I had an acceptable* understanding of probability from going through greenbook/interviews. So we started with it since I wanted to not rely on tricks and intuition so much
@zeegy9942 Ohh, yeah that makes more sense. I also read other comments where you said this was a satirical video, cause it sounded like you went from like algebra to measure theory. For what it's worth, I'm a (student) dats scientist, so my serving of advanced math is adjacent to, but distinct from, yours. I tried to study Ito integrals once, but I couldn't connect it to my work, so I lost interest. For you, though, it will be very applicable, and I wish you good luck and deep understanding.
Feels like you learned one slightly hard concept (wanted to flex it poorly), didn’t believe in yourself to be disciplined and study and gave up due to shallow desires of making money.
This video is satirical. But it’s much more confusing than anything I’ve done in undergrad. If you are able to help elaborate more on Ito lmk, I’m always down to learn
@@zeegy99 1. Uninstall tft, league, any other distraction. 2. Have the material you want to learn in front of you with no distractions. 3. If you need more help, find other resources that talk about the material until you understand it. I've written a lot of material on graduate SOTA material. It takes time and you aren't stupid, and I don't like people framing themselves as such. It's an excuse to be lazy when in reality you're very smart.
that definition of a sigma-algebra looks so much like the definition of a topology in terms of open sets i was given in the course i'm currently taking. sigma-algebra: X is an element of M | topology: {} and X are elements of T sigma-algebra: stable under countable unions | topology: stable under arbitrary unions sigma-algebra: stable under complementation | topology: stable under finite intersection
@@ThePiotrekpecet Indeed. To give an example, the most prominent one are Borel algebras (defined as the smallest sigma algebra which contains all open sets)
No, this was somewhat ironic. we started from Durrett but I didn’t get what the point of a sigma algebra was and this was a pretty relevant and clear example.
@zeegy9942 sigma algebras define reasonable countable spaces that are important for properties of probability (which is then necessary when you discuss things like brownian motion and random walks). it's really not super crazy, it's just that measure theory and sigma algebras give you a basis for why and how probabilities can interact
Oh I think probability is really fun! (I’m referring to AMC/AIME problems). I did this voluntarily after my interview cycle, where they asked mainly logic-based probability questions.
Measure Theory without Analysis I can be intimidating, I can imagine. Ultimately, books on mathematical domains, which includes Probability Theory, are written for mathematicians. Even derivatives for other professions tend to sometimes follow the mathematical style of the subject. This can be challenging if you do not have a good background in pure math.
Bro i am really afriad i might be not high iq enough for some research level maths( i wish to do a phd in maths). I am almost sure I will also drop my being a mathematician plan. I really dont see any point in avg guys like me trying to become research mathematicians if all the low hanging fruits have been picked
As a former quant, the math you need to know to be a quant is not too hard. What is harder is to convince people that you can be a quant. Perhaps the challenging part of being a good quant are all the different abilities that you need to have. You need to understand different types of contracts, being able to find patterns in massive amounts of data, being able to communicate with traders, being able to put traders ideas into formal computations, being able to create models and to code those ideas into something useful for traders... Some books can prepare you for that (I like Nassim Taleb's Dynamic Hedging because it also tells you how to communicate and think like a trader), but most of the skills you learn them in the job (like most jobs)... again, the real issue is to get the opportunity to work as a quant, once you are in, you just need to work hard and keep learning as much as you can... the learning and creativity required are the most fun parts of the job
Oh that's pretty interesting. Some trader's I've spoken to have said it feels like a game and the researchers have generally done some very high-level math but don't necessarily use it. (It's more screening that they can and enjoy learning hard things). If you're open to talk more feel free to reach out at zeegy609@gmail.com! Any advice helps.
@@benzemamumba a quantitative analysis. They do the math models behind the prices of financial instruments. You can find a funny video online with Ryan Gosling explanation of what a quant is from the movie The Big Short!
honestly no clue, maybe someone who has gone through already can go into more detail about the technicals I’ve heard just enjoy doing solve problems and doing hard things (do leetcode and math). hobbies like chess/poker for example help aswell
Theoretical math is much more interesting to me than practical math, but it sure is tough to find job openings in it. Especially if you are like me and your talent plateaus at the bachelor level. That's why I transitioned to accounting in grad school.
