All in, I've seemingly found my niche for games. These sprawling RPG's are my type of game. I love Tainted Grail, can't wait for that campaign to get everything I don't have. I also love chip theory. Have Burncycle, cloudspire and went all in on TMB during Unbreakable. And by all in I mean the completionist pledge. I like big games with quality components and great story.
@@prototypep4 next year get yourself Zerywia. They're still working on the rulebook, so while you get a good game now, next year it will be better. Also for sprawling RPGs Aftermath could be of interest.
thanks for this thorough overview, i wished i had seen it beore backing it, hadnt changed anything though, just the pledge levels are overwhelming and hard to understand fo rme with all the stuff, pictures, videos and so on, which your video clarifies way better.
Critical, Euthia looks amazing. The elementals look unbelievable as well as the rest of the miniatures. I am all in, even if if I don’t play it, it looks so incredible, that I just want it in my collection.☺️
IMO the experience/feedback that led to the improvements to co-op/solo should have been incorporated in the core, other companies have done this Creative Games Studio LLC - Chronicles of Drunagor - Age of Darkness and Sky Kingdom Games - Dungeons of Infinity: Kingdom Cost, bot popular highly rated games. I get Stronghold want to maximise return for minimum effort but they have the knowledge and resources together with Diea to update the system and likely retaining the price point e.g. solo/co-op card deck and revised rulebook. The work is done so it's just reorganising/reformatting. The alternative is to either have an inferior core, yes lots of cardboard but nowhere near as good as the expansion system or pay double to get the expansion rules and cards. Ironically the more information on the expansion the less attractive the core seems, I backed but have now cancelled, $200 for a game is a sacrifice $400 for a game I have never played is unjustifiable and for me unaffordable. We are in the middle of a global cost of living crisis and tying up $400 for 1 yr+ with a risk of losing it, I would have taken the low risk with $200 if the core system had been improved and maybe in the future get expansion characters, campaigns, scenarios.
It is a hard time to be trying to collect this much from anyone, and in such a short time span too! I think the sticker price is going to be just too much for many who haven't tried the game at all. Hopefully things will calm down and this will be cheaper second hand or in future printings.
As its not going to retail, i dont think we will see cheap second hand copies. On the other hand i think this will become an object of value between board gamers. Just as we have seen with the original Hero quest game before the new edition arrived. The only thing speaking against this is the initial high price. Are people willing to pay more than that for a second hand game?
I think there is no question that this is a premium product... but you will get on the table an amazing experience if, important, you like the genre. I'm in considering that I sold the previus KS knowing that their was a new campaign... that was cancelled. Thanks god Steamforge come to save us all :)
@@criticalfail I can understand but see the fact that most of the people will play maybe in one year (btw i didn't sold mine for crazy price i think 30% more than i paid)
If it was just standees and the game, i think i would have jumped in. I don't need miniatures in my games anymore. Rather have nice art then grey mini's which are never going to get painted or look good. First time viewer. Great video and impressed with the channel and content. Keep it up!
Thanks for watching! Welcome to the channel. For me the black wash they are throwing in is quite nice until I find time to paint the minis, but I totally understand having good looking full color standees.
Yeah, i can understand where you can coming from. Minis in any game are just 'fluff' and doesn't add to the gameplay, other than some people feel they get more immersed into the game world with them. But on the other hand, i can also see the point from the publisher, as several pledge levels bump up the overall manufactoring costs. So its a compromise we have to accept, if we want the game.
Absolute thieves, returning backers costs $225 for those who bought the all-in of the original, that is, they ask for less than half the content of the base game the same price or something more... or perhaps what they imply is that if you want them to give you the expansion you have to pay twice what any equivalent game is worth in a physical store, because they have not optimized the costs of producing it, but they will continue to benefit well!
To be fair the expansion is twice the size of a game you would get in a store. Stores don't stock large games or expansions like this because they don't sell as well as the cheaper small box game and they occupy far too much shelf space. The whole thing is expensive I absolutely agree. This campaign comes down to what it is worth for each backer.
