saw everything he created as pleasing to him. Praising God and following him on our freewill pleases Him. And He expected us to make mistakes so he forgives those who comes back to praise him and follow him. Freewill allowed us to take care of his other creations as well because, again, it pleases Him.
Not all things that men considers bad for himself means it is bad in the eyes of God. As an example, death and suffering is being looked at something bad. But the Bible teaches us that everything in this world is just temporary because God will keep those who continued to please him, despite suffering. However, those who causes suffering to others will be "punished" if they don't repent and work to please God.
VIKING
Of course, if you don't recognize God, then He won't like you. Unlike animals and plants, you understand this because he gave you the freewill and wisdom but most importantly, He created us in his "image". Which means you have a sensible brain to seek the truth, and understand what is pleasing and good.
If you think it's petty to have been created, then it's on you. I'm not sugarcoating anything for you to say God is love blah blah.. If you die on His wrong side, you are fu**ed up more than three ways, like a pet dog who shit on the bed and caused a house fire.
Let me just tell you this, had God not gifted us with freewill, you wouldn't be questioning anything right now. We would all be like plants and animals. The pleasure of creating things and appreciating the results wouldn't exist in you. Yet, you mock God that it's petty to see good on creating things.
VIKING
It's just semantics.
God invented thinking, no wait, change that, he created it. He created everything that he even created the word invented. He created free will that even when we change our mind, it is because He gave it to us. He created Good and Bad, then decided when he favors Good and when he favors Bad.
Does God think like a child? Since everything was created by him, I bet, He can. He can change his mind, He concepted pain, laughter, doubt. He created it all.
If people thinks that God is not omnipotent, it is because of the limited minds of the people, and not of Him. Again, if people want to dictate what is good and bad, then it's on them. But it doesn't change the fact that everything was created. And many people, throughout generations felt of higher being, one way or the other.
Why did God created us? You gotta wrap your head about the concept of God. We hope to understand some of the things he did after death, if we become deserving to be back to Him.
Btw, if omnipotent isn't capable of making mistakes and doing displeasing things, then how can that be?
Omnipotence is ability to do EVERYTHING, including changing His mind at will, electing to give up control or giving free will and bad things.
He has read the Quran ,,,by accident
God's plan didn't seem to include any proof that God exists. big oversight
Jesse Gandy, Oh the universe it's just there nothing to it, just randomly came to be, stars just randomly came to be, galaxies just randomly came to be, don't be fooled. God is everything.
Jesse Gandy
Funny, Peter predicted you, my friend. He also said that the Holy Spirit HAS revealed to you that you were Created by a Holy God, and your excuses will NOT save you at judgement. Youve been warned within your own spirit. We all have.
seek HIS kingdom now..theres no stopping its arrival.
Jesse Gandy What's wrong Jesse you have no response They All just told you the TRUTH where is your destination when you take your last breath?
Physics must've come from congress, with all the laws it's implementing.
Reading scripture written by fallable men 2000 years ago is not proof of God. Complexity does not equal proof that God exists. I also love the smug, almost gleeful attitude of so many Christians when they tell others they are arguing with that they are going to hell for not believing what men wrote. It's one of the many reasons I left. Many Christians preach love and tolerance but don't actually practice it. They are just buying life insurance.