Is NASA About to Cancel New Horizon's Mission? Here's What We Know
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Hello and welcome! My name is Anton and in this video, we will talk about what's happening with New Horizons mission...is it done?
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0:00 Intro to New Horizons mission
1:30 Why do they want to cancel it?
3:20 Why this is maybe incorrect
4:10 Another intriguing proposition about the Kuiper belt
6:30 So what's going to happen?
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Someone give this man a space blanket
Why ?
@@betteroffdead because it's cold in space 🥶
@@ogedehand who said the writers are strike.
My mom made me an astronomy quilt 😁
@@jermsmason2082 that's pretty rad
I think a mission to Uranus and/or Neptune would be valuable as an update to Voyager.
I'd love to see another flyby of Uranus and it would be really cool if we could get something into an orbit around Neptune.
Its too far away. For all we know, Uranus is on the other side of the solar system.
I'd hear a flagship mission to Uranus got green-lit a while back, but I haven't heard anything since.
@@dbsti3006 Uranus is actually right now in the best position for a launch that it could be for the next several decades. Not sure about Neptune though.
@AceSpadeThePikachu So, will they just turn the probe around like that? It went to Pluto, then Arrokoth. Its mission was for Pluto originally, but was able to get something nearby as a bonus. It seems that going back to Uranus would be out of the way. Mind you, if they were able to go back and get more detail of Uranus and it's moons that would be awesome.
Keep on mission. We're closer to Sol, we can look at it in dozens of ways, most any time we choose.
But validating a second belt will be a lost dream for decades if we dont use this opportunity.
Just my opinion.
well, i believe the mission would be to study the affects the sun has on the solar system from so far away. but i agree, those missions can be done at any other point in time. the here and now is what matters and we need to use this chance to study what has been thus far an unknown region of space and all the objects we can.
Anton, there is no equal to your unique channel
Cassini type missions to both Uranus and Neptune would be really cool.
so basically, we beat the main game of new horizons and now we're deciding which side quests we want to do
Just want to say how much I love your channel. I’ve learnt so much about things I didn’t think I could possibly understand. Thanks for your hard work.
As long as the "battery" allows it to run keep it going for pete's sake, we have nothing else around that area able to do anything like this probe can, or will have any time soon. Using the same approach as with the Voyager's is in my opinion the way to go.
I happened to be at Melbourne Beach when this launched many years ago, what a freaking ride it has been on. And what a ride I’ve had in my life since then, graduating college, getting married, having kids, buying houses, it’s all insane to think about.
Astronomy is my Hobby and I am very thankful, you share all the interesting information with us. Keep up the good work.
There is no other object even close to it to observe anymore. It's in the Kuiper belt. Objects are everywhere, yet so far apart. Even on the mission site, it has no target yet.
Thx for the news update.
Wow this is the first I’ve heard of a secondary Kuiper Belt. Without knowing the distances involved, I almost wonder if it could actually be a gap that could have been cleared by a massive Planet X type object, the way that Saturns rings have gaps occupied by larger objects
Would love to see a mission "above" or "below" the plane of the solar system to get an "arial" view.
Like Voyager 1?
@@smeeself
It's not exactly on a "due north" trajectory. In 100 years it may be far enough out, but it's only running 35 degrees or so.
It's all about "bang for the buck" with projects like these. As neat as it might be, there's really not much interesting "up there" to look at, other than that rearward view. And what would we gain from that that we don't already know? Unless we find a particularly enigmatic object of some kind located in a polar position to go and check out, it would be a big expenditure for little gain.
The only other thing I can think of that _might_ make it worthwhile would be something like charting polar variations in the solar wind, and even then I think we would need a very strong reason to devote sending out an expensive probe for it.
P.S. It's "aerial" . 😉
@@davidh.4944
That rear view could tell us a lot. P.S. Voice transcription doesn't spell everything correctly.
@@PacesIII That's why I included the winking emoji.
But "tell us a lot" about what? If we ever got a probe out to a distance where we could view the entire system at once, it would probably be unable to detect anything smaller than the major planets we already know about. Maybe we'd learn a bit more about the distribution of orbital dust, I guess, but I personally can't think of much else.
Additionally, besides KBelt objects being far apart, my understanding is that the trajectory of NHor. takes it across a swath of the Milky Way in relation to Earth thus increasing the background objects and making it harder to discover likely closer, but fainter, KBelt candidates for NHor. to be diverted to rendezvous with.
