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I’m 16, waiting to be 17 and literally counting everyday just so i could apply for my PPL. I been saving up for 4 years now and i just want to achieve my dream, as much as people make fun of my dreams and call it “ out of reach “ i still believe in myself, stay positive people and pray for me hehe :P UPDATE: i'm 18 now, i got my PPL almost 3 weeks ago, me and a friend bought a Cessna 152 and we are having ALOT of fun every time we fly over the city, there's something magical about it and every time we take off there's a feeling i can't even describe.. i want to tell anyone reading this, please don't ever give up.. time will take care of things as long as you're working for them. thank you guys for your prayers.
That’s good you’re focused at your age! Back when I was 17 my dreams were convoluted, and I wish I would have buckled down and focused on aviation while I had scholarships. Now is the best time to pursue aviation!
I bought a C150 for under $20K. My first annual? $450 owner assist. My insurance? $475/yr. Tiedown? $75/mo. Gas? 5 gal/hr. So while you narrow minded naysayers are attempting to show how much you know about why these planes won't work I'm actually doing it and having the time of my life flying over you while you wallow in negativity. C ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!
My insurance allows me to charge up to 4 named pilots at no extra charge. Also when you leaseback to my flight school we pay the $350/mo insurance, tiedown, 100 hour inspections and give you $500/month on a Cherokee 140.
5 gallons an hour is still around $25 an hour and you can go what, 130 mph and your max range is what 400 miles? A car may be half as slow but it's far cheaper and far safer and you don't need special permissions every time you want to leave and arrive.
Well built, light, easy to use and maintain, a solid engine, lasts forever, and discontinued by the manufacturer but still going strong... you aren't far off!
There are many viable aircraft out there for an average man or woman to afford IF they really want to. These include factory as well as homebuilt aircraft. For the sake of perspective I will define 'average" by my standards..$35,000.00 -$50,000.00. Flying does not have to be expensive but it take money and priority. It is not like so many " hobbies" that you can set aside and the expense goes away. Entry level license will take from $ 4K to 10K. This can be paid over time throughout training.This is a basic license. Add endorsements and rating and up you go expense wise all the way around in the form of staying current. A basic but good airplane can be had for the previously mentioned prices and go waaay up to infinity but again we are talking about average income pilots doing thus for personnel reasons..not commercial. If you have an airplane...metal or fabric covered...hangar it. A lot of folks tie down outside but over a much shorter period of time wear results and that cost more than hangar rent in the long run. Also..amature built does not necessarily mean less expensive in any form though if you are familiar with how an airplane is built or are willing to learn..their cost can be offset to varying degrees. ALL aircraft require maintenance..no exceptions. Let's do a break down of sorts. Aircraft .. $22,000.00 Hangar....$100.00 to $300.00 per month. Fuel....... $3.00 to $6.00 per gallon...5 to 10 gph fuel burn. Oil...$3.00 to $8.00 per quart General maintenance on tires..brakes..engine...airfeame can be from $15.09 per hour to over $50.09 per hour depending on different factors such as engine manufacturer..time on engine and airframe..care from previous owners etc. These figures include fixed expenses for yearly aircraft inspections. Flight review every 2 years.. $209.00 to $500.00 ( high side). These are basic rounded figures and that being said..will scare a lot of people...Now..to justify them...sort of. If you want to fly...how passionate are you? Instead of a moderately priced car...there is your airplane...instead of smoking and Friday nights..there is your hangar and maintenance....instead of eating out everyday for work...pack a lunch and snacks ..there is your flight time. If you have other hobbies that you don't want to give up to fly then you have made your decision and that is good for you. If you have some interests that you are willing to cut back on it trade for your desire to fly...then you might just find a whole new world of perspective of family and friends that share your passion and will change your life and experiences forever. Welcome to the clouds, flyin breakfasts, new horizons, sunsets and sunrises. WELCOME TO FLYING.
Kal Mian Forgot I wrote that. Thanks. The 09 was supposed to be 00. type error but again.. thanks. I flew my Cygnet SF2A this past Sunday. First flight since December here in Michigan. Still can't get the grin off my face😀😀😀
waaaa, dude, you convinced me, I will buy my plane in the future, but its engine will be electric, I do not want fuel or oil or dammed maintenance crap in my plane
Wow my guy. I'm 28 and this is a goal for me by 35. Holy carp! This comment truly inspires me. I don't have a license yet but your few words really put this in perspective for me and the sky ahead. I appreciate it. And I'm excited to begin discovering the great blue yander!
Anything made in the 70's will have maint costs. It's part of the fun. Think positive, be happy, live life. I was made in the '60's and I have maint. costs too!!
Aircraft have annuals on maintenance each year so they are in pretty good shape. Plus he left off on on any aircraft you buy you have a certified aircraft mechanic power plant and airframe go over the entire aircraft and then a commercial pilot certified in that model of plane fly it to make sure their are no issues. Yes it's 1000 to 2000 dollars depending on where the plane is but better then buying a hunk of noon flying junk
This is a well done presentation. Well written, very good camera work and the speaker does a fine job. The information is accurate and thoughtful and overall, it's close to a five, out of five.
No Name I live right by the airport when I drive by the airport I see planes at the airport, sometimes the airport airplanes are for sale at the airport
Yes that is possible. But it will be on condition (engine over 2000 hrs) and probably need avionics or other work. Think $20k as a min for a decent type approves aircraft.
Nice video. I have a C150 and upgraded it to be IFR because of Northern California weather. After owning it for 18 years, I am considering selling due to health. It was nice to see your video and makes me wish for my younger days.
Its worth about 26k. Has about 100hrs SMOH. Full IFR. I would like to get 20k. I have invested over 30k in avionics and engine overhaul. prosharealty at gmail com
I owned a Cessna 172 for a number of years. It was a blast! I flew it to 14 states. The 172 is easy to fly and is the cheapest way to stay in the air. The fixed gear and fixed prop lowers the maintenance and insurance cost. As others have commented on, yes there are maintenance costs. You can dramatically reduce this cost if you are willing to get your hands dirty. Find a mechanic that does free lance work instead of going to the FBO for your annual inspections. There are plenty of mechanics doing work on the side for extra cash. Do as much maintenance yourself as the FAA allows. It is cheaper and you learn a lot about how the plane is built. This makes you a safer pilot. I fail to understand why fewer people are learning to fly each year. It is much more relaxing and fun to fly your own plane than to drive the interstates or fly commercial.
John Hempel I would think some of it is the economy the past several years and maybe the millennial factor similar to what’s happening in the motorcycling world. Also stats says large portion of millennials aren’t interested in even getting a drivers license!
Barely afford rent these days, no good jobs anymore. I had to sell my motorcycle because I couldn’t afford the insurance anymore. Don’t know if it’s cheaper down in the States or not. But in Ontario, Canada it’s getting to hard.
Oh yeah, Do your own Oil Changes, get an A/P that will let you do basics, and sign off on it, and for an annual, do all of the Prep work yourself so all the A/P has to do is come in and do the inspection and you save a boatload of money.
I literally flew one backwards C-150 8355U(ground speed anyway)during private pilot check ride in 95. Really windy day 25 knots gusting to 35 straight down runway that day. Examiner gave me headings and altitudes during foggle or instrument part of practical exam, and said "ok look outside now" I looked at ground and we were flying backwards(in relationship to ground speed). It was pretty freaking cool!
