Energy storage in salt - how nanoparticles are revolutionising the industry.

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  • The energy storage sector is becoming a pretty crowded and competitive field as more and more companies come up with solutions that will be absolutely crucial to dealing with the intermittency of renewable technologies. Now there’s one more technology to add to the list that looks set for a bright future, not just as a supplier of grid balancing power but also because of its ability to feed direct heat energy into industrial processes and municipal heating systems.
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Komentáře • 710

  • @dachsdk1559
    @dachsdk1559 Před 3 lety +172

    If at all possible, I would really appreciate if you could make an episode, condensing or summing up all the various energy storage plans and projects thus far. Sort of a "where are we at" episode.
    As you said, a lot of different energy storage ideas are popping up these days, and it's pretty hard to keep track of it all.
    Of the top of my head, there is Pumped storage, Li-ion batteries, Molten iron? batteries, Liquid air, various hydrogen projects, Gravity "hoisted" storage, and I'm sure there is more. All of them more or less clean and with wildly differing efficiency.
    Anyway, thanks for yet another outstanding episode :)

    • @JustHaveaThink
      @JustHaveaThink  Před 3 lety +71

      Might be a challenging (and quite long) video. I'll give it some thought though :-)

    • @markusgrain8053
      @markusgrain8053 Před 3 lety +14

      @@JustHaveaThink it doesn't have to be long or complicated, as you already have videos explaining these techs in detail on your channel
      dachs probably thought of just a brief overview - from which you can then refere to your other videos

    • @code4chaosmobile
      @code4chaosmobile Před 3 lety +5

      I like the idea of where we are at video. curious what the pace of the industry is at and what to expect gaps wise to be ahead.

    • @chrisking7603
      @chrisking7603 Před 3 lety

      @@JustHaveaThink Another well-researched episode. Green anhydrous ammonia too! Apart from grid-level storage and export potential from renewables-laced countries, I'm really interested in the potential to perform the equivalent of an LPG conversion on the world's existing mountain of fossil burners. Whatever happened to www.nh3car.com/

    • @ravenousvisages
      @ravenousvisages Před 3 lety +6

      I'll raise the bar... how many of these energy plans and projects can work together synergistically?

  • @DeathValleyDazed
    @DeathValleyDazed Před 3 lety +59

    Your channel is literally “the salt of the earth”!

    • @JustHaveaThink
      @JustHaveaThink  Před 3 lety +7

      Bless you sir :-)

    • @k.sullivan6303
      @k.sullivan6303 Před 3 lety

      Yes, but old people dont count! However, it is becoming more homosexual friendly.

    • @k.sullivan6303
      @k.sullivan6303 Před 3 lety

      Haaaaaaaaa.... Pope Flashbacks!

    • @xenocampanoli815
      @xenocampanoli815 Před 3 lety

      @@JustHaveaThink Hey, (speaking as the xenophobic American) I thought they didn't use "Sir" in England because it means something different over there with all that traditional classism you guys have...?

  • @jimhood1202
    @jimhood1202 Před 3 lety +9

    JHAT is now standard Sunday breakfast watching here in Panama. There's nothing to beat starting the morning on a positive note. Thanks.

  • @timl.b.2095
    @timl.b.2095 Před 3 lety +41

    I wish more CZcamsrs were like you, especially the scientific ones. Calm, sensible delivery; no "dramatic" waving the hands about (more and more widespread); no pointless music -- actually NO music to make it harder to understand. I watched a scientific elephant video recently that had several different types of free music, none of it related to the images at all. Must stop ranting.

    • @code4chaosmobile
      @code4chaosmobile Před 3 lety +7

      Agreed. No flash, no glitter just a simple conversation.

  • @dewiz9596
    @dewiz9596 Před 3 lety +25

    Love having people make me have a think. . .

    • @code4chaosmobile
      @code4chaosmobile Před 3 lety +1

      Agreed. I immediately thought of sustainable fish farming and desalinization along the coasts for fresh water. Then for uses off world or hyper remote locations.

    • @soulfirexit351
      @soulfirexit351 Před 3 lety

      Me Too! Love it! What a Great Game I Have Won...

  • @jamesoxford7653
    @jamesoxford7653 Před 3 lety +25

    Watching your video's is one of the highlights of my Sunday's, thank you for everything you do.

  • @rickblackwell6435
    @rickblackwell6435 Před 3 lety +36

    Fascinating and hopeful.

  • @wilhelmtell536
    @wilhelmtell536 Před 3 lety +9

    Thank you for your thoughtful analysis and continuing to expose us to new technology.

  • @fredericrike5974
    @fredericrike5974 Před 3 lety +66

    Interesting! If I heard this correctly, the nano coating also significantly reduces the corrosive nature of salts. If it can be applied to the fluorine and other salt bases in the thorium cycle it could help solve one of the bigger engineering problems, and add another generating technology to the mix. The spent fuel wouldn't seem to need separation- thorium isn't emmissive at low temperature and could be processed into the concrete products.More and more interesting! FWIW, I am also glad to see the encouragement from commenters from one to another rather than the flame wars that had become too common. The thinking process is taking hold again!

