Whiterose's Project - Mr Robot (Time Travel Theories EXPLAINED)
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2019
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Its crazy how many interpretations you can get from simple hints throughout Mr Robot's run. Its time to talk about the time travel theory, and maybe the parallel universe theory, and see whats up.
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One thing I thought was interesting in this episode was 5/9 hack, 5.9 earthquake, door code is 0509. The whole show is SO well thought out, and every little detail means something. 🙌🏼
It was also May 9th in the alt reality, which is also Elliots fathers birthday. Theres so much that surrounds FiveNine, can't wait to see how it all comes together lol
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Shadow Suave oh yeah! I don’t know how I missed that!
Also the day Elitot jumped out the window was 5/9
Thunder_Bear I totally missed that!
"But I'm a sneaky motherf***er."
-Sam Esmail, 2019
i went to the comment section to write this down ahhaahhaha
I am pretty sure that the third personality is the real original elliot that we just never met
I feel like he's going to end up having a multiple personality disorder and this was him Alt+Deleting his other personas one by one. Like in identity. Idk I'm excited though haha
Man you nailed it!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Nice call
Did u use White Rose's time machine?!
After watching the ending I understand, we were the real elliot all the time.
A little tangent in regards to the manipulation technique white rose uses against her subjects. My theory is they use the same technique hackers use to scan for open ports with network mapping...
White rose begins by creating a sense of urgency in the subject. If Angela doesn't answer the questions in a timely manner, the fish dies and the young girl claims she will be beaten if Angela doesn't answer the questions correctly. Then they ask a series of deeply personal questions. White rose already knows the answer to these because she's hacked Angela and obtained access to her deepest darkest secrets. Due to the sense of urgency, Angela feels pressure to answer the questions as quickly as possible.
You'll notice whenever the subject lies, they repeat the question over and over until they answer correctly. When they answer incorrectly, they are able to identify an insecurity; a vulnerability - an open port, and when they finally answer truthfully white rose gains access to that port and exposes a vulnerability. From there, white rose can exploit those vulterabilities, gain access to Angela's 'network' and reconfigure it from inside. This is how she brainwashes her subjects.
It doesn't work on Elliot, because he knows every trick in the book, infact Elliot is two steps ahead of white rose, he exposes who she is. Just a nasty old woman filled with resent who wants to destroy humanity and get back at the world for doing wrong by her (Much like the CCP, but that's another can of worms)...
Also, I love how they constantly play with the idea that the human brain is no different than a computer network. It has vulterabilities which can be exploted, hacked, and controlled from inside.
This show is perfect.
Reminds me of the book “Snowcrash” which treats the human brain like a computer with similar vulnerabilities
how does your comment have so little amount of likes? you have a great theory which makes this comment very underrated
Good points! Your comment also reminded me that Dark Army run a similar test on Tyrell when he's been taken to the cottage, to the extent of making him lose his mind... just saying. Cheers!
Honestly I wouldn't describe whiterose like that at all. I think she genuinely and wholeheartedly believed her machine would work and everyone that died was irrelevant because they would be restored once they merge with the parallel universe/ went back in time anyway. She was even more delusional than Elliot, then again, he stopped the machine. So who knows? If he hadn't, maybe it would've worked 🤷
@@Masterofchodes I think that too, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she used hardcore manipulation tactics to brainwash people.
According to the lore, there may be a good chance she had a supernatural fix... but we'll never know I guess. That's what I love about the show.
My thing was more just in terms of netsec, how she would view her subjects like machines with vulnerabilities (Just like Elliot did.. his method was just a bit more rogue while White rose was methodical)... and the whole show was about how hacking into networks and finding vulterabilities is not a whole lot different from digging into someones subconcious and finding vulnerabilities. Computers and networks are modeled after the human brain and how humans interact with each other, so I thought how Sam Esmail played on that analogy was really cool.
Her and Elliot are definitely one in the same in that regard. For the audience, it creates so much cognitive dissonance - because you're rooting for Elliot, but you keep finding out more and more how he's barely any different from the people he's fighting against.
In the end, he just won... Good and Evil was almost redundant at that stage.
The concept of Good vs Evil is very Nietzchean too... have a look at this summary of 'beyond good and evil' if you've got the time. czcams.com/video/WIHXZUltfqk/video.html
Esmail explores this concept a lot... the line between good and evil is blurred, and Nietzche proposed that that line does not even exist. We're all just somewhere in the middle. No person, or no act is purely good or purely evil... its like a concept of 'grey thinking' (AKA not black and white).
