Star Trek IX: Insurrection - Nostalgia Critic
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- The Nostalgia Critic reviews 1998's Star Trek Insurrection.
Originally aired on February 7th, 2012.
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Star Trek 9 or Insurrection was originally released on December 11th, 1998 and was directed by Jonathan Frakes. It stars Patrick Steward, Jonathan Frakes, Brent Spiner, LeVar Burton, Michael Dorn and Marina Sirtis.
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"Do you hate the Amish too?"
"No, they hate me."
I CAN'T be the only one who wants to know this story
The Mandalorian captured the blue guy
And he ended up working for Greef Karga. 😏😎
That is genius, so underrated
As the matter yes.
😂😂😂
I thought he stopped withe his job in the movie cause no one listen to him so he became a space Nazi the admiral from star wars rebels
"Do you hate the Amish, too?"
"No, they hate me."
Wait, what? Dammit, much like the weird Andorian diplomat, that's a plot point that clearly needs expansion.
ReneeMontoya12 not andorian, bolian.
Still better story than what was filmed.
In a pair of unaired episodes of atop the fourth wall (flagged for the comic's content), the secret underground amish empire had created a massive wooden gundam-style mech, powered by an ancient alien crystal, and were planning to destroy all power plants on the planet, plunging the world into a machine-free dark age. Linkara put a wrench in their plan when he stole the crystal to power a defensive shield to protect the entire planet from an attack from a villain called Vice. It turned out the crystal accidentally made linkara grow a goatee and travel to a different universe, and everyone thought he was "Evil Linkara", and when he got back in the next episode, he threw the crystal into the trash.
Religious reasons or not, the idea of rejecting technology is still stupid.
@@Metrion77 wait... He made that?
So they aren't gonna bring up the greatest crime in this movie??
THE SHAVED RIKER'S BEARD.
Oh noes his power is in that beard. He was beardless and useless in the beginning of TNG, and only became a good Number Two when he grew a facebush.
"Number One, I order you to go take a Number Two." "Aye-aye, Captain."
Maybe that's the reason why this movie turned out so lame: Jonathan Frakes decided to shave before returning to the director's chair!
It's "Ensign Babyface" all over again.
I was thinking the part where picard uses the thompson to mow down aliens because that's GIF material right there
my problem with this film is the idea that a planet colony like this has 600 people living in one village and nobody thought to just build something a few hundred miles away where nobody would ever go exploring? a whole fecking planet???!!
I think the problem is more that, having achieved space-age and despite reversing to low-tech, the planet is "claimed" by the natives and the rules are probably against colonizing a planet in that tech advancement. Thus if they don't want anybody to get in the planet, the federation would be legally bound to leave this planet alone as long as it's inhabited, which leads to the relocation.
(just a thought, though, I don't follow the show that closely that I know the rules of the universe)
They explain it a little better in the movie, the stretchy face dudes need to poison the atmosphere of the planet to harness its power.
@@NWolfsson So, Space liberals?
My problem is they were there for a century I think and theres only 600 of them.
@Wells Donald why are you bots necrobumping a 3 year old comment ? Fudge off
To be fair, this movie had one single good moment: the scene where Geordi sees the sunrise with his own eyes.
Agreed. I actually cried in the theater when they showed that.
Second best moment, Data asking worf about boobs
Yeah I'll give insurrection a point for that scene it was really heartfelt
WhAT?! The hell noooooo
Hide and Q did the "Geordi sees for the first time!" Scene better 👍
Am I the only one who appreciates Linkara's continuity tidbits? xD
Yes and especially with critics reactions
@@KratosCar lol yeah
Tom Hardy: "I played a young Patrick Stewart."
James McAvoy: "So I did."
"So did I"?
Patrick Stewart: "I did it first."
Still hard to believe
You know if they do make a Picard prequel series or reboot TNG, McAvoy can come back to play a younger Picard
@Ben Magnez Never heard it expressed that way.
23:01 This movie has some of the most spectacular unfinished blue-screen effects in history. That set is the interior of the Collector, which is supposed to be in space. There should be stars in the background. There's no way that blue background is intentional. They ran out of time or money.
That's just set design. You might as well say the white squares are unintentional. They're not windoes
I posted that but Catzilla you beat me to it do I deleted my posts and I sent my respects and you have my likes !
I think *"JAWS 3-D"* has the most unfinished green screen effect in history. In the VHS release, when the little girl told her dad to "Look at the fish!", you clearly see a green screen (where the ocean is not optically added, though this is recolored somewhat in the DVD), and when Mama Jaws floods the underwater tunnel, you can - for a few instances - also see a green screen as well.
Also, weren't the other two forced relocations done because the planets were owned by non-federation species, who were threatening to murder everyone on said planets if they didn't move them?
Old Man Tai I would ask why the federation would submit to them and not just fight it out then I realised that the federation is A: space UN so giving in to bullying is the only thing they are good at and B: they are not a military force they are an exploration and scientific study force
I always thought about the Trail of Tears and other forced relocations of Earth history.
Instead of a movie about Picard fighting the Dominion we got....this thing.
oh that would have been awesome!
it would have been badass!
But alas the Star Trek movie curse says no
Yes that would be awesome but it doesn't make sense the Dominion is more of a DS9 villain then a TNG villain. That would be the equivalent of a movie with the TOS and the primary villain for that movie will be the Borg.
It also would've been box office poison. DS9, for all of the reverence it gets today, got pretty horrible ratings at the time because audiences weren't used to heavily serialized television yet. It wasn't like TOS or TNG, where you could hop in at any point and understand everything pretty quickly. There was a lot of stuff you had to pay attention to. (This is also why Voyager all but abandoned the serialized "journey home" premise it started with and just became a series of episodic adventures in unexplored space - sure, it rendered everything kind of pointless, but it brought in casual viewers.)
So to weave those plot points into a standalone feature film, with an audience of people who potentially don't watch DS9, would be disastrous - you'd have to spend half the movie just establishing all the backstory about the Dominion, the Cardassians, the Jem'Hadar, the Changelings, all this stuff that DS9 had the luxury of building up for years. It would've been too much to cram into one movie.
@@quentingray643 honestly if they did that for a Kelvin Timeline movie it would be awesome
I never thought I would hear a star trek review start with "So we begin in the shire..."