    • @treasurehunter3744
      @treasurehunter3744 Před 3 lety +8

      I'm not sure that will be possible, even though I agree with you that would be awesome.
      The salt, as I understand, is mostly solid. In a msr, the salt is all liquid. The nano particles may not be effective then.
      I like the way you think though!

    • @fredericrike5974
      @fredericrike5974 Před 3 lety +3

      @@treasurehunter3744 You may well be right, but it seems the way to the technology to make thorium a reality may have a new wrinkle. The corrosive nature of the liquid salts have been one of the largest ongoing holdups from what I have read or seen. I'm not a nuclear engineer, but grew up around engineers, so I definitely have that curiosity bone!

    • @Jay...777
      @Jay...777 Před 3 lety +6

      ThorCon is about 4 years away from having Thorium salt reactors up and running in Indonesia. They have ways of removing oxygen and water from the mix and using Xenon to prevent corrosion. Details in this vid czcams.com/video/oB1IrzDDI9g/video.html

    • @Kevin_Street
      @Kevin_Street Před 3 lety +1

      This would probably depend upon how hot the salt can get before the nano coating begins to break down. In the video the calcium hydroxide/calcium oxide solution gets up to 500 C, but wouldn't the salt solutions in a thorium reactor be much hotter than that? I don't really know, but it seems like it might be a problem.

    • @Jay...777
      @Jay...777 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Kevin_Street The corrosion problem is solved. Details in this vid czcams.com/video/oB1IrzDDI9g/video.html

  • @theic3guy579
    @theic3guy579 Před 3 lety +3

    I’ve am a Proud stock owner of the Company SaltX that have this amazing tech, and i have been for over 3 years. This company is finding its place and growing. Thank you for an interesting video

    • @Baekstrom
      @Baekstrom Před 3 lety

      I bought for roughly €2000 after I saw this video. So far it has dropped quite a bit, but I think that increasing bond yields are responsible for that. The business plan is still sound.

    • @theic3guy579
      @theic3guy579 Před 3 lety

      @@Baekstrom a typical ”sell on news”

  • @jaskaransingh3556
    @jaskaransingh3556 Před 3 lety +1

    I have actually visited their lab and office in Stockholm. They have a very nice demonstration of this concept using a hollow steel rod with two chambers. They have developed not one but several different patented coatings each able to function in a separate range of temperatures.
    There's only so much you can store and covert because of the efficiency of the process, so they also work on developing efficient heat exchanger designs.

  • @KimiAvary
    @KimiAvary Před 3 lety +1

    I enjoy your calming descriptions of technology. Thank you.

  • @Elwin3918
    @Elwin3918 Před 3 lety +6

    Nanotechnology;molten salt x truly innovative ,excellent 👍🏾

  • @justaguy6216
    @justaguy6216 Před 3 lety +8

    This is literally the most steam punk enegry storage device I've seen. I love it.

    • @mememan2344
      @mememan2344 Před 3 lety +1

      I'm loving the fact that multiple energy sources are becoming possible. Reminds me of the movie speed racer where the cars run on anything from fuel cells, to ICE, electricity, etc. People said that was sci-fi- but nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to what is really possible.

    • @justaguy6216
      @justaguy6216 Před 3 lety

      @@mememan2344 Well we'll see whats viable long term. Since we're currently in a technological shift we have a lot of different ideas floating around. Once we test all the tech the most robust one (or a combination) will prevail and become ubiquitous.

    • @mememan2344
      @mememan2344 Před 3 lety +1

      @@justaguy6216 definitely. There will be a main one and of course secondary ones and exotic special custom ones as well

  • @MachineThatCreates
    @MachineThatCreates Před 3 lety

    I like it. Efficient , Controllable and not overly complicated. Less toxic than traditional storage elements.

  • @chuckkottke
    @chuckkottke Před 3 lety +6

    Thanks Dave for bringing to light a fantastic new way to store heat! Like slaking lime from the kilns, but with the nanotechnology coating to prevent clumping, and at a power density of 420 kwh/tonne vs 250 for conventional salt, plus a common elements solution that won't corrode the vessels, very nice! Combined with superinsulated buildings, the solution appears in sight. I'll bet this would work well even in Texas, maybe now they've seen the light?? 🌞

    • @poppasan1873
      @poppasan1873 Před 3 lety

      All Texas had to do was winterize their power supplies like their more northern neighbors do.

  • @crecclestonable
    @crecclestonable Před 3 lety

    Brilliant work, clear, consice and informative. I love it, more more more please.

  • @ferdousazamkhan9840
    @ferdousazamkhan9840 Před 3 lety

    I feel you liquid air power storage idea was the best one till date.

  • @vicbauwens
    @vicbauwens Před 3 lety

    Love your channel, clear and to the point, well researched and pleasant to watch! 👌

  • @frankronald5761
    @frankronald5761 Před 3 lety

    You present so very well. Thank you for the videos.

  • @emmettthompson2167
    @emmettthompson2167 Před 3 lety

    Another fantastic mind opening video report!! Thank you for all the great work you do to make the planet a better place!

  • @richardabrahams585
    @richardabrahams585 Před 2 lety

    Outstanding research guy’s!!! Outstanding science education!!! Bravo.

  • @anders21karlsson
    @anders21karlsson Před 3 lety +3

    Great video as always.