It's a Parallel Universe. That's why the machine looked like CERN
Smart Brother....
They just gonna drop a random hadron collider and not talk about it for 2 seasons?!?!
@@mpgallogly yes they did that
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Dude my brain exploded. The only thing that could bring peace to my mind is Tyrell being alive or time machine being real
what if tyrell saw the time machine back in the forest3... i know im sleep deprived so goodnight
I think the dark army guy in the van dumped it so nobody would find it before crashing...
oh boy i really don't think it will.
@@bigbans437BINGO! that would explain that noise they all were hearing when roaming the woods looking for the city!
@@bigbans437 totally i wonder what happened there as well no one spoke s*hit the episode after that. It was all running and textin lol
Whiterose said to Elliot in season one, “You hack people, I hack time.” And I take her word for it. I think time travel is plausible. It makes sense. She wanted to go back in time prior to her lover committing suicide so that she could change the consequence and be with him again.
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Yeah, but keep in mind that the idea behind hacking is for both Elliot and for Whiterose to gain control over something. Read ‚hack‘ as ‚can control‘. Elliot finally needed this control in order to transcend his trauma, which he did, and in comparison to Whiterose he accomplished going past the past. But Whiterose is stuck in a ‚psychotic denial of reality‘ (Price), which extends itself into every matter of her actions. She is ready to go beyond every line to make sure that her pain, or rather, the way she copes with her split identity isn‘t discovered or exposed to vuleranbility. Even if there are others suffering because of her delusional fantasy, she clings to this pseudo system of knowledge and change. Whiterose vs. Elliot is such a great exploration of belief vs. logic, idealism vs. Truth. And Elliot carries truth on his back through the entire show. Even though he is motivated by hatred, and not by philanthropy, as he also very much hurts people for his deeds, he does it honestly and with love & preserverance. I can‘t fathom how deep Whtreose‘s wound can be, but it seems pretty rough, if she has to go to those lengths of creating a cultish group that is truly fanatic about the doctrine that one is able to deny one‘s pain and live in a world without it. It stems from such an innocent and good-seeming place, that it‘s so fascinating how truly malevolent it becomes. Especially as that is portrayed in the show.
Honestly that would probably change the whole timeline in benefit of Angela and Elliot since no need for machine= no plant= no dead parents. Little did whiterose know it wouldn’t have been the best thing for Elliot anyways.
@@Hieroph4nt Fairly certain they identifed as a woman so she.
Whiterose machine is a particle accelerator.
This might be a bit deep, but the expression “art imitates life” and its mirror “life imitates art“ are subtle hints which elude to the fact that movies are inspired by real life and real life is reflected in movies.
Accelerating and colliding particles at near the speed of light in order to understand the nature of the subatomic particles of which space and time itself are comprised, but only exist for a fraction of a fraction of a millisecond is useless information and a completely pointless waste of immense time & resources, unless you have the capability of using that knowledge
Which brings us back to the beginning Whiterose machine is a particle accelerator. The “art to life” reflection between whiterose machine and CERN is pretty obvious… Throughout the series we learn that White Rose is using her machine to change the world, and the world changes accordingly.
CERN is smashing particles together at near the speed of light and our world is changing accordingly.
Remember: “You’re only seeing what’s in front of you, you haven’t seen what’s above you.”
I love that a show like this can exist. I don’t care where the story ends. Love it, or hate it, or somewhere in between... it’s been one hell of a ride. I will say, though, Esmail has not let me down a single time with anything he’s done. I personally don’t see any possible way that it won’t be a perfect show. Can’t wait to feel all of the emotions over the next three weeks!
All of the twists, though crazy and unexpected or sad. Have all been entertaining! I still think his mom will have a big play. We've hardly seen her, And all we know is she was emotionally and verbally abusive. Possible defense mechanism in his head? She only showed up when he was having a difficult time. And then she just "died" with no reaction.
The show is far from perfect. Tyrells death was horrible, and Sam Esmail's hate boner for Trump will not age well.
@@othososI can understand why you dislike Tyrell’s death, but I would argue that it serves the show thematically. Tyrell’s death shows that he ultimately allowed his obsession with godhood to consume him, something that Elliot nearly allows to happen to him at the end of the show. In other words, Tyrell serves as a dark, foreboding warning of what Elliot could become if he’s not careful. Though, I can absolutely understand why Tyrell’s death bothers you nonetheless.
