Computer Science Is Not Software Engineering
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In this video, I explain the great lie you've all been told - that computer science is equivalent to software engineering. I also break down what you must do on top of your computer science degree to succeed. Enjoy!
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00:00 - Introduction
00:37 - Why Do People Equate Computer Science And Software Engineering?
04:05 - Computer Science vs Software Engineering
04:45 - Is Computer Science Enough For Software Engineering?
07:05 - AppSumo (Sponsor)
08:43 - Harvard's Branding
11:10 - What Do Computer Science Majors Need to Do (To Get a Job)?
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â@@badhon2017after takes a bath which is less likely
Whatâs good about CS is because you can become anything . IT , cloud , software , data science , consulting ,
I am getting a degree only for the high ranking cybersec jobs as I am 12 years into the industey. Can't care any less about programming, though. But I need the piece of paper.
@@dieglhix itâs good to understand programming however , best believe the most valuable person is the members of the team who can communicate with other members. All programmers should know some network , security , etc , just as all high level IT professionals should know some code too .
@@dieglhix and if you ever plan to work in cloud , coding is a must , as is command line . But youâll get plenty of exposure to that
@@ci6516 I know a lot of command line and powershell, some basic programming but I won't go deep diving because it's not of personal interest and AI tools can do a lot of the work... I study a lot of other IT things not related to programming which are also very needed in the industry
Not hardware. Hardware can do SD but hardly the other way around.
Iâd say the only pros of top universities are the connections you can make
exactly
It's also considered an accolade. Many companies, such as Jane Street, love to hire and consider students from Ivy League colleges compared to other colleges.
Web programming is neither Computer Science nor Software Engineering.
Machine learning is not cs.
Nothing in cs helping me in machine learning
coder wannabe
Then what is web programming??
@@chiragmali274 interface designer that use text
â@rileyowen7245 then, there's a bug in your learning
In the 90s my job description was Electronics Technician, but I was mostly coding. Using the University library, I was trying to learn software engineering, but all the books titled Software Engineering were about managing teams. These books were useless for a 1 person team.
In Switzerland there is this thing called Informatiker and it has two paths, platform development and application development.
Application development focuses on web development, software development, databases, support and dev ops.
In the apprenticeship they don't really go into depth, but things like arch linux, docker, git, cryptography and ssh are all things they learn in the first year out of four.
Platformentwicklung focuses on the more physical part of computer science, they still learn the basics of code like oop, mobile-applications and machine learning. But they work with physical databases, computers and networks. The linux users in short.
They both can later specialize and choose a field in some like economics, security or medicine.
I'm a junior in college, and I have a 4.0 in computer science. My minor is software engineering and I still have to work to learn programming. I agree and relate to this video! I graduate next year and I know how to code but It's still doesn't feel like I know enough. I have been told to start projects and I have started and completed some. I still feel like there is so much more to know and I still don't know many programming concepts or fundamentals! I still have to rely on other resources! College just doesn't teach the necessary skills required to be effective in the tech industry. I have learned if I want it I must learn lots of information and develop skills on my own! It's challenging, You have to love a challenge! I love the challenges of programming, and there are so many!!! LOL there's nothing more rewarding to me than to figure something out no matter how frustrating it is or how long it takes!
I chose computer science because Georgia State offered that and Computer Information Systems as the only tech majors
The problem with video like this, is that prolly almost nobody will see it before going into college, yt algorithm works in such a way that it will recommend it to people who either already are in college or finished it already.
Almost everybody learns this the hard way, especially if you listen to old people, who have NO IDEA how this industry works
My favorite part of CS, is how anything theorized can be created perfectly in code. Now, it may not always be the best use of a given technology, but that closeness between theory and practice is not there in other fields of engineering.
Computer Science is the theory, Software Engineering is the practical application of that theory to real-life tasks.
EDIT: It appears as though Computer Science actually covers both the theory and practical application of technology. Software Engineering appears to be a sub-section of CS that solely covers the practical application side of things when designing and implementing software systems.
