Soldering Station JBC or I2c. Is it any good. 7 Different tips and 3 Handles
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Thank you for the honest overview. Just by looking at your interaction with the device it's clear that the display needs to be pointing forward, maybe slightly upwards. But having to tilt it towards you while working to see what the hell is going on is a total no-go for me. 😁
I agree, but that would not be a big deal in my opinion if the station did not have the quirks i talked about. Metal or heat resistant housing is a must so hot tips do not burn thru the plastic. Tip recognition is a very big deal. I was not able to use 3 out of the 7 tips because the station would not recognize them. This may be fixable with firmware update or tip redesign. Inserting and removing tips could be made a lot easier. I can't judge the quality of the tips in just 2 days, but i had a hard time sticking solder on some of the tips assuming those are wetting tips. Other then that, i thought the station build quality was not bad at all, and the performance was great using the micro tips. The handles are comfortable and the distance between the handle and tip is short and comparable with Weller. Viewers did not like the idea of this being a JBC look alike, while i do agree, I can overlook that if the station performed well. Maybe I2C can take what was said here with an open mind, fix the flaws and improve the station. Maybe then, we'll have something worth looking into.
@@NorthridgeFix when change the tip put the handle in the holder and take it out again should work than always
Giving an honest non kiss up review is very much appreciated. In a different capacity I was like you in my industry and for my honesty I was unpopular b/c I held the established brands to account for their obvious flaws. Admittedly it was a lonely place to be at times b/c sheep just believed b/c a product was made from a famous name brand that meant it was above criticism. Seeing this review make me like your approach even more than I already do. Just speak the truth and screw who's feelings it might hurt!!
Dude your are so helpful and I could honestly watch your videos for hours and hours . You would make such a good school teacher in terms of how you explain things with your pleasant demeanour. Great CZcams channel.
Thanks for the review. Im so glad to have a review from someone who is willing to speak the truth and who knows what a good machine should work. So very few reviews have that.
What did you end up buying ?
Good. Glad that happened. We do not need junk . No one needs a machine with problems.
I will continue to buy what you use and recommend 👌
Thank you Alex for an unbiased and honest review. Maybe this is something you could do more often. I bought the grinding pen after your review and now I will avoid I2C.
This is why i use original JBC stations and not a knock off look alike. ;) Costs premium money, but works good and reliable on a daily basis.
Hi Alex! I really like your videos, I`ve learned a lot from you! Your videos are not too long, not too short and not boring at all! Regarding those soldering stations, Weller is the best!!!
Well done, and thank you for this honest review. I am very interested in this machine, unfortunately it has too many flaws at the moment. I will definitely keep myself up to date on the improvements it may get though
Excellent review, I could watch these kinds of videos all day!
Looks like a pretty well designed station, hopefully they are able to fix the issues you brought up. Thanks for a detailed description of your pro's and con's.
Yes. JBC did all design, it's a copy.
Spent many years servicing digital camcorders and my JBC station was my go-to for smd work with A Metcal station for the larger jobs. Also had a very expensive Pace station which I never thought was worth the money.
There are two type of tips:
solder sticks to the tip
solder avoids the tip
, bet you got the nonstick tip. Weller has these as-well, nonstick and sticking.
In my experience, Weller is the best, you can hot-swap the tips and don't have to worry burning your fingers. But the price is quite high.
i didn't know that, i was thinking that was only about the quality of the tip.
Just googled abit, and weller calls it "wetting" and "non wetting (nw)".
I always leave solder on the tip when I turn my station off. Stops the tip oxidising and once turned back on and cleaned off looks nice and shiny and works perfectly.
“MagnaStat”?
it shares nothing with what happened in vid. He just didnt even calibrate tip temp and tip is burnt. u can see its gone blue meaning ~550C
Thanks for your honest review Alex! I have been using the JABE UD-1200 C245 for the past 2 years and have had amazing results vs JBC. I don’t use the knock off tips just JBC tips with my station. I was just in the market for a C115 / C210 station since JABE doesn’t offer a dual station. I’m going to stay away from I2C until I see quality like my JABE.
I can confirm each word. Jabe is a very good soldering station. The limitation about the only C245 is the only important lacking
We use the jabe UD1200 & love it for the 245 tips we also have a JC aihun T3B 115 station which is brilliant, mechanic do a 245,210,115 multi handle station which is brilliant BUT it also suffers from the plastic based tip puller/insertion issue but that's nothing a small piece of silicon mat in the compartment wouldn't solve but it doesn't have the same issues the i2c station has it recognises everything without issues. Definitely something worth considering.
I had a JBC digital and a Weller manual temp control. JBC all day but it was always easier to get Weller tips. But both do the job very well.