The discussions and theorizing here and on reddit are at least as entertaining as the episodes themselves. Mr Robot attracted the right crowd of geek/nerd viewers who are actually enjoying thinking about and trying to figure out all the hidden stuff. Westworld S1 was the only other show that did that. Nothing else currently comes to mind which is a shame.
have you watch DARK? itbwas amazing
@@rose191991 Dark requires way too much attention to watch imo
@@MegaCoconut9 Nah, all you need is three different family trees over several generations, a couple of flow charts and philosophy books and you'll follow just fine.
All jokes aside, I think Dark is one of those show you still enjoy even if not everything is completely clear to you straight away (or ever).
I literally just found your channel and just finished watching the reviews of every episode from this season, what great timing hahaha
Thank u!
The truth about white roses project is that there is no definitive answer for what it is, it could be a time machine, a gateway to alternate universes, or any number of things. But the truth is it has no definitive answer because it is what in narrative terms is called a “Macguffin”, an undefined or unexplained object or idea that’s sheer purpose is to move the plot forward.
The show never truly focuses on what the machine truly is, because that would break the suspense/mystery a draw attention away from what the show truly is: a realistic semi realistic show about hacking and the dissociative identity disorder of Elliot. The machine is never defined because what it COULD DO isn’t important, only what it is causing is integral to the show.
Your videos are never too long - I would sit and listen to you ramble these theories for hours
Agreed. This video would have been even better if it kept going into the third personality and stuff.
agreed. LONGER IS better in the case of HIS videos
He is the only youtuber besides mr. Beast whose videos i can watch for a long time without getting bored, i really hope he starts doing these type of videos about other movies and seasons after mr. Robot ends.
agreed
Wow thank u!
The blackouts in season 2 were due to White Rose’s use of the machine. Every time something went wrong that threatened her project she went back and corrected it. This was how she pulled off stage 2 in spite of Elliot’s attempts to derail it. This was how she got around Angela turning over the documents to the nuclear regulatory commission. This is how she brought young Angela to interrogate herself in order to help convince her to stop trying to threaten the plant. The hamburger guy in the radiation suit and the blackouts were all components of time travel (or parallel universe jumping) interventions.
You're wrong, blackouts were due to lack of money, which led to lack of salaries.
This "Young Angela" was just kidnapped kid (or kid which parents was killed during terror attacks or civil war which Zhao and their group financing it from Cypriot bank), probably from Thailand.
Young Angela or young Angela's mom? They seemed to be hinting more at parallel dimensions rather than time travel.
@@markocroatia7630 Young Angela is definitively not a Thai person
@@lorenzoamato953 Young Angela appears as a kid in a dream eliott have something like that there was a key involved in the scene
Love China secretary of state guy's quote when talking to price, "Don't mistakes my generosity for generosity."
Man, your re the best., you pieced things together I didn't even ever imagined they square . I love your reviews and logic, makes sense. I m addicted to the show since episode one. Thank you for sharing!
I'm so sad that i discovered you just a week ago. I watched all your latest video about theories in Mr Robot and now I'm twenty times more mind ducked than before!
When I watch your videos it's like I was watching something else, not the same episode as you!
Good job man, love you!
Sam is the final personality and it will turn into a "Twin Peaks" meta where the character in the show realizes his reality is a tv show. That's why Elliott talks to us.
Elliott has died a lot already and Sam has written himself into the show to save Elliott. I think the first season is actually the end of the time loop and the 5 9 hack is what stops the machine AKA the TV SHOW plot because after that we see Elliott's character living the normal life where its all good but that was before we knew multiple realities were already created. So when Elliott stops talking to us, which is Sam, as a creator of the show, showing us a whole new reality where what would happen if the hack didn't work. Which is stated by Whiterose in episode exit.
We already have seen how it ends, we haven't seen how it started.
•Irving’s voice•
Uh, hu...
"That's sounds more like a YP instead of a MP"
I loved your pace and tone of voice, really calm and comprehensive. Thank you for the video, I've really enjoyed
I always thought it would be more fitting to the show if Whiterose's project was a virtual world that you could plug yourself into and experience a "perfect" universe that you wanted. Kinda similar to the universe we see when Elliot goes inside of his head.
I agree or even if it was a time machine or alternate reality that would have been better than how the show ended.
@@curiosityshop2297 YES, THANKS! Idk how so many people liked that shitty ending that explained nothing and just added another personality to the mix, something we already had on season one. On S1 it was amazing to understand Mr robot was just in Elliot's mind, but they press the same button again in the end to say the same fucking thing, again. Tyrell seeing a light? Nope, we'll not address that; Whiterose building a fucking billionaire group of the 100 most powerful and rich men in the world and also having a group of people who rather kill themselves than getting caught, just to build a machine? Nope, we'll not address the machine as well. Let's just leave it open to interpretation. GOD I hate writers who do that and are recognized by "being smart" from most of the audience. For me it was the worst ending to a good show I've ever seen.
