John Lennox Reflects on Stephen Hawking's Life & Beliefs
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- In the wake of Stephen Hawking's death, fellow scientist Professor John Lennox reflects on Hawking's life, work, and beliefs. In 2011, Lennox wrote "God and Stephen Hawking: Whose Design Is It Anyway?" which challenges Hawking’s atheism and demonstrates that far from disproving a Creator God, Hawking’s arguments make his existence seem all the more probable.
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I'm a Christian and I like Prof John very much, not because we are on the same side, but because of his simplicity and humility and respect for others who oppose his worldview...
K.C Rongmei humility? He is one of the most hypocritically arrogant idiots who voices idiotic apologetic arguments in the world.
Michael Wilmot nothing could do more to destroy any reputation than the diarrhoea that flows from lennox’s mouth.
"Nonsense remains nonsense even if a scientist is speaking" - John Lenox.
Τεεβμαιτανεκ That spoke volumes to me
Just like Nothing remains nothing unless....! 🧐😉
Like a Theist can speak anything but nonsense.
@@con.troller4183 Literally all the Scientists of the historical Scientific Revolution were Theists, most Christians. Furthermore, more than 50% of today's scientists are still Theistic to some degree.
You were saying?
@@GhostBearCommander "Literally all the Scientists of the historical Scientific Revolution were Theists, most Christians."
Ad populum logical fallacy. Almost everyone was a theist, on pain of death and later being unable to hold elected office or attend school or receive services or attain housing...
Besides, what scientists believe in their spare time is irrelevant. Produce a single piece of actual science which lists god as a data point or as a factor in any way.
tic tic tic...
"Furthermore, more than 50% of today's scientists are still Theistic to some degree."
And 83.4% of statistics are made up on the spot. "Lies, damned Lies and statistics".
I absolutely love hearing Dr. Lennox speak. Continue the fight for Christ Doc.
Amen!
The planet is turning..
Ryan K Myles if your god exists, why does he need morons like Lennox to undertake the most breathtakingly hypocritical mental gymnastics to fight for it?
Michael Wilmot the truth is that your imaginary friend is nothing but the delusion of a weak mind.
Thank you Dr. John Lennox , I have great admiration and respect for you and all of RZIM ministry. It helped me so much in my journey with Christ
Even tho I am an Atheists but the Arguments this Gentleman is presenting is absolutely amazing and I as I was a fan of Stephen Hawkins, never thought about these things . Thank you Dr John Lennox for opening my mind about philosophy. I’ll study that for sure . 😊
THE WRESTLING FAN Hey man, your openess to this could be God calling your name! Give it a try :)
Hey friend how's your study on this going :)
Just as a side note, Prof. Lennox always comes across as so humble and gracious. I'm always impressed by that whenever I see any videos of him!
He knows how to " come across " as something.
Indeed..... people can try to deny their claims and prove them wrong, but they have nothing to say against their conduct. Delightfully Christ-like.
Tim So.. it can be proven that they're completely wrong and misleading people...
But they're nice about it?
Roper... well, I linked the word "try" to both "deny" and "prove," so no, I do not believe that what you said is the case. But yes, they are very nice about it.
Tim Con men are usually very nice too.
I don't find Lennox humble and nice at all.
Here he's trying to undermine someone days after their death, and insisting that he is right and the person who can no longer defend himself is wrong.
Pretty much the opposite of humble and nice... but he gives the impression humble and nice while he's doing it.
The Prof keeps reminding we could be smart, articulate, gentle, and loving at the same time....
Tq Doc.
Prof, John Lennox is a great scientist and true believer of Christ. He gained both. May God bless him and live long life and proclaim the truth about Christ with his scientific evidence.
HAWKING’S HALLUCINATIONS
John Lennox's assessment of Hawking as being "dumb" outside science is spot on. Stephen Hawking’s “theoretical” world was a surreal place where “Grand Design” existed without a grand designer, and natural laws popped into existence without a cosmic Law giver. The highway to Hawking’s godless “Theory of Everything” is paved with unanswered questions, casualty problems, unproven theories, unresolved paradoxes, ever more mysteries, and unverifiable “theoretical” constructs founded on dodgy concepts using fancy math. In reality Hawking’s godless “Theory of Everything” turns out to be a “theory of Nothing”. The scientific world cannot bring “anything” into existence by natural processes and godless causes alone - from scratch: Life and conscientiousness included. Hawkings and his adoring disciples have all failed to grasp the absurdity of a finite humanity - with limited knowledge, understanding and insights - truly believing science can define the ultimate nature of ultimate reality - without God. As rightly stated by the Apostle Paul, “professing themselves to be wise they became fools . . . ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth”
Isaac Newton believed in God, so you are certainly not the true Isaac Newton. So, because you believe God is imaginary which means that you came from nothing out of nowhere, or have self-creating capabilities. As such you need to contact the Nobel Committee. Let us all know how it works out!
John Heininger very well said! hawking made up a lot im sure. all is unproven bs.
Spoken like a true person with common sense that’s what science is common sense .
Hawkings's questions are closer to the truth than those "answers" of Christianity.
I am always so pleased to hear John Lennox speak. It might be too soon to speak of Hawking, and it might be seen as insensitive, but if anyone can speak on such matters, it is Lennox. I will pray that this message reaches people, and will pray for Stephen Hawking's family and other loved ones.
Prof. Lennox makes some important points here. A genius in physics should not be given credibility in subjects outside his field. I want my children and grandchildren to listen to this. Who is the young man that set up this interview? My thanks to you young man.
Larry Steimle anything outside of science,as David Hume puts it,is nothing but sophistry and illusions. Science is knowledge. All else are beliefs.
One could then argue that Richard Dawkins and the like should also stay away from anything faith-related. AKA debates on God.
It would also seem to me as a once fallen away Christian that science and what we DO know actually DO point to that which we do not know. Faith based on something, not blind faith.
