Beth & Mr Shaibel’s Story: An Unlikely Friendship | The Queen’s Gambit
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- “Now or never.” Mr. Shaibel (Bill Camp) is the janitor at the orphanage Beth Harmon (Anya Taylor-Joy) grows up in. He introduces her to the game of chess and opens new doors for the young prodigy. Their story - and the unlikely bond between them - is one of the most moving parts of the new powerful drama, The Queen’s Gambit. ⚠️ Warning: Spoilers! ⚠️
When winning takes everything, what are you left with? It's the show everyone's obsessed with: The Queen’s Gambit follows a young chess sensation’s rise from an orphanage to the world stage. But genius comes with a cost. A riveting adaptation of Walter Tevis’ groundbreaking novel is streaming on Netflix now, starring Anya Taylor-Joy, Bill Camp, Thomas Brodie-Sangster, Harry Melling and Marcin Dorociński.
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In a 1950s orphanage, a young girl reveals an astonishing talent for chess and begins an unlikely journey to stardom while grappling with addiction. - Zábava
During the funeral: " I owe him $10"
At the basement : Beth realizing "I owe him everything"
Well she better remember to return Jolene the $3000 now that she won the world championship.
@@KeoNz *the Moscow Invitational. that wasnt the world championship
@@KeoNz we gonna need proof
At the basement in more ways than just the physical basement of the school
@Amber’s ALERT’s yeahh,, she ddnt even visit Mr. Shaibel 😢😢😢 she ddnt even know how proud Mr. Shaibel is😞😞until she visited the basement.. It makes me cry😭
Although it’s a shame she never visited him, I think it’s that regret that pushed Beth to get her shit together again
truly. as much as it hurts us to see it, that moment was really necessary for her to have that final character development arc
She probably thought he didn’t care about that much because he was never a part of her life after she left. When you work at a place like that it’s a reality of the job. Kids look to you for a family and mentorship bond that you can’t maintain when they leave. It’s a blessing and a curse. You have many sons and daughters when you work at a place like that. Some bond with and rely on you more than others.
@@ToddAtkinsShow he did care enough to give her 10 dollars tho haha
@@justmeagain9302 because he knew, she'll succeed. She's got talent and he supported her for that
And the fact that she was using her childhood friend’s law school money too.
It's sad knowing Mr. Shaibel probably replayed some of Beth's games alone on his board.
this comment made my eyes sweaty 😭
Ow!
you have no business making me cry at 12 am please 😭
Season 2 isn't needed (for me) because it's satisfying as it is, but maybe they could do special eps about Mr. Shaibel?? After Beth left, I wanna see him badly 😭
Well, here come the tears.
the fact that he literally hang every achievement beth had, will always broke me. he was so proud of her. he didn't even care about the $10. he was just happy that she made it.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I can't say any words
I think Beth only asked him $5 and he gave her 10 instead.
@@sheldoncooper7643 beth asked for 5
and when she won she would give him 10
Yup, her only letter to him was at the center.... she could have written to him more but children are like that, selfish. An important lesson for growing up.
Anyone who teaches chess revels in the thought of their pupil becoming better than them. It is the ultimate praise of their own game. By the time she was adopted, Beth had reached the point that she could tie up Mr. Shaibel in 10 or 15 moves. He knew where she was headed if she found her way into organized chess. And having witnessed the workings of her mind and her ability to see the chessboard, he no doubt knew she was headed to the very top. I like to imagine his remaining family reading his name in Time Magazine and possibly learning about his relationship with Beth for the very first time.
Her adoptive mom tells her once that she should start making a scrapbook of her achievements but never did. And Mr. shaibel really made it . 🥲
❤
Damn, didn't noticed that.
Great pick up
yessss this shit made it hit so hard
You mean...Step Mom😏
Dead people receive more flowers than living ones because regret is stronger than gratitude - Anne Frank
No it’s because the act of giving someone else flowers is only a common thing when they are dead, if you ask any person for a gift for a friend, the first thing that comes to their mind wouldn’t be flowers
@@xirenzhang9126 you DESTROYED the OP with FACTS and LOGIC
@@xirenzhang9126 i don't think when Anne said "flowers" she meant it literally.. it was more of a metaphor.. Her point still stands, regret is stronger to most people.
@@xirenzhang9126 Bruhh
@@xirenzhang9126 flowers isn’t literal it’s a figure of speech
I like the fact that anytime Beth plays on the ceiling, it's with Shaibel's set.
Edit: 10k likes, 50 comments, 1 Netflix like. It feels like a good round number to edit this comment on. Sorry for breaking the heart of some people that weren't aware of this detail.
That's a detail that I really loved and appreciated.
wow i didint know that
Aww
*Oh my God I just realized that!! I love that*
And now I'm crying because of a chess set.
The scene where beth found the pictures after his death always makes me cry ngl
It had the same effect on me when I read it in the book nearly 30 years ago.