@@criticalfail the minis from the first print were gunky under the base and both there and elsewhere the blackwash would come off too easily probably because there was no finish on it
Yikes! Well let’s hope it’s better. I would love to paint these, but they won’t be done anytime soon. I know I will have playing with the wash for a bit at least.
I love the look of this game and combat system, but I'm worried about the price. I'm in Australia and it is about 4 times the cost of Mage Knight Ultimate box. Do you think it has 4 times the content of Mage Knight? I'm just trying to decide if I should just buy Mage Knight instead this (I have not played either).
Fellow aussie here, to me Euthia looks like MK turned to 11 if that makes sense. I backed it all in instead of getting MK. You really only need one of the two and I feel like Euthia has a better longevity to it.
Never played MK, it is on my wishlist. I have heard a few people who's opinion I trust say it is a heavier MK, but if you like MK you will like Euthia. Sorry I can't do better than that!
I have played both. Even though the games seem similar with the exploration and tiles, the gameplay is wastly different. MK primarily uses cards and deckbuilding mechanics. You play cards in order to move, interact with stuff and/or attack enemies, so you can level up, get better cards, etc. This mechanic is basically a complex puzzle of playing the right cards in the right way in order to optimize your every turn. This is why MK is such a heavy game and makes you prone to analysis paralysis. It is still very cool though, if you like thinky games, as the rewards for a great turn is a feeling of superiority and awesomeness (and of course leveling up and loot) :-) Euthia on the other hand uses a action token type system, where you spend the tokens to do stuff (mining, trade, combat). This makes the gameplay much faster and you get around the map much quicker and you get to do more stuff in a shorter period of time. The each parts of the gameplay, like combat, getting loot, interacting with stuff are all very different from the two games. Get MK if you want a puzzly and thinky (and cheaper) game, but get Euthia if you 'just want to explore the heck out of a game' (give me ALL the map tiles!) :-) Both choices are cool and I dont think you'll regret getting any of those. Maybe you'll regret the one you didn't get, so remember that euthia is not going to retail (as per the KS page). Just sayin'
@@jackpotman1984 that's a great summary. Thanks for taking the time. After watching video plays of both, Euthia looks to be more my style of game. I'm only hesitant due to the high price - it's around Aus$750 for the All-In and postage - Ouch! I guess I have a week to decide (I've pledged $1 at present)
They likely were not. I had to dig to find so many of the details about the expansions. Most of the information in the video that didn't come from the Kickstarter campaign, came from the Gamefound campaign or the updates.
I am getting the all in pledge. I have played it on Tabletopia and instantly fell in love. But my worry is with the rulebook. I remember it as terrible. Do you think there will be any improvements here?
So it sounds like a yes. Mostly to clear some things up. They don't have plans for a physical copy for returning backers, but I am pressing for a way to buy a new physical rulebook.
Yeah, it really is a high price. But there is a lot of stuff in the box, so I dont think they overcharge. Its just a premium product. But you can always play it on tabletopia if you like to check it out :-)
@@jackpotman1984 totally. I never said it was over priced. Just high, which then depends on the individual and their finances. $180 for one game is not in my wheelhouse. Definitely not now especially.
Are you backing? What are your thoughts on this resurrected campaign?
I still have to finish at least one of my existing campaigns before getting another, so not right now, but it has cute pictures.
All in, I've seemingly found my niche for games. These sprawling RPG's are my type of game. I love Tainted Grail, can't wait for that campaign to get everything I don't have. I also love chip theory. Have Burncycle, cloudspire and went all in on TMB during Unbreakable. And by all in I mean the completionist pledge. I like big games with quality components and great story.
@@prototypep4 next year get yourself Zerywia. They're still working on the rulebook, so while you get a good game now, next year it will be better.
Also for sprawling RPGs Aftermath could be of interest.
@@kosterix123 I'll check out both :) cheers
thanks for this thorough overview, i wished i had seen it beore backing it, hadnt changed anything though, just the pledge levels are overwhelming and hard to understand fo rme with all the stuff, pictures, videos and so on, which your video clarifies way better.