Andrew my friend that is not a scientific statement. If it's true then it's false. That is a philosophical statement dealing with the nature of truth. So then, is your statement true or false? No matter what you persist on, your statement contradicts itself at its very core. Have a wonderful day friend 😃
He sounds like Andy Stanley but not him
There's just something special about John Lennox 🐂... (... must be Holy Spirit within). Blessings. Shalom.
i agree with you sister
By Faith you shall believe in God and receive eternal life with Christ.
Lennox and Hawking both brilliant in their own fields, both chose their on faith in Christ or without him. No one wants to choose wrongly yet, everyone ultimately has to decide.
Eternity forever, life on earth is like a vapor here then gone.
God bless you Prof. Lennox. I was an atheist, and later paced down to an agnostic theist because of listening to your arguments.
@Wong If one does good deeds simply because one is hoping for heaven as the reward, and if one avoids sins simply because one is scared of going to hell, then heaven will be full of businessman (who knows what is beneficial) and cowards (who knows how to avoid risk). Seeking truth is a live long complex pursuit to improve oneself, not to selfishly benefit oneself. The reason why I distant myself from the Church in the past was because of the high number of followers who think that believing is all there is to it in living a religious life.
what I would say brother is that religion just isn't the answer. Seek Jesus by your self, pray to him and ask him to reveal himself to you. This is what I did and He revealed Himself through a manifestation of His Holy Spirit to where I was brought to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is in fact lord by the encounter with Him. Religion just can't give you the 100% truth, only God can. Ask for the Holy Spirit to come and He will reveal Jesus to you. God bless brother.
Good arguments also need good evidence to back them up
walkingphilosopher keep searching 4god!!! your benefit!
Now you can give an actual and honest chance to Christianity and the Bible mate, it is so misrepresented that I think most of what people think about the Gospel message is wrong. God offers salvation by FAITH alone, apart from your works and hypocritical self-righteousness... Most "Christians" don't trust in God's righteousness, but strive to establish their own, which is what religion is all about. You can know you have this gift, if you believe, and if you are an intellectual type of person, the God of the Bible is logical and his ways are always right. Let me just give you a few things that you believe about Christianity, that are actually wrong:
1. We are all sinners, even as a Christian, we all fall short and don't ultimately deserve to be glorified by God, that is why he saves by FAITH ALONE, so that even the worse people can have hope of eternal life.
2. God absolutely hates the ways of the world, especially when it comes to religions. Jesus spoke mostly against the religious leaders of his day, rebuking their hypocrisy.
3. God hates all idols and images, especially if people bow down to them, which is logical.
4. God deals in absolutes - he is a perfect judge and a perfect saviour - it's up to you to choose in which role you want to meet him - he absolutely has to punish us in hell, but he doesn't want to, so he provided a way, so he is both righteous and just, and merciful at the same time.
5. Your works don't matter, your faith and understanding is what does.
I myself was a mindless new ager and hated the Bible and religion, because I believed they are the same, boy was I wrong!
1 Corinthians 3:18 - Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight.
God chooses the fool to confound the wise.
That no flesh shall glory in His sight.
Which god?
@@danieljoseph6404 the God your ego is terrified of.
@@gerardjones7881 Exactly. Thats why im an atheist.
@@danieljoseph6404, you need more rational reasons to be an atheist.
He is great man. Big respect for profesor Lennox. God bless him.
This is extraordinary. I had followed Stephen Hawkins work all through, only to find that it couldn't answer my ultimate questions of life. Removing God from the center stage of creation is the epitome of foolishness. Nevertheless, I have compassion for Hawkins that he spend his life searching for nothing and found nothing. May his soul rest in peace
Riya Mitra he roasts in hell rn
@Leo Wong
a man in Hell currently"
Besides that fact that the Bible is just BS, even if you were to try to make sense out of it, you would realize that your god is evil. A god who punishes someone eternally for a mortal crime is not just.
"A man who rejected Jesus is a wicked man."
I love that you just make things up.
Amen
Unbelievable. Everyone saying he is in Hell. It is not for us to judge but for Jesus. He will judge us on our thoughts and these alone. Jesus loves all people despite their sins and it is for him alone to judge if we are worthy of Heaven. I know I am not for I am far from perfect but I live in his grace with the hope of his forgiveness.
@@iain5615 EXACTLY!
Hawkings lived far longer with ALS than a human would. I believe that God granted him far more time than would normally be given with such a devastating disease.
Atheists love and are very protective of their own strange and contradictory quasi-religion. Hawking was not only a fool when commenting about religion, his socio-political beliefs were also very left wing and destructive. Hawking was a prime example as to why intellect and wisdom are two very different qualities. Occasionally these qualities come together in the same person. But in Stephen Hawking, that was certainly not the case.
If the universe created itself from nothing, it created itself before it came into existence.!
Of course, it's so obvious, and l couldn't see it!
Thank you and God bless you John Lennox.
THE UNIVERSE HAS NEVER EXIST,IT IS ONLY ENERGY GOD(AND JESUS )MADE INTO MATERIAL
Multiply a trillion by it self and now subtract a trillion multiplied by itself and you will have zero or nothing. The possibilities of nothing is infinite.
Science continues to expand human knowledge, religion is just nonsense.
Alex, science shows us how God did it. There is no other credible theory other than God and at least 7 major evidence types to support God theory
Thank you professor. God bless you.
“The great pioneers of science, Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Clerk Maxwell, were all believers in God and their faith in God didn’t hinder their science it was the motive that drove it because it gave them a reason to think that the universe was intelligently organised...”
No one ever said that it necessarily does hinder.
But interestingly Newton tried to use god in his descriptions of planetary orbits, and was quite wrong.
So yeah it did affect him negatively.
And I imagine Galileo would have something to say on religion and science.
That was in Stephen Hawking's book... which I'm guessing you didn't bother to read
Roper122
You say Newton “was quite wrong” regarding God & planetary orbits; hindered scientifically by his faith. What are you referring to?
Did you have to read Hawking’s book to get that Galileo would ‘have something to say about science and religion’? I certainly don’t. But it’s a moot point; he was a devout believer in the Bible.