  • @jamesg2382
    @jamesg2382 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video as usual, thank you. A really interesting new breakthrough.

  • @davidallyn1818
    @davidallyn1818 Před 3 lety

    Wow! I love your channel! Thanks for putting together these videos (and insights)!

  • @veronicathecow
    @veronicathecow Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent videos, keep up the great work.

  • @timgrose7134
    @timgrose7134 Před 3 lety

    As usual, Dave, thank you very much!

  • @Amanda-vc1lp
    @Amanda-vc1lp Před 3 lety +13

    Yay! Just Have A Think uploaded a video, it's a good morning! ✌

    • @JustHaveaThink
      @JustHaveaThink  Před 3 lety +1

      Hope you enjoyed it! :-)

    • @Amanda-vc1lp
      @Amanda-vc1lp Před 3 lety

      @@JustHaveaThink definitely a great video, informative as always!

  • @jefferee2002
    @jefferee2002 Před 3 lety

    As usual, an excellent video. You do a fantastic job of explaining technology to the layman.

  • @alaneasthope2357
    @alaneasthope2357 Před 3 lety +2

    Interesting video. This looks as though it can be applied on a number of different scales.

  • @bonniepoole1095
    @bonniepoole1095 Před 3 lety +2

    Another excellent vid! Thanks, Dave!

  • @tirua100
    @tirua100 Před 3 lety +8

    Yeah, I've been interested in the different thermal storage options being developed. Here in Adelaide, South Australia there's a company called 1414 that has developed a thermal storage system using silicon as the storage medium. Primarily it was developed as an industrial scale source of heat for industry but it now it has also developed a turbine to derive electricity. Recently it installed it's GASS- TESS system at the sewage treatment plant here in Adelaide. These thermal systems seem great to me, they all seem amazingly scalable and extremely versatile. The salt tech you show here has the added benefit of longevity of storage which sort of sets it apart, very encouraging.

    • @markfinch8934
      @markfinch8934 Před 3 lety +1

      If the temp is high enough it could be used to create green ammonia without the need of electrolizers

  • @salta5859
    @salta5859 Před 3 lety

    Thx for your time of bringing intelligent and deep inside explanation. Many, many thx

  • @Yanquetino
    @Yanquetino Před 3 lety

    More encouraging developments! I commented in Patreon, Dave. Thanks for posting another informative episode!

  • @gaeb-hd4lf
    @gaeb-hd4lf Před 3 lety

    awesome technology and awesome video !

  • @avejst
    @avejst Před 3 lety +3

    Great Video as always, and great news.
    My biggest problem with Renewable Energy, has always been a usabel storage .
    Thanks for sharing :-)

    • @TheSpecio
      @TheSpecio Před 3 lety +1

      It still IS your biggest problem.
      1 tonne of calcium oxide has a capacity of 400 kWh.
      1 tonne of diesel fuel has a capacity of 13.000 kWh.

  • @penguinuprighter6231
    @penguinuprighter6231 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video. Thanks for that.

  • @robertjames1259
    @robertjames1259 Před 3 lety

    Yeah you are always on top of topic
    Love your show

  • @stonks3951
    @stonks3951 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for this informative video.

  • @TheMrGoncharov
    @TheMrGoncharov Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you! Good content!

  • @potjezalf
    @potjezalf Před 3 lety

    Amazing video (as always). Keep going!

  • @rb1054
    @rb1054 Před 3 lety

    Thank you for your work!

  • @CommieBastard-dj9ot
    @CommieBastard-dj9ot Před 3 lety +3

    My wife and I are saving for and planing to design our dream house and your videos give us so many cool ideas! It'd be interesting to see if something like this could be combined with a sterling engine for home scale power storage

    • @stevemickler452
      @stevemickler452 Před 3 lety

      I wonder about a steam turbine/alternator in which the steam would spin successively larger bladed wheels which would each have coils and be a separate alternator. This could also provide hot water and space heating. Maybe a wood burning fireplace to supplement solar panels or mirrors.

    • @CommieBastard-dj9ot
      @CommieBastard-dj9ot Před 3 lety

      @@stevemickler452pressurized steam is generally not great for residential use as it is very expensive and dangerous to leave unattended. I've seen videos of people using it to power a small metal shop but they were experienced technicians and only ran it while they were in the shop. A sterling engine would not require the steam to be pressurized and can work well at lower temps, meaning it can be smaller, cheaper, and safer.

    • @carmadme
      @carmadme Před 3 lety +1

      I don't really see this being useful to households any time soon
      Any system to make good use would far outweigh the costs currently