Thats like if the next jurassic park movie took place on a space station lol
You can't tell me that wouldn't be an awesome setting for a Jurassic Park movie.
shadowspider9 you should watch the episode of doctor who with Matt Smith then. Forgot it's name but it has dinosaurs on a spaceship.
@Sanquinity, you know what the funny part is? Even though you said you forgot its name, you actually got the name of the episode right at the end of your sentence. Yes, the episode you're refering to is called "Dinosaurs on a spaceship".
Haha, I had a hunch that it was called that. The show creators aren't too inventive with their episode names usually. :P
Space Jurassic Park?
That's Dino Crisis 3
Still wish we had a First Contact review from Nostalgia Critic. It's my favorite of all the Star Trek movies.
Mine too!! I came to the comments to see if he did one
I have to agree. This was the most asinine of not just the TNG movies but all of them together.
(12:00) Actually , the Amish are pretty torn on the uses of technology, nowadays. Besides medical necessity, I've seen plenty of Amish (and yes, I mean Amish, not Mennonites, although I've plenty of THEM at Wal-Marts) with smartphones.
Also, one huge problem with the idea that Data needs to learn how to "play" is that, in multiple episode of the TV series, Data goes to the holodeck to play-out a Sherlock Holmes story. While they're called, "holo-novels," you're not reading them. It's closer to playing a video game. So, yes Data already knows "how to play."
Molly O'Kami The hell is a Mennonite?
Wow is it just me or do those rules sound completely fucking arbitrary? You can have a smart phone and play video games but god forbid you use a tractor!
And technically the batteries in those phone are fuel powered. Those Amish people only take personal calls on them? All work related communicated has to be done by carrier pigeon?
Data's entire character in this movie feels like it went backwards 7 years. He's acting like he did back in season 1 or 2, overly naive and lacking in social graces that he's already established he knows. It really drags the movie down from pretty bad to bordering on unwatchable.
It's brain damage from the beginning of the film. Or brain damage from the film as a whole. Whichever you prefer.
Lucas Bell it's a group of people broken off from the Amish they still follow the Amish beliefs but use technology ( my dad is Mennonite and he is a computer designer)
I had the same reaction Linkara had to the "I've never kissed you with a beard" -line. My database was just mental though.
Yet his second clip is of Thomas. This doesn't detract from his point, but for someone who prides himself on details, this is an unforgivable oversight
@@davidminor4213 Technically, Thomas is still Will. They even said as much in the episode itself.
@@jbwarner8626 But she is referring to "you" which would indicate the Will Riker standing in front of her and not including Thomas Riker who was out of the picture since the Maquis incident.
On the other hand, Linkara is still right even if the clips don't correspond. The kiss on Beta Zed in Menage a Troi just before Lwaxana distrupted them.
Nemesis has a special place in my heart as the first movie I saw Tom Hardy as a fantastic actor.
In view of what happens in DS9 S1 E15, what Picard says at 15:48-16:03 sounds rather hollow. He often gives the impression of being a highly moral, decent, thoughtful person who is working in the service of a Starfleet that is quite prepared to exploit people’s high ideals for its own selfish, expansionistic, none too scrupulous, morally shoddy purposes.
I love how when they're inside the Collector they just didn't do anything with the windows (which are obviously all blue screens to have something added in post). They just left em as blue screens. Ah... good enough.
for those that say the new star trek movies suck... they havent seen insurrection and star trek 5
Lord Zephyros
insurrection is the worst one at least 5 and generations were entertaining
Into Darkness is by far the absolute worst Star Trek movie to date!
The new trek movies don't suck, they just suck at being Star Trek.
Worse than Nemesis? "Hello, I am a clone of you and hate you." "Hey, look, we have a copy of once-unique Data for some reason." No way. Insurrection explores a "grayish" area in Federation policies and how the Prime Directive is handled. That alone makes it better than Nemesis.
Even if its not that dark....This one is the Fan4stic of Star trek...there is...nothing to enjoy...literally,nothing happened. Its Fucking boring.
At 8:00 the audio cuts out for like 20 seconds. I thought I was high or something. I am high. But I thought I was, too.
Probably something to do with a copyrighted audio track that was there originally
I love the intro. Imagine if every movie began that way!😂😂😂
the people never said they hated technology, they stated that they dont rely on technology for their daily life, for example they dont use replicators and they instead raise animals or dont replicate hammers, they build their own hammers
Hammers are technology.
Maybe the blue guy is the one who has been accepted into Starfleet Academy instead of Wesley when he applied and didn't make it the first time?
No, Mardock was a Benzite, that guy was a Bolian.
Star Trek Next Generation wasn’t known for its action, it’s more diplomatic than its predecessor
Wow. The Amish are still around in the future. Good for them.
I see them in Burger King now and then.
@Raye J27 I have no idea, really.
With all their money, for sure😂
Hey the Amish are pretty wholesome.
No, the Amish are reasonably reasonable.
say what u want Patrick Stewart, and by extension Packard, makes alien braids look boss
Josh TL I don't know, I think he looks silly...but I can respect your opinion.
it's looks really stupid on him
Ciptan Pacard is awesome
Captain Jean Luc Picard**
It's an old review, sir, but it checks out.
Jacob Maher I find your lack of star trek references disturbing
DeathGodRiku many quotable lines Star Trek does not possess
We have thousands of shitposters searching the interwebs. I want porn, not reviews!
I enjoy NC's videos, but no; this one did no check out. This is how many nitpicks made by NC and Linkara I was able to easily refute just by memory:
5:09 It's not that they don't believe in machines; it's that they reject all automation. One of the people in that society even says, "We believe that when you create a machine to do the work of a man, you take away something from the man." The "to do the work of a man" part is key. An irrigation system doesn't take any work away, so it's perfectly fine.
6:06 But we've seen the Federation use similar cloaked on-site facilities like those before on developing worlds; the most notable example being in the Next Generation episode when they're accidentally discovered because of an unforeseeable incident damaging the facility, and Picard and the Enterprise crew have to explain to the primitive people that they're just explorers. Plus, the shows have repeatedly gone out of their way to show that, while you can monitor stuff from space, it's more limiting than having a facility on the planet.