"God is known by nature in his works, and by doctrine in his revealed word."
Alex What am I referring to? So you didn't read Hawking's book?
That seems odd... you're so quick to criticise him.
Newton tried to explain the orbits of the planets, and when he couldn't, he included in his theory the suggestion that god makes adjustments every once and awhile so that it works.
Not very scientific, wouldn't you agree?
And in fact wrong too.
Pretty much everyone on Galileo's day was a believer, its nothing spectacular.
But if you want an example of how belief in god hindered science... go no further that what happened to him.
Roper122
-I didn’t criticise Hawkins once
-Newton was wrong about something. Who cares? He’s arguably the greatest scientist in history, and a Bible-believer.
-Galileo was a Bible-believer, his murder doesn’t change that.
Alex Oh really? You just came here to write random quotes?
Where'd the quotes come from?
Newton was wrong about something, because of his religious beliefs... the exact opposite of what your quote says.
You should read up on Galileo, I'm not saying he was religious, in fact I made that point clear.
John Lennox is such a well spoken man. Very respectful.
John has and shows great respect for Hawking as a scientist but we can have respect and still disagree without undermining the person. But as he says scientists do make statements that are not scientific. He doesn't undermine Hawking as a person but shows that the statements he made in his books are simply not true and were a matter of his opinion based on his philosophy (which he said is dead). Just because a scientist says something profound or not don't give it weight or authority, science is supposed to be evidence based and observed. Nonsense is still nonsense even if it is spoken by a scientist. The Book "God an Stephen Hawking" is a great little read. Well worth a look!
Eric Splodge hawking wasnt dumb he denied god out of hatred or revenge for his illness
GOD SAYS: I HANG THE EARTH ON NOTHING
"John has and shows great respect for Hawking as a scientist"
If that was true, Lennox would not have straw-manned a dead scientists life work to score cheap theist points.
Does intellectual honesty mean nothing to Theists?
Excellent discussion! Lennox is thoughtful as always!
John Lennox - a brilliant mind with the gift of communication. God bless you, sir. As for Hawking - he now knows!
as does Hitchens
Lmao. How do you know?
John Lennox is one kind and briliant man.
GaryWalker So you believe the universe started as a singularity (we’ll call it an egg, to simplify things) and this “egg” was just always there and for whatever reason decided to explode? Sounds pretty delusional to me.
He is the best mathematician
Prof Lennox emulates the demeanor of Jesus, the confidence of a silver back gorilla, and the character of a 35 year old aged irish whiskey.
:D love it
Ha! That is brilliant!
Rolf Leseratz the date is 2018 isn't it? Do you know why? Lmao enough said, TOOTLES
Well I have heard of Prof Lennox but you, who are you exactly?
You're easily impressed.
What scientist would try to remove the possibility of God? I thought scientists were supposed to be open to new ideas, discoveries and possibilities, rather than try to place science above, as the end and not the means. But once you make that determination and cross the line, close the door on the Creator, you're no longer a scientist, but a level D grad student.
I think it's become almost like a cult for scientist, if you believe in God you can't enter
GOD bless John Lennox
A great man is one who realises how little he knows...like our dear brother John Lennox. The first among men is but a fool in comparison to God. He knows this, and consequently, he deserves our love and gratitude for standing up for God and his word.
Wow! I praise God for Prof. John Lennox. He is a Godly man whom we can always follow his argument and trust his ideas. He is an asset for the entire Christendom. Praying for his health and long life. Rev. Dr. Johnson from Kerala, India
Dr. Lennox is an accomplished professor and a very smart man. If made up religious stories can do this to Dr. Lennox, imagine what it could do to not so smart people.
If smart people turn to God, perhaps there is something smart about believing, after all.
+megalopolis2015
Sure, if there was a God. There is no evidence for any God. Do you know how an immaterial being (God) can have a mind, intelligence, intentions & ability to think without a material brain?
+megalopolis2015 Smart Dr. Lennox can't realize that Jesus the messiah is a fictional figure posthumously glorified by fake backdated prophecies & fake miracle stories like virgin birth, resurrection & walking on water, which were all copied from previously glorified fictional figures like: Attis, Krishna, Zoroaster & Dionysos.
Atam: Very parroted and completely inaccurate statement. Mythology is what it is because there is absolutely no evidence to support the fictional god-like characters provided by societies in the past. Also, there was next to no similarities between Jesus and the mythological deities, so put the film Zeitgeist out of your head, because it is false, including by atheist scholar standards. Jesus Christ, however, has a great deal of evidence to support not only His existence, but His death, as well as the fact that many people, both His supporters and even some of His detractors, believed in His resurrection, which was spoken of immediately after the fact, and written of in most of these people's lifetimes, including by figures and historians of the time outside of the Bible, as determined by current experts in the field from all backgrounds and faiths, including atheism.
Thanks for ignoring everything I said, thus proving my point. You don't want truth to destroy your "facts".
Awesome. Thank you for this interview. I've been thinking allot about Stephen and on the one hand, very happy that he's no longer confined to that crippled body, but then wondering what awaits him, given his adamant beliefs that everything came from nothing. God is no respecter of persons. I just wish Stephen had been able to see that nothing makes sense without God in it. JMHO, please. Don't attack me if you feel differently. I just wish Stephen had known God.
Bea, Honey dog and me same here, I hate that many Christians joked about him going to hell.. shows how imperfect we ALL are but dang man.. we gotta try harder
I wish he could have seen God and His wonderousness. Before he was gone, I mean. What a gift he was given to be able to think as he did, but we never would have known what he was thinking had he not had that synthesizer for his voice. I still pray for mercy for those who pass without believing. God can forgive whomever He pleases. He knows the heart, but Stephen was very defiant. It's not likely he's met with a favorable eternal end.
Bea, Honey dog and me he surely did he aint dumb but out of hatred or revenge for his condition he denied HIM publicly
This guy is such a profound thinker and therefore goes beyond most scientists who tend to think more in a vacuum.
