Twitch Viewbots - What can we do?
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
- Cut to the Chase - Episode 2
Lately, Twitch.TV has been filled with loads of fake viewers (or bots) that boost channels to get them noticed and more followers. I talk about that, what Twitch is doing about it and a possible solution to this issue.
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I think after 6 years you would hope that Twitch would have a better system, but....
but here we are its worse now in my opinion
and it somehow got worse
You should look into the Faceit tf2 community right now. Its a huge problem
@@DJLeeFixesCars yep
Is there a way to find out the person who sent you view bots
You would think a segment called "Cut to the chase" would have an intro shorter than 20 seconds... cmon now...
Agreed.
@@GeekGamerTV to be honest the intro is nice
People who view bot are just new streamers trying to get noticed under the Sea of streams. see no problem with it. I've watched people who are fucking hilarious who have 7 viewers.
+ClassicTophatGaming Same, I've seen excellent streamers who bot. It's all part and parcel of trying to get noticed, it works and I KNOW people who have been partnered due to good use of bots.The balance is finding the right amount of bots just to tip you over the edge of getting noticed. not just flooding chat with 1000 bots at any time.
ClassicTophatGaming Boo HOO. I started in the bottom of the list now I built a whole community from the ground up
100% Agree
Cool. What's your Twitch page?
I know right!!!
I'm new myself
But I see the difference between the 2nd-5th highest viewer on the category
Then go to the guy with under 10 and their having the best fun and best times ever lol
Seriously you guys should check them out
Here's a GREAT solution for new streamers and new viewers!
I myself am new to twitch, both for streaming and viewing... I have no subscriptions and no idea who to follow. What if there was just something like "Twitch Surfing" kind of like chat roulette... It's a channel that randomly connects you to a random channel for 5 (maybe 10) minutes before jumping to the next random channel or until the view manually hits next...
I you like what you see you can go to the streamers channel manually via a link on Twitch Surf, and continue watching there.
This would be a great method of exposing streamers to new viewers, while simultaneously exposing new views to streamers.
Win/Win right?
Thats a really great idea.
Approved
@@Dam1XxX toxic
The thing is that there are not enough eyes out there to fill up with all the demand, so no matter how much exposure they would try you would have the same numbers of eyes but spread around more evenly, so I don't think that Twitch wants that :)))
that fkr commanderroot is ALWAYS in my channel even though i banned him. how do i get rid of those people?? there one other too
If I was twitch, I would divide all the streams into three categories on every game - Those with 0 - 100 viewers,
those with 101 - 1000 viewers and the last category for those with above 1000 viewers. That way it will be easier for people to be discovered and the ones who already are discovered have their own category.
keybladesarah Twitch already divides streams into games, so if there was a category for those with 50 - 100 viewers then there's not many streams in that same category. It's also way more efficient than the system that is now, where there's from 0 viewers at bottom that are helpless.
Also, if you have 50 viewers then you honestly got nothing to complain about lol. I'm lucky if I get 1 viewer when I stream.
commanderroot is on my stream he's a bot
Bro he’s in mine too right now and I saw his stream and he’s live and I got scared when I went in his stream which led me here lmfaooooo 🤣
Same here and anotherttvviewer
U have both
me ttoo lol
i banned him and got a ban appeal from him saying he just lurks.. no joke like wth?
So, it seems after all this time from the addition of this video, Twitch STILL haven't done anything to find a solution in almost 8 years!
So true - 8 years and 140 pounds later, still no answers or solutions. :(
Instead of Ads have small clips of other channels
I feel like a neat fix to this might be that twitch adds a filter, so if you like watching streams with fewer viewers then you could filter to say under 50 viewers or something along those lines
Twitch couldn't care less about the smaller channels, it's very sad since there are so many people who want to grow on there. Twitch can learn very easily from CZcams in just suggesting channels for people to check out (smaller ones not the top channels). That's how people get discovered on CZcams all the time.
Right. Then all the CZcams WHORES (like Pewdiepie) will be suggested and sponsored, and it'll get even harder for a smaller channel to become popular. Best thing to do? Allow ALL users to run Ads at set intervals or whenever they want to.