    • @flex-cx9bi
      @flex-cx9bi Před 3 lety

      Two swedish companies are exploring stirling engines to create electricity. Both have approx. 30% efficiency if I'm correctly informed and need quite high temperatures.
      I think both need above 700 deg Celcius on the hot side of the engine. SaltX have salts that are suitable for different temperatures but the highest I have seen is 500 deg Celcius.
      So it might not be suitable if the efficiency already are as low as 30% for 700 deg C.
      With a steam turbine you get approx. 30-40% efficiency which is a better choice than a stirling engine.
      So I think stirling engines are a better and cheaper choice than steam turbine if you have access to higher temperatures. But that needs to be verified by the companies that explore this technology and so far they are a bit secret about this novel use of stirling engines.
      SaltX NCS is absolutely best used to store energy and release it as heat in a large scale district heating system. Around 90% efficiency...
      The swedish companies exploring stirling engines are Azelio and Swedish Stirling.
      Azelio as a energy storage medium in CSP plants where they use molten aluminium as medium and that can release energy at high enough temperature to suite stirling engines.
      Swedish Stirling burn flare gases to drive their stirling engines at appox. 720 deg Celsius.
      Since flare gases are burnt of anyway Swedish Stirling's concept is to recycle the heat to electricity.
      First targeted area are smelters in South Africa where they use coal to refine chromium (mostly). This process create gases that needs to be flared.
      These gases can be of varied quality so no one have succeeded in recycle them effectively so far despite many attempts.
      Swedish Sterling's technology might be the first technology that can do this effectively. They say that by recycling the energy as heat to electricity they can lower the use of electricity used by the furnaces in the smelter by up to 15%, and that is very significant.
      There are a massive amount of gases flared around the world, and some calculations have shown that if Swedish Stirlings technology are used to recycle that energy it would equal all of the electricity used in all of Africa. THAT would be a significant reduction of emission of heat and green house gases if coal driven energy plants can be closed.
      SaltX earlier explored the use of their nano coated salts for small scale energy storage for houses, but have put that R&D to rest and focuses on large scale grid connected energy storage where they only supply salt and a source of technology.
      They have figured that this technology could scale very quickly if other production facilities can build the hardware used and SaltX only supply salt and know-how.
      Building the hardware themself would be a too big task for a small company like SaltX technology.
      So the technology is open for other companies to explore, as long as SaltX technology is part of the journey and can deliver salt.
      Great decision and great thinking since the technology might be a natural part of any district heating system in the world that want to leave fossil fuels and incorporate renewable energy sources. Check the Helsinki Energy Challange. They have started their journey to stop using coal, and SaltX was one of four winners in this competition.

  • @donlourie769
    @donlourie769 Před 3 lety +11

    Thanks for this work. Always concise and articulate. On another note: 20 years ago I met a man at a conference who was engaged in research for the Department of Energy in USA. One of his projects was a turbine that used natural gas for energy. But instead of oxidizing the gas, it was stripped apart. Tom said the results showed a jump in energy efficiency from 35% to 90%. It was still experimental but very promising. I often wonder what happened to this technology.

    • @incognitotorpedo42
      @incognitotorpedo42 Před 3 lety +2

      I suspect that the 90% figure was not based on energy in vs useful energy out, but something else, because there is only so much energy one can obtain from a carbon-hydrogen bond, and the Carnot efficiency of the turbine is still a factor.

    • @mllhild
      @mllhild Před 3 lety

      @@incognitotorpedo42 Im guessing Tom did say that he could reach a 35% efficient system with a 90% efficient turbine and there was some miscommunication. Either that or he was a quack, what also happens from time to time.

  • @davidmurray2829
    @davidmurray2829 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video as usual 👍👍👍

  • @Furiends
    @Furiends Před 3 lety +31

    To put things into perspective this puts this technology on par with hydrogen in terms of efficiency. However it might be much easier to scale this tech and its a lot safer. It's also totally useless for transportation due to weight.

    • @Ikbeneengeit
      @Ikbeneengeit Před 3 lety +5

      Agree if you mostly want to store heat. Hydrogen is the more efficient choice if you want electricity out, though, since fuel cells are ~85% X-to-electricity, and this is limited by Carnot efficiency at around 30% X-to-electricity.

    • @bgbthabun627
      @bgbthabun627 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Ikbeneengeit please recognize that the fuel cell is also limited by its Carnot efficiency as well.

    • @incognitotorpedo42
      @incognitotorpedo42 Před 3 lety +2

      @@bgbthabun627 How so? Fuel cells are not heat engines.

    • @bgbthabun627
      @bgbthabun627 Před 3 lety +2

      @@incognitotorpedo42 While this is technically so, any mechanism may be analysed using the second law of thermodynamics, by means of an Availability analysis. thus the carnot efficiency is just a shorthand means of assessing the efficiency of a heat engine, where the availability is assumed to be just the temperatures. ;-)

    • @Furiends
      @Furiends Před 3 lety

      @@incognitotorpedo42 Fuel cells must be cooled. Incidentally that limits their rate of output. In CHP systems fuel cells are very effective.

  • @petervanelslander6206
    @petervanelslander6206 Před 3 lety +1

    Had no notification and see this video was up already for 7h.

  • @darrenchapman7203
    @darrenchapman7203 Před 3 lety

    I live off grid in south Australia, my 250ltr storage hot water system is heated with excess power using an arduino to monitor the frequency of my SMA sunny Island inverter, as excess power is available the frequency rises and the arduino turns the heater on and off via a solid state relay. Several years ago I contacted our state grid company and submitted my design idea only to be fobbed off and told it wouldn't work on a grid scale, I pointed out they'd been doing it for 80 years with night tariff for exactly the same reasons. Back before renewable energy they needed to load the generators over night so electric storage water heaters were promoted and discounted electricity rates available, now with fewer generators and increased renewable energy the same problem exists....now I heard on the news that the grid company has partnerships with a hot water system company and have developed a new hot water system that strangely enough does exactly what I developed 5 years ago.