Thanks to both parties, I was waiting for a response from Professor Lennox. God bless you and keep you.
John Lennox is a gift to the world. Great interview.
I’m an atheist, but I have a great respect for Professor Lennox. If I had had someone like him in my circle when I started to question my faith I might not have left Christianity.
Please don't think that I judge you but perhaps you just walked away. I don't know a whole lot but I just can't deny God. His existence. His sovereignty. When we put him first He in return proves himself to you. This is hard to explain in a small space. Proverbs 1:7 & 3:5-7. Luke 15
Well, you would still have left christianity. If you question your faith, the step to leaving isn't that far away, and not much will stop you from leaving. Lennox is a moron, how you would ever think otherwise is weird AF.
good sir, for those of us who perpetually seek truth, it is never too late to embrace truth even, and especially when, it contradicts our comfort zone or our previous notions. My only encouragement to you is to study the claims of the Bible and if you take seriously investigating if God is, I believe that would require praying to said God and being humble enough to ask Him to help you realize Him and understand Him and His words.
I do firmly believe the Bible is God's word, and I came from opposite side of the tracks as a boy raised by a single atheist mother who encouraged us to seek the truth and feel free to come to whatever conclusion, and I myself became an atheist for many years.
I ended up a believer in Jesus because the truth couldn't be suppressed by my false reasonings and warped perspective any longer. It became too obvious to me. I could list reasons and experiences and truths and prophesies, but I won't. I simply encourage you not to abandon looking into Christianity and giving it some humble examination and pursuit to see if what the Bible teaches is the truth, because whether we like the truth or not, or even believe in it, we ultimately will be dealing with it nonetheless. Thanks for your time, sorry I wrote a lengthy comment. :/
I sense you have never really been a Christian if you depend on your circle in order to stick to your faith.
Why didn't you tell God about your doubts? It's not too late.
He's a professor, you're a belly dancer :)
Much love & respect to Prof. Lennox! 😊😊😊
How true, that Intelligence can corrupt the mind through pride. Only those who humble themselves or those who are at the end of themselves are able to find God.
Great interview!
John Lennox sounds like he's from Co. Donegal.... (or maybe I just want to claim as one of us!). A wee cup of tea ☕ John? ☺
Hope I get to go hear Lenox at one of his events!
Always great to hear a brilliant man speak with a strong knowledge of spiritual issues as well as academic ones.
It's a tragedy, not that he died, but that he died before he turned to Jesus. The idea, promoted by pseudo-intellectual atheists, that God and science oppose one another is utterly laughable. Isaak Newton and Leibnitz tried to explain this to their fellows. As Lennox put it, the first job God gave to Adam and Eve was to do biological taxonomy. God LOVES science. In fact he is the greatest scientist of all, and he wanted us to study his wonderful creation from day one.
So you think God will punish him for this? isn't that kind of horrifying?
You'll find out sooner or later.
Oh, I agree, Momo! Believing in "fairy tales" would truly be a tragedy!
Jaikee Berlin, pray and ask God to reveal to you the truth that the Old Testament contains copies of much older writings (such as the Epic of Gilgamesh). Also ask God to show you if the Theory of Evolution is accurate.
Then show us how honest you are. Either come back later to say:
* God doesn't answer prayers.
* God confirmed that what non-believers tell you is true.
* You went and studied the evidence and now understand the Bible contains myths.
Jaikee Berlin.
If God loves science so much as you claim he does why didn't God tell us all about the universe in the Bible? Black holes, other galaxies (billions of them) that the sun was the centre of the solar system, dark matter, that the sun works on nuclear fusion, that stars are suns but just far away.
The reality is that men wrote the Bible and those men who wrote the Bible understood less than a five year old does now.
I like this brother in Christ, I've seen some of his speeches and that's actually how i stumbled upon this video. I've many back and fourths with atheist here on CZcams and I've found out that almost all of them actually know nothing about God or theology, if you let them talk long enough they expose themselves. I've even come across those that were "Christians" and became atheist and they to reveal that their "Christianity" was superficial.
1thess523
Bingo. Sounds like you're awake.
And, you have an awesome user name. Stand firm to the end, Friend.
+1thess
*almost all of them (atheists) actually know nothing about God or theology,*
would that be god or theology in general, or simply your specific god or theology?
I'm interested in how you found this out, and what it is you actually found out in terms of what they didn't know, i mean the bible (for example) is accessible to anyone, right?.
Mark Douglas
For what it's worth, I can attest to his statement. The ex-"Christians" I hear on youtube make it clear they were never actually Christians, deeming their critiques of their former religion non-applicable. Dr. Michael Shermer is a perfect example. He makes fun of the Trinity because he simply doesn't even understand the concept, and I'm not convinced he wants to. Again, I'm just one voice with one specific case, so take from it what you will. Thanks for the good question mark, Douglas.
I saw your next response before you deleted it, and I must say, you ask good and vital questions. Especially that last one: "How do you know you're a Christian?" If only more people would listen to a question like that (about anything they believe!) But I will be glad to continue if you wish, Sir Douglas.
Hi Tim
I didn't delete my comment, it must have been 1thess
I make it a habit to sign out and see if my comment still shows, and it didn't, so 1 thess deleted it
God existence is beyond science. The creation witness the beauty of His glory.We as creatures we live in relationship first with the Creator then others to live life in happiness
We have been given a gift of choice.Man is created in the image of the Creator.Man conscience and soul is enriched by the choice of believing in God.The belief in God transforms our brain activity and the chemical in our body and makes us a loving person in relationship.Love is a gift from God to human being derived from our belief in God ,what we experience we share and give to others unconditionally
I got through 11 minutes of this. I deserve a reward.
Both Hawking and Lennox are greats in their speciality , do not be stupid and make judgements on them.
Nope,He has published over 70 peer-reviewed articles on mathematics and co-authored two Oxford Mathematical Monographs,in addition to his fellowship in philosophy so he has the right to discuss and contradict Hawking in his religious view.
what do you say about Martin Rees who is also an atheist cosmologist and astrophysicist?
who told you that Lennox did not? what fact in Hawking’s view prove the non-existent of god?