I beg to differ I think you tube is alot worst then twitch with showing smaller channels...
BuzzKill But twitch doesn't show smaller channels AT ALL.
Bloodyblade3 CZcams suggests videos all the time from not so popular channels. Twitch does no such thing...
+MoonLiteWolf i seem to get alotta more viewers on youtube than twitch at start but i dont wanna have streams saved
Give streamers the ability to remove those viewbots so we don't get banned from Twitch, might be a good idea.
how do you stop them as i got this in my 24hr stream as twitch need to do something about all bots
I think it just happened to my channel. But it was with followers...are there "follow bots"?? However, I'm not sure because of several variables. First, I was advertising a "200 follower giveaway", next I was playing a new game for my channel, and finally it was around 10:30am eastern, not my normal off hours stream time. I had about 14 viewers, bit I was getting about 3 follows a minute. After about 15 minutes I shut my channel down. I'm paranoid I guess. What do you think it?
So after 4 years, how has Twitch been handling the issues discussed in the video?
I think everyone has pretty much given up at this point. Go to twitch right now and look for V_and_K as a viewer in the first top 5 streams you look at.
6 years later 😬
I feel the same way. I stream bf4 aswell, but it is realy hard to get noticed. Sometimes I see a guy on the top directory of bf4 and they have no interaction in chat whatsoever.
wouldn't a human verification picture upon entering any channel (guests aswell as logged in) potentially solve the issue?
A simple solution would be to have an option for broadcasters to have a captcha of sorts requiring people to answer a question or put a puzzle together before speaking in the room. Also, if they fail to complete the puzzle in a certain amount of time like 2 mins they are kicked from the channel, further more, each time they fail to complete they get a note on their account, 20 or more failures in a certain amount of time and their account gets temporary blocked. To go even further, to get unblocked they will have to wait a week for the first offence, 2 weeks for second and 3rd is a perma ban. As always insta-ban for any account suspected of botting that has proof.
I would not worry so much about the little streamers trying to look big, the real problem is big streamers using view bots. Some of the biggest streamers on twitch use bot's on a regular basis.
i got hit with 500+ Fake followers, is there a way to remove the fake ones ?
Yo buddy I am a mod in a chat and he is getting attacked from chat bots they can even write if we have 30 months follower mode on it what can we do?
I am also a streamer and the way to solve the view bot is make people sign in to view you know how they use codes to protect sites from bots well that would be the perfect solution for the viewbots ?
I experienced this myself, however it effected me so badly that I get nothing but rejections for partnership. So I had to stop streaming and start over. Sadly not a single person tries to help you on twitch, they ask you to stop streaming or ignore the issue. Yet they still do nothing and keep rejecting me, I even lost viewers because of that issue... too much drama :( any advice?
unless ur a girl u get instant fame on twitch
+professor chubbs its the other way around, if u got big booobs, u get insta fame
how do you know if you have been viewbotted? Sometimes we will have between 70 - 120 odd folk watching our stream, it creeps up over time and then stays fairly static but we don't have an awful lot of people chatting so when people come in they ask us if we are view botting. Is that what happens, what does a streamer viewbotting look like?
it's very easy to notice viewbots by seeing the steamer has lots of viewers but no chat activity. those bots will likely have irregular names and have no profile set up. I have seen the many times and it pisses me off that people still get away with this and ruins other legit streamers opportunities because they fail at attracting attention
make a button for each game called Twitch roulette. Once you click that it will randomly bring you a stream (but the top 5).
Being a twitch streamer is a combination of gameplay, interaction with your watchers and personality. Much like the world of entertainment, not everyone is going to make it or be successful at it.. in fact, very few are really good at it.
And now with consoles having the ability to stream, it will continue to make it harder for the pros and peeps that are good at it, to rise above the fray. Great point Lady Miss 80s
How about ranking the channels by followers instead of view count?
can't you program bots to follow you as well?
+1 new cast spotlight, twitch needs people who are scouting for these potential high quality streams.