"...the entire partition was covered with photographs and clippings and covers from Chess Review, each of them neatly taped to the wood and covered with clear plastic to keep it clean and free of dust-the only thing in this dingy basement that was. They were pictures of her. There were printed games from Chess Review, and newspaper pieces from the Lexington Herald-Leader and the New York Times and from some magazines in German."
@@Holdit66 I also read the book years ago, I cried in the movie before she saw the clippings... I knew what was coming.
That's the best scene in my opinion
@@Holdit66 30 years? How old are you Mr/Mrs?
@@aditiyep Old enough to have read it 30 years ago. ;-) (Mr)
It's the only time when cried. She didn't even cried when her own or adopted mother died. Sometimes the unspoken words are the one that struck the hardest.
Actually she cried on the plane on latter part of ep.4 she's offering a toast on the sit beside her which i believe it's for her adoptive mother died.
She cried on the plane, and then spiraled into being a drunk. She took it pretty hard too.
She also cried the second time she lost to Borgov.
@@princessdianacompe2543 and she pretend that her adopted mother mother was there Wich is heartbreaking for me
She also cried when she got back home and just put her head on the couch.
Mr. Shaibel never expected anything in return from Beth. This was unconditional love. Glad that Beth realized that there was someone, like a parental figure, who was really proud of her.
Exactly. That's what makes it heartbreaking for her too. And motivating
I tend to agree. I see Mr. Shaible as the kind of man with such a simple and uneventful existence, that knowing he was THE ONE who taught chess to that one genius was probably the highlight of his life. I don't think he expected to be loved nor do I think he would have known how to respond if she had ever shown him how much he meant to her.
Perhaps, he would have enjoyed to have been given some recognition for having been his teacher and mentor. But I don't believe he died expecting it. He was able to imagine a different life through her journey and her accomplishments, and that was probably enough for a man like him.
Yeah exactly... that's truly unconditional love... it's so heartbreaking 😭😭😭
@@josepablobolanos Very well described, I think you're completely right !!!
Sometimes you give to another person - expecting nothing in return - because a wee voice in your head says it's the right thing to do, even if it makes no kind of sense in any rational context. I know, I've done it. And I'm certain the money did far more good where it ended up than it would have done sitting in my account.
I cried so hard when she finds out he’d been silently keeping track of her life
The waterworks really ran for me
As did Beth, when she broke down in Jolene's car. But Beth's tears were of regret. Yes, Beth should have visited Mr. Shaibel previously and thanked him and repaid him, and she knew it. She knows she screwed up. But I'm glad the show didn't have her do that. It's more realistic this way and makes her seeing the Wall of Beth so much more powerful. She had no idea he was so proud of her.
I felt the exact same, but mostly, I think I just did not expect it, making this even more powerful. The way the camera slowly focused on the board is absolute genius. When you get hit by this realization of how much he cared for her, and that she never got to say goodbye... 😭😭
@@moeball740 Yeah, that's how people are. They tend to not appreciate what others do for them until it's too late. I don't think it's a big deal that she never paid him back, but a visit would have been nice given that he taught her the game.
We all did
It didn't feel like "Mr. Scheibel" died for her, it felt like her father died.
Yep...her "ACTUAL" father not that coward that ran away for me her and his wife
@@donovanmartin7946 what?
Shaibel: He might've been your father but he wasn't your daddy
@@GERZM no,he actually leaves her mother,because he doesnt want beth
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I feel so bad for him ,I can not imagine how alone he must have felt when Beth left, and the fact that she never came to visit him must have broke his heart.
I don't think so. He wasn't a touchy-feely kind of guy. I think he took great joy in her successes.
There was sadness, yes. But more than that, he was proud of her.
@@Holdit66 i believe too that he was really proud of her success , but that doesn’t mean that he didn’t miss her and sometimes the people who seem more distant feel the most.
@@rossaliestone8522 the last scene with Young Beth and Mr Shaibel together was an interesting composition.
Him ignoring and snubbing her request to teach her more chess while him on his "on his high horse" attitude I guess advised to ignore her pleas while on ladder changing a lightbulb.
When Beth leaves the scene the replaced light bulb shines on Mr Shaibel's face while on the ladder. illuminating his face a sign that in the near future his life will be transitioning into the spiritual world soon?
While Beth departs his world to a new life. the Orphanage Director "falls from grace" i guess from the stairs with a hip injured as Karma for forbidding Mr Shiabel to continue teaching Beth chess.
Me too but that was the point . We never realise what means so much to us until it's gone. A human flaw .
In 2020, that $10 is equal to almost $200. That's an investment he made, and he saw her potential.
He gave her 5$, not 10$. But yes you’re right
@@redr0sid210 yes, but she owed him 10
Actually, the 1965 --> 2020 inflationary adjustment would put the $5 at about 41.31 today. All the same, I agree, there was no way he refuse her request.
Yeah I think he knew about the neftlix series about her...
The inflation doesnt matter, it was the best investment he ever made!
Imagine the pride and joy that mr Shaibel must have felt, reading about her in the papers, and magazins, hearing her name on the radio, and even seeing her on the tv... Every time he pinned another article on that board.