9:18 Oh, come on! The movie clearly explains that one! The singing is to distract Data, since they know they can't feasibly outmaneuver him. They explain that it's a song they had been practicing with Data before he left for the mission, so he would naturally lower his guard when he hears Picard singing it. It's a plan that makes complete sense when you consider that they're using their familiarity with Data.
11:40 The movie does present their society as a good one, yes, but it doesn't say we should emulate it. Star Trek has always been about exploration; each episode being a new world with a new culture and ideals which differ from ours. How is this any different? And the "no colours except brown" complaint is a low blow, since that's such a prevalent movie trope that can be found in almost everything.
13:21 Oh, come on; they obviously don't mean that he's programmed with a perfect way to handle every moral and ethical dilemma; they're just talking about Data's morals and ethics. Data was operating under his morals and ethics; his sense of right and wrong. That was perfectly clear to me, and I have autism.
13:53 Again; what they don't believe in is automation; not technology in of itself. What "work of a man" does a damn replace? And that water-drain has to be person-operated, just like the irrigation system we saw earlier.
14:37 How hard is it to believe that someone never learned how to swim? My Dad worked for the Canadian Navy, and one thing I quickly learned is that surprisingly few of them actually know how to swim.
15:23 Oh, come on! That's not the movie's conflict! The movie's conflict comes from the fact that the currently-known process for extracting the substances in the planet's rings that cause the radiation would render the planet completely lifeless and kill everyone on it. Either the rings stay, or the rings are extracted and everyone dies. The people on the planet would be more than willing to help them find a way to extract samples without rendering the planet uninhabitable, but the Federation wants that youth serum now! That's the reason for the conflict.
16:10 That first example was a colony that was about to be obliterated by the hostile alien race that owned the planet in accordance with the peace treaty they signed with the Federation after a bloody war! The culture was about to die either way; the only choice there was rescue the people and get them somewhere safe or watch them be obliterated! And, in the second example, Picard actually took a third option. One constant of Star Trek has always been weighing and struggling with the moral implications of their actions, and one constant was that context is key. In both of those cases, the Federation wasn't the one forcing everyone out; their options were leave or be wiped out by a hostile force that owns the planet (and in the second case, they found a third option).
17:31 Really? Quoting Spock? Not only can this be easily refuted by pointing out that Picard is not Spock, but if you're going to use that source as Star Trek's stance, then you have to also accept the very next film: The Search for Spock, where the reason Kirk gives Spock for going out of his way to try to save Spock is that, sometimes, the needs of the few do outweigh the needs of the many. Similarly, one would also have to accept that Star Trek has repeatedly shown time and time again that, every time the Federation betrays their principles in the name of victory, security, whatever the excuse, it never goes well for them; it only just causes more pain and suffering.
18:09 He's not taking all the guns; he's just taking as many as he thinks he might need from a storage room. I thought that was obvious.
18:28 It's completely in-character for Data to try out human expressions by that point. Him saying, "Saddle up, lock and load" is in-character.
18:35 They don't want the people out of the town; they want the people off the planet so they can destroy the rings without hurting anyone.
18:45 Because they can't; Star Trek has shown multiple times that, without a signal to lock-on, transporting people amongst a dense crowd is downright impossible, and the transporter can only transport so many people at a time. The darts provide a signal for the transporters to lock on to.
19:23 Data's taking the kid's mind off of what just happened.
19:59 She already stated in previous scenes that they've learned from their long time on the planet and its effects to be able to perceive a moment as if it truly could last forever, and she's showing that little perception trick to Picard. You didn't show the scene where she previously explained it, and then complain about the lack of explanation? You did watch the movie; right?
20:13 Maybe I should've just had a counter for every time you misinterpret their rejection of technology.
22:10 Nitpick: they didn't leave the planet; they were banished for trying to usurp the town.
22:15 They didn't have to make up other reasons to dislike the bad guys; the Son'a actually wanting to wipe out the Ba'ku reflects the whole "deal with the devil" aspect of the Federation bad guy; not only is he betraying what the Federation stands for "for the greater good", but, as with any such deal, the deal-maker has their own agenda and he got far more than he bargained for. And yes; villains being hideous is a tired old trope, but here, it's justified by the 80-year banishment and them turning to all those surgeries and drugs to stay alive.
23:08 I hate to be the guy saying, "But the previous films did it too" but since Linkara literally said he thinks this is the worst Star Trek film (as in comparatively), it applies here: literally every Star Trek fight scene is crappy except for maybe Worf vs Duras. At least this one has a justification similar to the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight: "We're getting too old for this".
Huh; that's quite a long list, and that's just from memory, and I haven't seen this film in several years.
You can't mixing Star Wars references with Star Trek movies. Come on man I thought you were better than that? (Name the movie)
I will say, the sentiment "The needs of the many" is only ethically simple when it's a *voluntary* sacrifice being made. When it's a matter of triage, it's a difficult necessity - but when you factor in (potentially) harming someone that's exceptionally healthy for the benefit of someone critically ill, that's where the moral ambiguity comes into play.
Of course, if the majority of the planet *is* empty, and the research could be done without interacting with the inhabitants whatsoever, then it goes back into "Fucking *really?!"* territory again.
granted I would argue a single settlement acting as belligerent as is it is, is asking for it that said you can just ignore them the federation could totally just tell them to sit and spin and if they try to do something about it shoot them or ignore them cause 600 is not a viable population to say you have claim to control a planet
Yeah, I mean the idea that utilitarianism is the automatic philosophy of Star Trek is absurd. I mean, we saw Sisko poison an entire planet just to get to Eddington and they faked the planned invasion of Romulus to drag them into the Dominion War. Or how about the episode when the time traveler and Picard weigh how to respond to geologic destruction of a planet.
I think the main issue with Nemesis was the director. He was way more interested in the action, then he was with the ideas and story. I mean, every scene with Picard and Shinzon together was incredible, and had more focus been places on their relationship, I think the film could have been one of the best in the series.
@Brandon Lyon
That's why a better director could have greatly benefited the film. Like say if Nicholas Meyer had directed it, he could have ironed out the script issues, and focused on what made the story good.