See the Wikipedia pages for both Computer Science and Software Engineering for further information.
This guy in the video went sooo much off topic for no reason sucha idiot
Not entirely true
Bro just said random shit that sounds nice and people liked his comment
Nope. CS involves managing infrastructure not much to do with programming
Reading up on it more, it appears as though Computer Science actually covers both the theory and practical application of technology. Software Engineering appears to be a sub-section of CS that solely covers the practical application side of things when designing and implementing software systems. My bad! I will update my original comment to reflect that.
See the Wikipedia pages for both Computer Science and Software Engineering for further content.
As someone who dropped out of college multiple times end never graduated, I totally agree. Unfortunately, tough times are here for newbies, even new grads.
I actually never realized this till i saw some of my classmates didnt get a job till like 9-10 months after graduation.
The concepts of computer science are crucial for software engineering
A small portion of the concepts of computer science are crucial for software engineering and college or a degree are not necessary to acquire the skills/knowledge to be an effective software engineer*
not at all, there are so many elective classes for CS that have nothing to do with Software engineering
Yes and no.
Computer Science is a Mathematics degree...not a Software/Programming Degree. Do Information Technology or Software Engineering instead.
OMG I completely forgot about him đź
I want to ask if there are jobs for front end engineers
Bro ur editing is dope! What tools do u use?
Love your stuff
well said. it's like saying that electrical engineering design is soldering circuit boards or fixing equipment.
Boom.
Outstanding content.
Has anyone read the book yet he mentioned?
Very well explained.
Side topic⊠Why do some people say âsoftware devâ while others âsoftware engâ while meaning the same thing?
If my university offers a CS degree and s SWE degree and I want to go into SWE then wouldn't it be beneficial for me to take the SWE degree instead?
CS teaches you a broader view of computing. Itâs the science behind all of computation and youâll learn fundamentals that are worth more than anything ;)
@@joaoguerreiro9403 ok well thanks!
You should talk more about psychological stuff. The convergence of psych and comp sci is so interesting.
I want to become a game developer so should i do software engineer engineering?
The problem with people who look upto guys like Zuckerberg and other very successful people is that people look upto them and dream that they will be the next success story but do they have a Facebook level idea?
Being able to have the idea and implement the idea successfully is why companies like Facebook, Amazon, google and others are what they are.
If everyoneâs a superhero no oneâs a superhero
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My CS major had software engineering, Web development, machine learning, and statistics.
Getting into a good college is definitely not enough to get a good job, but the ONE reason someone would want to get into a good college is because of the network they can create, like if someone get's into a not so great college, the one thing that they will suffer the most in is crating a good network, so let's say someone gets into a bad college, how do you suggest they create a good network considering no one at college is really network material.
school teaches you. The job puts those concepts and thinkings skills you develop to work
Web development is not CS?
so basically, CSE is like doing a basic level of study which then splits into multiple applications which are to be learnt separately. okay ! got that. I am starting with a BS in CSE with AI/ML. In India they offer CSE + some specialization which you can choose as per your interest.
they also offer CSE & DS/ AI/ML/ IOT/ CYBERSECURITY/ BIOINFORMATICS/ BLOCKCHAIN WEB3.
which one do you suggest as per the current market and prediction for next 3 years.
in india, all are shit. But u need atleast a degree to land a SWE job.
Go For the degree which requires u spending the least time on it.
TL;DR Go for the least difficult course and easy to get GPA course based on ur college. Enquire with seniors .
After getting in college grind leetcode and Codeforces and then pray god to land u a SWE offer
Get a CS degree with specialisation in AI. You will have a bright future ahead of you ;)
@@lazyemperor5182 thanks for trying to help me I will follow the easy course strategy you talked about. but that last part, thats average sheep mentality in india. do dsa do leetcode there are so many other things than this job-only mentality. sadly all indians are chasing non existent job markets which only takes few highly qualified people. considering you are not that senior that me, I would want to tell you that people who get hired using only leetcode grind and system design interview bootcamps also get fired within a year or two....