Tháts something money cant buy :)
that 5 dollars that he gave started her whole career.
10$
@@feonasang1367 he gave her five. She had to return 10 if she won any prize.
That’s kinda the whole point.
And gave him a life.
How I wish Mr. Shaibel saw her became World Champion before he died.
He probably knew it was inevitable
I dont think she became champion, it was just an exhibition. Real world championship match is best of 24.
@@redshark618 and also she would be 21 when that happens because she was 19 when she beat borgov based in the book
@@redshark618 she wasn’t technically world champion but she was the best in the world
(SPOILERS) Everyone says she was ungrateful and should have gone back sooner.
I think you're wrong, hear me out:
How would Beth know how much she meant to him?
Beth's own mother tried to kill her and herself by speeding into another car, the man who adopted her abandoned her immediately and her adoptive mother probably reminded her of her own mother the way she was unpredictable and would retreat into her own issues, not to mention a big part of her adoptive mother's support of her chess playing was because of the money, experiences and security it brought them. They all taught Beth she was a burden (unless providing money).
When that is how your parents act why would you expect the stoic man who you asked to teach you chess to care more about you than any of your actual parents? Especially as a kid, she had no way to know and no concrete reason to believe he cared about her. Given her experience, she probably thought that forgetting to pay him back would just solidify her status to him as a burden. She obviously cared about him; in her first interview Beth wanted to talk about Mr. Shaibel.
I think the fact that she never knew how much he cared is what makes this scene so heartbreaking and amazing. In the same moment she finds out the man who was probably the biggest influence on her life actually cared way more about her than she ever could have dared to hope, she finds out she already lost him. That is why she didn't feel that way until she saw the wall. She had no idea a parental figure could truly love her and be proud of her until she saw the proof. It seems like in this moment she was finally able to feel and process all of the loss she had experienced in her life.
First! But srsly tho I think what u say is right. He was to her a stoic coach and the way he acted like she wasn't welcome in his life probably also made her think it better not to approach him most of the time. It was beautiful seeing how much she meant to him enough that he would decorate his wall with clippings of her. Especially after she left his funeral like leaving the funeral of a stranger. She thought she never meant anything much to him until she saw that picture, and the mortified expression on her face was a truly great scene.
yeah sure. You can find a justification to why was she ungrateful which makes us empathize with her more but she was still ungrateful. You can have ignorance or a good intention behind a wrongdoing and still be a wrongdoing.
@@paulgotik sure you could say she is ungrateful for the $10 he gave her. My argument is that she didn't know that he cared so much about her beyond the $10. The reason everyone in the comments I read was upset that she never payed him back or went back is not just because of the money but because of how proud and happy he was for her, but I'm saying she had no way to know he felt that way. That's why at the funeral she says "I feel bad, I owed him $10" not "I feel bad, I should have come back sooner."
@@hannahmixter6423 the amount of money that someone gives you doesn't correlate to the how much that person likes you. By him giving her money showed that he believed in her potential something no one has ever done before and she kinda ingored it.
@@paulgotik She knew that he knew she was good enough to win. So he could have given her the money just knowing he would get some back. Yeah she should have showed more gratitude for the money and support. But she didn't know it was anything more than that.
A Pawn usually takes seven squares (episodes) to become a queen. The death of Sheibel in the last and seventh episode was the moment when the Pawn was exchanged for the Queen. As per definition: a Pawn is a person used by others for their own purposes. The death of Sheibel was this psychic transformation to relieve Harmon from drug addiction, put the past behind her and become a Queen. When Harmon dresses like a white queen in Russia, she no longer needs drugs to see the chess pieces moving on the ceiling when she plays Borgov. On her way to the airport, it is reaffirmed that she is no longer a Pawn and will not become one again for the American government, she exits the car and mingles with her subjects.
They’re just pieces
Wtf, I don pay attention on titles but now I already knew why it has 7 episodes.. Thanks man.
Actually, it takes a pawn five or six moves to reach the opposite site, depending on the first move being one or two fields. 🤓
@@axelgrobe1186 Beth becomes a pawn the moment her mother dies and she is placed in the orphanage. When does a pawn become a pawn? I would suggest it starts when it is placed in the square.
@@robertweaver986 I am completely with you about the interpretation that Beth starts out as a pawn and ends up being transformed into a queen. However, I do disagree with you about this being the reason why the series is structured into seven episodes, that seems to be a case of Apophenia to me. Already in the middle of the second episode Beth clearly isn't acting like a pawn any longer, consciously busting trough a group of Apple Pis in the school corridor and demanding to be put into the open group at the Kentucky state championship. Also she confronted her adoptive father and refuses to act as a propaganda device for the Christian Crusade people long before Mr. Shaibel passed away. Beth only emerges as queen after she was finally able to beat Borgov, the only player she actually ever was afraid of and who already had defeated her humiliatingly twice before.
Isla Johnston, the young 13-year-old girl who plays young Beth , deserves more credits, She is awesome actress !!