It's why I started buying the tools from him. Because I know when I get it it will work, cause he uses it.
He's extremely honest with his reviews.
I was very close to buying a i2c station for myself as JBC is not within my personal budget. I am very happy to see this video to discourage me from getting one.
On a separate note: My work place approved me to purchase a JBC rework station since the hakko 888D is not powerful enough to keep up with my current production soldering needs (will typically solder 4800 - 7000 thru-hole joints each day.)
I should be seeing my new station any day now. Maybe "Santa" will get me one for xmas this year if I like it :P
I got the same weller station, I quess thats how ole schoolers like us roll. I was using weller 30 years ago. Now you can't tell Me that there's anything better than a weller. Long lasting and good performance. I still can't believe that they would even send you that soldering station without testing it out themselves first. Nice review, had to give U a thumbs up on that one.
Subscribed to you, you have some nice DSOs on the channel banner. Will be looking forward to your videos. I have a TV problem personally and your channel looks like what I exactly need.
@@therealb888 Thank you sir.
I have been using similar clone station and I got the same issue as you did with the tips. BUT it only happened ones, till I learned the proper maner to operate with it. It seems you are forcing the tip against the soft material which is underneath the tip. Instead you have to take the tip to the metal strong hole (don't know how to explain it, it has 3 different shape holes) and after selecting the right shape for your tip, you can force it to enter the other part.
That error message is because the tool doesn't recognize the tip inserted
Great demonstration, thanks much! Hopefully they’ll take you expert advices.
I believe only issue with clones is their quality. But the only one that knows how well the soldering iron performs is one that has used few hundred or thousand dolar machine. Great work
i have a cheaper backup soldering iron similar to that and you often must wiggle the tip to get them to seat completely into the handle. You can use a silicone pad to grab tips while hot
I want to mention that blackness of the tips is due to the elevated temp, try 350 a good sufficient temp and see the difference , maybe the quality of tips , i have aixun t3A and above 350 the tips turns black witch let's the solder doesn't stick to the tips
Hello , i wanted to buy that device but it has such problems like that I will wait for a new update on that ! There is a dual version(for jbc 210 and jbc 115 tips ) of them I wanted to buy that ! But if they have so big problems that's a no go !
Thank you for this information and please keep it updated!
If you use it for a living, buy JBC. I've been using JBC products for almost 20 years. Worth every penny.
My other problem with the copies is the high cost of the original tips (as you'd probably what those over the compatibles) though the cost of the station might be more affordable....also if you look carefully the cost of the stations are getting costlier with every iteration (with every attempt to tack-on a JBC-style capability) bringing them closer and closer in price to the Original they're based on. Now even though you'd probably get more like two hand-pieces instead of one the same can be done to the single hand-piece JBC by adding an extension module while still maintaining JBC overall quality, reliability, performance and warranty (but of-course at a slightly higher cost).
Well that's unfortunate. Hopefully they don't jack up the price to the point it becomes meaningless to buy these clones.
As always love the honest opinion. Maybe it's very unfortunate that you had a faulty machine with the errors, or maybe it's early production? At a time where I'm looking to get a more reliable soldering iron, this video has been very helpful, thanks 😊
I bought a second hand Weller (WD1M) which supports all kinds of handles and thus all kinds of tips. New they are way too expensive, but if you are looking for a second hand one you will find one for a good price eventually ^-^
Thx for honest review , there is so many copy JBC products in the market but I do agree the quick is one of the better one out there in terms of aftermarket
I do a lot of (smd) soldering and my daily driver was a Weller. When it suddenly died on me a few years ago i got a cheap Ksger T12 from a friend so i could continue untill i got the Weller fixed.....
Now 3 years later, the Weller is still not working, just because the Ksger performed so good and still does.... I ordered 2 more for spare. Just saying...... a 50 bucks station performes just as good as the Weller but for a fraction of the costs.
I have looked at JBC , and ordered a Ersa Digital in Germany .
Ersa is a good machine
I had that machine but I used it with original jbc tips and it worked great
The Aixun T3A (JBC T245) and T3B (JBC T115 & T210 Tips) might be worth a look for your shop. I think if someone wants to use JBC tips they offer currently a great value for the money and the construction is pretty good.
We already carry and sell T3B
So with Aixun T3A station is possible to use OEM JBC tips I guess?
@@neshco Yes, absolutely.
love your professional integrity. if it doesn`t work 100% don`t buy/sell it.
Try to clean up the contact pins on the tips with alcohol or board cleaning liquid. They may be oxidized or dirty.
And, this is what a true review should look like.
great review sir ,, i use t245 , t12 , 936 with aixun t3a ,, but i like a t245 it's perfect,, tomorrow i will buy mechanic ma-sd 01 , are the two products the same and only re brand ?