  • @nagualdesign
    @nagualdesign Před 3 lety

    I like these videos so much that I've taken a leaf out of your preambling book. Now, when I'm talking to someone I don't know, I like to chat for about two minutes before pausing and saying, "Hello, and welcome to nagualdesign".

  • @DrJaxonsElixirOfLife
    @DrJaxonsElixirOfLife Před 3 lety +3

    That sounds absolutely amazing. This was something that has not fallen under my radar so far. So thanx very much for that!

  • @ronaldmallette
    @ronaldmallette Před 3 lety

    Brilliant, the abundance of salts and to think we've just begun.

  • @erfquake1
    @erfquake1 Před 3 lety

    Amazing!! This is a great idea!

  • @jordanwood5992
    @jordanwood5992 Před 3 lety

    3mins in and I'm subscribing to this guy. First video I've seen from this guy but it's very interesting

  • @thomaskregaard8726
    @thomaskregaard8726 Před 3 lety +3

    You make it sound like we're presently using the salts in Thorium reactors. To the best of my knowledge, there are currently no running Thorium-based nuclear reactors. Not in commercial production, and not even as a prototype :-(.

  • @mattgillard8253
    @mattgillard8253 Před 3 lety

    Great stuff

  • @nomadMik
    @nomadMik Před 3 lety +5

    I'm still pretty new to your channel, but I already get excited whenever I get notified about a new vid. Yay, new tech that makes the world seem less doomed!

    • @JustHaveaThink
      @JustHaveaThink  Před 3 lety

      That's great feedback Mik. I really appreciate it, and I'm delighted you enjoy the videos :-)

  • @akashd5690
    @akashd5690 Před 3 lety

    Sir I find your channel very informative. Subscribed.

  • @mehdymoussavi9570
    @mehdymoussavi9570 Před 3 lety

    Amazing technology very good explained but what are we waiting for? all cities and countries should start this exploring this right now!

  • @erwinheuck3093
    @erwinheuck3093 Před 3 lety

    Very interesting... Understanding all the scales of storage, utility versus community, and the scale of timeframes of performance (ie 1 hour versus days, vs seasonal) creates an interesting ecosystem of solutions and overlap. Add in the quality of stored energy (electricity highest and low grade heat is the lowest, and again, a very interesting energy storage ecosystem.

  • @DunnickFayuro
    @DunnickFayuro Před 3 lety +8

    I'd love to see this used to heat greenhouses during winter. You'd accumulate this energy from the sun during summer and then use it when it gets cold. Combined with passive-solar greenhouses, this would be great.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Před 3 lety

      The working temperatures are too high for home use.
      Perhaps a better thing would be to find some reversible action that happens at about 20C.
      Imagine blocks or tanks of magic stuff distributed around the green house.
      When it goes above 20C, they "melt" when it tries to go below 20C that "freeze"

    • @wolterh6
      @wolterh6 Před 3 lety

      @@kensmith5694 what you're describing sounds like a PCM (phase change material) with a fusion temperature of 20 °C.
      I do believe that hot salt tech could be used for greenhouse heating, objectively speaking. The heat would still flow from hot to cold and the rate at which that happens could be modulated to achieve any desired temperature between the temperatures of the source and the sink. Am I missing something?

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Před 3 lety

      @@wolterh6 Phase change is the simplest example. There may be reversible chemical reactions in the same range.

    • @DunnickFayuro
      @DunnickFayuro Před 3 lety

      @@kensmith5694 I was thinking more about industrial greenhouses. The ones that can take 1 megawatt of heating or more, each.

  • @williampierce2034
    @williampierce2034 Před 3 lety

    Very interesting, thanks.

  • @truerthanyouknow9456
    @truerthanyouknow9456 Před 3 lety +2

    Thank you for showing us a glimpse of the talent behind development of this innovative technology. Seeing Corey Blackman (Ph.D Candidate) (3:15) working as SaltX Head of Technology may open the imaginations of my students as they think about how they might apply their education professionally. Addressing the problems of humanity will take require the talent, commitment and effort of all of humanity.

    • @TheSpecio
      @TheSpecio Před 3 lety

      A principle that was already in use some 140 Years ago doesn't seem to be 'innovative' to me.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_locomotive
      What are you teaching?

    • @scrumtious1
      @scrumtious1 Před 3 lety

      @@TheSpecio innovation is about applying new methods, producing new goods and applications and opening new markets. Did Apple invent the smartphone, the touchscreen, the lithium ion battery? Nope! But they sure did provide an innovative product!

    • @TheSpecio
      @TheSpecio Před 3 lety

      @@scrumtious1
      You would be right if Apple hat marketed horse carriages.
      None of the things you mention was invented in the 19th century. All were brand new technical inventions. You confuse innovation with marketing.

  • @Peeze16
    @Peeze16 Před 3 lety

    Wow what an idea.

  • @Ogrelin
    @Ogrelin Před 3 lety

    Very interesting!