Also, that'd be pretty dope. The show hints a lot about time travel (they even go to the movies watch back to the future... It couldn't be more obvious than that...) But in the end, it's never adressed. I feel like they created so much suspense they weren't able to wrap it up in a way that they'd answer all the questions they created. Kinda like Lost was a major disappointment for a lot of people.
@@Henrique.Souza0601 well if they all believed in the time travel them killing themselves meant nothing since they'd end up alive again. If you didn't like the ending just say that.
@@sp3cialed1 they DID say they didn't like the ending though
It's not time travel, its parralell universes, thats why we see the particle accelorator, because its to do with string theory.
A chicken dinner for you sir.
jep, and now the scifi shit goes down
Whiterose is the higgs boson, spoilers
I think I figured it out though... I think Elliot in the hoody is the 3rd personality because Elliot himself is somebody else who will turn out to be our main character that we get introduced to in the finale 2 hour episode and it will be revealed that this person is having a breakdown because if you look at the Skype call with Angela the reflection of Elliot on the call is kind of blurry and doesn't really resemble Elliot exactly and that the nuclear power plant scenario was like the unleashing of this multiple personality issue kind of like the prison reality of season 2 kinda like the prison of our mind... So maybe it's not a parallel reality but just actual reality after all this time living in a fantasy of the mind so to speak...
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Or not at all.
You are a genius, yur videos are never too long - I would sit and listen to you ramble these theories for hours.
Great video mate, extensive research and tons of effort I can see is put into this
The ending doesn't really matter to me, it's the journey that has been interesting and fun 😁
Turns out the ending recreates the show
That's another way of saying the ending sucks
Endings dont have to suck. The problem is that it is not even an ending in the simplest sense of the word. It is not a conclusion to Elliot's story, it is the beginning of someone elses story. It was a twist, for shock value. That would have been fine for the climax or middle of the story, but it was time for the end of the story, not another cliffhanger. Not another twist.
Thank you for another interesting video. Can’t wait for the next one.
MY THEORY: is that the third personality is "Sam". Sam has several times deleted elliot's memories so he can control him. Reinstalled him with a new drive routine, destroy the elite for some shit (perhaps so he can steal white roses machine?). The "hello friend" thing is elliot talking to sam, the silent observer, but he doesn't know it yet. We have several times during the show seen the actual "Sam esmail observe Elliott. Sam seems to be able to block mr robots awareness of him as well. When elliot is upset in season 1 after finding out something he should have known he asks "us" if we knew about it, if we were in on it. When he gets home he looks in the mirror, and we see flashes of the other characters of the show, Darlene, Tyrell, mr robot and Angela.. AAAAANNND we actually see Sam esmails face in the fucking mirror.
When elliot "fell" from the window, his "dad" and his "mom" run outside to find him. All worried. There we actually hear his "dad" scream SAM!! I thought it was son the whole time, but it's actually sam. So now I don't believe it's even his parents running out. By now we clearly know elliot's mom doesn't give a shit about him and never did, in the hospital she's more worried about the cost of the bills than elliot's health. So the one running out to save elliot is actually mr.robot and his imaginary mother. But they're actually more worried about sam. Their real boss and perhaps even their creator. In season 4 we see the actual Sam Esmail inject something into elliot when he gets caught in the honeypot. Then we actually see elliot having flashbacks from season 1.. including something on a fucking computer screen. I believe what we are actually seeing is sam about remove all of elliot's memories and reinstall his drive routines. But he noticed that they were caught by mr. Price so he aborts it.
Now THAT is a theory.
@@gangstarrskillz thank you ! Btw we've seen sam esmail the person on several occasions.. in the first episode he's in the train standing up when we get introduced to mr.robot for the first time. And we also see him in prison with elliot observing him yet again. If you listen to elliot's monologues you will notice he really is talking to someone with more power than him. His "friend" ... and that's why when sam is about to give him an overdose and "delete his memories" he actually says "goodbye friend." His old friend sam was the one who taught him how to do the " lucid dreaming ". But as we know by now.. elliot never had any friends except for Angela.
That would actually really explain why Elliot completely forgot who his sister was in the first season.