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The fact that the movies director Stuart Baird hates Star Trek, that’s something. In case anybody asks me how I know this, I learned this from CZcamsr Rowen J Coleman’s review for Star Trek Nemesis.
Nemesis was and always will be an absolute shit film.
The main issue is THEY MURDERED DATA! *_NO_* I’m _not_ over it!
_Nemesis_ to me is like _One More Day_ to Linkara. I want it _undone_ immediately.
Nemesis turned out the way it did BECAUSE of the hatred for Insurrection. Paramount felt pressured to make Nemesis the polar opposite.
Doug's scream sounds like somebody slapped Pee Wee Herman after forcing him to snort 2 kilos of cocaine!
yup
I don't think you'd have to force him...
"This is crack, rock cocaine."
My fucking sides!!
Della Yassine Wow. That is just SO specific.
I am so happy he is re-releasing this searies, it is one of my favorites
And we never see the cloaking suits used again!
Jack Ji. um...thats the point...duh.
John Cena wears a cloaking suit; when was the last time anyone has seen him?
Star Trek: Insurrection essentially had the problems of First Contact in reverse:
Michael Piller, who was hired to write the screenplay, initially wrote an Apocalypse Now-inspired screenplay in which the Enterprise crew are forced to kill Data after he runs amok, then rebel against the Federation. Paramount had been pushing for a Lighter and Softer Star Trek film for some time now, however, and after three entries which dealt with heavy subject matters, finally put their foot down and demanded it this time, with Patrick Stewart supporting their demands.
Piller therefore rewrote the screenplay, while adding in some of his personal beliefs regarding a preference for "rural simplicity" over technology. However, all the rewrites essentially gutted the screenplay of its original point, with Levar Burton and Marina Sirtis both finding it incredibly boring, and even Stewart admitting that he felt the villains were more in the right than the Enterprise crew. Paramount, despite their initial Executive Meddling, actually gave a helpful memo suggesting that they flesh out the villains' motives more, but it was apparently ignored, as was similar advice from DS9 showrunner Ira Steven Behr.
In an echo of the abortive attempt to have Leonard Nimoy direct Generations, returning director Jonathan Frakes clashed with Rick Berman over the latter's philosophy that the director's job should be little more than to get the story onto the screen as quickly and efficiently as possible. Frakes stuck with the project, but the alienation he felt over his lack of creative input resulted in him not directing for Star Trek again until the first season of Star Trek: Discovery, nearly twenty years later.
Finally, Berman insisted on having the original ending - which ended with the Big Bad being de-aged out of existence by the Fountain of Youth radiation he was after - refilmed in favor of just having the Big Bad blown up, adding another $10 million to the budget, and meaning its underwhelming box-office response was felt all the more.
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Don't ever stop being awesome, Linkara. ;)
Awesome? I've never seen any of Linkara's videos, but if this is the level of knowledge he displays in all his Star Trek videos, then it's clear to me that he knows nothing about Star Trek.
I stand by that statement as I can back it up with evidence.
EDIT: In hindsight, I was probably a bit quick to say this. To be honest, it comes across more as just him not really understanding a lot of what was in this film. But there are a few moments where he makes comparisons to episodes of Next Generation that absolutely do not work in context.
@@matthewmuir8884 Please do back it up with evidence.
@@okagron I think I created a long list at some point in reply to another comment; I'll find it now and copy & paste some of what I said there.
@@okagron I found the list. I don't remember which of these were in response to something Critic said and which were in response to something Linkara said, but I'll leave the list here with that in mind:
5:09 It's not that they don't believe in machines; it's that they reject all automation. One of the people in that society even says, "We believe that when you create a machine to do the work of a man, you take away something from the man." The "to do the work of a man" part is key. An irrigation system doesn't take any work away, so it's perfectly fine.
6:06 But we've seen the Federation use similar cloaked on-site facilities like those before on developing worlds; the most notable the Next Generation episode being when they're accidentally discovered because of an unforeseeable incident damaging the facility, and Picard and the Enterprise crew have to explain to the primitive people that they're just explorers. Plus, the shows have repeatedly gone out of their way to show that, while you can monitor stuff from space, it's more limiting than having a facility on the planet.
8:02 I'm pretty sure that person is just there to emphasize how urgent the situation involving Data is for Picard. I admit that it's awkwardly done, but it's only for a few seconds, isn't particularly highlighted, and conveys how urgent this is for Picard since it's Data.
9:18 Oh, come on! The movie clearly explains that one! The singing is to distract Data, since they know they can't feasibly outmaneuver him. They explain that it's a song they had been practicing with Data before he left for the mission, so he would naturally lower his guard when he hears Picard singing it. It's a plan that makes complete sense when you consider that they're using their familiarity with Data.
11:40 The movie does present their society as a good one, yes, but it doesn't say we should emulate it. Star Trek has always been about exploration; each episode being a new world with a new culture and ideals which differ from ours. How is this any different? And the "no colours except brown" complaint is a low blow, since that's such a prevalent movie trope that can be found in almost everything.
13:21 Oh, come on; they obviously don't mean that he's programmed with a perfect way to handle every moral and ethical dilemma; they're just talking about Data's morals and ethics. Data was operating under his morals and ethics; his sense of right and wrong. That was perfectly clear to me, and I have autism.
13:53 Again; what they don't believe in is automation; not technology in of itself. What "work of a man" does a damn replace? And that water-drain has to be person-operated, just like the irrigation system we saw earlier.
15:23 Oh, come on! That's not the movie's conflict! The movie's conflict comes from the fact that the currently-known process for extracting the substances in the planet's rings that cause the radiation would render the planet completely lifeless and kill everyone on it. Either the rings stay, or the rings are extracted and everyone dies. The people on the planet would be more than willing to help them find a way to extract samples without rendering the planet uninhabitable, but the Federation wants that youth serum now! That's the reason for the conflict.