She’s 13? I was like that a tall 9 year old but also older Beth is pretty tall too for a woman in America. Also how long ago did they actually film the show she could of been younger same with the actor for older Beth
@@coderainbow2581 the actress who Plays Beth isnt american shes argentinian-british maybe thats why she doesnt look like an "american woman"
@@sebastyann123 i never said she looked like an American woman the average height for an American woman which is were the show takes place in America is 5'4 (162.56 cm
) and she is 5'7 (170.18 cm)
@@coderainbow2581 and i never said that you say so I just mention that she isn't American
@@sebastyann123 she was actually born in America lol
Mr. Shaibel is my favorite character. I think he is underrated and deeply loving.
just like a pawn sacrifice.
Queen's gambit inspired me to play chess
I loved how he does not try to answer her questions-- he just says "play". And he obviously forgave her for the expletive she used (and did not understand at the time-- quite amusing.)
Shaibel was the reason this show made.
There is nothing underrated about this Character
Shaibel saved Beth’s life twice. She saved her finding her passion, and then saved her again by guiding her back to that passion.
underrated comment
I love how Mr Shaibel plays white against her in her first game, and in her final game she also plays white against the Russian chess master. Also, the head-to-toe white outfit she wears in the last scene really exemplifies her becoming the white queen. Not sure if it has any significance, but kinda feels like everything comes full circle.
Nice catch! Never picked up on the significance of her outfit in the final scene.
Yes love the observation!
It is...7 episodes, 7 tiles for a pawn to promote
@@BunnyChamberX I do notice this too although kind of different way, since the original series was supposed to be 6 episodes, and a pawn requires 6 moves to be promoted to a Queen.
@@Playmaker6174 -It needs five moves. First can advance two squares. I think you’re reading a little too much into things.
The young Beth actress is as talented as Anya Taylor-Joy.
@Guybrush Threepweed That reaction is adorable, lol. I really wished she kept it, as a memory.
Her stealing the meds is my favorite
Matilda
I agree, she was superb
I love young Beth more
"People like you have a hard time. Two sides of the same coin. You've got your gift and you've got what it costs” - Mr. Shaibel
Great line.
I almost died of dehydration after watching this episode.
I was ugly crying
I dont have the habit of crying in shows or movies, but in the minute i saw all the chess photos and documents on shaibel's basement, the tears were inevitable, the scene really made us feel like conecting beth feelings, being directly hitted by the burden and regrets that she felt by not being thankfull enough to shaibel until that moment
Took me a sec to get this but made me laugh and feel sad at the same time 😂
I still cried now, been on-off crying for like two hours
Same
so sad that we treat janitors and people with poor professions like they don't even exist or have value. beth, an innocent and humble child, was able to see value in Mr. Shaibel and for that she gained everything.
This....
But I hated the fact the way she said him a ‘cock sucker’
‘Poor profession’ doesn’t sound ryt. 😇
@@It.is.snehal she was a child
@@It.is.snehal She even didn't know the meaning.
Did you watch the whole episode?
wow. i just realized his first words to her were "what are you doing here, you should be in chapel". ms. deardorff said "what are you doing here, you should be in church" when beth went back to the orphanage for mr shaibel's funeral.
I always thought something is special with Deardorff's line, didnt realize this was it. Thank you for pointing that out
She said chapel not church but yeah they almost said the same thing.
@@tinyeung3468 same
Harmon put her hand on Mr Shaibel's shoulder, because she felt comfortable around him. For being the one who taught her to play chess. The appreciation. I'm not crying.
Also taking time to spend it with her. Such a sweet story
I just realised, Mr Shaibel's "Now or never" is exactly what Beth said to Harry Beltik after he made a move on her in the backyard.
Wait its also what beth dad said to beth mom when they where arguing outside the roulotte
I think in the final scene, Beth’s walk in the park takes her back to her chess beginnings when she meets all the Mr. scheibels’ of Russia as her way of honouring him as her initial chess mentor.
I was just thinking the same.
This is deep
I think I finally figured out the meaning
Rather than being with loved ones, join with old man playing chess
It’s about returning to the simplicity and fun of chess and not about winning anymore. Like the days in the basement
Yes. One of the most powerful and even emotional endings
The moment Beth admitted she still owed him that 10 dollars I began to tear up.
I began to laugh.
@@yesman9363 Ok?
@@yesman9363 cringe
Fo me it was seeing the bulletin board filled with her accomplishments. Realizing how proud he was of her and her biggest fan and mentor.
Beth never cried before because she has learned to contain her emotions due to the multiple experiences of abandonment in her past. Her very mother taught her to never depend on anyone because she will be all alone some day. Even as an adult when she felt heartbroken by her unrequited love with Townes, she tried to numb her emotions again with alcohol in the hotel room. She has taught herself to “not feel” to prevent herself from getting hurt by those who do not love her back. For Mr. Shaibel she cries because he is the first person who led her to realize that she’s not truly as alone as she thought. After that you can see her express a wider range of emotions (I.e. running up and hugging Townes, telling Harry Beltik it was wonderful to hear his voice). The arc of the series is that Beth realIzes she isn’t truly alone, and that she doesn’t have to be afraid of loving others because others will love her back too.