@@joaoguerreiro9403 yeah, I took CSE with specialisation in AIML.
My hs teachers told me this
Within the degree an important thing I did not see mentioned is picking your electives intelligently. If you want to focus on SWE, take more practical programming classes. Interested more in being a Sys admin? Take more classes focused on networking. I am going for IT, but I have been taking programming classes to ensure I have a grasp of the software I am running (and get better at debugging). I also recommend doing lab projects for your resume if internships are hard to come by in your area.
In the UK you have BSc (Batchelor of Science) Computer Science, BEng/MEng (Batchelor/Master of Engineering) Software Engineering check out Birmingham University/Imperial College
*Bachelor
So basically Software Engineering like many other Cyber security etc... is under the umbrella of Computer Science. Computer science you are a jack of all trades master of none . But then when u specialize on one of the umbrella / branching sectors of Computer Science then u become a master on that one skil .
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except im majoring in software engineering. Computer science is the entire field which includes, webdev, gamedev, mobiledev, AI, data, cyber, etc etc.
Thank you for sharing. I am just wondering how to get into hackathons. Is there any links or something?
I don't think Harvard sells just the fact that you were chosen, it also sells a certification that you are able to pass their exams. It can be three to five years with intense workload.
That being said I don't like the American system where universities are run like a business and forces people to get into debt.
Anyone smart / motivated enough to get a CS degree is smart / motivated enough to learn how to get into software development without the degree. (and spend that money on a down payment for a house and those 4 years getting practical, real world skill/experience)
wayy better frđŻ
Youâre more likely to get hired with the degree and the skills
@@jorsako843 true but you're also $150k+ and 4 years down. My first job I got after 6 months of self study. Making 80k. Now these kids who graduated can't even get a job with their expensive piece of paper so they don't even have the chance to get the experience to go with it so it's moot.
Aren't you that Bangladeshi guy who have lived on many countries since childhood if I'm not wrong. Ig i saw you on reels
thats BS... if you go to SE or Developer job listings.
they often say a "CS" degree required, or equivalent.
Ultimately, what you can achieve is determined by your attitude, dedication, and interests. While degrees can be valuable, they often consume time that could be better spent pursuing your passions. The hiring process is flawed - regardless of your educational background.
How the hell did bro get five internships đ€Ł
Start developing side projects since day one
software engineering is a specialty of computer science in universities that don't have software engineering as part of the engineering faculty.
Hackathons are terrible. Being able to write disposable code fast using superficial understanding of tools is a totally different skill than being able to plan, understand the trade offs of different ways of doing something and then implementing it to be maintainable for several years.
Only 20% of your video is about SWE vs CS. Your final 3 points on how CS can transition to SWE could be summarized into a single bullet point, which is gaining real-life experience.
In India BCA & MCA Degrees are for Software Engineering.
Or
Otherwise do BSc Software Engineering or MSc Software Engineering.
Instead of BSc/MSc Computer Science.
Very few College have BSc/MSc Software Engineering Degree Course.
Iâm a computer scientist I enjoy looking at IT people and Software people.
That sounds like you are some predator. đ€š
I did take Software Engineering courses over the CS career
If only you'd made this video 16 years ago
Human are not rational they just try to be. The relieviability of any individual is founded from anything you want except rationnal explaination.
"Computer Science is as much about Computers as Astronomy is about Telescopes" - Edsgar Dijkstra.
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rule no.1 of living on earth - don't take Elon musk seriously
Yeah just a guy with 4 engineering-heavy companies that are at the bleeding edge of their respective industries
No biggy, we should take you seriously but not him
How TF does Elon Musk factor into any of this?! đ€š
Exactly đŻ â@@benzemamumba
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Shouldn't even be called engineers. The only engineers are people that run the trains and buildings
Just like not all construction is Civil Engineering not all Software Development is Software Engineering.
Computer science is more interesting anyway
And if the Musky one says it, it must be true.
Is computer science not a branch of electrical engineering?
