Loved group A, best ever era in rallying. Works GTiR's suffered from huge power loss due to the location of the intercooler on top of the engine. To re locate it would have involved producing another 5000 modified examples! Just a bad design in the first place. The works team were also run on a shoestring budget compared to the Lancia's and Toyota and the Japanese paymasters inevitably expected instant success and when it wasn't forthcoming, they pulled the plug on the program. Great little cars though.
Don't be confusing the road cars with the rally cars. Loss of power on the works cars was in the order of 60 - 70 bhp in hot conditions due to the lack of air flowing though the intercooler, rather than just into it, as it was sat on top of a boiling hot engine and cylinder head with no room underneath it for the air to get out!
@@econ1985 Go look at some dyno graphs of those Group A cars and you'll understand better. The power curve was so flat on most of them, many had 300hp by around 3000 rpm, Peugeot even went to a 4 speed gearbox at one stage such was the flatness of the torque curve. The intercooler was a big issue, and Nissan ran some very weird fuels to keep the charge cooler, you can find pictures on the Net of the service crew refueling them wearing spaceman suits and respirators. Likely a methanol, acetone, nitro blend.
There is one wasting away down the street from me. Its a JDM pulsar Gti-R. I want it! But im currently driving a nissan stagea rs4. I love it. Pumpin dumpin camaro's in a 21 year old station wagon.
The Stagea in fact was just an estate version of the Skyline, imagine Nissan leaving Renault for the sake of merging with Toyota would definitely make Nissan great again while it is under Toyota control. While Nissan has been selling cars with those sh!t [Jatco] CVTs for many years, Toyota has been doing a great job and therefore with those two Japanese marques being already known in the car culture community (along with Honda, Mazda and Subaru) means that Nissan trading some no-name Frenchie marque (Renault) for merging with Toyota would be a great idea though...
Makes you wonder where it went wrong, looks a highly competitive car and it was certainly in the right hands. A lot seems to be written about the choice of tyres and the inter warmer, fantastic engine though.
Actually, they don't. This myth started in the back of Max Power magazine in the 90's and everyone believed them. They are no weaker than any escort or sierra cosworth but nobody ever talks about them. It's just acceptable to rebuild your engine or gearbox on a cossie but if anything breaks on a GtiR once they've racked up the miles then apparently they're all bad. I've owned a few of these cars over the last 15 years and I've only ever had issues with clutches. If you drive it like you stole it then it's inevitable it will suffer mechanical wear quicker than it should.
Never forget that Nissan used to own Subaru when both were competing in the WRC before, as while Nissan left the series in 1992, Subaru continued until it even withdrew from the championship in 2008 - but luckily Toyota is already back in the WRC and we would be happy to say that Nissan should go back in the WRC unless if the former have already replaced Renault with Toyota as (Nissan's) partner...
The suspension needs to be firm because most of the rally is fast and flat sometimes you sacrifice suspension travel and having fast rebounds for going faster in corners and be more stable at high speed !
Kinda curious how one who got four WRC driver's titles between 1996 and 1999 became one who made Toyota in the aforementioned series great again. Well of course, the Nissan Sunny GTi-R was yesterday's Toyota Yaris GR and for sure in honesty, why wouldn't Nissan replace Renault with Toyota as the former's partner? While Toyota is already doing a bloody good job in the WRC, it even has an ongoing deal with Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki and Isuzu, and of course with the last two no longer sells cars in the U.S.A. and Canada means Toyota would take over Nissan from Renault (which is also gone in stateside and its snowy up north neighbour) while forgetting about Mitsubishi either...
@@SylasG by the way when you replied to the comment i made from five in a 1/2 years ago meant that the alliance you have mentioned wouldve dissapear since ghosn got arrested otherwise if nissan wouldnt have an alliance with renault then nissan (alone) too wouldve trade renault for a merger with toyota instead especially if nissan alone would replace renault with toyota as a partner then nissan should gain from toyotas parts bin and thus have nissan too return in the wrc duh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@SylasG whatever u mega maga gammon pile of 💩u r unless if edit those comments i made immediately then u su*k btw renault hasnt been in the usa and canada for 33 years as isuzu and suzuki does especially since youre in europe then of course you dont realise toyota and nissan has been in the us and canadian markets for decades since the cold war but while toyota is already dominant in southeast asia nissan hasnt copied it for centuries and while nissan would replace renault with toyota as a partner perhaps forget about mitsubishi mitsubishi is already going dead u know while they still sell cars in north america but only fewer models mitsubishi in europe is in fact declining and thats why its bloody good for nissan to abandon renault in exchange for merging with toyota only until mitsubishi would dissapear like edsel morris talbot saab and plymouth all dead brands ya heard and especially with toyota already in the wrc perhaps the more nissan would trade renault for a merger with toyota would be the more nissan would built its rallying weapon with yaris blueprints u mega maga gammon boi 👿😡👿😡👿😡👿😡👿😡🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵❤️🇯🇵
Loved group A, best ever era in rallying. Works GTiR's suffered from huge power loss due to the location of the intercooler on top of the engine. To re locate it would have involved producing another 5000 modified examples! Just a bad design in the first place. The works team were also run on a shoestring budget compared to the Lancia's and Toyota and the Japanese paymasters inevitably expected instant success and when it wasn't forthcoming, they pulled the plug on the program. Great little cars though.