Yea sorry they didn't choose to take advantage of the video. Their campaign page was a mess!
Critical, Euthia looks amazing. The elementals look unbelievable as well as the rest of the miniatures. I am all in, even if if I don’t play it, it looks so incredible, that I just want it in my collection.☺️
Definitely play it! Should be a good one for the little one down the road too.
Thanks for making the overview. I wanted to back, but it cancelled. And now, I went all in. (typo "Kickstatrer" in title)
Thank you! I appreciate it
IMO the experience/feedback that led to the improvements to co-op/solo should have been incorporated in the core, other companies have done this Creative Games Studio LLC -
Chronicles of Drunagor - Age of Darkness and Sky Kingdom Games - Dungeons of Infinity: Kingdom Cost, bot popular highly rated games.
I get Stronghold want to maximise return for minimum effort but they have the knowledge and resources together with Diea to update the system and likely retaining the price point e.g. solo/co-op card deck and revised rulebook. The work is done so it's just reorganising/reformatting. The alternative is to either have an inferior core, yes lots of cardboard but nowhere near as good as the expansion system or pay double to get the expansion rules and cards.
Ironically the more information on the expansion the less attractive the core seems, I backed but have now cancelled, $200 for a game is a sacrifice $400 for a game I have never played is unjustifiable and for me unaffordable.
We are in the middle of a global cost of living crisis and tying up $400 for 1 yr+ with a risk of losing it, I would have taken the low risk with $200 if the core system had been improved and maybe in the future get expansion characters, campaigns, scenarios.
It is a hard time to be trying to collect this much from anyone, and in such a short time span too! I think the sticker price is going to be just too much for many who haven't tried the game at all. Hopefully things will calm down and this will be cheaper second hand or in future printings.
As its not going to retail, i dont think we will see cheap second hand copies. On the other hand i think this will become an object of value between board gamers. Just as we have seen with the original Hero quest game before the new edition arrived.
The only thing speaking against this is the initial high price. Are people willing to pay more than that for a second hand game?
I think there is no question that this is a premium product... but you will get on the table an amazing experience if, important, you like the genre.
I'm in considering that I sold the previus KS knowing that their was a new campaign... that was cancelled. Thanks god Steamforge come to save us all :)
Haha yea I was so happy it returned. Now I wish I had waited to get my copy. I paid way too much getting it on the aftermarket.
@@criticalfail I can understand but see the fact that most of the people will play maybe in one year (btw i didn't sold mine for crazy price i think 30% more than i paid)
If it was just standees and the game, i think i would have jumped in. I don't need miniatures in my games anymore. Rather have nice art then grey mini's which are never going to get painted or look good.
First time viewer. Great video and impressed with the channel and content. Keep it up!
Thanks for watching! Welcome to the channel.
For me the black wash they are throwing in is quite nice until I find time to paint the minis, but I totally understand having good looking full color standees.
Yeah, i can understand where you can coming from. Minis in any game are just 'fluff' and doesn't add to the gameplay, other than some people feel they get more immersed into the game world with them.
But on the other hand, i can also see the point from the publisher, as several pledge levels bump up the overall manufactoring costs.
So its a compromise we have to accept, if we want the game.
Absolute thieves, returning backers costs $225 for those who bought the all-in of the original, that is, they ask for less than half the content of the base game the same price or something more... or perhaps what they imply is that if you want them to give you the expansion you have to pay twice what any equivalent game is worth in a physical store, because they have not optimized the costs of producing it, but they will continue to benefit well!
To be fair the expansion is twice the size of a game you would get in a store. Stores don't stock large games or expansions like this because they don't sell as well as the cheaper small box game and they occupy far too much shelf space. The whole thing is expensive I absolutely agree. This campaign comes down to what it is worth for each backer.
hoping the wash isn't crap like last time : / a clean mini would be nicer imo
Hmmm I didn't get washed minis in my copy. The pictures didn't look bad.