Nah I think you maybe referring to computer engineering
No. It is not. You will only learn briefly and on the surface how a computer turns electricity into information. CS is more concerned with what happens AFTER the electricity becomes data. How to collect it, process it, store it, present it and transmit it.
Most of us do not know the technical details of how the hardware works. We however know how to tell the computer to do what we want it to do. That's the Software Engineering and computer networking part. Networing is me telling it where and how I want it to send information.
The rest of it is trying to figure how it can do what I tell it faster, while consuming less resources and in a way that hackers can't mess around with. The science part of computer science. That is research, developing better data structures and algorithms and information system security.
@@austinedeclan10nice
Itâs a branch of mathematics actually
CS Iâm essence is applicable discrete mathematics.
Everything from loops to booleans is rooted in discrete mathematics..and in reality almost everything is a Boolean at heart
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The whole Elon Musk saying don't get a degree thing is so overblown. When he started doing layoffs, the leaked memos literally said that they should prioritize letting go of people WITHOUT degrees regardless of experience. And literally a few days ago, another memo leaked from Tesla or X (don't remember) where it told recruiters to not hire anyone who wasn't from Ivies, stanford, gt, cmu, MIT or the Indian IITs.
@@jayrollo1352 you emphatically used âliterally said thisâ multiple times. I did my damndest to find any reference to corroborate what youâre saying and have turned up nothing. Please actually direct us to where to find these memos in question.
Please correct me if Iâm wrong, I genuinely want you to if youâre correct. But it seems to me like you are full of crap. There is nothing I can find that even remotely rings true to what you said in this comment.
Show your receipts or quit lying.
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Tech is in a bubble. It's over.
If everyone gets into a Computer Science degree with the goal of being a software developer, then who the hell should design and build the hardware that these software systems will run on?
Computer Engineers.
And anybody can get job without these degrees
With a lot of hard work this is true
that was 5 years ago G
@@FatherPhia lot!
@@FatherPhi you meant with Bootcamps ?
What you do is Web Development only. Computer Science and Software Engineering are way more than that. Besides the purpose of education is not for job seeking.
As I understand it: Computer Science: construction worker, contractor; Software Engineer: Architect/Civil Engineer
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Computer science is not BIO and CHM lmao
I came for elon thumbnail, I guess the content has no relation to that. goodbye and have a nice time
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Wrong.. apparently you do not know what the term "engineer" means. Or at least, what I think it means. "One who applies a proven technology to design a machine". Our current software development technology does not work. We have no proven technologies in computer science, therefore there can be no software engineers. No application today (from bootstraps to flight control systems) is ever finished or reliable.
All programmers do the same thing. All applications are the same. There is no difference in the work involved in the creation of any application (OS, device drivers, accounting systems,âŠ) . All application only add, subtract, multiply, divide, compare, and branch. All software logic is our assumption on the purpose of a set of bits that we humans think of as a number. Even this, no two programmers will ever agree upon the meaning of a set of bits.
The size of an application should be ignored. Whether one statement or a million statements the work of a programmer I judge the same. I also do not judge the work on an application's purpose.
A = B + C
This statement is a flawed unproven technology. I cannot call myself as an "engineer" if I cannot prove this statement. the result might be outside the number of bits allotted. B and C might be incompatible. I cannot tell is this statement is even required. There are a million reasons why this statement does not work. There is no understanding of this statement. The proof is only in the original programmers mind. He/She knows the proof but the machine (application) itself cannot validate this statement. This is why I think our software technology does not work, or at least one of the reasons.
With 50 years as a programmer, I would never call myself a Software Engineer. I have spent last 10 years working to design a proven software technology. All I can say is that what we now have is crap. We should not need programmers, and our software should never fail, software should provide every user with absolute control over their software, information, hardware, and context.
The latest Microsoft world wide outage, should never have happened, but it will happen again. I just want progress, not the same bad technology we have had for the last 82 years. It makes me mad that no one is looking to improve our software technology. The world just keeps saying that humans can do better. They can, but only with a better technology.
another no name in whole CS thing talking non sense, thank you. please do not follow this normie advice.
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