  • @ronkirk5099
    @ronkirk5099 Před 3 lety

    This is yet another exciting development in much needed energy storage for intermittent green energy sources like wind turbines and solar. I'm concerned about trying to use methane as a bridge fuel as green energy systems continue to be built. The problem is the amount of methane leakage between production, transportation and use. If the leakage is greater than 4% of the gas produced, the CO2 equivalent emissions are actually greater than coal. Measurements in some our our gas fields in the U.S. are actually as much as 6-10% or higher of the gas produced. I really enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.

  • @HC20047
    @HC20047 Před rokem

    Informative and no fuss video, thanks! I've been a shareholder since the very beginning. Although currently at red figures for my part, I have great long-term faith in this technology as part of the sustainable energy mix.

  • @paulroberts3731
    @paulroberts3731 Před 3 lety +1

    If the use of untreated salt leads to it’s change of state CaO could be used in lime stabilisation of highway fountains. CaO is made specifically for this and it could save use of natural stone aggregates

  • @peterwarner553
    @peterwarner553 Před 3 lety

    Thank you

  • @j121212100
    @j121212100 Před 3 lety

    brilliant! so simple.

  • @diamondyolo9010
    @diamondyolo9010 Před 3 lety +1

    Super interesting!

  • @SimonSozzi7258
    @SimonSozzi7258 Před 3 lety

    Amazing 👏

  • @kenleach2516
    @kenleach2516 Před 3 lety

    Very interesting

  • @darrenmarney8577
    @darrenmarney8577 Před 3 lety +1

    My greatest appreciation in regards to such information is the value of engineering concepts that in Australia are neglected by the prehistoric nature of our Government 🙃

    • @pennyoflaherty1345
      @pennyoflaherty1345 Před 2 lety

      Wait and see if any New Submission to * Advance Australia’s Affairs* toward 2030 comes out shortly with one being made to give an account @ next G7 meeting . The rest of the WORLD is Advancing on at a quicker pace off fossil fuels . Ones prompting needs a BIG WHIP

  • @Kevin_Street
    @Kevin_Street Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for another great video! This sounds like it could be extremely useful, since it doesn't require huge amounts of lithium or massive engineering projects to set up. You could locate the storage system right next to the factories and neighborhoods that need the heat.

    • @crcurran
      @crcurran Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, it's called municipal heat. Its been around a while. CHP plants are providing heat to local populace.

    • @Kevin_Street
      @Kevin_Street Před 3 lety

      @@crcurran Is that in Britain?

    • @crcurran
      @crcurran Před 3 lety

      @@Kevin_Street Yes, a lot more than you would think. The UK did it in small scale implementations rebuilding from the blitz
      In 2013 there were 1,765 district heating schemes with 920 based in London alone. I'm not sure when this was totaled but in the past few years it was totaled to around 210,000 homes and 1,700 businesses supplied by heat networks in the UK.
      assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/212565/summary_evidence_district_heating_networks_uk.pdf
      EU cogeneration is big initiative over the next few decades.
      Historically, Finland has had the largest systems in the world per capita. Necessity is the mother of invention.

    • @Kevin_Street
      @Kevin_Street Před 3 lety

      Very interesting! Thank you for the reply.
      There was a video about this kind of heating before on Just Have A Think. It sounds like a very good idea, particularly the way they've got it installed in places like Sweden and Finland, where it can be combined with well insulated homes.
      Here in my own country of Canada, we've got nothing comparable. They were going to use district heating in one new neighborhood of my city, but backed out because of the cost.

  • @krap101
    @krap101 Před 3 lety

    You see similar issues with thermal energy storage using hydrated salts. The problem is when the system cools, the solution can become supersaturated, preventing crystalization. Vibration or seed crystals could be used to crystallize the sodium sulfate, but they found that adding a small amount of borax provides a initiation site making crystalization more reliable.

  • @pw3848
    @pw3848 Před 3 lety

    Historical sidenote:
    At around 1860s to 1880s the chemical heat generated by reaction with water was used by fireless accumulative steam engines as the means to power streetcars - it was cleaner for the city enviroment and more importantly without the need for open fire in still quite flammable cities. At the time the electricity wasn't widespread, so it made sense. Try looking up soda locomotive on wikipedia.

  • @Constablegrowler
    @Constablegrowler Před 3 lety +1

    Great channel, so interesting! One little suggestion. Could you introduce yourself at the beginning of your episodes. I was expounding your channel to some friends but it would have been so nice to say "you want to watch xxx, he offers such a balanced viewpoint to new technologies."
    Go-to person for Space stuff, for me is Scott Manley and I remember him simply because every episode he introduces himself. Don't hide your own light under a bushel.

  • @Sam-xi6me
    @Sam-xi6me Před 2 lety

    Good Thank You🗽

  • @chrisgriffiths2533
    @chrisgriffiths2533 Před 3 lety

    Interesting Stuff.

  • @zber9043
    @zber9043 Před 3 lety

    Really great. Could you do a show on agriphotovoltaics like insolight?

  • @michaelchildish
    @michaelchildish Před 3 lety

    fascinating!