Provide evidence for the non-existence of any god, and then we'll talk,same applied on you.Even R.Dawkins the most famous out spoken atheist scientist has gave a probability on god existence.
Sir Issac Newton has took the gravity to prove the existence of the god by asking the questions who and why,not just how; in contrast to Hawking ( whom I a also admire as a great scientist) who only asked how.
Did you finish the video to the end or it is just when you saw Lennox you became so angry ( some of my replies also mentioned in the video itself ).
Funny how some (SOME) atheists are like snowflake SJW. Prof. Lennox offered the highest praise to Hawking as a scientist, while at the same time offered some insightful and necessary criticisms of Hawking's more philosophical conclusions. But like SJW, some atheists commenters will just not put up with ANY criticism of their hero Hawking and their sacred belief in atheism. C'mon guys, if you have problems with something specific that Lennox said then interact with that and perhaps a decent conversation can begin. Sure Lennow is skeptical of Hawking's proposal and his overreaching philosophical conclusions. But isn't skepticism an attitude embedded in the very nature of science?
Here we go. “You claim…” I claim? Seriously? Perhaps you need to actually read my comment again-this time with the motive to actually understand it and not be overly defensive! “Hawking's philosophical conclusions are overreaching…” Lennox (and others both atheists and theists share that conclusion) argued that, not me, though I see the validity of that criticism. You simply provide a classic illustration of the point I made when you state that I “defend the religious position”! Man o man! What “religious position” did I defend again? Did I even make any? Why be so defensive? Why not engage the dialogue in a way that shed light than simply burn more fire (as SJW tend to do)? I’m tempted to return the compliment, “Get real, fool.”
@Bungdit Din . . . Excuse me, "cleverer"? Dead Zeus, need I say more? Wow.
@Bungdit Din: Secondly, please, oh please do show me the clear "evidence" from science that there is "no God/Creator", no less. If you're honest, you can't and NO atheist can, for that matter. Period, the end. -_-
Jesse Hake, evidence there is no God/Creator? The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Also, it is ridiculous to ask someone to prove a negative. Can you prove unicorns don't exist?
Side note: people don't have to pick one or the other. You can understand the Theory of Evolution and the Big Bang are valid and still believe in a god.
Zgob ermn When I think of Hawking I think of the passage in the Bible : ”The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1).
Hawking was a brilliant scientist in his field of expertise yet he was a fool according to the standards of the Bible.
Wonder what Hawking has to say to the Creator now...
John Lennox is an example of the Words in 1 Peter 3:15 "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asked you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: " Also,
Isaiah 1:18 "Come now and let us reason together...."
17:36 If you ask the why questions of purpose about the universe and you come up with an answer how do you determine if that answer is correct?
Imagine how cool it would be if John Lennox was your grandad!
I'd rather have Stephen Hawking as my grandad
@MomoTheBellyDancer I would be beyond happy to have such a bright, honest man who has never done anything to cause harm in this world
@MomoTheBellyDancer Richard Dawkins has told more lies in any of his books then Lennox in his whole life
Every time the atheists respond to opposing views with cursing, disdain, and high minded condescension, it makes me think they can feel the ground shifting beneath their feet......so to speak. If you really believe in something, just state your case man. No need to make it personal.
It doesn't get much more personal than telling someone they deserve eternal torture, and being glad when someone dies because you think that they are now receiving that torture.
Just to let you know where some of those atheists might be coming from.
The Stig Any good Christian wouldnt be glad at someone else’s damnation. Not sure who is doing that but this guy definitely doesnt.
@@bethoumyvision1346 First, No True Scotsman fallacy, many many Christians rejoice at the thought of their God punishing unbelievers, but no worries. Forget the latter half of what I said. Do I deserve eternal torture?
The Stig well, they will be in for a rude awakening methinks. I don’t know ya, sir. Hope not :)
@@bethoumyvision1346 Once again, a Christian dodges my question. I don't blame you though, the only ones who give me a straight answer to that are Calvinists. They may believe wicked things, but at least they'll tell me straight up that yes, I deserve eternal torture, and so does everyone else. At least they aren't politicians about it. Appreciate the answer.
My science teacher and Christian brother said in the 1960's that Science if the signature of God in the universe in our religious knowledge class. Still makes sense.
John Lennox is so humble. God bless him.
Let me say this, Hawkins knows now there is a God. My hope is he is with God now, not apart.
L L Amen
You & John Lennox are simply hooked on a feeling.
And let me say, You know absolutely nothing regarding the matter and are only repeating ancient nonsense.
Who are you to say that? God in his infinite mercy reveals himself to those who seek him diligently. Two man were crucified with Christ, one mocked him while he was dying and the other scolded him saying Jesus did nothing wrong but he did and so did the other guy, then he turned to Jesus and said remember me when you enter into your kingdom, Jesus told him this day you will be with me in paradise. God is merciful and you should think this way too. Many muslims are having dreams of Jesus visiting them and saving them, why? Because God is merciful and many do not know how to read so God shares with them the love that he has for them.
Who am I? One thinking individual who does not turn his thinking abilities off (which is by the way our only tool for understanding the world) in favor of what his society or the religion he was born into says.
Repeating somethings from bible won't give you any advantage in arguing sth. Muslims, Hindus and all other believers can repeat some phrases from their holly !!! books and it won't give them any advantage as it didn't give you any
Even if we believe that jesus was a real man in history and the story happened as you rephrased, again it won't prove anything. at its best somebody told sth to somebody else and then they died. again you will hear similar stories from believers of other religions in favor of their belief system. Will those stories have any value for you or make you change your mind?
About dreams: they prove absolutely nothing, NOTHING. All it takes is to eat too much or not enough before going to bed, have some hormones in action or think about sth for a while to create a dream at night. Do you still remember your teenage dreams? Are they proof for any divinity?