Amazing comment
Very astute interpretation
wow. thank u for this.
underrated comment
Unfortunately, she never meet him after getting successl. She mentioned him in interviews. But, no one published that.
The journalist in the last episode promised Elizabeth Harmon to put Mr. William Shaibel's name in the paper.
@@lloydvicedo1340 yes but he was dead already :(
@@lloydvicedo1340 Yes! Its a very nice remembrance of the Orphanage's underappreciated Janitor: Nobody from the Orphanage was at his funeral, where he had worked there for 25+ years? Very disrespectful. Its a giant F*CK YOU! to that mrs Deardorff.
Perhaps people would come and visit the Orphanage, and ask about William Shaibel, and 'poor old' mrs Deardorf would be but a figurehead, giving tours, instead of the person of importance! You can imagine the guilt, Beth put on Deardorff with that publication!
@@thegreenreaper6660 If she was published in Chess Review, you can bet your bottom dollar she mentioned him!
I believe someone published that. In ep 6 while Beth was really a drinking addict. She once spilled food in an article and it was written there that "Beth played with the orphan janitor". At least it's confirmed that someone actually mention him as "janitor". So I choose to believe that there is an article that actually mention mr shaibel as "coach" or "mr shaibel" in the news
i cried so hard the scene beth found out that mr. shaibel kept his photo with her. like lemony snicket once wrote, ‘It is a curious thing, the death of a loved one. We all know that our time in this world is limited, and that eventually all of us will end up underneath some sheet, never to wake up. And yet it is always a surprise when it happens to someone we know. It is like walking up the stairs to your bedroom in the dark, and thinking there is one more stair than there is. Your foot falls down, through the air, and there is a sickly moment of dark surprise as you try and readjust the way you thought of things.’
without mr. shaibel, beth wouldn’t have been one of the greatest chess players. but she never visited him, never even paid $10 she owed him, but he still kept newspapers about her (even kept her letter), still remembered her, she was like someone he was most proud of.
in the series, beth had never cried so hard, even when alma died. partly bc she had a downward spiral, but mostly bc she realized how she wouldn’t have been who she was without mr. shaibel, and how ungrateful she was to the man that coached her and taught her well. she took it all for granted.
beth mentioned him the second time in an interview and made sure that it was gonna be printed. of course, it wasn’t enough & she should’ve visited him when he was alive, but it was the least she could do then.
😭
He loved her.
U are an emotional fool
@@sachitagarwal8940 ur just an emotionless bitch 😔
@@ltqteehee dont lose ur calm ... People r stupid anyway .... U r empathetic soul
@@hrishikesh3886 ye :3 thanks
I think it's missing the last press conference from the last episode, when she asks the media to print her story with Mr Shaibel. Eventhough he is not here anymore, she finds a way to acknowledge him, and what he did for her. That is the true resolution of their relationship.
She did mention Mr. Shaibel in her first interview but they didn't print it and she noted that in the show.
In episode 6, when she’s drunk and spills food into a magazine, you can read that something like, “Beth Harmon started playing chess in the basement of her orphanage with the janitor”. I think she always honored him by mentioning him in interviews, but she can’t control what the media prints out.
@@jeduthunzia9019 I went back and read that. The article also says she collected all her own savings to enter that first tournament.
What broke her heart was the fact she assumed he had simply forgot her when he never did.
He was like a father she never had.
My grandfather had a neighbor right across his apartment that he knew for probably around 20 years at the time I was around 7 years old. He taught me how to play chess similarly to how Shaibel taught Beth. He was ruthless, he treated me like an adult and never let me win. It's how I learned the game, trying to survive. One day many years later he left my grandpa's apartment to take a nap, said he was gonna be back later to watch a football game. My grandpa found him a few hours later on his couch in the living room. He had passed away. Never got the chance to play with him to show him how good I got ever since I was a kid. Still think about it to this day and this show and Shaibel remind me of him every time.
Ohhh man 🥺
Trust me he's really proud of you
I'm surprised no on has mentioned that in this scene Beth's emotional breakthrough is based around the realization that her only real father figure in life has been Mr. Shaibel, and that he was the first person to truly be proud of her. I am a bit annoyed Netflix uploaded these scenes back-to-back, it would just destroy any magic or learning experience in the story for someone to watch this who hasn't seen the series yet.
People who look up scenes of series absolutely don't deserve the emotional punch that the series actually delivers, mostly though it's people who finished the series that want to look at memorable moments, this for me was the best moment (realization that he still cares)
Q
WHY would you watch scenes when you didnt watch the show yet...
Well these scenes are for people that have already watched the show and want to revisit them. I cant imagine a lot of people actively search for scenes from shows they havent watched yet but are planning to
I appreciated the upload of the scenes, as someone who has already watched the series. Fun to revisit little snippets and then see the community reaction in the comments. I agree with your point that it could screw over the people who would otherwise feel this epic moment in the way we did. I’d advise you don’t ‘feel’ any way towards this videos upload though. It’s chill. Have a good life
After Harmon told Shaibel he could have the rest of the chocolates and when she left the room, Shaibel had this look on his face like he was thinking, "I've created a monster."