bugattieb110ss The top mount is actually good for around 320 bhp and I believe these cars were running at 300
Don't be confusing the road cars with the rally cars. Loss of power on the works cars was in the order of 60 - 70 bhp in hot conditions due to the lack of air flowing though the intercooler, rather than just into it, as it was sat on top of a boiling hot engine and cylinder head with no room underneath it for the air to get out!
bugattieb110ss The group N cars ran a top mount and won the championship, coming in at nos 1 and 2
@@econ1985 Go look at some dyno graphs of those Group A cars and you'll understand better. The power curve was so flat on most of them, many had 300hp by around 3000 rpm, Peugeot even went to a 4 speed gearbox at one stage such was the flatness of the torque curve. The intercooler was a big issue, and Nissan ran some very weird fuels to keep the charge cooler, you can find pictures on the Net of the service crew refueling them wearing spaceman suits and respirators. Likely a methanol, acetone, nitro blend.
@@bugattieb110ss I couldn't only imagine how bad heat soak and the inevitable high IATs must have been during flat out race pace conditions!
One word.....fantastic!!!
Awesome!!
Great sounds!
There is one wasting away down the street from me. Its a JDM pulsar Gti-R. I want it! But im currently driving a nissan stagea rs4. I love it. Pumpin dumpin camaro's in a 21 year old station wagon.
The Stagea in fact was just an estate version of the Skyline, imagine Nissan leaving Renault for the sake of merging with Toyota would definitely make Nissan great again while it is under Toyota control.
While Nissan has been selling cars with those sh!t [Jatco] CVTs for many years, Toyota has been doing a great job and therefore with those two Japanese marques being already known in the car culture community (along with Honda, Mazda and Subaru) means that Nissan trading some no-name Frenchie marque (Renault) for merging with Toyota would be a great idea though...
Makes you wonder where it went wrong, looks a highly competitive car and it was certainly in the right hands. A lot seems to be written about the choice of tyres and the inter warmer, fantastic engine though.
Richard Birtley they break easy
Actually, they don't. This myth started in the back of Max Power magazine in the 90's and everyone believed them. They are no weaker than any escort or sierra cosworth but nobody ever talks about them. It's just acceptable to rebuild your engine or gearbox on a cossie but if anything breaks on a GtiR once they've racked up the miles then apparently they're all bad. I've owned a few of these cars over the last 15 years and I've only ever had issues with clutches. If you drive it like you stole it then it's inevitable it will suffer mechanical wear quicker than it should.
What an epic car! The sound of it reminds me of the WRC of Subaru.
Never forget that Nissan used to own Subaru when both were competing in the WRC before, as while Nissan left the series in 1992, Subaru continued until it even withdrew from the championship in 2008 - but luckily Toyota is already back in the WRC and we would be happy to say that Nissan should go back in the WRC unless if the former have already replaced Renault with Toyota as (Nissan's) partner...
У меня такая , почти. Объем 1.4 купе
Эта лучшая тачка всех времен
sounds great but the suspension travel and its ride over the jumps is crap!
The suspension needs to be firm because most of the rally is fast and flat sometimes you sacrifice suspension travel and having fast rebounds for going faster in corners and be more stable at high speed !
@@RidingGreeceMTB thats why today we have fast and slow bound and rebound damping. Still doesn't change the lack of travel this car has
Kinda curious how one who got four WRC driver's titles between 1996 and 1999 became one who made Toyota in the aforementioned series great again.
Well of course, the Nissan Sunny GTi-R was yesterday's Toyota Yaris GR and for sure in honesty, why wouldn't Nissan replace Renault with Toyota as the former's partner?
While Toyota is already doing a bloody good job in the WRC, it even has an ongoing deal with Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki and Isuzu, and of course with the last two no longer sells cars in the U.S.A. and Canada means Toyota would take over Nissan from Renault (which is also gone in stateside and its snowy up north neighbour) while forgetting about Mitsubishi either...
Not true at all. They are an "alliance" and share some things.
@@SylasG by the way when you replied to the comment i made from five in a 1/2 years ago meant that the alliance you have mentioned wouldve dissapear since ghosn got arrested
otherwise if nissan wouldnt have an alliance with renault then nissan (alone) too wouldve trade renault for a merger with toyota instead
especially if nissan alone would replace renault with toyota as a partner then nissan should gain from toyotas parts bin and thus have nissan too return in the wrc duh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@awakawiateazrutyialocinadn5207 wrong again. There is still a alliance with Nissan / Renault / Mitsubishi.
@@SylasG whatever u mega maga gammon pile of 💩u r unless if edit those comments i made immediately then u su*k btw renault hasnt been in the usa and canada for 33 years as isuzu and suzuki does
especially since youre in europe then of course you dont realise toyota and nissan has been in the us and canadian markets for decades since the cold war but while toyota is already dominant in southeast asia nissan hasnt copied it for centuries and while nissan would replace renault with toyota as a partner perhaps forget about mitsubishi
mitsubishi is already going dead u know while they still sell cars in north america but only fewer models mitsubishi in europe is in fact declining and thats why its bloody good for nissan to abandon renault in exchange for merging with toyota only until mitsubishi would dissapear like edsel morris talbot saab and plymouth all dead brands ya heard
and especially with toyota already in the wrc perhaps the more nissan would trade renault for a merger with toyota would be the more nissan would built its rallying weapon with yaris blueprints u mega maga gammon boi 👿😡👿😡👿😡👿😡👿😡🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵❤️🇯🇵
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