16:10 That first example was a colony that was about to be obliterated by the hostile alien race that owned the planet in accordance with the peace treaty they signed with the Federation after a bloody war! The culture was about to die either way; the only choice there was rescue the people and get them somewhere safe or watch them be obliterated! And, in the second example, Picard actually took a third option. One constant of Star Trek has always been weighing and struggling with the moral implications of their actions, and one constant was that context is key. *(This one I remember being in response to something Linkara said)*
17:31 Really? Quoting Spock? Not only can this be easily refuted by pointing out that Picard is not Spock, but if you're going to use that source as Star Trek's stance, then you have to also accept the very next film: The Search for Spock, where the reason Kirk gives Spock for going out of his way to try to save Spock is that, sometimes, the needs of the few do outweigh the needs of the many. Similarly, one would also have to accept that Star Trek has repeatedly shown time and time again that, every time the Federation betrays their principles in the name of victory, security, whatever the excuse, it never goes well for them; it only just causes more pain and suffering.
18:09 He's not taking all the guns; he's just taking as many as he thinks he might need from a storage room. I thought that was obvious.
18:28 It's completely in-character for Data to try out human expressions by that point. Him saying, "Saddle up, lock and load" is in-character.
18:35 They don't want the people out of the town; they want the people off the planet so they can destroy the rings without hurting anyone.
18:45 Because they can't; Star Trek has shown multiple times that, without a signal to lock-on, transporting people amongst a crowd is downright impossible, and the transporter can only transport so many people at a time. The darts provide a signal for the transporters to lock on to.
19:23 Data's taking the kid's mind off of what just happened.
19:59 She already stated in previous scenes that they've learned from their long time on the planet and its effects to be able to perceive a moment as if it truly could last forever, and she's showing that little perception trick to Picard. You didn't show the scene where she previously explained it, and then complain about the lack of explanation? You did watch the movie; right?
20:13 Maybe I should've just had a counter for every time you misinterpret their rejection of technology.
22:10 Nitpick: they didn't leave the planet; they were banished for trying to usurp the town.
22:15 They didn't have to make up other reasons to dislike the bad guys; the Son'a actually wanting to wipe out the Ba'ku reflects the whole "deal with the devil" aspect of the Federation bad guy; not only is he betraying what the Federation stands for "for the greater good", but, as with any such deal, the deal-maker has their own agenda and he got far more than he bargained for. And yes; villains being hideous is a tired old trope, but here, it's justified by the 80-year banishment and them turning to all those surgeries and drugs to stay alive.
23:08 I hate to be the guy saying, "But the previous films did it too" but since Linkara literally said he thinks this is the worst Star Trek film (as in comparatively), it applies here: literally every Star Trek fight scene is crappy except for maybe Worf vs Duras and some of the Worf fights in DS9. That's it.
I know Doug Walker doesn't want to open a Star Trek review channel and give his insights on the franchise, but I kind of feel he should... He would have so much funny stuff to say about Star Trek now and not try to sound too political with it.
It's funny he mentions the Shire since on Discovery, the Klingon's look like orcs from Mordor.
"You mean, he just completely..."
*"VA--"* (sound vanishes)
logan...forgive me for the terrible things i made in the past... some terrible, terrible things
This intro was really funny
agreed
Tevya Smolka yep xD
Tevya Smolka Perfect reaction to every Star Trek fan lol
BizkitRebellion yep XDDDDDDD
Tevya Smolka the furry in the background killed me
@19:42 I think Picards #1 question in mind at that point was along the lines of "can you do that in the throes of passion ?"
The whole debate about the Baku being allowed on the planet is one that Lincara gets wrong.
The Baku state that they have been on the planet for 309 years, the year in Star trek for this film is 2375.
2375 minus 309 years gives you 2066 as the year they arrived on the planet.
In Star Trek, Humans have only just made first contact with the Vulcans in 2063, The federation did not exist and will not exist for another 98 years.
So he is wrong because the federation can not claim the planet because the Baku got there first.
*cries in a pillow*
They were still with holding the cure for an entire species out of spite.
They know already.
i believe you will be a space attorney in the future (thats so much dedication and research too, i respect that, even if i dont really like star trek )
Also. 600 people. Entire freaking planet! The Federation could set up shop on another continent and the Baku would never know, seeing as they have no long range transport or communications. Besides 600 people is not enough to sustain a population. They'll die off eventually from genetic drift.
19:22 that’s Donna Murphy, she’s a celebrated Tony winning actress. She’s the voice of the villain in Tangled and was Doc Ock’s wife in Spider-Man 2. She’s definitely had work after this movie.
I'm actually glad that this video was re-uploaded. The first time I watched it, I thought Linkara was just being an antisocial pedant, but I'm realising that while his delivery is somewhat painful, he still does have valid points.
The Ba'ku never actually say they hate technology in general, though. They say that they don't want to replace humans with automation, and they don't have a use for warp drive because they don't want to go anywhere other than their planet. That isn't Luddism; it's two statements about specific use cases. I think you've mischaracterised them a bit, here.
@@tilasole3252 Yep. Reform (not total or indiscriminate) Luddism is actually what mastery of technology looks like. You know specifically what you want to achieve, in what ways and for what reasons, and so you very specifically choose exactly the right kind of technology that will do so. Sometimes that will mean needing something like warp drive or artificial intelligence, but other times it might not need much more than a Stone Age monjolo.
It's about the right choice for the right situation.
That falls apart when the Baku refuse to let the federation colonize part of the planet due to their Luddite-adjacent beliefs. If the Baku's beliefs were merely an unwillingness to embrace certain technologies, there would be no conflict since they would have no issue with the OTHER people using technology on the planet for research purposes.
If only Picard had read the mysterious blue guy's paper on Thermionic Transconductance he could have prevented all the events of this movie by simply explaining to the Admiral that the multiphasic radiation of the Baku planet's Van Allen belts so harnessed would have caused all of the Vulcans (and Romulans) to be transformed into very chatty toadstools, thus negating the events of Nemesis and losing a critical ally in the Dominian War.
I don't see the problem with linkara helping the review critic. I'll gladly have him by my side if i watch any star trek media so at the end he can explain perfectly what's wrong
Except that, for this one, he didn't perfectly explain what's wrong; far from it. He had a few good points, but I was able to easily refute a lot of his arguments just by memory, and I haven't seen this film in several years:
5:09 It's not that they don't believe in machines; it's that they reject all automation. One of the people in that society even says, "We believe that when you create a machine to do the work of a man, you take away something from the man." The "to do the work of a man" part is key. An irrigation system doesn't take any work away, so it's perfectly fine.