@@jaredc5169 exactly! After he kisses her in season one Darlene says : did you forget again elliot!? That suggests that someone (probably sam) has removed his memories several times. The whole show started with elliot saying "hello friend" and then he starts talking about the illuminati conspiracy if you will. I believe what we are actually seeing there is elliot being rebooted. Sam just woke him up. They have probably been fighting eachother for years. I'm starting to feel that maybe sam is someone from a parallel universe that lives inside of elliot or some shit like that. Because now we know that elliot was born in the Washington township where his dad worked on whiterose's machine. Anyway.. this will be exciting
@@afrodinho Or Sam is the architect of the entire simulation, kinda like the architect dude in the Matrix. I can't wait for the finale.
Great video. I love seeing people analyze this show, and I love seeing people analyze Whiterose's motivations.
"They start taking some weird ass BuzzFeed quiz" hahahaha SO glad I found you. These reviews and speculations are not only very smart and informative, but humorous. I'm here forever.
thank you!!
It's not about time travel it's dimensions and other realities
Half the fun of this show during the time it was new was talking about it and all our theories on reddit and discord. It was just so fun.
Love your take and your humor, as always! And I want to go on record with the idea that Whiterose’s project is actually something that downloads consciousness-which could be defined as brain content, personality, soul, etc.
Leukemia in the plant employees could be the side effect of early and imperfect brain downloads. Such brain content could then be uploaded to new people/personas, or machines. It would explain why Whiterose keeps insists that people aren’t dead or don’t have to be gone. It would also make sense that a project like this would be motivated by losing her partner, and wanting to prevent that in the world.
I’m probably wrong but, if I’m not, then I’m going to get a prominent tattoo that reads, “I Hacked Mr. Robot”.
"They sit through some weird-ass BuzzFeed quiz" 😂😂😂
I was thinking more Voigt-Kampf test but...
@@shortjohnsilver4605 Tyrell had an analog quiz conducted by a coked up Sicilian. INCONCEIVABLE!
Not time travel, but parallel world
Primer is easily one of the top 3 movies of time travel of all time. Indie and very low budget, still mind blowing. Totally loved the homage reference in Mr. Robot.
Where’s the reference?
I'm sticking with the most frequently referenced movie - Back to the Future 2. I'm pretty sure multiple versions of some characters have been running around the show from the beginning. Angela and Tyrell are top contenders besides Elliot, of course. And that hamburger guy sure seems to get around doesn't he? Elliot's 3rd alt (3rd? 4th? what are we up to now?) might he a Biff Tannen character, someone who uses information from the future to change the past somehow and our Elliot intends to correct things but lost his memory somewhere along the way 12 Monkeys style. That would, in fact, mean he and White Rose are on the same side as she says. That epic meeting between White Rose and Angela has been messing with me for the longest. Because it appears to take place in the past, with a past version of herself. The questions might be meant to verify which Angela she is or to get information that would allow another Angela to take her place which is likely what happened.
Okay, good talk. Thanks for reading.
You mean the sandwich guy?
@@jehouse61 This guy (full screen the image). So much depends on a red wheelbarrow... mrrobot.fandom.com/wiki/Hamburger_Man
So Angela is alive but a different person?
@@SpideyDelivers Same person but there's 2 of her.
@@bodhisattvaFM shes alive :o
What if we're the third personality!
we were the real Elliot all along
@@rakib7918 you right homie
We are big brother
@@rakib7918 we were one of the many personalities of the real Elliot.
Well done :)
i worked this out halfway through the final season. (the walking in the snow ep confirmed it.)
But this whole time travel theory in this video is a red herring. At best, it's unimportant.
The only thing that mattered were stopping whiterose and elliot's personalities finding peace and releasing elliot.
came to this show completely blind and finished watching it for the first time a couple of days ago. i personally didn't bother giving any thought to what whiterose's machine could be and i didn't think that any of the plot mattered because a binge watch makes it pretty clear that it's about elliot's personal growth and not strictly about a revolution and its consequences.
I wish I didn’t binge this show, kind of annoyed me.
@@Taylorbaby831 I binged the show too and was a bit dissatisfied with the ending. I was more concerned with the machine and thought Eliot could have had a great life if he stayed in the alternate reality.