Totally the opposite. That's when he knew he actually liked her. That she could be kind despite growing up in such a place.
Hahaha exactly my thoughts...like "what have I done?"
😂😂😂 starts shouting out “SHES A DEMON” “DO SOMETHING” 🤣🤣🤣
@@carpetclimber4027 true. Some people are bad at interpretation though...
I didn't realize it, but watching this made me realize Beth took the line "Now or never" and repeated it to Harry Beltik after he kissed her. Such a great detail. Shows how much her personality and mannerisms followed Mr. Shaibel's.
I realized that the very second she said it. the details in this series are amazing
I'm not crying.. my eyes are just a little sweaty today
Its sad the fact that the First interview she took she mentioned mr shailbel but the newspaper didnt publicated it, and as we know that mr shailbel keeped all the newspaper related to Beth, he could have known that she still remember him. I think that would have been enough for him and would have made him very happy. 🥺😭
I was always surprised she never went back to visit. But just like real life and the progression of the show you get caught up on trying to build your own future you forget about the ones that pushed you along. Makes me sad everytime I think about it. This show was a masterpiece.
The actress who played Beth as a child should get an academy award.
i TOTALLY agree
You missed my favorite parts.. "You gloating, and "To tell you the truth of it child. You astounding...
The scene when she cries with the picture brought me to tears
I CRIED SO HARD WHEN SHE FOUND OUT HE WAS KEEPING HER ACHIEVEMENTS😭😭 MY EYES WAS SWOLLEN
The agony of knowing you owe so much that you can never repay, and the joy of knowing that someone loved you so much.
Hmm, I need Anya Taylor Joy to confirm that Beth pay that $3000 back to Jolene...
Lmao. She bought dresses instead. Then Jolene took the dresses
Yup. Beth has a bad credit history.
Of course she did. Mr. Sheibel’s death taught her a lesson to pay your debts.
😂😂😂
Lol.
What’s interesting is how Shaibel was probably the closest thing that Beth ever had to a father figure in the series (her birth father ran off, her adoptive father didn’t care). Maybe her breaking down like that at the end was not only symbolic of losing a mentor but also... a Dad.
I like how the Headmistress and the other staff doesn't really abused them.. Just neglecting.
Yes, others make it more dramatic... It feels real, the sufferings, the addiction, and she doesn't lose herself to it because of the support of the people around. It is possible to get out of the pit. It makes me hopeful
they weren't bad guys just parts of a system that failed
neglect is abuse
Shaibel was playing the Queen’s Gambit Declined opening against himself when Beth first saw him.
It really hurt me when Beth said “I owed him 10 dollars” at his funeral.
When was that 10 dollar thing i dont remember. Je gaving her 10 dollars
@@emanuelsosa8 Remember wrote him the letter and Shaibel sent her the five dollars to play her first tournament - the Kentucky State Championship? In the letter she promised Shaibel ten dollars back if she received any prize money. That letter was also seen tacked on the board among the press clippings in Shaibel's workshop. He saved it.
@@CribNotes i saw it i didnt remembered that maybe i wasnt playing atention at that moment or didnt catch IT was him that she was writing the letter
@@emanuelsosa8 what? I can't understand you
@@CribNotes Thanks for the explanation. I was confused whether it was $5 or $10.
The moment Beth puts her hand on mr Shaibel shoulder !
Mr Shaibel was like the dad Beth never had. This is such a touching story. Full credit to the actors.
It wasn't just a friendship, Shaibel was the father figure in Beth's life
One of the many great things about this series was the soundtrack.
Amen to that! I particularly liked the music "The Turning Point" that played when she was in the basement seeing his Wall of Beth. This truly was the turning point for Beth and she was finally able to get herself out of her drug induced Self Pity City and start focusing on chess again. You could say that even in death Mr. Shaibel saved her life.
Mr. Shaibel was standing at the door when she was leaving with her adoptive parents. I didn't catch it the first time but it definitely showed how important Beth was to him.
Should have included the conversation where Beth asks Mr. Shaibel "Am I good enough now?" after beating him, and he responds with "You're astounding"
It was probably the first compliment she ever received in her life up to that point.
It was good that they never made Schaibel's interest in Beth anything sick or pervy, he really did have a paternal attitude toward her, he wasn't shown as a creepy old man.
Tf is wrong with you
Why would you even think such a thing, jeez
@@PrimaDel Dirty old man preying on young girls is a very very common TV movie plot line and has been for decades.
Undoubtedly you did notice along the course of the series other characters did have improper interest in Beth especially as she got older and more glamorous.
But there was no indication that Schaibel's interest was improper.