Probability is hard without a proper background. In my university we first studied measure theory for a whole 2nd semester, then probability during the 3rd semester and still a lot of the theorems haven't been proven. So don't call yourself a dummy because you can't understand it. It's hard for everyone
Maths(for me) is only hard cus it gets boring, and just when u can force urself to feel motivated u have finished the content and have to start a new module. Difficulty is rarely an issue, passion comes and goes..
@@steliostoulis1875 bro im doing a masters in maths, its just that my other interests are more appealing than maths. Most concepts in maths are quite similar and not hard to grasp once you have encountered a few challenging concepts. Continuity and the epsilon delta definition was the last time I actually had to engage my brain, most stuff ever since that has been uninteresting
I choose to believe the stuff on screen at 0:37 is not supposed to look complicated, it's just supposed to give the audience some context for what measure theory is about and having it line up with "it is not very easy" in the script was just poor timing. I mean I'm an engineer with no post-graduate education and if it looks easy to me...
ZEEGY ENJOYERS
try to get a job challenge
*impossible*
I was like, "man, you did not start with measure theory."
I had an acceptable* understanding of probability from going through greenbook/interviews. So we started with it since I wanted to not rely on tricks and intuition so much
@zeegy9942 Ohh, yeah that makes more sense. I also read other comments where you said this was a satirical video, cause it sounded like you went from like algebra to measure theory.
For what it's worth, I'm a (student) dats scientist, so my serving of advanced math is adjacent to, but distinct from, yours. I tried to study Ito integrals once, but I couldn't connect it to my work, so I lost interest. For you, though, it will be very applicable, and I wish you good luck and deep understanding.
If you want to get into probabilites and stochastic processes, measure theory is THE place to start.
Got the same courses but in another uni obviously. I feel you man. Though honestly I liked them a lot, but passing them was a mess.
Feels like you learned one slightly hard concept (wanted to flex it poorly), didn’t believe in yourself to be disciplined and study and gave up due to shallow desires of making money.
This video is satirical. But it’s much more confusing than anything I’ve done in undergrad. If you are able to help elaborate more on Ito lmk, I’m always down to learn
@@zeegy99 1. Uninstall tft, league, any other distraction. 2. Have the material you want to learn in front of you with no distractions. 3. If you need more help, find other resources that talk about the material until you understand it.
I've written a lot of material on graduate SOTA material. It takes time and you aren't stupid, and I don't like people framing themselves as such. It's an excuse to be lazy when in reality you're very smart.
@@zeegy99Ito's lemma is just chain rule for stochastic calculus (:
@@pteroducktylus1189 :3
@@zeegy99 I did respond to you but it seems like you deleted what I said. cool!
that definition of a sigma-algebra looks so much like the definition of a topology in terms of open sets i was given in the course i'm currently taking.
sigma-algebra: X is an element of M | topology: {} and X are elements of T
sigma-algebra: stable under countable unions | topology: stable under arbitrary unions
sigma-algebra: stable under complementation | topology: stable under finite intersection
Many (maybe even most) sigma algebras that are actually used in probability are just generated by topologies
@@ThePiotrekpecet Indeed. To give an example, the most prominent one are Borel algebras (defined as the smallest sigma algebra which contains all open sets)
are they for real, non-ironically, seriously teaching you martingales as a BASIC example for measure theory??
No, this was somewhat ironic. we started from Durrett but I didn’t get what the point of a sigma algebra was and this was a pretty relevant and clear example.
@@zeegy99 oh okay, i get it now. i study in a "third world" country, so i believed martingales are what they actually teach
@zeegy9942 sigma algebras define reasonable countable spaces that are important for properties of probability (which is then necessary when you discuss things like brownian motion and random walks). it's really not super crazy, it's just that measure theory and sigma algebras give you a basis for why and how probabilities can interact
Urm, what the sigma ☝️🤓@@mschuhler
@@pascalroosendaal4981 brother it is not our fault you peaked in middle school
Doing my thesis in stochastic optimization wish me luck ♥
I'm just glad I finished my masters in mathematics without needing much of probability theory
Please continue this format!