If you are looking for a soldering station to carry, you might want to look at the Aixun T3A or T3B stations.
How about your solder lead? What's your favorite brand of it? And what percentage you use? 63/37 or 60/40
If you have some electronic knowledge and the time knowledge you can go for a Unisolder boards from tindie and with JBC (or clone) handles and a Chinese iron holder with tipchanger it does a very good job for me until now and you can get the whole thing done for like 200€. (I soldered the whole board myself through, but that is not a good idea on the money side).
You can just use original JBC tips with it then, through I have a mixture of chines tips and original JBCs and the quality does not seem different (there is only very limited number of different Chinese tips through). This machine btw. kind of looks like it could take original JBC cartridges too.
I do not use the iron very day all day through, so my tips maybe have like 40h use time on the lesser used ones and maybe 400h or so in the one I use most of the time (which actually is an original JBC one).
can you make a review on that solder station ? I am very interested in the dual version !
thank you for your video.
regards,
Alex,
Please use the thermal cam to compare actual Tip Temps of this one and the Weller.
I suspect this one is a lot hotter than it shows. That's how you removed an entire chip from one side.....?
Thank you for saving us! 😆
I have this station 12c. As soon it came one of the tips. Tje curvwd one burns out. Turn hot red. At 400 degrees. Then a " heating anomally" apears on the screen. The chinesse seller didn't want ro replace it until i send them the defective tip even when i show them a video of the tip turning red. I guess the tips should be used at medium twmperature for the first hours as a warm up time. The other 2 tips are good. Works fine but im going to buy original jbc tips as the tips of jbc are better. This is a budget unit if you dont want to spend more than 200dlls
Can you do a video on your hot tweezers I got some this year and did not realise how big they are!! I need ones like yours thanks for doing these videos 👍👍
your works is amazing!
I have soldering station JBC and that area where you exchange the tips is also plastic. But is not melt when the hot tip touches it. That is the difference between the original and copies.
thanks for the video - isn't 450 degrees a bit high to test those tips? they will oxidise quickly.
I got the same vibe as I got with the Bill Gates 'Blue Screen' debacle for Windows 98. It’s a work in progress but will be great when they’re fixed.
When you were removing the small caps/resistors you commented that you only needed to heat one side. I know this is a newbie question and might be a stupid one: if you’re heating the SMD to such a temperature that it transfers the heat to the other solder joint is there no chance of damaging the component?
I had the same thought/question.
Very good review. But i think its better to spent money on a good solderstation. It doesnt say that a "cheap" product is always bad but i think most times you buy cheap products, you always buy twice. Maybe they should revise their solderstation. And than sell it again.
Which weller station do you use?
Thank you for that video. Greets
Thanks for your review 🙂
I subscribe to your channel because of your honest review of the item. thumbs up
Thank you for being honest
It would be interesting to see how the tips hold up after some use. It's been my experience that after a few heat cycles the cheap tips won't hold solder anymore. That would be a big negative if you were to sell these.
Tips are consumables, no warranty for them anyway. Just tell the customer to buy original JBC tips if he wants.
my soldering iron is like this might be even more gap between tip and hand and is very heavy .. I don't know where it came from but it was in my home so I use it
bruh your so honest haha love it. I personally like the old hardware look, i just like a product to be easy to use/learn and work for a very long time and work well.
You will be able to use original JBC tips with this station that way you will get better performance. Or if you want something that looks good and works well then go for SUGON T3602 2 in 1 or T36 for micro pencil. There's another JBC knock off which is cheaper than above mentioned its GVM T210 it performs really well considering its price point.
SUGON gear are very good quality, T26, T26D and T36
I just bought the GVM T210 but not I'm getting an error message 5-E and keeps beeping. Do you know about this?
@@euphoricmonk could be the tips did not insert well
@@rifatahmed4659 right when I turn on the system it happend with or without the tips.
@@euphoricmonk hmm ..then it could be a faulty unit contact your suppiler replace it
What good is the temperature display if you constantly need to lift the machine to read it?
Could you measure resistance between tip and ground pin?
Thanks for reviewing this I2C junk. Helps our future purchasing decisions!
Hope you have a 700watts helical type hot air gun to compare with vertical type hot air station like the quick 8610 1000watts use to desolder chip like the ncp302150. Waiting for that video. Tnx
Never known any iron tip to tin at 450C unless they already are tinned. At that temp they will be black and knackered within minutes.
Here's some advice cause i have studied a lot of soldering irons and cloenes, this is a JBC clone and their handles suck compared to original and when you push the tip too hard it sometimes can short it or even go too far and still the contacts don't make contact, this is pretty common though
Weller 💯 for me ever since I first used my first Weller station at work 32 years ago and never used anything else because that Weller brand is a beast.