Yes, I will gladly second that!!! Did my training in a 1978 152. In some ways, I like it more than the school's 4 172s. They have a 2006 172SP, which I've flown a few times with an instructor, and it feels like I'm getting into a Rolls Royce with expensive leather, after having flown the 152! 😃 .....but still the lighter, "crisper" 152 feels like more "fun" and "nimble" to fly!
The only aircraft I ever got to actually fly (Young Eagles back in the day) was a 150. You can be pretty short and still see over the instrument panel, which is nice! (alas, the eyes are junk, so I can't get a PPL)
It means the plane wants to correct itself, this is because of the stable nature of high wing designs also you won’t need the extra maintenance on fuel pumps because the fuel can flow fine using gravity
Both Cessna 172 and Cessna 152 are statically and dynamically stable. If you are in a bad spot, let go of the controls and the plane will sort itself. In other words, the plane isn't trying to kill you.
I helped a friend get a little 142 flight worthy and he bought it for 10grand and put about 200 bucks in parts in it. It's got half an old vw bug motor literally a 4cyl boxer cut in half. Pretty crazy
David - The piper warrior is very easy to fly, just get with an instructor and get going! They'll walk you through the entire process. Plan on around $7500 and 2 to 6 months.
Gregory - Having a welding background will definitely be beneficial, but the majority of an aircraft is riveted together. If I were to build an airplane, I'd go with a Vans RV. www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-building.htm Pick the plane you want for the mission you will be flying, and have fun!
If you dream of being an airline pilot just go here in my country Philippines. You're allowed to fly up to 1500 hours as pilot in command the flying school fee would range 2 million-5 million pesos (32k-60k). Package would include private pilot license, single engine rating, instrumentation rating, multi engine rating, ground school and they would help you get type rated for airbus a320 family. Food and lodging included with the tuition it is usually 8-12 months to complete cheers!
Congrats on getting your own plane, and I wish you many years of safe flying. (I hope you were not in the majority of trolls..Oops, I meant "commenters"... who think the video title said "Airplanes you can buy, maintain, overhaul, insure, and keep fuel in for life under $30,000".)
Great video! The affordability of the zillions of 172's out there, help to keep the prices of 150's and 152's well within reach of community-airport pilots who want their own simple flyabout planes. I wish you'd included the Alon Aircoupe in this list.
Good video, thanks for making it! I totally agree about the Grumman: low-wing aircraft just look "cooler" (more aggressive, faster, sportier) than high-wing aircraft. I think I prefer the look of the Piper, but the Grumman has a really distinctive look, so I can understand someone preferring it over the Piper.
Yes, the low wing pipers are supposedly “easier” to fly than even the docile Cessnas. Even though I have my Commercial Pilot Certificate and Instrument rating, with over 400 hours, I have never flown the Pipers (or any low wing aircraft for that matter). All I’ve flown is 172s (M, SP and RG) and 152s
I live in the UK. 1993 I got my PPL and a Cessna 150, bought very used for less than the price of a 2nd hand car... Sold it 2 years later to the flying school after converting to helicopters and bought a Robinson R22 which I still own and fly today. OMG... I'd never be able to afford to start from scratch today.
That is because of what your country has turned into!! But Boris Johnson is back at the helm (Britain’s version of Trump). So maybe there is hope for your country after all??
I know that the Grumman Cheetah AA-5A is a 4 place plane and 30K for one is a bit of a stretch but a wonderfully comfortable, and safe airplane worthy of consideration. Other experimental planes such as these designed by Burt Rutan pusher design with cruising speeds just shy of 200mph. Varieze under 15K long ez and the Cozy 3under 30K.
Why all the negative comments? If you choose not to fly or learn to fly, it’s up to you? Flying and owning an older airplane is really no more expensive than buying a new Harley touring bike, a cheap sports car or racing at a local track. Guys don’t whine about the cost of owning, modifying or maintaining those things, and they sure don’t calculate cost per hour of riding and drinking. Be smart about your purchase, find a mechanic to work with, learn and make your fun affordable and safe.
If you get a 172, get a S series. It has far more power and the heavier engine actually makes it easier to recover from stalls and land, as unlike lighter C172's, it doesn't like to float and glide as much. Trust me, it took me forever to get my landings down on the standard C172, but after two landings in the S-series, I was nailing them.
Thank You Mike. Your videos are always informative, fair, and unbiased. Keep up the good work. Inspiring one to fly could be life-changing encouragement for some ppl. You may never know how your work changes lives for the better. Ignore, delete, block the haters. Also, do you have a video on the Two styles of Sonics? One has a V-Tail, and appears to have a Jet engine??? Or could you make one??
The jet engine is not a certified engine for the kit. Sonex is located in Oshkosh wis home of eaa. It's a great little kit plane. My step father wanted me to build one but I went a different direction. They do have a lot of options, even a motor glider if I remember right.
Good video, Mike! Thanks for the effort, look for valid suggestions in comments, ignore mean spirited comments, and please continue to develop your channel.
Hey Mike, great video, some people might see some discrepancies like the "over inflated prices" comments however I think that overall your video gives good info. My one tip is that although your video is about airplane prices and not maintenance cost you should have mentioned having a little caution with the maintenance needs of these older aircraft and how the price can change drastically depending on how much time is on the engine, actually you might want to do a future video on the hidden cost of buying a plane.
No. There's really no need to do that at all. The process of getting licensed takes months and thousands of dollars, only to then need to spend tens of thousands on a plane. If you're stupid enough to expect a ten minute video to be all you need to know, you're too stupid to make decisions.
How about this? A Sonex with a full, nose to tail, Delta Wing? A lot of square feet of Wing Area and very slippery, maybe retracks? Evelons, rudder, really simple controls.
Grumman A1AA: Max load about 500LBS. Quirky stall characteristics, have to stay on the power when landing. Designed by Bede before Grumman took it over. Fuel tanks are the main wing spar that is a pipe. Two to 2.5 hour range. Mike, I think your were looking at the specs for the A5AA Traveler. Hard to get for $30K unless it is time to re-engine or similliar additional costs. I do love all the Grumman's looks. They are sporty!!
This is true and now is actually the time. The people who bought all the aircraft during the boom from the 50s to the 70s are all ageing out. There are a lot of useful aircraft coming up for sale with a lot of good hours left in them and very good prices. I reckon there will be a mini boom as a result.
Perhaps on the Grumman the author was confusing an AA1 with a Tiger, the AA1 has 450lbs useful. from review: "The AA1B has a basic useful load of more than 450 pounds. While not great, it beats the rest of the AA1 lineup by 50 to 90 pounds. Produced between 1973 and 1976,"
When you take into consideration the Sonex has Removable wings ...there goes your hangerage and parking cost.... So in the long run it wiil save you on operating cost $$$$
I don't understand the hate you receive. I think this video does exactly what it claims to do, gives five examples of planes you can pick up for $30k. "But what about maintenance??? RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!" I don't even understand this argument. Anyone in the market knows used aircraft aren't like used cars off some dealer's lot and will require some additional costs to make the bird airworthy. SMH
Well, I neither don't understand. However, the same video including yearly budget (even approximately) would be great. I already have the $30,000 but how much should I save for an average operating budget, saying 2 h a week?
Buying the airplane is the least expense. The annual fixed costs for my Kitfox was $3600 for hangar, about $1200 for insurance, and about $900 for the annual condition inspection. You can mitigate some of these costs. For example at our glider club we purchased a full A/C covers since we have to store them outside. Those cost about $1500 a set. Insurance for tail draggers is more expensive. My last owner assisted annual cost me a good bottle of wine as a gift for my A&P hangar mate.