Spaseba... Anton, you're one wonderful man...❤
Question, Anton: how heavily in NASA's consideration weighs the finite capacity of the Deep Space Network to schedule receiving transmissions from an increasing number of outer solar system missions like JUNO, JUICE, CALYPSO et al?
Anton doesn’t answer questions in the comments.
google "NASA’s Deep Space Network Looks to the Future"
(about Network Upgrades)
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It would be so short sighted to switch New Horizons' mission given the new information about the outer solar system. I really hope the new research puts flesh on the skeleton of the 'Outer Kuiper Belt'. Maybe then we could shut down some non essentials temporarily and wake them up when we get among the exciting things that are surely out there.
Good idea. 👍
I hope not, I watched it launch. 😢 Voyager's 1 & 2 are still going.
SAme, and I waiting more than a decade for it to reach Pulton
Loved the New Horizons mission! Hope it continues!
Interesting to know this😊
I wish they would have put New Horizons in orbit around Pluto. There seems to be so much more to learn there.
I agree that it's premature to fundamentally alter New Horizons' mission objectives.
Wouldn't it be great if Planet X was to be discovered right on the track of New Horizons! :)
Took the words right out my mouth 😊
1:58 That's no moon!
That would be spectacular. It would be such an extreme coincidence that we'd have to wonder if it was an alien ship that moved into position or influenced NASA to send the probe at just the right time too.
We won't find Zuckerbergs Home Planet for another 25 years according to the timeline.
What if it found a comet coming straight to earth???
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The nature of our existence can often mimic the whimsical journey of a solitary leaf caught in an autumnal breeze. Much like the leaf, we are carried along the whimsical currents of circumstance, swirling and twirling, guided by the unseen hand of fate. The journey can sometimes feel unpredictable, but within that chaos is an order, a rhythm that emerges only when we pause to reflect, to gaze with wonder at the path we have traversed, and the path that lies ahead.
In navigating the maze of life, the compass we most frequently turn to is knowledge - that dazzling, complex constellation of understanding, wisdom, and insight. However, as we dance with the mysteries of the universe, it becomes clear that the role of knowledge is not just to enlighten but also to bewilder. The more we learn, the more we realize that the cosmos is but a gigantic playground of paradoxes, a grand testament to the duality of existence. As poet John Keats once said, "The poetry of the earth is never dead." So too, I believe, is the poetry of perplexity in our lives, an exquisite reminder of our endless quest for meaning.
As the moon pirouettes in the celestial ballet of the night sky and the mountains stand as silent sentinels, watching over the passage of time, we find ourselves caught in the relentless torrent of the world’s pulse. These moments of being immersed in the world's rhythm provide us with a renewed appreciation for the infinitely complex, beautifully chaotic, and eternally captivating narrative of life.
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While it may seem as though these musings have been a wander through a labyrinth of abstractions, with no apparent connection to the linear realities of our day-to-day lives, allow me to humbly suggest that there is an underlying thread weaving through this existential tapestry. Just as we constantly endeavor to understand the mystery of life, we must also strive to decipher the conundrums of our own selves.
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Can’t wait for the video on the second Kuiper Belt. This is the first I’m hearing of this
Nice video.
Wonderful as always anton. Thank you. 👍☺️
TY Anton great talk bud .Now i can go to sleep and Lucid dream about jumping around on Pluto 😆😉😇
Would the gap between the "first" and "second" kuiper belt (we need a better name already) indicate something has cleared the orbit in-between such as a planetary body? I could be wrong please feel free to discuss
there are gaps in planetary ring systems that aren't accounted for by moons though, maybe it's just that the specific mass and speed of those objects dictates their orbits
could call it the Kuiper Void or maybe the Kuiper Valley. im not good with names but i agree this empty area should have a designation.
@@MrTaxiRob definitely possible, more observations are needed
@@moviemaker2011z Kuiper Valley definitely sounds badass!
@@emresarandal825 Kuiper Valley Ranch
Maybe they will mess up GMm/r^2 by finding huge mass out there. The variables in that expression are probably incidental, not causal, and the only number NOT reverse-engineered is the radius, so at best they have a very accurate analogy, as with all math analogies. "The wheels on the bus go round and round." That song describes a bus exactly like math does, but it is not an understanding of a bus.