Hello friend, can you help me? I have an i2C-2SCN station from a few years back, it worked fine for a long time but now it blows the protection fuses.
How to know what is wrong?
How to know if the transformer is damaged?
Nothing changed in the way of using it. I'm sad
I just wanted to find out which model Weller Solder station you are using. Thanking you in advance
What temp do you run your Weller station at ? I m guessing it would be different for Leaded & Unleaded solder.
Thanks for giving honest review at least
i am not thinking about buying it in future
Pay more save time and effort.
Hope you do a follow up video after receiving a feedback.
the handle plugging in at the back is also something they must address.
Brother how about foil tabe alminum tape in that place where tip fall??????
Ever used butane soldering pens? What you think of them
well using 450 Celcius on T115 handle and tip is the way to burn it down within couple days of use
Not a soldering iron question,because I have seen that unit but unless more tips are offered with it I am not sure about buying.
But I do have a general question seeing as you repair a lot of devices (I am also waiting on more Amtech 213 flux to be in your store):
What ultrasonic cleaner do you recommend/do you use? I am using Amtech 559, but no solvent seems to clean the solder mask area between IC legs very well. I am hoping Amtech 213 will be a good choice in the mean time.
We use Elma e60h ultrasonic. Fresh shipment of Amtech 213 and 559 will be in this Fri. I'll announce it.
Use petrol to clean flux between legs of ic.
I m waiting to know the model of your thermal camera camera that you have
Alex i got the grinding pen from you ...where do i get the bits for it from ty
what is the reference of the handle tip of weller station ?
AIXUN T3A with t245 tips for 100$. super good station. The one needs to buy JCB tips for quality.
One of the things that would bug me is having to tilt the machine to read the LCD display.
Good point
Try t12 with original hako bit. Amazing 😍. Budget killer
i have the same problem in my jbc the solder doesnt stuck in tip....
Can you please give review of JCID Aixun t3b?
My man, would you say there's any value to a beginner in the roughly $60 USD area for soldering & heat gun stations?
Do they tend to be a comparative wattage to other more expensive devices?
In the same position as you, there are good ones for $60 each, so total of $120.
I like the Baku 702B station and just buy a couple diferent high quality wands to switch back and forth screwing onto the connection
Open - that trouble of tips i2c, some cant heatup from 24 to 350 with one pass, around 250 heating stoped, need power off/on and second heating from 250 to 350 fine.
They are currently selling the second generation, do you know that they have already solved the problems or better buy a jabe?
What is model of your machine that use in work Alex?
I am also wondering how accurate the temperature settings are on the unit. Just because it says 450C on the screen it could actually be outputting 550C etc. Can it be calibrated at all so when it says 450C on the screen that is what the temperature of the tip actually is?
If only he had a thermal camera.......
@@mrbmp09 There are specialized devices that use thermistors to test the temperature of the tip to see how well the iron maintains the temperature that you set it to. Especailly when you are using it and the thermal mass of a board sucks the heat out of the tip. The iron has to be able to keep it at the set temperature.
Nice test. Try wet sponge to cleanig tip. Brass wall is not soo good.
I bought the i2c 2SENi NANO soldering station with the "C115" handle, later I bought the "C245" handle (of the same brand) separately, and my station does not recognize it by putting "NO TOOL" on the screen, does anyone know how I can work it out? Any solution?, HELP PLEASE, Thanks!
Four comentary.. i like yours works... I 'm from argentina. Saludos broh
Some designers don’t use their brain. Great honest review.
Hooping to watch your vlog on how you fix a broken hinge of laptop..
3:26 - speaks for itself :)
Thank you sir 🙏🇩🇿
Do you offer training? You say so on your website but I never heard back after submitting info. Perhaps I didn't submit correctly. I bought the digital microscope from your website and I purchased the stand that you link to ebay. I am wondering if I should save up to buy the Weller soldering station or buy a cheaper unit for a tenth of the price. I have a full time job and I have spent a thousand dollars so far but I'm concerned I'm buying high-end equipment with no experience. I live 15 minutes from your shop so maybe I can stop by and you can give me advice or perhaps create a video for beginners who want to get started.
I've always used the cheap Chinese Tips and they are a pain to keep clean so solder sticks to them.... I always had a feeling a professional WELLER type tip would perform far better and would need less cleaning... What makes the difference - is it the type of metal they use in the tip?
Nice Vedio ☮️👍
And what Weller do you have?
were you able to figure out what the error was !
As far as solder not sticking, maybe it oxidized from getting to temp without being tinned
Thanks for the honest review ، It was a powerful NO