That seam in the windscreen on the Sonex would drive me crazy. I owned a Cessna Hawk XP for a number of years. It had the good manners of a 172, but had an extra 50 hp so it climbed like a homesick angel. It saw a ton of use in airborne search & rescue and mountain flying classes. It's a great platform for both uses. One thing the video doesn't provide much info about -- and SHOULD -- is maintenance and repairs. Yes, you can buy an older airplane for bargain prices, but you're also going to be looking at timed-life components needing replacement, potential corrosion issues, etc. It's easy to end up spending many thousands of dollars you didn't plan on when a mechanic finds an issue during an annual inspection. So, if you buy an airplane, be sure you sock away enough cash (hopefully before you buy) to take care of unplanned expenses because they WILL show up.
I like the wings above the cockpit because they allow you to see the ground better. Where I live, flying is the best way to see the beautiful landscape
The comments are sickening. It matters not what is said, the trolls HAVE to pouince on it with derision. He says "initial investment" and all the trolls - poor, sick human being who must downgrade everything and everyone just to make themselves appear "superior" (in their own eyes) - start with the "what about maintenance" and so on. Too dumb to even understand the words they hear, but the are so smart (in their pathetic little minds) that they have to tell everything "wrong". Disgusting bunch of negative people... LOOK AT THE TITLE: "5 Personal Airplanes You Can Buy For Less Than $30,000". It does NOT say "Airplanes you can buy, overhaul, maintain, put fuel in, and insure for life under $30,000"!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone else feel like planes just have “that smell”. You know what I mean? Anyways great video, my family own a piper cherokee 180. Great airplane. Overall, it has a lot better weight and balance, and can take a lot more weight than a Cessna 172. It just depends if you like high-wing or low-wing.
Just so you know, the United States Air Force Auxiliary has a fleet of 550 Cessna's and flies SAR and ER daily. It is the worlds largest fleet of Cessna's and probably of all aircraft. Lt. Col. Clark
You missed the Beechcraft Musketeer series. They are some of the least expensive four-place certified airplanes available. The series includes the 150 HP Sport, the 165 HP Musketeer and Custom, the 180 HP Sundowner, the 200 HP Super, and the 200 HP retractable Sierra. Some Supers and Sierras also came built as six seaters. They may not be as attractive looking as some others, but they’re well built with surprising useful load and performance for the cost.
You say that if you can afford a brand new Honda then you can afford to own your own plane. The only problem is that these planes are not new. They are probably 40 to 50 years old and and just like an old car you will be constantly pouring money into the old bird. The reality is that GA aircraft are not affordable. Bring the cost of a brand-new Cessna 172 down to less than 100k and then you can say it's affordable or at least for some people anyway.
You didn't get Spiro's idea. Paying today a price of NEW honda for an OLD aircraft brings you more problems tomorrow and it will drain your wallet quickly. How many people buy old cars for a daily usage? Almost none because they know those cars limits including lack of spare parts. So this is the same with aircraft. Plus driving a car actually hasn't changed too much but FAA/ICAO rules and requirement for flying have. So buying an old aircraft needs often some upgrades which increases the final price of the bird.
Irrelevant. Aircraft need to be maintained nigh-religiously, whereas most cars are abused and neglected to the point they're scrap in 10-20 years. You are making excuses to complain. Grow up.
Wow I never would have thought about Grumman, I really like that plane for the mission of affordable and fast XC flying with good luggage capacity. I'd like it to be IFR capable but I'm really interested in this plane. Thanks Mojo!
I'm using a 152 for example but I'd set up a per hours leaseback at 80% of what the school charges, figure the annual + engine time and work out the cost per hour. The school keeps the tank full and add in the oil changes exc, so for example you come up with $40/hr cost, charge $45/hr. Should be close if you add in everything. Payment 400/month, overhaul 2,000 hours $15,000 so say $10/hr for motor use, go through everything.
Taking my PPL-A, the school has 172's and 182's and they are preety nice, they're the G1000 models, but I went online and found a 1992 C172 for only 23k€, I spent about 1000€ on a full checkup, had a few things missing and I reupholstered the seats, but it was really cheap. I shared the costs with 4 of my mates that were also taking the license, and we'd pay for fuel individually, then divide the maintenance, insurance, tiedown, etc... 10 months later, has almost paid itself back, and there are more people who I rent the airplane to. So yes my friends, plane sharing is an investment worth while
I started in Grummans. They're fast and fun, but they're not as forgiving as the 150. If you lose the engine, they don't plummet out of the sky, but you'd better have something to land on nearby. Stall can develop into spins with a little inattention, while it takes quite an effort to get a 150 to spin. Grummans aren't particularly unsafe, but the 150 is a better choice for a beginner. Another problem with two-seat Grummans is they're cramped. They were too small for me (at 6'4"), and I had to move to the four-seat Cheetah to accomodate my legs. Besides, when you're building time, you're looking for low bucks-per-hour, and speed isn't important. A few extra minutes per leg will build that time in your logbook.
@@pjhudson5344 That's a really bad idea in the era of computer-tracked information. It's too easy to get caught. This guy got four years probation in federal court for using falsely-logged time to get an instrument rating: wcfcourier.com/news/local/update-student-pilot-gets-probation-for-false-records/article_c8855eea-ec5c-11e1-9d12-0019bb2963f4.html
Grumman AA5A has a laminar wing hence the better performance but because of that is is much less forgiving and will stall at a higher airspeed. That being said it is my choice for personal use.
Flying 4 Film I’m currently flying a 172 with a bore kit in it and I love it amazing plane to learn in really forgiving good luck man :) I’m in the process of buying the plane in my profile pic (citabria 7kcab 1968
He actually shows the entire line of Sonex aircraft. The Sonex, Waiex, Zenos and SubSonex. You won't find that jet powered Sonex for under 100,000 big ones. You also show the Onex, the one with folding wings. That only holds one person.
As long as we're including kit planes I'd toss in the Zenith CH 750 STOL not because it's fast, not because it's sexy, but because it's cheap, easy to fly and can take off in about 100 feet.
You forgot to mention the Piper Tomahawk which I know got some unfair tags placed on it, but any airplane can labeled dangerous if not flown correctly, and it can be just as affordable as these other examples. Thanks for the video.
Hay Mike - I fact checked all of these on trader, brainstorm, and canopy - all of them are pretty much 56-75 now. Some owners hang on to that sentiment!
Meme Flu has really ruined everything. These prices would have been true upto 2019 But now as everything Aviation especially has inflated and plane prices are up the roof. Someone at my airfield got C120 for 20k before 2019 and same plane has doubled now
I'm sorry, where is maintenance cost factored here? That's why those planes are so cheap. Within 2 years or couple hundred FH/FC (depends on what You buy) You're facing maintenance bills which will dwarf initial buying cost. If You hit a major overhaul, You're doomed :) ------------------------------------ In western EU (prices are similar in US, I suppose) C172 class : Instrument check 400-1000 euro Insurance 1200-4000 euro (depends on A/C and pilot) Engine overhaul/rebuild 16-25k euro (every 1200-2200 FH) (rotax 9xx or IO-360 class) 100 FH check 1000 -3000 euro (If everything is ok, when You add repair cost or NDT or structural job or anything else, bills will be a lot bigger) Prop overhaul (1000 FH) - 800- 1500 euro Prop new - 4000 euro+ Euro/USD exchange ratio: ~1 / 1.2 ----------------------------------------------- Buying a budget A/C is similar to buying a budget car. Most likely You won't keep Your 15-20 yo car because of maintenance cost and personal safety. That's exactly why A/C owners are getting rid of them. Don't fall for it. On the other hand: teach Your kids flying. They will never have enough money for drugs :D
I think the costs you mentioned are over inflated. We get a pitot static check for $250 here in FL, USA. I am with Mike Bush of the EAA and overhaul when the shows signs of significant wear, such as low compression. You can also mitigate fixed costs by taking on partners.