This show is much better to watch one episode weekly IMO
@@curiosityshop2297 That would be an awful and cheap ending. This show was always about realism and mental health. in fact, elliots battle to keep his sanity was the most interesting part in my opinion
You are the alt shift x of mr robot, love your vids, keep it up
Why haven't we talked about Leon disappearing Dom and Darlene? The fate of Trenton and Mobley come to mind whenever I see Leon, and they did not deserve what they got. His references in his conversation with Dom were impeccable, but I kept feeling like I was about to be assasinated at any moment. 😂😂
I had an eery feeling when they stopped at the rest stop to catch a mirror. I felt terrible when he dropped the ladies off at Logan Airport where the 9/11 planes originated (Stage 2 struck a nerve close to home for me). Then we have Irving selling his book at the gift shop. He assured Dom, "They're not after you. They're working on something bigger." REALLY?? WHAT could be bigger than bankrupting the Deus Group and exposing White Rose? What is in that book you made Dom buy, Irving? This inquiring mind wants to KNOW. 😊😂
He truly only cares about paper
Yes so many unanswered questions. What was Irving all about? How come he was chilling selling books after the group he seemed to be a pretty high up party had just fallen apart? What with the other Chinese guy always eating? What was his deal?
Having just watched e11, I can say with certainty it's parallel universe theory at play here - F Corp instead of E- Corp. That wouldn't happen in a time travel model, but if it's like the show "Sliders" it totally makes more sense. Can't wait for the double episode finale to see where this ends up.
Haha they fooled you
Wow was I asleep for 4 seasons? I never caught any of this. I need to rewatch.
Love your theories!!!
I just found your channel and I dig it. I feel the next few episodes will address these issues:
White Rose and Elliot are going to finally talk about WR's machine in this episode and "correcting the past" through its use. This meeting may finally detail what happened during Elliott's three missing days around the 5/9 attack and the missing time when Darlene ran into Vera. The third alter could take over the discussion with WR, and the audience may see the personality switch happen.
The machine is a particle collider, which based on String Theory, may create alternate realities apart from the world we see on the show. To me, this is a metaphor for Elliott's alters functioning within his mind without detection from other people besides Darlene and Angela (who have direct knowledge of his mental illness).
Elliot returns to the plant where his father and Angela's mother were poisoned by the cancer causing gas. I thought the plant was shut down and abandoned, but apparently it was not after the accidental gas leak, it just could not be inspected. WR's machine is still there after all this time, and seems to be working presently.
Angela said, "I (she) saw it", before she died. Philip Price ordered Elliot to, "Destroy it", before he died. So, if Elliot destroys the machine, will he also symbolically destroy Mr. Robot and the third alter? If that is the case, it may allow his mind to accept the reality of what has happened in his world as a result of his actions since October 31, 2014 until December 26, 2015?
He may also finally accept everything that happened on the fateful day when he was pushed or jumped out of the window as a juvenile. I feel the missing time is related to something else from that day, which may be revealed due to the meeting with White Rose. Confronting WR may allow Elliot to confront all the things about himself that his mind has tried to protect him from.
Somebody, anybody, PLEASE EXPLAIN why, not just Elliot and Darlene, but Mr Robot, Dom, the FBI, F Society, Price, Tyrell etc. WHY have they all been so ignorant and uninterested in White Rose's project? Dark Army has been willing to kill anyone to protect it, its clearly been WR's raison d etre from the beginning and still folks don't think twice about it. Elliot is Mr Details, as I recall he even knows that Krista's into anal but he could give a fuck about even basic info about WR's change reality machine? This all makes zero sense. Unless the third personality is down and deep with WR and her machine and no one knows it except him. To say they just dont know about it, is garbage. Gotta believe this is either a big, big-assed plot hole or we gots a big reveal headed our way. What are your ideas?
@@armandocorpus9211 BIG $$ connections making it "go away" or hush money. you scratch my back Ill scratch yours....
@@armandocorpus9211 I have to believe a large part of everyone outside of Elliot/Mr Robot/Price/WR not knowing anything has to do with what a particle collider consists of. Most people never think of this until some kind of spill happens. Consider this:
1. It is powered by nuclear energy, which is strictly controlled by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and the U.S. Energy Department, and it's whereabouts is supposed to always be accounted for. Remember, Angela tried to blow the whistle about the spill/plant/machine to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in Season 2, but was intercepted by WR and the Dark Army.
2. Most people have no idea of what the machine and spill means, so try to relate it to the Three Mile Island nuclear plant incident from 1979 (which nearly melted down) and Homer Simpson's work habits at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant. (Dooh!!😂😂Homer's bad work habits is how mistakes can happen, but I digressed 😂).
3.This is a physical danger to the public and a legal matter for the two agencies. The FBI or Home Land Security would only get involved if for some reason, the nuclear energy was reported missing (think about the bomb in Syriana the movie); there is a spill of some type (think of the EPA and Love Canal, NY); there is a possible terrorist threat on their radar (Boston Marathon bombing); or a few other situations that come to mind. The general public would not be notified and all the agencies would keep it top secret as a way to thwart other bad actors. Think of it like the movie Silkwood, which was about Karen Silkwood who died after possible deliberate exposure to radiation at a nuclear facility.