Fantastic video, Anton! Thanks! 😊
I hope they're right!
Thank you, Anton! What do you think the plan for New Horizons should be going forward?
Once pointed toward the sun, can the probe be turned back to its initial mission?
(singing) It's the end of the New Horizons/It's the end of the New Horizons/It's the end of the New Horizons Mission, and it's still going...
Why can’t it do both? Do solar studies until it reaches the second belt, then switch back?
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It is amazing that they found a second reachable target out there, let alone a third one. Those bodies out there are so sparse and far between, and N-H is so fast...
I am going to make a minor nitpick about wording here. _Cancel_ is what you do to a problematic project during planning or before reaching a scheduled milestone. The word that should be used here is _retire_ . Or perhaps _redefine_ or _restructure_ would be better, since it seems they still want try to to keep it alive in some aspect.
New Horizons is the name of the current mission. That mission may be canceled. If the probe is used in the future for solar observations, then it will be assigned a new mission name with a new staff of flight directors (maybe) and scientists.
@@stargazer5784 Fair enough, although _New Horizons_ is the name of both the probe and the mission. But my point still stands. You don't _cancel_ a mission after its objectives have been met. You _retire_ or _end_ it. I'm just trying to encourage accurate word use here.
And I did say it was a minor quibble, nothing to really debate.
thx
Could you do a video explaining more on the Kyper belt vs the Ortt cloud.
They can turn over the mission TO THE PEOPLE if they can't handle it.
So u have the millions of dollars and thousands of manhours to govern this?
Over to the people? How exactly does that work?
i can see what you mean but i think you are being a bit harsh. nasa loses a lot of money over all of their projects they have. so they have to evaluate the costs of each mission and determine if it has been fruitful and if it can continue to be or if it will start to lose forward progress. new horizons was a massive success and provided us with so much that we didnt know for a fact and could only think of without proof. and it provided even further information after that. so the likelihood that they would cancel all missions in relation to new horizons is not possible. like anton said, they would simply switch gears and have it study solar related missions and the likes. this way the probe itself is still useful and still gaining forward progress as they see fit. its not that they cant handle it, its that the path its on has very little in its way that we know of and if its only goal is to study asteroids then right now its useless and taking up time and money for nothing. reassigning it to a new task keeps interest up and allows it to keep designated funding.
@@davidhoward4715 Does nasa do seti?
I just watched your episode detailing how life is responsible for mountain formation. Why can I not find it to watch and share?
I think its kind of offensive to repurpose the probe as a sun observing probe , i read alan sterns book about the blood sweat and tears it took to get new horizons off the ground literally
yes!
I prefer if either NH should try to go to Eris or move into Uranus/Neptune, if possible even trying to find Planet 9
It's getting a new primary mission, "Learn all that is learnable and return the knowledge to its creator."
why not back-burner it and check in periodically ? Largely sunk cost that can be on someone's hobby list?
Maybe someday, if that thing is still alive, and we haven't gotten out to space that far, we'll be able to for the first time to watch the furthest human-made interstellar collision... (Someone said we can't aim it...?)
Maybe you or someone could pass on this request to NASA, if they have the resources to send out another New Horizon type probe an another direction, say on the opposite side of the solar system to explore, maybe even looking for planet X ?
Erm, how is an imaging probe, that is the farthest thing we have, from the sun, going to be of any use studying it?
3:21 Why does he look like that he's about to cry, No offense. 😂
After the team decided the name of the object now known as Arrokoth, Nasa decided to cancel the whole mission. They change the name and continued the mission after removing some individuals.
i wasbactually sad by the renaming. Ultima Thule is a super cool name with centuries of history behind it, claiming it was "tainted" by what the Nazis did is absolutely moronic. Just like with Swastika: a Hindu/Buddhist symbol for millenia, and way too many people react with terror when they see one of'em on the walls of a temple
If they give up on the mission but the satellite is still functional, what's to stop someone else from restarting the mission (DSN access aside)? Could they sell the mission rights to someone? Maybe some university...
it could always be rebadged Voyager 3 and we just wait for it to go further out, hopefully catching up with more fuel in the rtg since it was a much more recent launch than the original duo, with more efficient hardware.