Pitot static inspection alone is $250. It's one of many instruments, isn't it? What about others electromechanical insturmentation, not to mention getting all the electronics inspected or upgraded (software)?
Ansset0 - the pitot static inspection is a calibration test performed every other year. Typically a pre-buy inspection should point out any other shortcomings.
Mike, you mentioned that the Grumman AA1A has a 1000 lb useful load. It’s typical empty weight is 1018 lbs and gross weight is 1500 lbs. useful load would therefore be 482 lbs. You also said it had a long range. Ain’t true Mike. I checked out in one years and recall about a 22 gallon tank. At 6GPH that’s about 3.5 hours. Oh, and Mike, it’s Barnstormers.com, not Brainstormers😊
I have at one time or another many budget airplanes but the ones I always like was the Gruman or the Cessna 177 both are sporty and fast for the lower cost airplanes and usually get the 177 for less than the 172.
That was 4 years ago. In 2022 you can find them in the junkyard for that amount if $$, even 1966C150 asking above $50k which is very higher than Vref..better buy a Vans RV12...
October 2018- Barnstormers- Sonex Aircraft search. WOW! Built airframe- complete- $8,700. Aero Vee FW w/50 hours- $5,500 OBO. Is it me, but, you can have a flying 'new' plane for $15,000? I'm amazed at how inexpensive these are, and, since I'm NOT strong at finishing projects, I really, really like the availability of mostly complete projects. As a father of four, "Some Assembly Required" causes me to break into sweats, but, including shipping- this is a real opportunity for 2 seat, flying JOY. Just saying...
My Cessna 150m costs me $20k to buy, which is $350/month on loan. $35/month tie down. About $650/year insurance because I am new student pilot. $1200/year inspection (plus parts) Biggest cost... the instructor and gas prices going up. Maybe in a few years, $5000 for a rebuilt engine because mine is at 1450 time on engine. 1979 Cessna 150M IFR rated, with complete dual, two channel radio's. Probably over $10k in radios included. The guy I bought it from had a baby on the way, and NEEDED to sell it ASAP.
$40,000 HomeBuilt Airplane czcams.com/video/K9PuYZYxk0Y/video.html
Could you do a video like this on helicopters
@dany mustang 2 homebuilt. But you dont want to fly more than 4 hours at a time without stopping it gets a little rough.
40K home build no newer max need be 10-20K only if need build in home too. ready to use can buy 40 000
how does this handle in severe thunderstorm ?
@@TheDrakulie just like any plane you will avoid any Cumulonimbus clouds and convective activity
This video flows better at 1.25x speed. Give it a try.
You are right thats normal 😂
More like 2x lol
But then he is high pitched
At .75x he sounds like hes drunk or on sedatives lol
Jonathan Ball yeah
Wow. A Top 5 video that isn't click bait or stolen advertisements compiled together. A legitimate Top 5 video that actually delivers great content and has reasoning behind the list. This is what Top 5 videos should be like. THANK YOU!
Your so right dude😂👍🏻
172 likes, ironic :)
I was a bit disappointed that the Antonov 225 was not on there
Joseph G 123 YT hahahahah
I just saw this comment has 666 likes
I’m 16, waiting to be 17 and literally counting everyday just so i could apply for my PPL. I been saving up for 4 years now and i just want to achieve my dream, as much as people make fun of my dreams and call it “ out of reach “ i still believe in myself, stay positive people and pray for me hehe :P
UPDATE: i'm 18 now, i got my PPL almost 3 weeks ago, me and a friend bought a Cessna 152 and we are having ALOT of fun every time we fly over the city, there's something magical about it and every time we take off there's a feeling i can't even describe.. i want to tell anyone reading this, please don't ever give up.. time will take care of things as long as you're working for them.
thank you guys for your prayers.
GL!
That’s good you’re focused at your age! Back when I was 17 my dreams were convoluted, and I wish I would have buckled down and focused on aviation while I had scholarships. Now is the best time to pursue aviation!
So, have you got it yet?
@@atomictrash2784 good question
Pilot-respect
I bought a C150 for under $20K. My first annual? $450 owner assist. My insurance? $475/yr. Tiedown? $75/mo. Gas? 5 gal/hr. So while you narrow minded naysayers are attempting to show how much you know about why these planes won't work I'm actually doing it and having the time of my life flying over you while you wallow in negativity. C ya! Wouldn't want to be ya!
Eric Woods Tyson thank you☺
Eric Woods Tyson thank you☺
My insurance allows me to charge up to 4 named pilots at no extra charge. Also when you leaseback to my flight school we pay the $350/mo insurance, tiedown, 100 hour inspections and give you $500/month on a Cherokee 140.
Eric Woods where did you buy the 150?
5 gallons an hour is still around $25 an hour and you can go what, 130 mph and your max range is what 400 miles? A car may be half as slow but it's far cheaper and far safer and you don't need special permissions every time you want to leave and arrive.
The Cessna 150 is lierally the ford ranger of the sky.
Well built, light, easy to use and maintain, a solid engine, lasts forever, and discontinued by the manufacturer but still going strong... you aren't far off!
mango ford rangers suck! they wont pull jetski. fix or repair daily ford!
i didn't think you had to pull the fenders off a Cessna to change spark plugs?...
i used to tow a 16 foot fiberglass bass boat with a ranger
A Ford Ranger steers like a pig.
There are many viable aircraft out there for an average man or woman to afford IF they really want to. These include factory as well as homebuilt aircraft. For the sake of perspective I will define 'average" by my standards..$35,000.00 -$50,000.00.
Flying does not have to be expensive but it take money and priority. It is not like so many " hobbies" that you can set aside and the expense goes away.
Entry level license will take from $ 4K to 10K. This can be paid over time throughout training.This is a basic license. Add endorsements and rating and up you go expense wise all the way around in the form of staying current.
A basic but good airplane can be had for the previously mentioned prices and go waaay up to infinity but again we are talking about average income pilots doing thus for personnel reasons..not commercial.
If you have an airplane...metal or fabric covered...hangar it. A lot of folks tie down outside but over a much shorter period of time wear results and that cost more than hangar rent in the long run.
Also..amature built does not necessarily mean less expensive in any form though if you are familiar with how an airplane is built or are willing to learn..their cost can be offset to varying degrees.
ALL aircraft require maintenance..no exceptions.
Let's do a break down of sorts.
Aircraft .. $22,000.00
Hangar....$100.00 to $300.00 per month.
Fuel....... $3.00 to $6.00 per gallon...5 to 10 gph fuel burn.
Oil...$3.00 to $8.00 per quart
General maintenance on tires..brakes..engine...airfeame can be from $15.09 per hour to over $50.09 per hour depending on different factors such as engine manufacturer..time on engine and airframe..care from previous owners etc. These figures include fixed expenses for yearly aircraft inspections.