  • @geraldlindner9853
    @geraldlindner9853 Před 3 lety

    It took me quite some time to get the right data. I wanted to use SaltX in my experimental house (a Bengt Warne Naturhus) in Amsterdam and went to visit them in Sweden twice. Basically, you lose about 25% loading and 25% discharging. So that's fine when you have (lots of) waste heat at your disposal like in industrial processes but for home use, it means you need more solar collector capacity and much smarter integration of usages. For now, I ended up with pvt, but haven't given up on my dream for the 21-century version of the "MIT Solar House One" quite yet.

  • @EscapeePrisoner
    @EscapeePrisoner Před 3 lety

    While working with a building industry product information service I learned about a solar thermal system storing heat energy in some sort of silicone substance in a big block which was then put on a train as the power supply for non grid connected electric trains (Canada...I think).

  • @zachfox7771
    @zachfox7771 Před 3 lety +3

    wow, we really need good thermoelectric generators now!!

  • @brianjonker510
    @brianjonker510 Před 3 lety

    This is so hopeful!!! Maybe put parabolic mirrors aimed at the storage tank for a boost of free heat.

  • @Chobaca
    @Chobaca Před 3 lety +4

    Thanks for this I bought € 40 worth of stock just to keep an eye on the company.
    By the way I have about € 5000 in another Swedish company called Azelio. They store heat in aluminum and get combined heat and electricity from that at a high efficiency with stirling engines.

    • @user-yl2wm2gy3z
      @user-yl2wm2gy3z Před 3 lety

      Surprised to see they're listed

    • @steeveeleevee6484
      @steeveeleevee6484 Před 3 lety

      Look up Kontax Stirling Engines in the UK, they make models that run from the heat of your hand.

    • @Chobaca
      @Chobaca Před 3 lety

      @@steeveeleevee6484 producing how much power? For one LED? that's not what I'm interested in.

    • @helenlawson8426
      @helenlawson8426 Před 3 lety

      Ground source heat pumps and hot air engines is something I've tried to suggest to people in the past, the problem is getting their thinking away from the hobby type engines to the real business end of the market. Using an engine that can work at lower temperature than a turbine opens up more market places so any loss in efficiency is soon made up. It's really hard to get people to understand that sometimes efficiency isn't everything, even though a solar panel is a perfect example of this.
      It's great to see it is starting to become a reality.

    • @steeveeleevee6484
      @steeveeleevee6484 Před 3 lety

      @@Chobaca It's all about awareness out there.

  • @robertjames1259
    @robertjames1259 Před 3 lety

    Thanks good knowledge again
    Keep me posted on all of the great techs
    R. J. F. K

  • @RobertPawlowicz
    @RobertPawlowicz Před 3 lety +1

    The linear concentrated solar collectors you showed in your video typically use oil rather than molten salts. Molten salts are used in the thermal towers, not the linear collectors shown. The reason being in incident solar radiation is collected from a much smaller area and therefore the temperatures are much lower - lower that the melting point of the salt. Oil is used instead.

  • @Jay...777
    @Jay...777 Před 3 lety +67

    Well now, one could almost allow oneself to be optimistic. There's no doubt storage is the key to making renewable energy the dominant player. Now all we need is COP26 to get agreement to withdraw the massive subsidies going to fossil fuels and we may yet have a bright future.

    • @brianwheeldon4643
      @brianwheeldon4643 Před 3 lety +5

      Peter, You are of course right scientifically speaking in my humble opinion, and it is a humble one believe me. The main thing about COP26 is that the foxes remain in charge of the hen house of life on the planet and it's resources. We do need to beware of 'think tanks' (if one could call it that) such as the World Economic Forum who has the declared aim of 'sort of changing' humanities focus to a derived green deal that will facilitate the present financial administrations continuation in 'green capitalism', an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Thus growth and devouring the planet would continue apace under the aegis of some sort of green deal, new or not. and run by the present system of BIS, IMF, the present Kleptocrats and their transnational corporations and of course the citibanks' and military industrial complexs' of this world. Somehow I don't think that's going to cut the mustard any longer. Good wishes

    • @Jay...777
      @Jay...777 Před 3 lety +3

      @@brianwheeldon4643 Hello, yes indeed. I try to keep it positive and maybe plant a few seeds on this channel as it seems in keeping with the host. Who knows where a more positive approach may lead? The realist in me does see our predicament in a more stark light, as your comment explores. Having followed the US election closely and the Brexit process, it does leave little hope of meaningful change anytime soon. Capitalism as envisioned by Adam Smith, Ricardo, Stuart Mill and Marx would be infinitely preferable to the financial capitalism we have locked ourselves into over the last century. We now have a neo-liberal dogma at its apex, and it is at the core of most world economies today. However… China is at a crossroads right now and may chose to keep its banking system in public ownership and Xi has had great success bringing the poorest out of poverty recently. Russia has decided to be GM free by 2025, which also means free of all the chemicals that go with it - more consequential than most realise. In the US the escalating health crisis and loss of topsoil could force change sooner than is on most peoples radar right now. Crop failures in the UK are up to 40% and Spain will soon have drained its aquifers. So, who knows how the future may unfold?
      I’ll include a few of links here that you may find interesting. All the best.
      michael-hudson.com
      Toward the End of the U.S. Monetary Hegemony
      czcams.com/video/h45Bovld7Vk/video.html
      Food Independence & Planetary Evolution: Zach Bush, MD | Rich Roll Podcast
      czcams.com/video/X3aOQ0N74PI/video.html
      Oneness vs. The 1% #VandanaShiva at the United Nations Office at Geneva
      czcams.com/video/Ek2M-obq9LE/video.html
      The Long History of Debt Cancelation from Antiquity to Today
      czcams.com/video/M4DkZ3CWFOk/video.html

    • @gerrythompson2122
      @gerrythompson2122 Před 3 lety

      “Reasons to be cheerful” but long way to go? 🤞

    • @Jay...777
      @Jay...777 Před 3 lety

      @@gerrythompson2122 Never say die, that's for sure. Interesting viewing...
      czcams.com/video/jWgnkgYtqnw/video.html
      All the best. Enjoy your day.