This video was pretty informative, unfortunately we wish there was a solution at the end of the video.
We were victims of viewbots today on stream. We have been streaming for 6 months and have 2400 followers. Today while streaming FIFA 15, someone came into our stream threatening us and demanded a ransom of FIFA Currency. We quickly banned the account thinking nothing of it. Minutes later a very similar user name said the same thing, we banned him too. Within seconds we got a barrage of followers, (at least 300) in seconds. We quickly ended the stream after knowing something was wrong. We filed a report with twitch, and within minutes our account was suspended. Even after breaking no rules, we cannot stream. Not to mention, contacting twitch is basically a joke. Other than one email address for filing complaints we have yet to speak to anyone that can help us.
View bots ruin this community. There is no positive side to them. If you have a good personality and good content, viewers will come. Nobody likes a phony.
I'm fine with view bots, I mean it's the fucking internet. full of fake people.
and the only people that negatively effected by it, are absolutely nobody.
Think about it, so you bring 500 people to your channel, they can easily leave if they don't like the content.
they can go back to pewdiepie or whatever it is they want. This in no way is a problem.
you shouldn't have told twitch, Soon as you said that I knew what they would do.
It isn't being a phony, look at these famous people, their entirely fake with alter egos.
C'mon..
the only people that hate view bots are the people that lack content, personality, and skill.
and don't want to share the millions of dollars they've made playing video games, while living in their parents basements. that have literally not put in a single days worth of hard work.
geuss what.. fuck those people
twitch - wizardofshame
no viewbots yet, looking forward to em.
hey thanks for making this video!!
Thank you for watching in 2020!
cant they just check if the connection is through a proxy?
How can you get this bots off your streams
I literally just got bots following me like wtf
own3d and anotherttvviewer are bots, how can i fix this
I just saw you streaming. Nice quality.
But when you use wise bot it counts as a view in your stream
how do u used twitch im new to it
Honestly, streaming is boring when theres no viewers at all, I constantly need to talk... But to literally no one
I like (and support) the idea of featured new streamers. I'd be interested to see the number of new streamers daily/weekly/monthly though. If they went by the number of new subscribers then it would remain an issue. Paid "boosts" for a stream sounds like a good idea. Maybe place them in a queue and have each one get a 10 minute feature in a group of say five streamers.
so i have a question 2 times now i have it happend a dick viewbots my channel spams the chat and then leaves
this guy doesnt stay long tho just like 10 min for 2x.
but im worried that if someones viewbotting me does twitch ban me for it ? becaus i dont want my hard work i did sofar be for nothing
Currently feel like i am being hit follow bots. People who follow are sometimes not in chat. I think a new or low streamer on the front page occasionally will help, but i don't think it will remove the problem.
im new streamer but keep getting bot botted fixing to go on my backup account see if that will help me ..
This video is two years old, and this problem is still running rampant. I find Twitch's lack of action highly disconcerting, and quite infuriating. I was attacked for the first time today, and I am trusting less and less in Twitch's services to allow me to entertain and flourish in my artwork. This lackadaisical approach to fixing the problem is laughable, and quite disgusting. It should not be tolerated.
I'm certain my channel got hit up by someone else's view bot tonight, because all of a sudden my Ultimate Twitch Bot (mod bot) overlay was getting spammed with just over 100 new follower notifications... and I had just under 90 before that, so it more than doubled...
I DID NOT ask for this and the sound of the notification was getting really annoying when going off *constantly*... I'm looking to see where to report this to twitch, but I honestly can't find where to report it that I got hit by a viewbot that I didn't want or ask for...
Twitch could require CAPTCHA or something similar for viewing a Twitch stream, but that would add friction to the viewing process and would dramatically decrease the likelihood of someone "stumbling" onto your stream. Maybe if they added a CAPTCHA option that you can quickly enable/disable on demand.,,or a method of enabling CAPTCHA automatically when suspicious activity is detected. I don't know. Interesting video Chase. Thanks for posting! Definitely food for thought. I think this is a problem that requires innovation from Twitch.