Flight review every 2 years.. $209.00 to $500.00 ( high side).
These are basic rounded figures and that being said..will scare a lot of people...Now..to justify them...sort of.
If you want to fly...how passionate are you?
Instead of a moderately priced car...there is your airplane...instead of smoking and Friday nights..there is your hangar and maintenance....instead of eating out everyday for work...pack a lunch and snacks ..there is your flight time.
If you have other hobbies that you don't want to give up to fly then you have made your decision and that is good for you. If you have some interests that you are willing to cut back on it trade for your desire to fly...then you might just find a whole new world of perspective of family and friends that share your passion and will change your life and experiences forever.
Welcome to the clouds, flyin breakfasts, new horizons, sunsets and sunrises. WELCOME TO FLYING.
Doran Jaffas Well said Sir! Well said.
Kal Mian Forgot I wrote that. Thanks. The 09 was supposed to be 00. type error but again.. thanks.
I flew my Cygnet SF2A this past Sunday. First flight since December here in Michigan. Still can't get the grin off my face😀😀😀
waaaa, dude, you convinced me, I will buy my plane in the future, but its engine will be electric, I do not want fuel or oil or dammed maintenance crap in my plane
Wow my guy. I'm 28 and this is a goal for me by 35. Holy carp! This comment truly inspires me. I don't have a license yet but your few words really put this in perspective for me and the sky ahead. I appreciate it. And I'm excited to begin discovering the great blue yander!
Thank you. Now I certainly will buy a plane!
Anything made in the 70's will have maint costs. It's part of the fun. Think positive, be happy, live life. I was made in the '60's and I have maint. costs too!!
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@john wayne gacey , lmao
Ok boomer
Aircraft have annuals on maintenance each year so they are in pretty good shape. Plus he left off on on any aircraft you buy you have a certified aircraft mechanic power plant and airframe go over the entire aircraft and then a commercial pilot certified in that model of plane fly it to make sure their are no issues. Yes it's 1000 to 2000 dollars depending on where the plane is but better then buying a hunk of noon flying junk
amen brother!!
This is a well done presentation. Well written, very good camera work and the speaker does a fine job. The information is accurate and thoughtful and overall, it's close to a five, out of five.
Just go to your local airport...... A lot of airports sell used aircraft. At my local airport there is a 152 for 11,000.
No Name I live right by the airport when I drive by the airport I see planes at the airport, sometimes the airport airplanes are for sale at the airport
what airport
wow that's awesome
Yes that is possible. But it will be on condition (engine over 2000 hrs) and probably need avionics or other work. Think $20k as a min for a decent type approves aircraft.
No Name that 152 is probably an unairworthy death trap.
Nice video. I have a C150 and upgraded it to be IFR because of Northern California weather. After owning it for 18 years, I am considering selling due to health. It was nice to see your video and makes me wish for my younger days.
P and S how much were you thinking about selling it for? A few of my buddies were thinking about buying a C150 for flight training and time building.
Its worth about 26k. Has about 100hrs SMOH. Full IFR. I would like to get 20k. I have invested over 30k in avionics and engine overhaul. prosharealty at gmail com
anime equals douchebag. Email is in above post. We will consider. As the video shows these are great planes.
@@1aday2008 still have it? lehenson@msn com
I owned a Cessna 172 for a number of years. It was a blast! I flew it to 14 states. The 172 is easy to fly and is the cheapest way to stay in the air. The fixed gear and fixed prop lowers the maintenance and insurance cost. As others have commented on, yes there are maintenance costs. You can dramatically reduce this cost if you are willing to get your hands dirty. Find a mechanic that does free lance work instead of going to the FBO for your annual inspections. There are plenty of mechanics doing work on the side for extra cash. Do as much maintenance yourself as the FAA allows. It is cheaper and you learn a lot about how the plane is built. This makes you a safer pilot. I fail to understand why fewer people are learning to fly each year. It is much more relaxing and fun to fly your own plane than to drive the interstates or fly commercial.
John Hempel I would think some of it is the economy the past several years and maybe the millennial factor similar to what’s happening in the motorcycling world. Also stats says large portion of millennials aren’t interested in even getting a drivers license!
Could the average person be able to afford a 172?
This is a brand new world for me, how much was your insurance?
Barely afford rent these days, no good jobs anymore. I had to sell my motorcycle because I couldn’t afford the insurance anymore. Don’t know if it’s cheaper down in the States or not. But in Ontario, Canada it’s getting to hard.
Oh yeah, Do your own Oil Changes, get an A/P that will let you do basics, and sign off on it, and for an annual, do all of the Prep work yourself so all the A/P has to do is come in and do the inspection and you save a boatload of money.
Cessna 150/152: taking bird strikes in the rear since the 1950s.
Lol
What? Elaborate please.
EDIT: Oooh, nevermind! lol
I literally flew one backwards C-150 8355U(ground speed anyway)during private pilot check ride in 95. Really windy day 25 knots gusting to 35 straight down runway that day. Examiner gave me headings and altitudes during foggle or instrument part of practical exam, and said "ok look outside now" I looked at ground and we were flying backwards(in relationship to ground speed). It was pretty freaking cool!
Heck Yes! Can't go wrong with a 150/152. I did all of my private training in a 1976 152 and I fell in love with it. Great little airplanes.
Yes, I will gladly second that!!! Did my training in a 1978 152. In some ways, I like it more than the school's 4 172s. They have a 2006 172SP, which I've flown a few times with an instructor, and it feels like I'm getting into a Rolls Royce with expensive leather, after having flown the 152! 😃 .....but still the lighter, "crisper" 152 feels like more "fun" and "nimble" to fly!
The only aircraft I ever got to actually fly (Young Eagles back in the day) was a 150. You can be pretty short and still see over the instrument panel, which is nice! (alas, the eyes are junk, so I can't get a PPL)
So no A380 then? Pity...
lmao
Nah man I was hoping for an F-18 ;)
The A380 is on his next video of planes under $20-000
A380 is for poor people.
No
as an A&P student / Assistant, the 150(2) is crazy easy to do Annuals on.
How about the 172?? Just as easy, or at least close??
What does that mean, "its forgiving"
Me: *hits plane out of rage
Me: " oh, I'm so sorry baby"
Plane: "it's ok, I forgive you". *. *It’s a joke
I will assume this is an honest question. It means if you screw up as a pilot, the plane is easier to recover.
It means the plane wants to correct itself, this is because of the stable nature of high wing designs also you won’t need the extra maintenance on fuel pumps because the fuel can flow fine using gravity
Both Cessna 172 and Cessna 152 are statically and dynamically stable. If you are in a bad spot, let go of the controls and the plane will sort itself. In other words, the plane isn't trying to kill you.
Thanks for the question and all the comments. I thought it was my English problem. Now I’m totally understand.
Me: that damage is beyond allowable limits per 43.13.-1A/1B and Amm. Thats gonna cost ya
I’ve been playing Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and now I want a Cessna 172
I helped a friend get a little 142 flight worthy and he bought it for 10grand and put about 200 bucks in parts in it. It's got half an old vw bug motor literally a 4cyl boxer cut in half. Pretty crazy
im thefuckinglizardking lol nice username
i also heard about a guy that built his own WWI replica biplane using a lawnmower engine
I got my Warrior for 20k. Sure there are maintenance costs, but I got it for under 30k. And it is SO FUN to fly!