If they can keep voyager going , then keep new horizons
But is there any reason why, if a viable Kuiper-plus target was found, New Horizons couldn't be put back into planetary science service for the duration of the encounter? Are some instruments "shut down once and it's forever", or is it more about the team running NH back home? Surely there is work for the planetary science NH team on other projects... and if not, what then?
What am I missing?
You can't just shaft and recruit people willy-nilly. There's limited equipment, limited budget, limited time, limited expertise.
The alternative is that you have a team being paid to be idle. What could other science teams do with increased personnel? As you yourself said, the budget is limited, and it's getting smaller not bigger. Isn't the best use of budget and available staffing levels to put those resources into active missions. I can't imagine that the only possible thing the New Horizons planetary science team can do is study KBOs. They're not that hyperspecialized.
If I were making the decision, I would support transitioning New Horizons to solar, and make the NH planetary science team the core of the next planetary science mission to be formed.
This is not "willy-nilly". This is the hard decision that has to be made. Please don't be insulting by insinuating that it's something that would be done on a whim.
What about the small planet after Pluto
Cirus Sona something like that
What happened to the hot dense plasma field?
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Thanks Anton. Politics, budgets. So important.
NO!! 😢
Hope No!
Please save it!
That is a very well built craft too, helio study when there's plenty of other observational equipment that can do it is kind of a shame.
Why? It completed its mission, it doesn't really have a useful purpose shut it off and spend the money on something useful.
@@M167A1 like your education
@@M167A1 Yep, let's send a faster craft out to it and flip its power switch, we can still receive telemetry and the mission should continue in a lower capacity. If it actually finds something in this supposed second structure than obviously get everyone on board then. What NASA is suggestion that we should use what little fuel it has left to orient itself to study the Sun. Which is completely pointless since we already have a buttload of equipment doing said task.
@@AverageFornaxEnjoyerWe don’t need YET ANOTHER solar probe. Have New Horizons look back at Uranus and Neptune.
How many "kuiper belts" have been found around other solar systems if at all?
None, for belts like those are incredibly hard to see, due to how scarce the material in them is
Jack Brennan is probably going to snag it anyway. (Read "Protector" by Niven.)
If there really is a second Kuiper belt, what is the cause of the gap between them. Is there there something there that cleared that gap such as a planet?
exactly! this didnt just happen like that, it would be amazing to study this new Kuiper belt and learn what lurks within.
@@moviemaker2011z I agree.
Nah
Anton, Is it even remotely possible that the so called Planet 9 is located out there....where we happen to have a probe looking for a mission.
Why can't the instrument multitask? Instead of being idle during its primary (current) mission, do solar studies during that time?
It can but there is not enough bandwidth to report that much finding back.
Noooooo!!! 😢
Sometimes I feel like it would have been better to get it in orbit around Pluto
Yes, how I wish, and the whole New Horizon's team wished this were possible
Yeah it could, if it crashed into Pluto to lose momentum then maybe orbit Pluto as flung off space debris.
Maybe try and find some alien spaceships 😉👽
So the Kepler belt is simply rings around our sun, like Jupiter but larger.
Kuiper belt, and no, not really
Extend the mission!
The New Horizons Probe should have landed on Pluto rather than look for other bodies which are only rocks.
I was wondering if that object was what remains of two planes or moons colliding and they stuck together at there magnetic poles
Close, but they are only something like 30 miles wide and far too small to have a magnetic field. Alan Stern is my sister's boss and what he told me is that those were two separate objects that were orbiting each other and slowly got closer and closer until they smushed together.
imagine New Horizons being the probe that discovers planet 10. that would be mind blowing!
Why don't they just hand it over amateurs and let us play with it.
After all, the public did pay for it, and if the scientists dont have anything to do with it, let the children play, say I.....
So, if there's a big empty gap between the inner out outer Kuiper Belt...could that indicate Planet 9 is nestled somewhere in that gap?
If they can't find a reason to continue the mission, it's time to switch it up, that makes sense to me. Sure it would suck for the team to have to dissolve, but it was never meant to last this long to begin with.
"...it was never meant to last this long..." seems like a strange argument to me. As long as there is a chance to collect more data out there with comparatively minor effort (like mothballing the mission to save energy for a year or so and have only a skeleton crew overseeing the basic functions, and maybe volunteers evaluating incoming data points), there is no need to even make a decision atp.!