4. The size of a collider is massive, so it cannot be moved easily. Thus, once it was started in the early 1990s, it would not have been moved from the plant without being inspected before being decommissioned to be moved somewhere else. This is why the refusal of inspection was, so important to White Rose. She continued to work on the machine despite the plant having released the cancer causing gas, which is totally illegal. This is also why no one thought of it because it was out of sight and out of mind. A collider is usually underground and stretched over a few miles in order to operate.
5. I assumed the plant was closed after the accident. Evidently it was not, or it was made to look as if it was no longer working on the machine. The family members were tied up in a class action lawsuit against E Corp for the deaths of the 24 employees that was first decided against them when Darlene was 4 or 5, which is how she knew of the lawyer she killed after taking over her house for FSociety. The law suit was then resurrected when Colby and E Corp was taken down by FSociety in 2015 because Angela pressed Philip Price to get her the inside information about the case.
6. Just moving the collider from state to state takes a lot of preparation and agreement between the states. Moving it to another country will call for international approvals and other stipulations. Pressumably, a country like the Congo would have fewer restrictions and controls than a country like France or Italy. WR would direct everything regarding the machine because the Congo officials would not scrutinize her or the machine prior to its use.
7. WR kept the machine a secret just like she kept her real identity as a trans woman secret and masqueraded in public as Minister Zhing. She kept her affair with her dead lover secret even after his death. She kept her acceptance of her promotion to the technology czar position secret from her lover after promising him they would leave China and move to America. She kept her creation of the Dark Army secret from the Chinese government. She kept her involvement with the Deus Group secret, so she was to kept the machine secret while she completed it. Price knew about it because of the spill at the plant and Angela's mother's death. He made sure the mortgage on the property was paid and prevented the inspections, so WR had to let him know about the machine against her will, which began her resentment for Philip.
Having said all THAT, I feel those reasons are the reasons why Mr. Robot/Elliot/3rd personality decided to put their plan in effect to take down E Corp around November 2014. Edward Alderson aka Mr Robot had worked on the initial stages of the machine, so his persona would know that the machine was near completion and about to be implemented based upon WR's original time tables. Mr Robot is Elliott's idealized version of his abusive father, Edward Alderson, but despite the abuse, I feel he still loved(s) his father.
With that said, the Elliot who speaks to us would try to avenge his father's death due to the E Corp spill. He could not do it as the helpless juvenile we see in flashbacks, but he can do it now as a grown adult. Mr Robot aka Edward Alderson was angry at the time of his death due to the leak at the plant, and would like to get revenge against the company whose practices led to his death. Thus, this angry persona pops up in Elliott's mind to ensure he helps Elliot our narrator eventually seek revenge against E Corp and simultaneously absolve himself of his past abuses.
The 3rd persona is cunning and necessary to lure unsuspecting people into trusting Elliot, and then turning the tables on them once he gains their trust through social engineering. He had to lie in wait many years to get even with everyone who caused juvenile Elliott's, Darlene's, and Angela's pain and injustice. I feel Elliot the narrator retreated within his own mind after the window incident, but the 3rd personality woke up and took note of everyone and everything that was going on in relationship to juvenile Elliot (himself) and Edward Alderson's death.
Philip Price secretly kept an eye on Angela her entire life. I feel after the families sued E Corp, WR kept an eye on all the family members that sued to always counter their attempts to inspect the plant. This surveillance is how WR and Price had knowledge of Elliott's mental issues. Likewise, the 3rd personality used his own counter surveillance to stalk WR and the other E Corp officials. When he was ready to exact his revenge, he tapped into Mr Robot's technical knowledge about the machine and Elliott's hacking skills without either of them knowing it.
WR used Angela's hope to see her mother again against her, and as a way to control Angela. But, we know this ended badly for Angela because she did not understand who the Dark Army or WR was. She wanted revenge against E Corp for her mother's death, gave up her control when she joined WR after getting caught at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, and assisted the stage 2 attack.
As I stated, Darlene killed the lawyer who laughed in court when the verdict against the families was announced. So, she got her personal revenge against E Corp for her father's death. Darlene and Mr. Robot pulled off the 5/9 attack and she just redistributed the money from the Deus group, so Edward Alderson aka Mr Robot got his revenge for his death at E Corp's hand.