Andrew Craner is that easy to ride ?? how to get liscence for that bro?
I'm a welder and thinking about building an airplane... Idk what I'm getting myself into
David - The piper warrior is very easy to fly, just get with an instructor and get going! They'll walk you through the entire process. Plan on around $7500 and 2 to 6 months.
Gregory - Having a welding background will definitely be beneficial, but the majority of an aircraft is riveted together. If I were to build an airplane, I'd go with a Vans RV.
www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-building.htm
Pick the plane you want for the mission you will be flying, and have fun!
Join the Experimental Aircraft Association and you will find out everything you need to know. Go to Oshkosh air show.
If you dream of being an airline pilot just go here in my country Philippines. You're allowed to fly up to 1500 hours as pilot in command the flying school fee would range 2 million-5 million pesos (32k-60k). Package would include private pilot license, single engine rating, instrumentation rating, multi engine rating, ground school and they would help you get type rated for airbus a320 family. Food and lodging included with the tuition it is usually 8-12 months to complete cheers!
I actually just bought the exact Warrior in the video. N1776J
so how was the video's estimate of cost? Please share with us. Along with unexpected costs?
0justLook $21,500 for the plane. $8,700 for the IFR radio upgrades.
Congrats on getting your own plane, and I wish you many years of safe flying. (I hope you were not in the majority of trolls..Oops, I meant "commenters"... who think the video title said "Airplanes you can buy, maintain, overhaul, insure, and keep fuel in for life under $30,000".)
Sassy The Sasquatch the little low wing. White with redish orange striping on the body and winga
Brendan Hobson cool tail number. ‘Murica
Great video! The affordability of the zillions of 172's out there, help to keep the prices of 150's and 152's well within reach of community-airport pilots who want their own simple flyabout planes. I wish you'd included the Alon Aircoupe in this list.
Good video, thanks for making it! I totally agree about the Grumman: low-wing aircraft just look "cooler" (more aggressive, faster, sportier) than high-wing aircraft. I think I prefer the look of the Piper, but the Grumman has a really distinctive look, so I can understand someone preferring it over the Piper.
We just bought a Piper Warrior II for 35K but it had a Garmin 430. Awesome plane for us to build time in. Love your videos great job!
i would recommemd the piper cherokee, it is a very solid plane, easy steering, and lands beautifully
Yes, the low wing pipers are supposedly “easier” to fly than even the docile Cessnas. Even though I have my Commercial Pilot Certificate and Instrument rating, with over 400 hours, I have never flown the Pipers (or any low wing aircraft for that matter). All I’ve flown is 172s (M, SP and RG) and 152s
I like low wing better because when landing the wing doesn't block your view while turning like the high wing of the 150/172.
0:38 the Cessna 152 is the same thing but more fuel efficient and newer. Oh and it also has a fixed tricycle gear
Mike, I'm not a pilot but love airplanes...your voice and was you describe these aircraft is great...good job..held my interest
“I would trade my Honda Accord for this airplane any day” had me dying 😂
Part II. 5 Personal Airplanes You Can Buy For Less Than $20,000 czcams.com/video/Xi1sy93c_Xg/video.html
I live in the UK.
1993 I got my PPL and a Cessna 150, bought very used for less than the price of a 2nd hand car... Sold it 2 years later to the flying school after converting to helicopters and bought a Robinson R22 which I still own and fly today.
OMG... I'd never be able to afford to start from scratch today.
That is because of what your country has turned into!! But Boris Johnson is back at the helm (Britain’s version of Trump). So maybe there is hope for your country after all??
I know that the Grumman Cheetah AA-5A is a 4 place plane and 30K for one is a bit of a stretch but a wonderfully comfortable, and safe airplane worthy of consideration. Other experimental planes such as these designed by Burt Rutan pusher design with cruising speeds just shy of 200mph. Varieze under 15K long ez and the Cozy 3under 30K.
Why all the negative comments? If you choose not to fly or learn to fly, it’s up to you? Flying and owning an older airplane is really no more expensive than buying a new Harley touring bike, a cheap sports car or racing at a local track.
Guys don’t whine about the cost of owning, modifying or maintaining those things, and they sure don’t calculate cost per hour of riding and drinking.
Be smart about your purchase, find a mechanic to work with, learn and make your fun affordable and safe.
Very helpful, well spoken, clear and knowledgeable. Must watch for new/interested ga aircraft seekers
I'm a 15 year old looking into aviation and this was very helpful
If you get a 172, get a S series. It has far more power and the heavier engine actually makes it easier to recover from stalls and land, as unlike lighter C172's, it doesn't like to float and glide as much. Trust me, it took me forever to get my landings down on the standard C172, but after two landings in the S-series, I was nailing them.
Thank You Mike. Your videos are always informative, fair, and unbiased. Keep up the good work. Inspiring one to fly could be life-changing encouragement for some ppl. You may never know how your work changes lives for the better. Ignore, delete, block the haters.
Also, do you have a video on the Two styles of Sonics? One has a V-Tail, and appears to have a Jet engine??? Or could you make one??
I'll def try and make one. Constantly checking for owners and builders close to me. Thanks.
The jet engine is not a certified engine for the kit.
Sonex is located in Oshkosh wis home of eaa. It's a great little kit plane. My step father wanted me to build one but I went a different direction.
They do have a lot of options, even a motor glider if I remember right.
Good video, Mike! Thanks for the effort, look for valid suggestions in comments, ignore mean spirited comments, and please continue to develop your channel.
We have a 1966 Cessna 150 up here in North Dakota for only $12,000. It has been in storage since 2014 on the farm.
Hey Mike, great video, some people might see some discrepancies like the "over inflated prices" comments however I think that overall your video gives good info.
My one tip is that although your video is about airplane prices and not maintenance cost you should have mentioned having a little caution with the maintenance needs of these older aircraft and how the price can change drastically depending on how much time is on the engine, actually you might want to do a future video on the hidden cost of buying a plane.
No. There's really no need to do that at all. The process of getting licensed takes months and thousands of dollars, only to then need to spend tens of thousands on a plane.
If you're stupid enough to expect a ten minute video to be all you need to know, you're too stupid to make decisions.
How about this?
A Sonex with a full, nose to tail, Delta Wing? A lot of square feet of Wing Area and very slippery, maybe retracks? Evelons, rudder, really simple controls.
150 or 172 depending on student/instructor fatniss
Grumman A1AA: Max load about 500LBS. Quirky stall characteristics, have to stay on the power when landing. Designed by Bede before Grumman took it over. Fuel tanks are the main wing spar that is a pipe. Two to 2.5 hour range. Mike, I think your were looking at the specs for the A5AA Traveler. Hard to get for $30K unless it is time to re-engine or similliar additional costs. I do love all the Grumman's looks. They are sporty!!
This is true and now is actually the time. The people who bought all the aircraft during the boom from the 50s to the 70s are all ageing out. There are a lot of useful aircraft coming up for sale with a lot of good hours left in them and very good prices. I reckon there will be a mini boom as a result.
Perhaps on the Grumman the author was confusing an AA1 with a Tiger, the AA1 has 450lbs useful. from review: "The AA1B has a basic useful load of more than 450 pounds. While not great, it beats the rest of the AA1 lineup by 50 to 90 pounds. Produced between 1973 and 1976,"
I learned to fly on a 150... the aerobatic version would be interesting... prefer taildraggers.