6:06 But we've seen the Federation use similar cloaked on-site facilities like those before on developing worlds; the most notable the Next Generation episode being when they're accidentally discovered because of an unforeseeable incident damaging the facility, and Picard and the Enterprise crew have to explain to the primitive people that they're just explorers. Plus, the shows have repeatedly gone out of their way to show that, while you can monitor stuff from space, it's more limiting than having a facility on the planet.
8:02 I'm pretty sure that person is just there to emphasize how urgent the situation involving Data is for Picard. I admit that it's awkwardly done, but it's only for a few seconds, isn't particularly highlighted, and conveys how urgent this is for Picard since it's Data.
9:18 Oh, come on! The movie clearly explains that one! The singing is to distract Data, since they know they can't feasibly outmaneuver him. They explain that it's a song they had been practicing with Data before he left for the mission, so he would naturally lower his guard when he hears Picard singing it. It's a plan that makes complete sense when you consider that they're using their familiarity with Data.
11:40 The movie does present their society as a good one, yes, but it doesn't say we should emulate it. Star Trek has always been about exploration; each episode being a new world with a new culture and ideals which differ from ours. How is this any different? And the "no colours except brown" complaint is a low blow, since that's such a prevalent movie trope that can be found in almost everything.
13:21 Oh, come on; they obviously don't mean that he's programmed with a perfect way to handle every moral and ethical dilemma; they're just talking about Data's morals and ethics. Data was operating under his morals and ethics; his sense of right and wrong. That was perfectly clear to me, and I have autism.
13:53 Again; what they don't believe in is automation; not technology in of itself. What "work of a man" does a damn replace? And that water-drain has to be person-operated, just like the irrigation system we saw earlier.
14:37 How hard is it to believe that someone never learned how to swim? My Dad worked for the Canadian Navy, and one thing I quickly learned is that surprisingly few of them actually know how to swim.
15:23 Oh, come on! That's not the movie's conflict! The movie's conflict comes from the fact that the currently-known process for extracting the substances in the planet's rings that cause the radiation would render the planet completely lifeless and kill everyone on it. Either the rings stay, or the rings are extracted and everyone dies. The people on the planet would be more than willing to help them find a way to extract samples without rendering the planet uninhabitable, but the Federation wants that youth serum now! That's the reason for the conflict.
16:10 That first example was a colony that was about to be obliterated by the hostile alien race that owned the planet in accordance with the peace treaty they signed with the Federation after a bloody war! The culture was about to die either way; the only choice there was rescue the people and get them somewhere safe or watch them be obliterated! And, in the second example, Picard actually took a third option. One constant of Star Trek has always been weighing and struggling with the moral implications of their actions, and one constant was that context is key.
17:31 Really? Quoting Spock? Not only can this be easily refuted by pointing out that Picard is not Spock, but if you're going to use that source as Star Trek's stance, then you have to also accept the very next film: The Search for Spock, where the reason Kirk gives Spock for going out of his way to try to save Spock is that, sometimes, the needs of the few do outweigh the needs of the many. Similarly, one would also have to accept that Star Trek has repeatedly shown time and time again that, every time the Federation betrays their principles in the name of victory, security, whatever the excuse, it never goes well for them; it only just causes more pain and suffering.
18:09 He's not taking all the guns; he's just taking as many as he thinks he might need from a storage room. I thought that was obvious.
18:28 It's completely in-character for Data to try out human expressions by that point. Him saying, "Saddle up, lock and load" is in-character.
18:35 They don't want the people out of the town; they want the people off the planet so they can destroy the rings without hurting anyone.
18:45 Because they can't; Star Trek has shown multiple times that, without a signal to lock-on, transporting people amongst a crowd is downright impossible, and the transporter can only transport so many people at a time. The darts provide a signal for the transporters to lock on to.
19:23 Data's taking the kid's mind off of what just happened.
19:59 She already stated in previous scenes that they've learned from their long time on the planet and its effects to be able to perceive a moment as if it truly could last forever, and she's showing that little perception trick to Picard. You didn't show the scene where she previously explained it, and then complain about the lack of explanation? You did watch the movie; right?
20:13 Maybe I should've just had a counter for every time you misinterpret their rejection of technology.
22:10 Nitpick: they didn't leave the planet; they were banished for trying to usurp the town.
22:15 They didn't have to make up other reasons to dislike the bad guys; the Son'a actually wanting to wipe out the Ba'ku reflects the whole "deal with the devil" aspect of the Federation bad guy; not only is he betraying what the Federation stands for "for the greater good", but, as with any such deal, the deal-maker has their own agenda and he got far more than he bargained for. And yes; villains being hideous is a tired old trope, but here, it's justified by the 80-year banishment and them turning to all those surgeries and drugs to stay alive.
23:08 I hate to be the guy saying, "But the previous films did it too" but since Linkara literally said he thinks this is the worst Star Trek film (as in comparatively), it applies here: literally every Star Trek fight scene is crappy except for maybe Worf vs Duras. That's it.
I never get mad when an add pops up on your videos. I go out of my way to watch them, your stuff is just so high quality, love you man. Ya great!
I feel so blessed! A Nostalgia Critic episode freshly uploaded right after I finish laboring after writing... humor and intelligence!
F Murray Abraham is one of the best actors of all time, but woefully misused and in some total crap.
20:10
They don’t HATE technology, they just don’t want to be overexposed to it.
Linkara keeps carrying on about the tools the village uses even though they reject machines but it's honestly not that big a deal. It's simple: they reject technology that uses a power sources like electricity or steam or anything more advanced than a man powered device. They reject automation.
It's still a dumb idea for a story, granted, but he's making a mountain out of an anthill. That's just Linkara though so whatever.
Still doesn't explain how they knew what was wrong with Data.
K-Lue44 Except the damn, that is very much technology. Oh, you can have a damn that isn't technology, but look at that thing, there is no way to build that without heavy machinery.
The cutoff is manic.
"So some tools are acceptable, but as soon as you start using alternate power, then it is unnatural".
What?
I think the idea is tools are ok so long as they are used as an extension of yourself. A bike for example allows you to move faster but you are still the one powering it and through your own force.
It's once you remove the operator and the machine is largely functioning on its own that they draw the line because now the machine is doing the work in place of the human.
so is a horse drawn cart bad technology? it uses other form of power, being the horse but the cart itself is a simple tool.