Besides, again there are thousands of Muslims who are convinced that Christians are converting to Isam because they are discovering truth through dream, revelation or other means.
None of these can be presented as proof to support this or that belief system
But returning to the main topic: It is unethical and nonsensical to after some brilliant person's death turn out and say: Now he meets the God and finds out he was wrong all his life, or gets punished ...
None of you know or have any means to understand what happens after death. You don't have a single tool to examine if your after death stories have any truth in them (beside dreams and dusty ancient books of course)
If you have a leg to stand on, face these brilliant minds while they are alive and prove them wrong. Or better ask your God to reveal himself in an undeniable way and put an end to these arguments.
Until that day, please be ethical enough, don't pretend to know thing you don't have slightest idea about and above all stop talking about what happens to these people after their death when they can't defend themselves
Too much cancer from both sides here in the comments, just shows you how imperfect we truly are..
One of the last things that Hawking said "universes can create themselves, we have no need of God."
Great interview! Thank you!
I hope Hawking accepted Jesus Christ before his death. Eternity without Christ is a nightmare.
Prove that there are such things as Christ, or eternity.
You are asking for evidence where the normal rules of evidence do not apply. My religion is based on faith, as is yours. You have faith that hell and heaven aren't real and I have faith that they are. BTW, there is good evidence for the historical Jesus. If we cannot rely on that evidence, then we just as well completely give up studying history.
You need God's precious holy spirit in order to receive the evidence.
No. I don't. Go away.
And your evidence for this claim would be....? I will not hold my breath for an answer.
don't understand what exactly did Stephen Hawking's do besides write a couple of books ?
He demonstrated a mechanism by which the production of virtual particle pairs in the region of the event horizon of a black hole that the black hole will loose mass and eventually disappear. He also showed that the entropy of a black hole is proportional to the surface area of the event horizon.
Truthsabre.
That is your problem, you just don't understand.
Thank you, Dr. Lennox!
“I have huge respect for Hawking as a scientist but I’m afraid I would almost say that no person with any education in philosophy read The Grand Design before they published it.”
You know, as an atheist, I actually like John Lennox. I like the way he presents himself. Unfortunately, when it comes to god, he is like any other theist, its just one logical fallacy after another...
Alicantino, which logical fallacies do you reference? Can you point out one?
alicantino11 man do yourself a favor and seek god!
You have a LOT more faith to be an atheist than I do as a Christian! Far more questions than you have answers
John is one of the most polite philosophical dimwits I have the pleasure of listening to.
Reepecheep Ad hominem and baseless, foolish assertion. Every atheists' only weapon.
I'm sorry you feel this way. It was an assertion, of course, but I do not think it is baseless. I'd be happy to discuss it further with you if you'd like, if not, I hope you got some catharsis from your own baseless assertion.
Reepecheep Your statement was pure ad hominem. How I feel about it is irrelevant.
It was simply my opinion expressed in the comment section dedicated to expressing ones opinion on the video. I'm sorry you have felt slighted by this in some way. Do you have questions for me or something to add beyond just telling me I shouldn't express my opinion?
Reepecheep Save long-winded jargon. It was ad hominem, no matter how you spin it.
I like the way he spoke he was so insightful
I am a Muslim and I consider John Lennox the best person to respond with logic to atheists. I hope God opens his heart to Islam
Hopefully He accepted Christ before he died.... I mean we don’t know but there is a chance
He did.... probably not but still.
Rolf Leseratz
How? I just stated a comment.
Rolf Leseratz
How exactly? have you ever died and seen the other side? When you do
Come tell me so I can know because as for now, we don’t know okay
Thank you 🙃
Rolf Leseratz
How do you know? Have you died yet...No, so thank you for proving my point
Peter Salucci Oh!What if he didn't.
yash agar
Don’t know maybe he just died and that’s it
"The idea of the universe creating itself is absurd," says the man who believes a celestial monster named Yaweh spoke the universe into existence with a magical incantation. GTFO.
Tony Mario. Thanks for pointing out how Lennox dishonestly represents what Hawking had claimed. What an asshole.
Must not sound that absurd to Richard Dawkins. He told Ben Stein that he seriously thought the origins of life of earth was aliens planting seeds here. (facepalm at the major can kicking down the road......)
rubbersole79. You can't win an argument by misrepresenting Dawkins's view on panspermia. Fail.
Not arguing, not trying to win anything. Just illustrating how clueless Dawkins is. Which wasn't all that hard.
who asked your opinion?
May I say, sir, you are a brilliant man and in my opinion even more brilliant than Hawkins. You are also extremely humble as well. God bless you sir.
Simply blessed 🙏🏼
It is so distasteful when a famous atheist dies that people of Lennox's ilk cannot help but undermine him.
He most definitely did not agree with what is being inferred and he is no longer alive to defend himself.
The only thing that I agree with is that yes Hawking was lightyears ahead of Lennox.
Embarrassing.
Roper122 if you actually listened instead of spewing nonesense you would’ve known that Lennox said that Hawking was a great scientist. Also, Hawking is not saying anything new here. Everything he said is already in his book. Hawking had ample time to reply if he really wanted, but he didn’t. So don’t come here and accuse Lennox of anything, you can ask Hawking why he didn’t reply.
Charbel Oh I listened, sorry to break it to you.
You're saying he praised him for being good scientist, and then ( of course )
went on to say things " already in his book "
So... not praise then.
And while I admit that it's hardly worth Hawking's time to respond to Lennox, it's still in very poor taste to criticise him right after his death.
What you are saying is that Lennox literally came out days after Hawking died and said
" He was a good scientist, but totally wrong about god "
Why bother?
Why not show some class and just say he was a good scientist?
Better still, why not keep your mouth shut and say nothing at all?
No... Lennox couldn't help himself.
Very, very, poor indeed.
Hawking was lightyears ahead of him in many ways.