When you take into consideration the Sonex has Removable wings ...there goes your hangerage and parking cost.... So in the long run it wiil save you on operating cost $$$$
Got my certification in 1993. Can’t wait to get current again
I don't understand the hate you receive. I think this video does exactly what it claims to do, gives five examples of planes you can pick up for $30k.
"But what about maintenance??? RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!"
I don't even understand this argument. Anyone in the market knows used aircraft aren't like used cars off some dealer's lot and will require some additional costs to make the bird airworthy. SMH
Well, I neither don't understand. However, the same video including yearly budget (even approximately) would be great. I already have the $30,000 but how much should I save for an average operating budget, saying 2 h a week?
Araye “REEEEEE” 😂😂
Buying the airplane is the least expense. The annual fixed costs for my Kitfox was $3600 for hangar, about $1200 for insurance, and about $900 for the annual condition inspection. You can mitigate some of these costs. For example at our glider club we purchased a full A/C covers since we have to store them outside. Those cost about $1500 a set. Insurance for tail draggers is more expensive. My last owner assisted annual cost me a good bottle of wine as a gift for my A&P hangar mate.
Brainstormer? You mean barnstormers?
I can tell you're between the age of 9 and 15, because you say "Reeee".....
"I would trade my honda accord for one of these any day"
driving a honda accord (profuse sweating)
That seam in the windscreen on the Sonex would drive me crazy. I owned a Cessna Hawk XP for a number of years. It had the good manners of a 172, but had an extra 50 hp so it climbed like a homesick angel. It saw a ton of use in airborne search & rescue and mountain flying classes. It's a great platform for both uses.
One thing the video doesn't provide much info about -- and SHOULD -- is maintenance and repairs. Yes, you can buy an older airplane for bargain prices, but you're also going to be looking at timed-life components needing replacement, potential corrosion issues, etc. It's easy to end up spending many thousands of dollars you didn't plan on when a mechanic finds an issue during an annual inspection. So, if you buy an airplane, be sure you sock away enough cash (hopefully before you buy) to take care of unplanned expenses because they WILL show up.
I like the wings above the cockpit because they allow you to see the ground better. Where I live, flying is the best way to see the beautiful landscape
Think ill just get a paramotor lol
“Brain starmer” lol
He says the same in other videos.
Came here to say this. Like dude......how? How do you get this one so wrong. Lol.
Otherwise good video
I love the Cherokee 140; I've flown Arrows, Warriors, and the Cessna 150/172s. For some reason, I just love the 140. To each their own I suppose...
Excellent videos. These types of videos are not normally this well done. But you gave some good options with videos and specs. Thanks!
The three “F” rule. If it Flies, Floats or F*cks, RENT IT! Trust me, I’m an aircraft mechanic.
"F*ucks"
You have my trust
wise mans words.. wish I had read that before I married 🙄
dude is not even lying!
What about airplanes like a Pitts.. smith mini... baby Great Lakes.. sorry I just really love cheap small biplanes
Pitts will be over 50k minimum.
Their is one fully acrobatic 2 seat with a canopy that will be around 30 to 35k but I can't think of name of company
I'm building a Sonex and working on my private pilot license! The Sonex is a fantastic plane and I'm glad to see you giving it some spotlight!
I started super cub but flew my first cross country solo flying on a Grumman and I loved it!
The comments are sickening. It matters not what is said, the trolls HAVE to pouince on it with derision. He says "initial investment" and all the trolls - poor, sick human being who must downgrade everything and everyone just to make themselves appear "superior" (in their own eyes) - start with the "what about maintenance" and so on. Too dumb to even understand the words they hear, but the are so smart (in their pathetic little minds) that they have to tell everything "wrong". Disgusting bunch of negative people... LOOK AT THE TITLE: "5 Personal Airplanes You Can Buy For Less Than $30,000". It does NOT say "Airplanes you can buy, overhaul, maintain, put fuel in, and insure for life under $30,000"!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn’t include the Piper J3 Cub.
Or kitfox
And you missed the Midget Mustang.
Does anyone else feel like planes just have “that smell”. You know what I mean? Anyways great video, my family own a piper cherokee 180. Great airplane. Overall, it has a lot better weight and balance, and can take a lot more weight than a Cessna 172. It just depends if you like high-wing or low-wing.
Just so you know, the United States Air Force Auxiliary has a fleet of 550 Cessna's and flies SAR and ER daily. It is the worlds largest fleet of Cessna's and probably of all aircraft. Lt. Col. Clark
I'll trade my accord for a plane anyday 😂
:-$
Thanks mike. :)
You missed the Beechcraft Musketeer series. They are some of the least expensive four-place certified airplanes available. The series includes the 150 HP Sport, the 165 HP Musketeer and Custom, the 180 HP Sundowner, the 200 HP Super, and the 200 HP retractable Sierra. Some Supers and Sierras also came built as six seaters. They may not be as attractive looking as some others, but they’re well built with surprising useful load and performance for the cost.
Great video. Been dabbling in getting my Sports License and I gotta say, the feeling of flying and landing a plane is amazing!
Nice video thank you for making this. But please, please. It is Barnstormer---not, Brain-stormer.
You say that if you can afford a brand new Honda then you can afford to own your own plane. The only problem is that these planes are not new. They are probably 40 to 50 years old and and just like an old car you will be constantly pouring money into the old bird. The reality is that GA aircraft are not affordable. Bring the cost of a brand-new Cessna 172 down to less than 100k and then you can say it's affordable or at least for some people anyway.
You didn't get Spiro's idea. Paying today a price of NEW honda for an OLD aircraft brings you more problems tomorrow and it will drain your wallet quickly. How many people buy old cars for a daily usage? Almost none because they know those cars limits including lack of spare parts. So this is the same with aircraft. Plus driving a car actually hasn't changed too much but FAA/ICAO rules and requirement for flying have. So buying an old aircraft needs often some upgrades which increases the final price of the bird.
Irrelevant. Aircraft need to be maintained nigh-religiously, whereas most cars are abused and neglected to the point they're scrap in 10-20 years. You are making excuses to complain. Grow up.
The first and only airplane I’ve flown(with an instructor of course) is the Cessna 172.
Wow I never would have thought about Grumman, I really like that plane for the mission of affordable and fast XC flying with good luggage capacity. I'd like it to be IFR capable but I'm really interested in this plane. Thanks Mojo!
Plz make video for jet engines too
Leaseback is a bad idea, students are very hard on airplanes and guess who pays for the maintenance
I'm using a 152 for example but I'd set up a per hours leaseback at 80% of what the school charges, figure the annual + engine time and work out the cost per hour. The school keeps the tank full and add in the oil changes exc, so for example you come up with $40/hr cost, charge $45/hr. Should be close if you add in everything. Payment 400/month, overhaul 2,000 hours $15,000 so say $10/hr for motor use, go through everything.