Analysis > Probability > Algrebra > Rest
I will have Probability next year and I'm already worried about it. But first I have to finish the first year of mathematical studies
Oh I think probability is really fun! (I’m referring to AMC/AIME problems). I did this voluntarily after my interview cycle, where they asked mainly logic-based probability questions.
Measure Theory without Analysis I can be intimidating, I can imagine.
Ultimately, books on mathematical domains, which includes Probability Theory, are written for mathematicians. Even derivatives for other professions tend to sometimes follow the mathematical style of the subject. This can be challenging if you do not have a good background in pure math.
Great video man
You got this, it’d not that hard
Bro i am really afriad i might be not high iq enough for some research level maths( i wish to do a phd in maths). I am almost sure I will also drop my being a mathematician plan. I really dont see any point in avg guys like me trying to become research mathematicians if all the low hanging fruits have been picked
Mate if you can understand point set topology then you'll probably be able to understand anything with enough time
As a former quant, the math you need to know to be a quant is not too hard. What is harder is to convince people that you can be a quant. Perhaps the challenging part of being a good quant are all the different abilities that you need to have. You need to understand different types of contracts, being able to find patterns in massive amounts of data, being able to communicate with traders, being able to put traders ideas into formal computations, being able to create models and to code those ideas into something useful for traders... Some books can prepare you for that (I like Nassim Taleb's Dynamic Hedging because it also tells you how to communicate and think like a trader), but most of the skills you learn them in the job (like most jobs)... again, the real issue is to get the opportunity to work as a quant, once you are in, you just need to work hard and keep learning as much as you can... the learning and creativity required are the most fun parts of the job
Oh that's pretty interesting. Some trader's I've spoken to have said it feels like a game and the researchers have generally done some very high-level math but don't necessarily use it. (It's more screening that they can and enjoy learning hard things).
If you're open to talk more feel free to reach out at zeegy609@gmail.com! Any advice helps.
What is a Quant?
@@benzemamumba a quantitative analysis. They do the math models behind the prices of financial instruments. You can find a funny video online with Ryan Gosling explanation of what a quant is from the movie The Big Short!
Which college you at?
yo bro im planning to enter quant too im still at pre u wut do u think i can prepare for tis ( obv i cant do advanced maths yet)
honestly no clue, maybe someone who has gone through already can go into more detail about the technicals
I’ve heard just enjoy doing solve problems and doing hard things (do leetcode and math). hobbies like chess/poker for example help aswell
Theoretical math is much more interesting to me than practical math, but it sure is tough to find job openings in it. Especially if you are like me and your talent plateaus at the bachelor level. That's why I transitioned to accounting in grad school.
You transitioned? What are your pronouns?
@@benzemamumba I prefer the term schmuck personally.
Probability is hard without a proper background. In my university we first studied measure theory for a whole 2nd semester, then probability during the 3rd semester and still a lot of the theorems haven't been proven. So don't call yourself a dummy because you can't understand it. It's hard for everyone
is this is still good this patch or is there new build
Poker got nerfed but I heard this is hidden meta
they didn't count for black swans
Should have went Physics Major
Math is cool
nah you're selling yourself short
Maths(for me) is only hard cus it gets boring, and just when u can force urself to feel motivated u have finished the content and have to start a new module. Difficulty is rarely an issue, passion comes and goes..
You havent envountered enough high level yet
@@steliostoulis1875 bro im doing a masters in maths, its just that my other interests are more appealing than maths. Most concepts in maths are quite similar and not hard to grasp once you have encountered a few challenging concepts. Continuity and the epsilon delta definition was the last time I actually had to engage my brain, most stuff ever since that has been uninteresting
@@peamutbubberAren’t continuity and epsilon delta both in Calculus 1? Thats not really high level math
Beach please. 😅
1:00 deeznuts :D
Real
oi same
You love money more than math. Am I right? :)
I get that this is a joke/a rant, but really you only made yourself look like a fool. oo look, a definition! what i study is soooooooo hard
I choose to believe the stuff on screen at 0:37 is not supposed to look complicated, it's just supposed to give the audience some context for what measure theory is about and having it line up with "it is not very easy" in the script was just poor timing. I mean I'm an engineer with no post-graduate education and if it looks easy to me...