You forgot another plothole right at the end.. We see the Enterprise leaving the planet happily.. But how in the hell are they gonna get home?? They blew up their friggin´warpcore... :)
peter obermuller Simple, they just have to use impulse power until they get to the nearest star base, it should only take a few decades at best.
They would just ask Starfleet to send another warp core.
Either that or send a towing ship to pull them to the nearest starbase.
Or they could call Captain Janeway and ask for advise about how to survive being stuck in space for a prolonged amount of time
Some ships do have reserve cores, I think. Alternatively, it's not far from Risa...
I'm actually watching this in a hotel room.
VG!Picard: Do you thing the moving of 600 people to save 800 billion people is ethically sound?
Player: (selects “No”)
VG!Picard: You have selected... “Yes.” You are of course wrong. Game over.
Player: (tosses the game out the window then proceeds to go outside and smash it to pieces)
I saw this in the theater when i was a teen. It does lag but its always nice to see this crew in action!
I know everyone says this film is bad, but this was my first introduction to Star Trek- and I freaking LOVED it! It's thanks to this film that I became a huge Trekkie, so say what you want but I can't hate this.
My first introduction to Star Trek was Star Trek The Motion Picture. I envy you.
2:12 HE HAS A SPACESHIP!
If the Baku are over 300yrs old how do the kids age? Do you have to deal with puberty for a decade or more?
There's a difference between tools that are an extension of yourself, and tools that do everything for you. There's a difference between using hand tools and medieval irrigation systems to grow your own food and saying "computer, cheeseburger and fries" and having it replicated into existence.
9:45 - I sang along too. Also...the singing only distracted Data long enough for the shuttle to dock with Data's ship. Data tried to crash the two docked ships and Piccard and Worf held their breaths and strained super hard until they sci-fi jargoned a dampening field, whereupon, Worf broke into Data's vessel and deactivated him.
18:50 - They used isolinnear tags to beam them out because the metaphasic radiation interfered with the transporters, duh!
19:30 - The actress DID go on to play Dr. Octopus's wife...who got stabbed with a shard of glass...because she stood there screaming instead of ducking.
21:40 - Wouldn't slowing the moment to stillness cause time to slow down, in which case you'd die a lot sooner from your injuries?
And why didn't the Federation just build an outpost on the other side of the planet?
AND!....wasn't the Dominion war ended by this point? I thought Worf transferred back to the Enterprise after his tour of duty was completed on DS9, meaning the war had just been concluded - unless he was on vacation, in which case: WOW, way to abandon your friends in the middle of a harrowing conflict Worf! As punishment we'll reboot your your race into frog-fly alt-right surrogates!
This movie took place during the height of the Dominion War.
I think he meant the woman doesn’t appear in future Star Trek films.
So what's better, this or Superman IV:Quest for peace - exactly
Superman Quest for Peace is just bad for the hamfisted anti-nuclear message is. Insurrection is an outright betrayal of the characters, they become the true villains.
Jokie155 I guess their at equal odds
Hard to say: both films are bad, although I really love both collab reviews with Linkara
Lewis Edwards Superman IV is truly awful, but it's damn entertaining and mercifully shorter. I'll take it over this anyday.
Superman 4 is bad but in a so bad it's good sort of way. Kind of like the Ed Wood movies.
I can finally watch this review without Russian subtitles.
That was a hell of an entrance and exit from the room...😆
L I N K A R A
HE IS MAN! PUNCH! WEARS A PURDY HAT!
COINS, ROBOTS, AMAZONS AND TRUCKS!
THIS COMIC SUCKS!
LINKARA
"Hello and welcome to atop-the-fourth-wall where bad comics burn"
16:05 There is a difference in those cases; those worlds were ceded to the Cardassian Union, and the Cardassians probably would have found a way to "justifiably" kill them...
Actually the actor who played " the boring woman" was Dr Octvius's wife in Spiderman 2! So she actually did do other stuff
And gorgeous, at least back then....but i have always had a thing for older women
And she voiced Mother Gothel in Tangled
Lol, "Ironside" (the short tune from Kill Bill) is my ringtone, so I definitely picked up my phone when Critic turned o the TV and same Linkara
That intro was gold, your the man Doug
3:40-3:51.; I didn't think that 'Star Trek 5: The Final Frontier' & 'Star Trek: The Movie' would be considered to be the most hated by 'Star Trek' fans...
Then, again, I'm a casual fan, I've only seen a few episodes of 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' & I, personally thought that 'Star Trek: The Movie' was fine--not just because it was the first one, either... Goes to show you how much I know.
tthomaselli2 5 is a Shatner ego trip about him searching for "God", that should explain the problem.
TMP is just boring. It isn't bad as such, but it stretched a normal episode to a movie length without adding anything. I can't see people hating it more than the other ones.
Picard does terminate him. If he hadn't run to the ship to kill Shinzon, Data wouldn't have gone to save his ass.Everyone on the Enterprise would have died, sans Data. I would have preferred that.
I love that Nostalgia Critic encorporates his fans into his reviews (Casper etc) it really grounds him as a character and relates him to Doug
you guys skipped a big scene that explains why they can't transport them out regularly, they set up those pylons around their that prevented them from locking on from space, the darts allow them to lock on still.
Starships are so pretty, so cool, so AERODYNAMIC! Why are they aerodynamic where there is NO AIR! Anyone? Always been curious about that. The Borg have it right - a cube will work just as well and pack in more stuff.
TheTwick I always assumed it was for flying within an atmosphere.
That could be but I don't remember a lot of atmospheric flying (maybe you can think of a lot). Starships were the "mothership" and smaller shuttle craft flew down to the planet when needed. I just think aerodynamic looks cool but not necessarily the most functional.
TheTwick Aesthetics I would assume. Also we don't see atmospheric flight but Janeway lands the Voyager on at least one occasion on a planet.
I think Starfleet ships have already a high volume to surface ratio, it's basically a round saucer section on top of a cylinder, plus the warp gondolas on the sides. Not very aerodynamic, they should fly like bricks in an atmosphere.