Just realized Agent29416 gave the exact same solution. :p
I think this happened to me last night when my viewers went from 15 to 60 views :/ I did ban someone so i wonder if that was the cause
i got view botted how do i stop it
Since they dont count as a viewer, twitch system may recognise its a bot. Big question is why dont they remove them completly?
He does have some point. I am starting to stream and I realize that it is VERY hard to get noticed
So this made me very very aggravated last night because I was streaming as normal and then someone viewboted me.... me being me I had no Idea what to do... My wifi cut out and I then I felt bad and thought it would be over so I went back to streaming again... all the viewbots were gone I believe for the most part then like 5 minutes later they came back and I just ended it. I got a call from twitch saying I was going to be perma banned (I didnt answer or talk on the phone) and this morning I woke up and Im not banned Im really confused right now as to wht happened but now I can't stream anymore which does make me sad
I think this happened to me but with view bot do you get followers as well or is it just views that go up??
Just the view count.
BeeCreativeStudios You can also do fake subscribers too. Nick Chim . Its stupid. Twitch doesn't have good security measures, anyone using a fake email website with inbox, can make tons and tons of accounts without needing to verrify, and use the same proxies for the viewers, and just spam the blank subscribe accounts.
I was streaming today and I got FLOODED with like 30 fake followers. It made my Follower Notification go off a whole bunch. I looked at their profiles and they look fake, I didn't even do it. It may be a new way for people to spam channels with less popularity.
@Geekgamer.TV so If I'm being view botted for someone to try to get my account disabled, will I actually get in trouble? I experienced this earlier today, and emailed twitch support email.
You did exactly what you should. As I said in my video, if you are not the one botting and someone is botting YOU, you should not be blamed by Twitch
+GeekGamer.TV m8 I was just playing csgo against someone and they got really mad. Although at the time I assumed he just wanted to add me to play together, next thing I know he sends me a message saying I was about to get a lot of viewers... I was very suspicious because after a few minutes I started to realize that the chat was just talking about random shit, and after realizing this I banned the guy off my friends list on steam and banned him from my chat. I had 18 legitimate followers and spike to a 120 and I worked really hard to get those people to follow me and now ive got 220 unique channel views and 120 followers. Please help me out.
@Twitch.tv/Csgokilla
+Dillon Hearn After 5 minutes of having my stream turned off I just bumped to 132 and its obvious this kid is out for revenge over his loss in the comp game we played.
+Dillon Hearn I went from 4 Viewers to 508 in a matter of secods. It was the scummiest feeling ever.
I would also like to say even I go in twitch I normaly check the channals I follow any than go to the bottom of the loot to watch small channals
Im being possibly targetted at one (Although they exit when i stream, they just enter the raids) Idk how to get rid of them, tbh... But they arent really a problem, its not a bot that talks at all, i dont even know if it follows
i agree, i get about 5-10 watchers but i think in time low viewed streams will get noticed if they stick to interacting with viewers and advertise. but good idea about the paying to get more views through twitch
Twitch should only allow one account per IP Address with a limit as to how often you can cancel an account. How to block someone who is changing IP address as well is beyond me.
Yeah I feel the pain me myself as a low follower and low view streamer and have thought about using view bot programs. But it's really not worth it if nobody is in the chat talking... pretty obvious what is going on.
Are thiccur and lurxx bots?
the highest viewbot i saw was 300k viewers on thebajancanadian it was insane that guy must have had a shit ton of proxies
I do it my self will I get banned
i know this is a realy late reaction but i just started streaming 9days ago and someone told me about viewbots so i did some research and came to this vidd now i know its a bad thing im not gonna search any furter but yes i do have 4 viewers great chat acturly and sometimes ppl join and talk with us its great realy love it and everyone has to start somewhere
I have only started twitch and I did a stream and it was only me watching it
Do you still stream?
I streamed from two different accounts and only managed too get 7 at max viewers at once part prolly bc I’m a introvert and only started streaming for myself too enjoy memories I may have forgot or and too better myself at the games I love but I’m really good at the games I love some I believe I’m close too pro level others I’m above average but I’m not bad at almost any game I’ve played
A solution to bring unseen streamers to the light, would be to "add more filters", and friendly filters easy fast and simple to apply. That way people could find a lot of different streams based on things like city, time streaming, age, games, stable schedule etc etc..