@@JStarStar00 Very common plotline? Well, yes. There are plenty of plots alike in film and TV history. However, in this instance it's completely unnecessary to bring this up, cause it is entirely irrelevant, as it offers no commentary or any positive character development whatsoever. Even thinking such a thing is automatically ruining the character and their intentions, I see zero reasons to go that way even the slightest. Then I would ask, why even consider such a thing or even an idea of things unfolding this way. Unless you think that old man have high proclivity to being pervy, which isn't true. People cry about sexual objectification in movies, but you are the one objectifying right now as you assume that "old man/young lady" relationships are most likely to be sexual. "Thank god, they didn't go that way", when it's a no brainer that they wouldn't go that way, or any decent human being either.
@@JStarStar00 TL;DR: Stop thinking about absurd/bad alternative scenarios where there is literally no basis for it.
The ending of the movie shows Beth walking up to a group of old men in the park playing chess just for fun. I think it was Beth's way of paying back her debt to Mr. Shaibel. She is now able to play chess against a whole bunch of Mr. Shaibels to enliven their lives, to showcase her achievement in chess to all those Mr. Shaibels - the way that she never did or could with the real Mr. Shaibel.
Actually at the end that old man looks like him right? The end when Beth started to play chess with an old man
@concernedamerican Mr Scheibel was not a james bond spy lmao. I think that scene was just to send beth back to where she began. She started playing with mr scheibel who was not an insanely good player, and ended playing again with random people even though she just beat the world champion. Just goes to show she is still that little girl obsessed with chess.
@@DHAGSFU I guess so ! Anyway this show is a masterpiece I wish there’s like a season 2
I think it's just the cinematography's way of portraying how Mr. Sheibel will be remembered till the last scene. Mr. Sheibel was Beth's beginning and now here we are, a grandmaster, yet still playing with ordinary old people in Russia who deeply loves chess. And through playing with them, Beth is able to meet and play again with Shibel, the ordinary janitor who has the same love for the game as those elderly.
For the first time since learning to play chess in the basement of the orphanage, Beth plays a round of chess not for ranking, not for a prize, and not for pride, but the fun and pure joy of the game. Having accomplished everything she set out to do, Beth is free to enjoy and love chess.
I think it reminds her of how Mr. Shaibel played at the Methuen Home for Girls. Beth is intrigued by what she sees in the park and has a look of pure joy as she takes it all in.
@@carissa4553 noooo! This was a masterpiece, renewing it for more seasons would make it suck.. sort of like the office or something, when they drag out shows until all life leeches away
the last scene when she returned back to the basement shattered my heart :(((
I was so pissed that Beth never returned the money :/
She was 9 then, give her a break
Actually, she was 15
Pretty sure she did, but the show didn't go the length to show it because it would be implied that she did.
I was also a bit bothered by this before but it wasn't until now that it occured to me that thats how it goes between us and our parents; we never could return what was given to us until it was too late. Shaibel was the closest thing to a father for Beth, and like all of us to our parents, they give to us more than we can give back. I'm sure Shaibel didnt mind that money, he was so proud of her, it kicked started her whole life, and that was enough for him.
@@OHOHOHCOME 6:45. She didnt
That scene where she find out he’s passed punches you in the gut 😢 It’s her acting. She did beautiful work. Her crying was moving.
Beth lost 2 mothers and was disowned by 2 fathers. It was the loss of Mr. Shaibel, who set her destiny, that moved her. The highlight of the series was when she sees his clippings of her on the wall and completely breaks down.
One of the best friendship I've seen on screen.
I love how Mr. Shaibel literally was the reason for Beth’s success and discovery of chess. Not only did he show Beth the game, he taught her and even helped her with the high school but more importantly he was the reason she was even able to compete and beat the Kentucky champ to become known for her play and form a career.
She is so talented. I laughed so hard when she cursed him with the word she didn't even know.
Hope to see her acting more in the future, Netflix.
When somebody you love is gone, it's too late to acknowledge your love for them. That regret, shame and guilt will rip you apart and fester forever, it is the worst pain you will ever experience and it never goes away. Say it now, while they can hear. Show it now, while they can feel. Do it often. Nothing in life is more important.
I ain't crying there's dust in my eyes.
8:18 to 9:38 - this part of the series is only 80 seconds... I fucking cried more than 10 minutes in the bathroom and had to pretend i was shitting so my housemates won't see me crying.
hahaha ı agree and
I also admit that I cry
I was really disappointed with Beth, she never visited him. If it wasn't because of him, then she wouldn't be a grandmaster.
I'm sure she planned to visit him. She just never got around to it. Perhaps Mr. Shaibel died a bit too soon? If he lived a bit longer, Beth would have visited him.
Well that's the point. Character development, duh.
It's always like this with people who die. You never expect that the could be gone anytime.
She has trouble showing affection. Being traumatized since an early age, she finds difficult trusting others.. I feel she wanted to visit him but, all her parents figures were awful so maybe she didn't want to know if the same would happen with mr.Shaibel. That's why I believe she didn't want to get too close to him. Also you can tell how much she regrets that when she realizes how much she mattered to him.
she was too focused on chess and winning
Anya's acting once she gets in the car with the photo is so amazing.
You can see just how much the sadness wells up in her before she can't hide it anymore.