Roper122 , Hawking's denial about the creation, to me, is just an indirect proof of inflated ego as a human being or a total lack of intuition or strategic thinking. A good tactician but a poor strategist... Newton vs Einstein.... one tactically comes up with a predictive approach to gravity without explaining it, the other one explains it... I am not impressed at all by those world-class tacticians who tries to justify bad strategies with genius tactics. The same can be found in chess. Master tacticians who can justify sometimes bad positions gainst weaker opponents with grandiose tactics... Hawking is just that... a master of cheapos (chess term)...
He's going to face his creator soon.... God, the perfect tactician and perfect strategist...
But of course, whether Lennox comments are distasteful or not is simply a matter of your opinion and has no objective moral grounding. Therefore, it's perfectly consistent with your worldview for Lennox to make such comments, and you don't really have a complaint here. In fact, your complaint is inconsistent with materialistic naturalism. Embarrassing.
notallgarbage Oh sorry... I was criticising Lennox for attacking the recently deceased.
But you obviously enjoy that sort of thing.
23:32: I always took Sagan's statement to be one of definition. (In other words, he's telling us what he *means* by the word "cosmos".)
"The idea of the Universe creating itself is absurd."
The idea is that our local universe came into existence at the big bang but that the energy/matter/forces from which that sprang has always existed.
The only differences between that belief and theism are (1) we have evidence to support our beliefs and not just ancient books of fairy tales and (2) we do not presuppose that the eternally existing "stuff" has a personality.
Alexander Williams: we don't presuppose anything you moron, we use logical deductive arguments, see William Lane Craig you doofus😝😝😝
Isaac Newton: No, that's is complete bullshit, before the big bang there was *NO MATTER* *NO ENERGY* *NO ANYTHING* you are full of shit! And Isaac Newton was a Christian you fool!
In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence.
Isaac Newton!
+Isaac Newton
"(1) we have evidence to support our beliefs and not just ancient books of fairy tales"
There is not even close to sufficient evidence to warrant belief in the triune God Christians claim to believe in. And I am not talking about arguments; but _evidence_ . There is not even a good definition of what the 3 persons in one being of YHWH / Holy Spirity / Jesus, is.
"- Can you give me evidence for your god, please?"
I don't have a god.
"You clearly don't understand the Big Bang Theory"
I understand it much better than you do. Try reading some actual 21st century cosmology texts or peer reviewed papers and then getting back to me. I will get you started with some easily accessible descriptions which all back my point.
curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/101-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/general-questions/570-where-did-the-matter-in-the-universe-come-from-intermediate
www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html
www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-beginning-of-time-2006-02/
Now, you can continue to simply claim that I am wrong, but I am providing _evidence_ to back my points. Do you see the difference?
John's salient question: "Where does science point? -Does it point to God or atheism or nowhere?"
-It's one of those big questions which is easily hijacked by any world view.
Love Lennox he explains in a way i understand things ive never understood
15:06 Did Henry ever drive a T-Ford?
Note a driver is not a combustion engine, but the combustion engine doesn't just need an inventor in the past, it is built so it only works when someone is driving it.
I like the way the young interviewer put it, namely, it is a category mistake to confuse agency with law.
For instance the law of gravitation as formulated by Newton may indeed more or less accurately describe the agency of gravitational pull : what it does not do is prescribe that gravitational pull is the only relevant agency.
In a football match, some freewilled agencies are interfering with Earth's gravitational pull on the ball and therefore the actual movements of the ball will not illustrate a good graph of purified gravitational pull, most of the time, except when someone drops the ball from his head to the ground in order to shoot a penalty or reenter the ball. As soon as then his feet touch the ball, it is no longer just illustrating the law of gravitation, because it is no longer just under the agency of Earth's gravitational pull.
Jesus is not theology ,he is GOD! Science proves GOD exist . There could be no science without GOD! God lets us use his science to discover what has always been and to better our lives !
For The pioneers of science to continually marvel at Gods intelligent design vs today’s science that continually tries to disprove Gods existence just shows how far we’ve fallen
We've fallen far enough to think that a being with imperfections are the best work of a perfect being.
But John, it's clear that when Hawking said 'Philosophy is dead' he meant 'philosophy as hitherto understood'. And then he suggested his own, new brand. So there is no logical contradiction in his statement. However I accept your other criticisms of his philosophy, and I appreciate your insights.
I love John Lennox. Gracious. always.
Hawking had reason in his mind, perhaps because of his infirmity, to be at enmity with God. Lennox touches on this; that even though a person of scientific stature such as Hawking should be respected for his abilities in science, his views on God and philosophy appeared to be influenced and directed by his heart condition, (anger at God), which blinded him to the truth of the Creator, even to the point of making out and out contradictory statements in his work.
I do not understand how law of gravity able to create mass. Without mass there is no gravity, without gravity there is no law of gravity.
Energy = mass in e=mc2
Gravity creating mass?
Love hearing this man share knowledge
What lots of people (even pastors) don't (yet) understand.
God created us according to His own image and likeness. Godly.
Mankind/the first Adam fell. The image of God in man got lost. That's why there is all this predicament on earth (selfishness, greed, lust, wars, sicknesses, death, etc).
We are all born into that mess.
For the fall of man a perfect atoning sacrifice had to be made.... that is what God did in Christ.
With His own once and for all perefect sacrifice, He paid the debt for the fall of man for us, so we can be indwelled by His Spirit again and finally receive the divine life of the ages back, the first Adam let got of in the fall of man. An amazing act of grace and love by our creator.
That is what you see happening in Christ's first disciples. They too healed all and walked in unselfish love.
And yes.... that is still avaible today. The holy blood is in place, the Holy Spirit is here to give us understanding, power and transform us back to origin.
Not to be debated about, but to be embraced and be-come.
So: The Kingdom of God already came. Through Christ, in Spiritform, in those that understand.
Hence the divine healing miracles we experience.
God manifested in Christ to give us back the divine life mankind lost in the fall of Adam.
Christ, the exact image of the invisible God.
The image we were created after in Gen 1.
The image we lost in the fall of man.
The image that can be freely restored by Christ's blood and Holy Spirit working IN us.
What a plan. What a solution. What a love. What a God. Jesus is amazing.