Listen guys view botting is not needed, if you target the right niche audience from various networks you will get them soon enough. TIPS: 1. Search Twitter add the people that have the same niche as you do. 2. When running stream set it so that your previous casts show so if anyone does stumble on you, they can watch any one of them. 3. Export your casts to CZcams, this will get more views and will help build your audience. 4. Always link your networks in the videos, you need to brand your name, you need to be active and consistent and not give up. 5. Tell everyone and anyone what you do, word of mouth plays a big part don't be afraid to tell people your a streamer. I'm new in this business myself and i'm doing research on it so i know not to go wrong. That's why i found out about xanbot, nightbot, moobot, and viewbot and i found out what viewbot does, and for me I will never use it. I will get viewers in time the legit way, everything starts small and becomes bigger just remember that!
I'm just going to put hard work into streaming to get up the ranks
Solution, Remove view counts and randomize the casters within the categories. The good steams will grow through normal means word of mouth etc.
How do you remove view counts?
Hat meine Frage überhaupt nicht beantwortet ;(
I like how you said “let’s cut to the chase” then u have a 10 second countdown. What in tf lol
Yeah....it's a little long... :)
its 2021 and nothing has been done. But content rules. I get discovered on twitch playing Apex an over streamed Esports title.
There should be a tab when looking for new streamers under games. Like a new "streamer tab" for people who have less then say 100 viewers, as a low traffic streamer sometimes it doesn't fell worth it to stream for say 5hrs and get no one or very little people show up.
this happened the other day to me I usually have 10-20 viewers and I had 60 all of a sudden I didn't know what it was so I ignored it but 10 min later I went back to normal viewers of about 13 at the time what should I do next time
Very simple way to stop this. Twitch requires you to register to even view a stream. Every visit requires a login - at logon you require the user to verify / enter a captcha. Problem solved.
tu sabes que existem botes que passam por isso
for example to create account on league of legends you have to get the characters as the image to sign up there and several boats that pass so easily
Well, I do hope you realize that most advanced bots are actually not logging in at the site itself? They directly connect to the main servers with the fake accounts hiding behind a proxy. Easy to prevent however and its kind of funny how Twitch already prevents you from hiding behind a proxy when you visit the site, but doesn't bother when you do it on their main servers.
aXBlackDeathXa or, you could just have them enter a captcha, since that alone carves out a good 70% of the bots, lol
Just make a TwitchRoullete.
Every 5-10min feature new and older channels. Channel that have under 100 viewers, legitly, and make them get noticed. Easy
This is what mixer did
Twitch should have an option where new streamers are at the top of the channel page to start with... Then there should be a drop down menu or a few buttons to select the following " New Streamers " Most Popular ".. New streamers videos should be placed at the top of the channel list... then given people the option to choose to see most popular streamers
2 years later, can we get a follow up? what info have you learned? what has been done? what can WE DO? i just received 800+ follows in 1 night when my channel only has 500 total views.
Isn't there a way to make "counter" script to detect and deny the viewbot scrips? I know not all viewbots are used by scrips. But the once that are giving the most views are def using a script. And they need to be stopped.
I see 3 viewers aten, commander root and another twitch viewer.
I got viewbotted and I took my channel off the game directory, that way I could still stream with the community but not attract anyone new
Its sad to see that view bots are back. I remember when Twitch first started that everyone was view botting. Twitch really doesn't care about smaller channels and they never have.
Like you've mentioned, there's really not much hopes of solving this because it's either shutting down innocent channels or actually catching the culprit red handed. The probability is really at a high stake of accusing the people botting and the channel that is botted. There's not much of a solution I can think to solve this other than just deal with this in the mean time.
vid could use an update. years into the problem now.