They don't necessarily need to be aerodynamic but, especially before they had energy shields (like in 'Enterprise'), they still needed to present a minimal surface on the forward bow. There's still "stuff" in space. The less surface there is in the vertical plane, the less surface there is for things like micrometeorites to impact with as they travel on the horizontal plane, and the more aerodynamic the shape, the more likely they'll just ricochet off the hull instead of piercing it.
I honestly can't believe that this guy said that Star Trek is about technology improving our lives. That is so clearly not what Star Trek is about. It's about humanity as a whole growing up and overcoming our greed and discrimination, and then going and spreading those ideals to other civilizations. I mean the romulans and klingons have the similar technology to starfleet, but they still have issues that the federation and humanity have overcome. Star Trek is, ironically, less about technology and more about humanity (even though its science fiction)
9752matt so we said the same thing, congratulations
I get where you're coming from but Linkara has a point, and his point actually is what enables your point. Because Humanity has reached a point where most resources are in abundance, we want for Nothing of physical value, all of our needs are taken care of, we do not struggle to gather food and water, to cloth ourselves, to protect ourselves from illness, for shelter, we want for nothing that drives the Animal side of our species. Because of this we're able to focus on what we want, as a sentient person, as a group of creatures who are free to explore our own desires. There's no need for greed or discrimination because we gain nothing from it, unlike in our world that has some level of scarcity that will always encourage some level of greed, whether out of fear of suddenly the scarcity becoming even worse or just as a status symbol of how well you do.
Remember, first contact did show that we had Just finished nuking eachother, we had just finished the third world war before we met the vulcans. The worst of humanity had reared it's head. If not for first contact, it's unknown if humanity would of ended up where it did. It was ultimately the best of humanity that got us there yes, but it was the technologies we pushed for and got from those who had gotten ahead of us, that allowed us to get there. By eliminating the need to worry about basic needs, it enabled a better humanity.
Stuff that Insurrection (as well as the other TNG movies) seem to miss.
I think the biggest mistake Nemesis made was hiring a director who has never seen Star Trek. Now that wouldn’t be an issue, if he did what Bryan Singer did which was read a majority of the X Men comics to get prepared. But Baird didn’t. He could have said “Oh sorry. I appreciate your offer, but I’ve never watched Star Trek so I’ll pass.” But no...he just went ahead and did it anyway.
2:22 CRYING 2:42 that obsessed , rip off 9:29 Trek The Musical 12:28 12:57 Scream 16:02 oh really ( Not NC) 16:30selfish jerks 16:59 Pillow 24:32 Nothing was accomplished
wait, is that TOM HARDY???
john doe
Yes. Yes it is.
Some people think that his role in Nemesis hurt his career, delaying his eventual rise to stardom.
Garret LeBuis dear god /(°o°)\ glad he was still able to achieve stardom, he's a great actor.
he was probably the best part of Nemesis though, and lets be real, it wasnt as bad as Insurrection, Final Frontier, #1 and some parts of Generations and Search for Spock.
He really bulked up after this role, Bane wasn't long after.
@@JakkFrost1 He bulked up big time for the biopic Bronson, which was a massive return to form for him, and led to roles in Inception, TDKR and everything else.
14:58 "You are stupid!"
I pissed my pants laughing...
One of my favorite NC reviews is back online!! 👍🏾👍🏾
About the Ba’ku using technology through gardening tools and dams, they’re more of a medieval esc society due to what they’re wearing and how their villages are modeled after. Technology, in my point of view, is basically machines or gadgets powered by either electricity, magical crystals or some other kind of machine powering resource.
14:59 my response to phin mason’s plan in Spider-Man miles morales
I mean it her plan is so incredibly stupid if you want revenge so bad just kill krieger she doesn’t even seem pissed at krieger she seems more pissed at roxxon at least otto and matin Li’s revenge plots were simple and effective kill Norman yet phin’s plan is too blow up an empty plaza
“Megaman robots...”
They should have dubbed in level music from the games.
“Boring woman who won’t be in any future movies so it doesn’t matter” would later go on to play mother gothel in Tangled
2:13
Forgive me if I sound clueless, but I've heard that song in several YTPs and it's driving me crazy trying to figure out where it comes from. Does it even have a name?
22:56 I just died at this part XD
Linkara and I should have a geek off. Star Trek Vs Star Wars Baby!!!!!!!
You guys are great critics, you pick up on details a lot of people don't notice, but at the same time, you guys are so detail oriented that you can't see the forest for the trees. I love you guys and I enjoy your perspective but I swear I'd never be able to watch movies with you.
0:04 LOL Doug's man scream is funny as hell.
God bless you, Lewis.
This is my first time watching this review. I just want to go on record to say that @Linkara19 is by far THE AUTHORITY on the topic of continuity. THANK YOU!
I don't know, all the Next Generation movies seemed so disconnected from the series, and each other. At least with the original cast you kinda knew what you were getting...."KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!"
20:00 I don't know why, but I was dead when Doug says "She's a wizard" and calls the drones Megaman robots.
This was essentially just a long TNG episode
Linkara’s rant is so cringe worthy and he clearly was too butthurt to actually properly watch the movie and got the wrong impression of it.
12:00
I don’t think it’s entirely for that Linkara, just look at internet comments, also the rest of the movie explains why this is the case.
12:15
So? It didn’t drill into your skull the whole technology thing, it barely came up after this scene.
13:37
Okay by “machines” they mean ELECTRONICS, stop being so whiny Linkara.
Huh, one of the only things I remembered of that movie was the subspace weapon that wasn't even mentioned (aside from the battle it was used in that is)
I remember watching this when I was little and really enjoying it to bad it doesn't hold up
3:03-3:05.; James Cromwell?...
tthomaselli2 Yes
20:25 Hold on, in this clip, one of the crew states that the shields were at 60%, HOW DID THE SHIP GET THIS MUCH DAMAGE WITH SHIELDS THAT ARE STILL HOLDING!?
"Banned Subspace weapons"; seriously; the Son'a ships use powerful weapons that were banned for being unpredictable and causing all kinds of unintended damage.
This crossover is the best linkara nostalgia critic and we need more star trek reviews
do another star trek month that explores: star trek wrath of khan, the voyage home, the undiscovered country, and star trek first contact
25:46 Holy shit, that's Tom Hardy.