  • @kathleendanford9420
    @kathleendanford9420 Před 3 lety

    What a great idea better than cold fusion!!!

  • @gavinderbyshire5535
    @gavinderbyshire5535 Před 3 lety

    Great clip, I want the UK government to start taking District heating seriously especially for social housing developments.

  • @MARILYNANDERSON88
    @MARILYNANDERSON88 Před 3 lety

    Carbide lamps were once used as flashlights and in mining. I use (Calcium Hydroxide?) hand warmers that last for hours.

  • @andershjelmare4462
    @andershjelmare4462 Před 3 lety +1

    Being Swedish I have had a closer look at this company. It turns out that although the invention is indeed promising, there are many hurdles between the lab and the widespread application to the benefit of humanity. One important hurdle is economics. If it is not cost effective it will never make it.

    • @helenlawson8426
      @helenlawson8426 Před 3 lety

      Getting anything new from the Lab to the factory is one of the hardest parts of any new invention or design. Beyond the technical it is one of investment and finding enough of it to get to the necessary economy of scale, a good idea can die simply because its importance wasn't realised or the market place lacked enough long term investors.
      It's why I always worry about the online attacks on subsidies as government help especially as regards technology that breaks the old ways is important if we want change.

  • @macrumpton
    @macrumpton Před 3 lety

    Sounds like a great solution for Iceland exporting their geothermal energy to Europe. Of course you would have to boost the temperature, but they have plenty of power to do that, Then load the dehydrated containers of salt onto a ship, and send to where ever it is needed. The tech of parabolic solar dishes is economical and well researched, and would be a nice fit for remote installations of this nano coated salt.

  • @samlair3342
    @samlair3342 Před 3 lety

    It seems that this is something we can all live with!

  • @ahmedabobakr1542
    @ahmedabobakr1542 Před rokem

    Very WEll explained!

  • @danburnes722
    @danburnes722 Před 3 lety +7

    Interesting as always. The 1000 cycle limit suggests changing out the nano coated salt about every 3 years assuming 1 cycle per day. If this is the case, there is likely degradation and loss in efficiency over time. I think this could still work as an electrical storage method tied to a closed system sCO2 cycle which is a nice fit to the output temperature of the exothermic reaction. I could see this used in a small scale as a home heating unit, especially for homes with an overcapacity of solar energy during the day.

    • @AmosIrontree
      @AmosIrontree Před 3 lety +3

      Not to mention, the refresh of the system might be as simple as switching tanks of salt.

    • @code4chaosmobile
      @code4chaosmobile Před 3 lety

      Nice math. I like having a 1095 day life span even if the tail end is noticeable fraction less than at the beginning. What are your thoughts on this off earth?

    • @nocto8237
      @nocto8237 Před 3 lety +2

      Its about 50 000 cycles not 1000, but this is being tested right now in a autonomous looping charge/discharge solution at SaltX lab. Ion batteries are at 1000-1250 cycles, so SaltX is about 97% better in that regard.

    • @danburnes722
      @danburnes722 Před 3 lety

      @@nocto8237 Well that changes things. I did not research beyond the video yet. With this being the case, there could be many, many applications with this technology. Scalable energy storage being the best of them. And to a previous comment, this being a fully closed cycle could be applied anywhere other than maybe where weight is an issue like on aircraft.

    • @TheSpecio
      @TheSpecio Před 3 lety +1

      @@danburnes722"... could be applied anywhere other than ..." other than all mobile applications.
      To substitute a Tesla 90 kWh Battery, you would need:
      600 kg Calciumoxide + 200 kg Water PLUS a steam generator, a steam-turbine to produce electricity, a water supply and/or a condenser and an electric generator. Looks like you need a quite big trailer for this stuff.
      It seems it would be easier to scratch the electricity generation and to build a steam-driven locomobile instead.
      Welcome to the 19th century!
      Indeed there was 'Soda locomotive' in 1883 that used the very same principle but with caustic soda instead of caustic lime: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_locomotive

  • @rudikoster9849
    @rudikoster9849 Před 3 lety

    I don't wish to be pedantic, but a salt is a compound created by an acid reacting with a base. Calcium Hydroxide is not a salt, it is a base. SaltX should therefore be called BaseX. Except for that the column is fascinating, keep up the good work.

  • @Soothsayer210
    @Soothsayer210 Před 3 lety

    Interesting.... Thx.

  • @president2
    @president2 Před 3 lety

    forever learning, never cooming to a knowledge of the turth!