I love this type of video. First off you are very humble for taking your stream offline and not just accepting the views to boost yourself. I have strayed away from streaming for a long time because I know the new streamers are buried in the directory by the thousands of others. I just gave in and started streaming, for 2 days now, and I have streamed for atleast 14 hours in those 2 days and I have 1 follower and 35 views. I get that, but still I would NEVER viewbot because I want to be known by what kind of streamer I am, not how many views I have. I think twitch should do what you explained with the NEW STREAMER SPOTLIGHT. This could be like a hour or so time that a few new streamers become spotlighted. Then after that hour or so few new streamers show up. In all honestly though, a lot of these big streamers got big because they were youtubers or come from HUGE gaming communities, and I would recommend if you can to find a good community and promote yourself as a new streamer in their community it will draw them to want to be a part of it. Yea, I know I'm low time right now but I still have fun. I am crazeeglue on twitch and I support this message.
I dont know why but 2 bots are watching my stream
Ditto to that, I like the idea of some how promoting the newer channels or even paying a small fee to get actual viewers from twitch. I'm new to streaming on twitch and when I first heard about few bots I thought it was kind of a good idea until I read all about people getting 300 or 400 viewers. I can understand being frustrated with not getting any viewers, it is definitely hard to push yourself to continue to stream when youre hardly getting any viewers week after week
When I was viewbotted, it was done by a guy who honestly thought he was "helping" me by boosting my views without me ever asking for it. Once I found out, I immediately notified twitch support (they gave him a very swift ban... luckily he also streamed himself setting up the viewbot program, so it was an open shut case) , and I also addressed it on stream (and highlighted it) so my viewers knew what happened.
As far as preventing it... there really isn't much we, as streamers, can do. So long as our communities and twitch knows that we don't use nor endorse the use of viewbots, we're fine.
If twitch were to implement a way for smaller streamers to get noticed.. that'd help against the "Pay for views" services. However, it wouldn't stop trolls from hitting random/targeted channels with ill-will. That is something twitch itself needs to fight internally.
Host mode is a good start!
Host mode is a terrible feature when it comes to preventing viewbotting. When Twitch first implemented this feature, nobody could even see they were being hosted while your viewer count would go up because of it. Streamers that bot their channel used this as an excuse for the sudden raise in viewers. Recently Twitch made being hosted visible to the broadcaster ONLY. This feature is only making things more shady as it already is. Besides, it allows for new ways to increase viewers using bots, it does not help at all. Consider this: Host a channel that has 1000 fake viewers through bot(s), what will happen? Even hosting channels with inactive viewers (so called lurkers that just have a channel open to be counted) ... Twitch is basically adding a new 'grey' area, making things more shady. They should spend their money on security instead of new features!
I think Twitch should perma-ban the IP addresses of the people responsible for these intrusive bots. Eliminate them forever!
I kind of understand a view botters perspective, there is a bad chance of getting noticed.
I have dat problem too, I litteraly get 1.7k followers in 1 stream
I personally think they need to make a special category for "top streamers" There's no reason for them to even be in the channel to be honest. Then that gives all of us low-mid range streamers a chance to get new viewers. They also need to break it down by age range, and gender. Girls instantly get more veiwers than guys when starting out. It's not impossible to get viewers you just got to find the right game.
this issue makes me mad because i am one of those smaller streamers. i started like a month ago and i only have 90 followers. i worked really hard to get those followers, so it makes me mad that people who are even smaller than me can get bigger in just a day from view bots.
I'd just announce it to the viewers and continue, nothing will stop a stream!
sadly this happens to me, I mean at first when I didn't know I was really happy but then I soon realized that someone was view botting me :\. I do have a bout 40+ real viewers.
How can bots be verified commanderroot twitch tf
captcha befor viewing maybe that will work
Oh I see thank you for helping define View Bot or Fake Bot.
Sponsor channels like they do for youtube it works not a lot of people like it but twitch streamers want to get out there for all the hard work they do that's why some view bot
It is hard to stream specially getting less then 10 views. Twitch should do something for newer streamer to get notice for sure. And for viewbotting is such a bad move for people want it to be rank up fast. It's better to work hard and get that views without any cheats.