Seeing her cry like this felt so real, because I've cried like this several times. She really knew exactly how to portray the heartbreak.
Literally, word by word, what I thought. Actually, this was the scene after I thought to myself, "Ohh yeppp, she is the real deal ". A very few people get that working in the industry from me, it was just perfect, simplistic and realistic acting.
I don’t usually cry but I cried my f*cking eyes out when she found his wall because I have expected this as soon as she entered it. One of the most heart-breaking scenes ever and the only scene Beth actually shows emotions and cries
"You resign now" Mr Shaibel teaches her about sportsmanship.
Beth didn't cry when her adopted mother being her best friend and manager died, but cried when Mr Shaibel the one that taught her her passion and the first one to give her a chance.
emotionless dad and badass daughter is a trope NEVER overdone
When Beth saw the wall she realized then and there that she owned Mr Shaibel everything, that was look on her face was amazing
9:25 what an acting! I really felt that pain.. This tears were totaly Beth's.
Did you? Seemed forced idk i cryed more than her and im grown.
@@ImParzelli but beth is not comfortable with emotions so i thought it is real
Jolene (idk the spelling) is an underrated character too. She helped Beth with so much even at the orphanage.
Mr shaibel was the father figure beth never had I literally started tearing up when beth saw that mr shaibel always take note of her achievements he's so proud of her and always supported her despite not being there in person to watch her matches I would have loved to see them play one last game.
The ending of this clip was a tear jerker...that picture cut deep and just seeing that her mentor followed her success.... that was sad!
I wonder how he would have reacted if he knew Beth mentioned him on every interview
And that's the beauty of every masterpiece, making you think on things that do not happened 😢
If EVERYONE had a Mr. Shaibel in their life, this world would be a much better place...
What Beth and Mr. Shaibel had was truly beautiful.
While I genuinely enjoy the chess battles she's had in this show, what really elevated this mini-series to be one of the greatest was in my opinion, her constant struggle to find love and support throughout her life. Her relationship with Mr.Shaibel stayed with me since the beginning and it took her the entirety of the series to realize that Mr.Shaibel had always been there for her, since day 1. He was arguably the only true supporter of her without asking for anything in return. The very ending where Hermon simply got out of the car to join the old folks was symbolism that connected her to her times with Mr.Shaibel, playing joyful chess with an old man on a little shabby wooden table gave her peace and comfort for Mr.Shaibel's death that nothing else could. Truly a masterpiece.
This was the only show that has ever made me cry... ever
Hate to admit it..I’m in the same camp some shows I watched made me upset but this...this was different
Watch Kingdom with Frank Grillo and Jonathan Tucker
most kind people are happy in silent sacrifice. they dont need the fuss, just the joy of doing good for someone else.
8:39 Anyone else see that news title "Not all woman are stupid" - wow I'm so glad I'm living in the 21st century.
Lmao
Shaibel is the man. He doesn't seek recompense or any sort of recognition from Beth, he literally just gave Beth everything she needed and disappears gracefully. From the beginning up until the end he gave beth what she needed :to give her her start AND to not get in her way. From what he did with beth he is on the level of the greatest sages on earth.
Fucking onions man. RIP shaibel. If a man like him is not in heaven then no one is.
The death of Mr Shaibel was the catalyst for change that Beth needed. When she saw those photos and newspaper clippings she realised how much she meant to Mr Shaibel, and how much of a talent she had been blessed with which she was taking for granted. This moment made her realise how lost and confused she had allowed herself to become, and how much she had taken her eye off the ball. This was the wakeup call she needed to finally get her head straight and get her life back on track. Its sad that it took Mr Shaibel's death for her to realise all this, but in this moment she realised how much he actually loved and cared for her, and then goes on to honor him by making sure the reporters print his story and the world knows his name. Such a brilliant story, not gona lie this scene made me feel very emotional and reflective.
Jolene sharing the news of Mr. Shaibel shows Jolene's sweet intentions as if she knew Beth thought of Shaibel as her Dad
A small act of kindness can change an entire life forever.
Mr. Schaibel as George Bailey! I never thought of it that way before but you're right!
"You'll never know how special someone is once they're gone"
amen
"I suppose in the end the whole of life becomes an act of letting go, but what always hurts the most is not taking a moment to say goodbye."
We deserve a Mr Shaibel bottle episode about what he's been up to after Beth left the orphanage. Hopefully it will have scenes in which Mr Shaibol was playing against Beth's games alone in the basement. It will shed many tears but we deserve it
WHY ISNT THIS A THING?
I have a "Mr. Shaibel" in my life too. I was 17, heartbroken at that time and I remember he took me to a fast food place and just talk, kept me company. I don't remember ever thanking him or buying him dinner or even coffee. We didn't have mobile phones or email back then but I'm wondering now how I lost touch with him. I don't think he is alive anymore since he was pretty old when I first met him. After watching this scene, I regret so much now not to have kept in touch. Wherever you are Don Buchtel, thank you for being my friend
Entire series I was like “Whyy wont she visit Shaibel???” After all these years. The ending sure made me tear