No they cart be that stupid, they is still loads of science to do in the KB. We won't be out there again anytime soon, so we need to keep it going as long as possible
Right, but they don't need a full team for that
The question is not "should we continue researching the KB?" It's "what do we do with New Horizons now?" At the moment there isn't really much it can do to help with the first question. Or do you have any specific suggestions to help justify the funds being spent keeping the current operation going?
@@davidh.4944 it can still look at KBOs with Lori better than we can from Earth it can also look for new flyby while taking senor reading of the KB, yes they are no KBOs to flyby at the moment but that doesn't mean we won't find a small KBO while we travel to the second more populated belt, and even if we never do another flyby, we won't be there again for a long time, we won't be around next time we explore the KB, so spending a bit more money now can only benefit us
We need to beg for a little JWST time, that is our best hopr to find a target
The Old New Horizons. Always thought it'd keep going and we'd have yet another space probe in interstellar space one day...but alas, Old New Horizons is being abandoned. Sad day, if true:)
not abandoned, repurposed. its still going to be monitored and watched, but its extended mission of studying asteroids and the likes will be changed. dont lose hope yet.
Why not open source time on it for us enthusiastic amateurs?
Hello wonderful person,
New horizons heliosphere mission cost has a lower average daily cost. Up front the turn costs x, but the new dedicated team would be managing the single asset; therefore smaller.
I had hoped, and I think others had hoped too. That after the discover of the binary planet Pluto-ron, new horizons would have focused on gravity well science. Einstein used the moon. Pluto is two dwarf planets.
PS... You left out a picture of Charon with Pluto; "-ron"
Anton, isn't it because of Heliophysics that NASA has the Parker Solar Probe? Why "repurpose" the New Horizons deployed in 2006, which has the opportunity to find new objects and clarify the existence, or lack thereof, of a second Kuiper Belt keeping in mind that the probe is the only one in the ecliptic of our planetary system?
cool
TY Anton for the news about NASA's future plans.
Arrokoth = Ultima Thule?
Yeah, Ultima Thule was just a nickname before it got it's official designation
What is the name of this double asteroid shown at 1:00 exactly?
_Arrokoth_ , just as Anton said as the picture came up. It is the KBO New Horizons was redirected to fly by about 3½ years after it's encounter with Pluto. It was originally nicknamed _Ultima Thule_ before it received it's official name.
@@davidh.4944 sorry I really couldnt make out what he was saying
@@davidh.4944 in fact my best guess was "Erikov" lol, but thanks for letting me know
A gap in the Kuiper Belts, sort of reminiscent of planetary rings.
A Kuiper moon. i hope new horizons keeps its current mission. i don`t understand the reason for changing it.
If a world is detected in its path, it will be resurrected.
They should have done something crazy with this one like put a huge telescope on it imagine being able to swap it to telescope mode way out there while it's not being used for anything.
The entire probe weighs something like 500kg, so I doubt you could fit a meaningful telescope onto it even as the primary scientific payload
@@alexsiemers7898 Alan built it as light as possible so he could stick it on top of the biggest rocket he could get so he could get it moving as fast as possible out to Jupiter. Then after a gravity assist where it picked up even more speed, it still took nearly a decade to reach Pluto which is something like a light hour away.
@@maingun07 true I forgot about that. Still could have been interesting, maybe next one or future missions, make them multipurpose. I understand it's expensive as frig but they are also a huge waste after they finish their mission.
Why does science always get the short end of the funding stick? 🙁
To spend trillions of dollars on weapons for killing other human beings and primitively enforcing borders with deadly force just like our medieval, idiotic ancestors. We wouldn't be able to afford all of that idiocy if we actually valued and funded science now, would we?
Only when it's not defense related.
Objects or no objects Its all learning about space we won't probe again for many many years.
What is makemake?
Extremely strange dwarf planet that we wont able to see until we octagenarians
When does the New Horizon become the Old Horizon?
I am certain that NASA can find a lot of fat in their more politically controversial programs than to start cutting real space exploration.
Looks like, to me, that they aught to keep the fox in it's current hen house to finish the job.
@Anton Petrov Why don't we see the space junk everybody keeps talking about? Wouldn't we see it from the ISS?
Why can’t it do both?
probably not enough money when most NASA money is going into the human missions to the Moon or mitigating the US debt crisis
erikos look like frosty the snowman.
Arrokoth. Powhatan for 'sky' or 'cloud.'