Taking my PPL-A, the school has 172's and 182's and they are preety nice, they're the G1000 models, but I went online and found a 1992 C172 for only 23k€, I spent about 1000€ on a full checkup, had a few things missing and I reupholstered the seats, but it was really cheap. I shared the costs with 4 of my mates that were also taking the license, and we'd pay for fuel individually, then divide the maintenance, insurance, tiedown, etc... 10 months later, has almost paid itself back, and there are more people who I rent the airplane to. So yes my friends, plane sharing is an investment worth while
I started in Grummans. They're fast and fun, but they're not as forgiving as the 150. If you lose the engine, they don't plummet out of the sky, but you'd better have something to land on nearby. Stall can develop into spins with a little inattention, while it takes quite an effort to get a 150 to spin. Grummans aren't particularly unsafe, but the 150 is a better choice for a beginner. Another problem with two-seat Grummans is they're cramped. They were too small for me (at 6'4"), and I had to move to the four-seat Cheetah to accomodate my legs. Besides, when you're building time, you're looking for low bucks-per-hour, and speed isn't important. A few extra minutes per leg will build that time in your logbook.
or you just pencil whip that little book into shape like all the other kids working at the FBO, if your goal is merely add time to your logs.
@@pjhudson5344 That's a really bad idea in the era of computer-tracked information. It's too easy to get caught. This guy got four years probation in federal court for using falsely-logged time to get an instrument rating: wcfcourier.com/news/local/update-student-pilot-gets-probation-for-false-records/article_c8855eea-ec5c-11e1-9d12-0019bb2963f4.html
"C E S S N A I S M O M ' S C A R"
Ummm ill just make my own homemade airplane
Grumman AA5A has a laminar wing hence the better performance but because of that is is much less forgiving and will stall at a higher airspeed. That being said it is my choice for personal use.
I'm currently saving money to purchase either a 150 or 172 in the next 2 years. Great video.
Flying 4 Film I’m currently flying a 172 with a bore kit in it and I love it amazing plane to learn in really forgiving good luck man :) I’m in the process of buying the plane in my profile pic (citabria 7kcab 1968
no ac-130? cheap and affordable
What about the ercoupe?
Super informative Mike, thanks!!
The only plane I have flown was a Cherokee Arrow 2 over twenty years ago. Nice plane.
9:19 wait that doesn’t look like it sits 2
one on the top of the cockpit
He actually shows the entire line of Sonex aircraft. The Sonex, Waiex, Zenos and SubSonex. You won't find that jet powered Sonex for under 100,000 big ones. You also show the Onex, the one with folding wings. That only holds one person.
very nice videogot some tips
As long as we're including kit planes I'd toss in the Zenith CH 750 STOL not because it's fast, not because it's sexy, but because it's cheap, easy to fly and can take off in about 100 feet.
The 172 is the safest plane you can get for that price, also with all the expenses you'd be paying around 5-10k a year plus the cost of the plane
This is all true; but guys, remeber, these fixed costs are the smallest amounts in your investment. Maintenance is pricey ;O
I happen to hold an A&P license. Should that help the cost a bit?
no shit maintanence is pricey, anyone buying an aircraft knows that
How about the piper tomahawk
Antonio Rodriguez. The piper tomahawk is a piece of shit.
Ron Johnson yea ive had lots of ppl complain about it but I did my pvt and instrument rating on it. But I've heard it's also a scary one to spin
That's why it's commonly referred to as the "Tramahawk."
Shaun Daskam I never had a issue with it and yes I've heard that before fly one maybe youlle like it
Antonio Rodriguez. I love the Piper Tomahawk, got many hours in them, hell I even got 5 radio control Tomahawks.
You forgot to mention the Piper Tomahawk which I know got some unfair tags placed on it, but any airplane can labeled dangerous if not flown correctly, and it can be just as affordable as these other examples. Thanks for the video.
Hay Mike - I fact checked all of these on trader, brainstorm, and canopy - all of them are pretty much 56-75 now. Some owners hang on to that sentiment!
Meme Flu has really ruined everything.
These prices would have been true upto 2019
But now as everything Aviation especially has inflated and plane prices are up the roof. Someone at my airfield got C120 for 20k before 2019 and same plane has doubled now
I'm sorry, where is maintenance cost factored here? That's why those planes are so cheap.
Within 2 years or couple hundred FH/FC (depends on what You buy) You're facing maintenance bills which will dwarf initial buying cost. If You hit a major overhaul, You're doomed :)
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In western EU (prices are similar in US, I suppose) C172 class :
Instrument check 400-1000 euro
Insurance 1200-4000 euro (depends on A/C and pilot)
Engine overhaul/rebuild 16-25k euro (every 1200-2200 FH) (rotax 9xx or IO-360 class)
100 FH check 1000 -3000 euro (If everything is ok, when You add repair cost or NDT or structural job or anything else, bills will be a lot bigger)
Prop overhaul (1000 FH) - 800- 1500 euro
Prop new - 4000 euro+
Euro/USD exchange ratio: ~1 / 1.2
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Buying a budget A/C is similar to buying a budget car. Most likely You won't keep Your 15-20 yo car because of maintenance cost and personal safety. That's exactly why A/C owners are getting rid of them.
Don't fall for it.
On the other hand: teach Your kids flying. They will never have enough money for drugs :D
Ha, your last statement is so true ;D
I think the costs you mentioned are over inflated. We get a pitot static check for $250 here in FL, USA. I am with Mike Bush of the EAA and overhaul when the shows signs of significant wear, such as low compression. You can also mitigate fixed costs by taking on partners.
Pitot static inspection alone is $250. It's one of many instruments, isn't it? What about others electromechanical insturmentation, not to mention getting all the electronics inspected or upgraded (software)?
Ansset0 - the pitot static inspection is a calibration test performed every other year. Typically a pre-buy inspection should point out any other shortcomings.
Mike, you mentioned that the Grumman AA1A has a 1000 lb useful load. It’s typical empty weight is 1018 lbs and gross weight is 1500 lbs. useful load would therefore be 482 lbs. You also said it had a long range. Ain’t true Mike. I checked out in one years and recall about a 22 gallon tank. At 6GPH that’s about 3.5 hours. Oh, and Mike, it’s Barnstormers.com, not Brainstormers😊
“Brainstormers”. Heh
Definately needs an edit.
Heard it 3 times I think? ......It's "BARNSTORMERS"!
www.barnstormers.com/
and GrOmmen
I have at one time or another many budget airplanes but the ones I always like was the Gruman or the Cessna 177 both are sporty and fast for the lower cost airplanes and usually get the 177 for less than the 172.
That was 4 years ago. In 2022 you can find them in the junkyard for that amount if $$, even 1966C150 asking above $50k which is very higher than Vref..better buy a Vans RV12...
The number 1 way to die is to fly around in home built uncertified plane
booquorfus so make sure you only buy certified kits
more people die in cars, nonetheless don't buy sight unseen & keep it all maintained.
Top death traps for under 30,000 dollars!
October 2018- Barnstormers- Sonex Aircraft search. WOW! Built airframe- complete- $8,700. Aero Vee FW w/50 hours- $5,500 OBO. Is it me, but, you can have a flying 'new' plane for $15,000? I'm amazed at how inexpensive these are, and, since I'm NOT strong at finishing projects, I really, really like the availability of mostly complete projects. As a father of four, "Some Assembly Required" causes me to break into sweats, but, including shipping- this is a real opportunity for 2 seat, flying JOY. Just saying...
My Cessna 150m costs me $20k to buy, which is $350/month on loan. $35/month tie down. About $650/year insurance because I am new student pilot. $1200/year inspection (plus parts) Biggest cost... the instructor and gas prices going up. Maybe in a few years, $5000 for a rebuilt engine because mine is at 1450 time on engine.
1979 Cessna 150M
IFR rated, with complete dual, two channel radio's. Probably over $10k in radios included.
The guy I bought it from had a baby on the way, and NEEDED to sell it ASAP.