It is the ultimate conclusion of the word and plan of God. God came full circle.
He Himself stooped down from glory to restore us back to original created value: Christlikeness. Walking in divine healing power and unselfish love.
Jesus, born of the Spirit of God, filled with the spirit of God. The "Son" of God, the incarnated word, God in the flesh.
For three years He healed all, raised the dead, casted out demons, controlled nature, spoke pure divine truth.
He said:
"Follow Me. If you see Me, you see the Father. The Father and I are one. The glory I have IN My Father, I give to you. It pleases the Father to give you His Kingdom/Holy Spirit/divine nature. I will send Holy Spirit, the same as Me, He will be IN you, guide you into truth and give you explosive power. The same miracles i do, you will do too, because you will understand that the Father is IN Me and I am IN you. Freely I give you My Kingdom/Holy Spirit/divine nature, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, freely I give, freely share" Etc, etc, etc.
I have experienced thousands of beautifull healing miracles through the power of Holy Spirit IN me already. Broken bones, cancers, covid, all kinds of infirmities healed in seconds. Demons manifesting and casted out by a simple "get out, in Jesus name".
Jesus. De name above all names. In Him all power and wisdom is sourced and.... He calls us one with Him. God in man and man in God again. C'mon Jesus!!
So.... again: God stooped down IN Christ to restore us back to Gen 1:27 were He said: "Let us make man according to our image and likeness and let them have authority.....": walk as Christ.
Christ, the exact image of the invisible God. The image we were created after and being restored to by His atoning blood for the fall of man and indwelling Holy Spirit.
You are free to receive this original divine life of the ages by Holy Spirit of Christ/God. Ask Him to guide you into truth. Read the Gospel of John and fall in love with your creator.
You are not made for the fall of man and its effects, but for the image/glory of God and to walk like Christ. Holy Spirit is the guide and transforming power that will get you there. Amazing grace.
A big leap in faith can be made when we start realizing we are already IN Christ, IN the last Adam.
Free from the fall! Loved! Growing into awareness of our new (yet old) godly identity. Changing by Holy Spirit. The most fullfilled life ever.
Paul healed all on Malta. He understood and wrote:
"As in the first Adam ALL died (lost the divine nature), so also ALL were made alive IN Christ to walk in Zoë (= divine life) again".
"IN Christ (the last Adam) we are co-cruisified (dead to the fall and its effects), co-raised (justified/made righteousness, holy, blameless, above reproach), co-seated (one with Him)"
"The fullness of deity dwells in Christ and YOU HAVE BEEN MADE COMPLETE IN HIM, who is the head of every principality and power".
So.... thank you Jesus! Thank you for redeeming me from the fall of man. Thank you for your Holy Spirit that makes this new (yet old) divine life come alive in me. You are amazing!
In the shadow of Peter the sick healed... He understood too and wrote:
"By Gods power (Holy Spirit) and knowing Christ, we have become partakers of the divine nature and have escaped the fall of man".
The divine life of the ages has been returned to us by Jesus once and for all perfect atoning sacrifice for the debt of the fall of man and His indwelling Holy Spirit in us. Jesus/God is amazing!!!
Ask Him to give you revelation and change you to the way it was before the fall of man: Christlikeness.
He will do so. For it is written: "the Spirit brings forth after His own kind".
"I have come to give you Zoë (divine life) in abundance...."
Only 48 seconds and can't watch the rest of it as the music is spoiling the video as its volume is to loud .
"Yesterday I woke to the news, just like the rest of the world" Not me, I was in Australia and heard one hour after it happened at 2:00pm in the afternoon...
Dr. John Lennox is a man of God
I'm happy to see a video actually honoring Hawking after his death rather than the many videos only critisizing him which I found disrespectful.
good morning Professor Lennox
The annoying background noises in the first minute make this unpleasant and confusing. Why would you make a you tube video if you didn't have a fairly quiet place to make it?
When I think of Stephen Hawkings I can't help to think about that piece of gum in the movie sausage party.
A singularity and the expanding universe,was a notion put forward by Georges Lemaitre,a Catholic priest,who said science and religion were not in conflict
Finally, someone who gets me!
John Lennox says the 'idea of the universe creating itself is absurd' and yet he seems to believe in a big bang! Isn't that a flat contradiction.
God granted Mr Hawking a long life so he had time to accept Christ but sadly, he chose not to accept God's grace. When atheists make important discoveries, they worship themselves instead of giving God the glory. The tragedy is that "people who spend their entire lives choosing to live apart from God will have their wish granted in the after-life".
God chose the fool to confound the wise, that no flesh shall glory in His sight.
@2plus2 your brain needs a good washing.
I should clarify myself in response to some of the comments. When I said if I had someone like Professor Lennox in my circle, I was referring to the intellectual struggle I endured upon reading A Brief History of Time. I was a young earth creationist who believed in plenary inspiration of scripture. Studied at seminary to be a preacher. When I read the scientific evidence which led me to the conclusion the literal creation story was questionable, the only response I got from those in my circle was rejection. Any attempt I made at reconciliation between the two was called heresy. ‘You cannot be a Christian if you reject the literal reading of genesis one,’ they replied. Furthermore, I could get no one to read Hawking’s book and attempt a refutation. Eventually, this led to my leaving the faith. In the ten years since, I have studied many areas of science and have become more certain of my atheism. So the jest of my comment was, if I had someone like Professor Lennox at hand who wasn’t afraid to read a book on science, I might have stayed in the fold. I am happier as an atheist. Reading science gives me as much (if not more) fulfillment than religion ever did.
If you've not heard it already, you might be interested in Lennox's talk " Seven days that divide the world." He argues persuasively that taking the creation story in Genesis seriously does not require a young earth creationist stance. I doubt it will change your mind on spirituality, but it's sometimes nice to see that the other side can have thoughtful stances on such things.
Great and Honest scientist.My respect.
Would Dr John C Lennox be interested in a discussion with Jordan Peterson? Could it be arranged?