@@criticalfail the minis from the first print were gunky under the base and both there and elsewhere the blackwash would come off too easily probably because there was no finish on it
Yikes! Well let’s hope it’s better. I would love to paint these, but they won’t be done anytime soon. I know I will have playing with the wash for a bit at least.
I love the look of this game and combat system, but I'm worried about the price. I'm in Australia and it is about 4 times the cost of Mage Knight Ultimate box. Do you think it has 4 times the content of Mage Knight? I'm just trying to decide if I should just buy Mage Knight instead this (I have not played either).
Fellow aussie here, to me Euthia looks like MK turned to 11 if that makes sense. I backed it all in instead of getting MK. You really only need one of the two and I feel like Euthia has a better longevity to it.
Never played MK, it is on my wishlist. I have heard a few people who's opinion I trust say it is a heavier MK, but if you like MK you will like Euthia. Sorry I can't do better than that!
I have played both.
Even though the games seem similar with the exploration and tiles, the gameplay is wastly different. MK primarily uses cards and deckbuilding mechanics. You play cards in order to move, interact with stuff and/or attack enemies, so you can level up, get better cards, etc. This mechanic is basically a complex puzzle of playing the right cards in the right way in order to optimize your every turn. This is why MK is such a heavy game and makes you prone to analysis paralysis. It is still very cool though, if you like thinky games, as the rewards for a great turn is a feeling of superiority and awesomeness (and of course leveling up and loot) :-)
Euthia on the other hand uses a action token type system, where you spend the tokens to do stuff (mining, trade, combat). This makes the gameplay much faster and you get around the map much quicker and you get to do more stuff in a shorter period of time. The each parts of the gameplay, like combat, getting loot, interacting with stuff are all very different from the two games.
Get MK if you want a puzzly and thinky (and cheaper) game, but get Euthia if you 'just want to explore the heck out of a game' (give me ALL the map tiles!) :-)
Both choices are cool and I dont think you'll regret getting any of those. Maybe you'll regret the one you didn't get, so remember that euthia is not going to retail (as per the KS page). Just sayin'
@@jackpotman1984 the no retail is also why I went Euthia. I can get MK anytime.
@@jackpotman1984 that's a great summary. Thanks for taking the time. After watching video plays of both, Euthia looks to be more my style of game. I'm only hesitant due to the high price - it's around Aus$750 for the All-In and postage - Ouch! I guess I have a week to decide (I've pledged $1 at present)
Have you played Folklore the Affliction? If so, if I have that and like that what would make someone want Euthia in addition?
I have not. I almost got a chance to grab a copy, but someone got there first.
Where are the random events mentioned in the kickstarter?
They likely were not. I had to dig to find so many of the details about the expansions. Most of the information in the video that didn't come from the Kickstarter campaign, came from the Gamefound campaign or the updates.
@@criticalfail Hmm are you sure they didn't take them out and create the player stories?
14:18 Would rather call it stepped-difficulty instead of semi-random
That is actually a much better way to explain the map sprawl. Thanks!
I am getting the all in pledge.
I have played it on Tabletopia and instantly fell in love.
But my worry is with the rulebook. I remember it as terrible.
Do you think there will be any improvements here?
So it sounds like a yes. Mostly to clear some things up. They don't have plans for a physical copy for returning backers, but I am pressing for a way to buy a new physical rulebook.
Super interested. BUT I won't be backing. Price tag just too high. I'm sure it'll be fantastic for those that back!
Yea I hate that it is so high. Its a hard time to be selling anything that expensive on crowdfunding.
Yeah, it really is a high price. But there is a lot of stuff in the box, so I dont think they overcharge. Its just a premium product.
But you can always play it on tabletopia if you like to check it out :-)
@@jackpotman1984 totally. I never said it was over priced. Just high, which then depends on the individual and their finances. $180 for one game is not in my wheelhouse. Definitely not now especially.
lol washes cost extra for Kickstarters? Washes are easy to make and dirt cheap.
Yup and they charge a premium for it. It’s good business though. Lots of people love it
Edit the typo in your title
Thanks I got it. Fat fingered that one.