The 3rd personality is where all of this gets tricky. Elliot the narrator does not wish to kill anyone or let someone die because of his actions like Vera killed Shayla. I feel the 3rd personality does not care about any collateral losses of life as long as he gets revenge and avenges the harm done to juvenile Elliot by Edward Alderson (the real parent) and E Corp whose leak caused Edward's and Mrs. Moss's deaths.
Narrator Elliot called off the original attack on Steele Mountain when he realized innocent people would die if they blew up the nearby utility plant. Narrator Elliot kept disrupting Stage 2 because he knew innocent people may die if it succeeded. We know how Tyrell, Mr Robot, and narrator Elliot fought about carrying out Stage 2 because narrator Elliot's conscious would not let it happen even when he was sleep. I feel the fights at the Red Wheel Barrel was the 3rd personality saying in the background he did not care if anyone else died because he wanted his revenge against E Corp at any cost. Mr. Robot was agreeable to stage 2, but seemed ambivalent to the deaths as long as he got what he wanted.
Angela went along with the stage 2 plan because she believed in WR's machine and thought she could fix any collateral damages with it if their plan was successful. We know what happened to her after she realized she could not reverse time as if Stage 2 never happened. Now, narrator/3rd personality Elliot have to destroy the machine like WR destroyed Angela, the love of their life in order to get revenge and avenge her death. Thus, when the machine and WR are destroyed, there should no longer be a need for Mr Robot or the 3rd personality as tools to implement revenge against E Corp. If it all happens, narrator Elliot and juvenile Elliot could reconcile their life and the consequences of their actions since the window incident.
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@@margaretmccall7726 you put more effort in this single comment than the writers in the whole 4th season. Thanks.
OMG! You have predicted all of this before episode 11. You are a genius!
Oh my god I am so excited 3 episode left
Thank you for pointing out the reference to Primer, I can't believe I didn't catch that.
Such a unique show
The actual reveal of WR being Zhang was at the end of S1, not During S2, though that is when Zhang's position is revealed as the Minister of State Security.
I'm glad I happened to watch this without seeing the last two episodes
great stuff as always B.X. Yeah still want to know about those 3 missing days.....hope we get to see a flashback of what happened BEFORE he show started in S1....
Another thing went unnoticed and no one spoke about is Darlene's head injury from before the hack when she was captured with Dom, and the next episode she was just normal, what happened !!!
We noticed it, but are tolerating it because so much is in each episode since the series is ending.
Dom not having law enforcement arrest her in the hospital is not plausible. Dom running through the airport with a punctured lung without bleeding or passing out was even more unbelievable than the bruises. No discussion with Leon about Trenton and Mobley was not realistic. "You think Leon is my name?", down right insulting to Dom and the audience. A lot has been glazed over in each episode, but we're all trying to see the finale and waiting on the final outcome of everything.
@Debbie yes maam, I agree. If it doesn't tie up a lot of stuff, it will be a big let down for smart show.
@@margaretmccall7726 None of this really matters if my theory is correct. That is, if the show knows that it's a TV show.
"You think Leon is my name?" - No, it's Joey Bada$$
''See you next episode!'' - Leon
Angela is still alive because the actress who plays her is alive
etc etc
It reminded me of Twin Peaks, which is a show about characters finding out they're in a TV show.
@@BradHominem 😄😊😂...I felt NOT Found (episode 4 season 4), when Tyrell was shot seemed very much like Twin Peaks, X-Files, or Lost. I hope we do not get the very bad ending after 4 compressed seasons of being led down a rabbit hole. I'm trying to keep hope alive for a sensible ending, but my hope has become fleeting, if you know what I mean...😊🙏
@@BradHominem love your avatar 👍👍
I'm wondering if that was an alternate Angela in season 3 now.
I realize how much I forgot about the show and how much more sense everything make than I thougt..
This channel is criminally underratted
OR, Elliot find's a way of arbitrary code execution to hack himself out of his reality into his host-reality - ous. The show ends with him becoming Rami Malek.
Olly Wood I think it’s true and watch the No Time to Die 007 trailer Rami maleks lines in the trailer make sense lol wow
@@nickford3328 I just watched it and you're right, it would fit. Just another reality, another iteration in the Alderson Loop where Elliot didn't chose the exit condition.
“The best part is when he strangles his mother to death in Chapter 12. Spoiler Alert!” -Irving S4E10
omg I wonder... ahhh too many things to keep up with!!!
Your best video to date, fucking amazing x thank you 🙏🏼 lmao your edit of the psychedelic fever dream that some ppl want the finale to be killed me 😂
hahah thank u!
It's a great theory if love to see it be true
That helped a lot, thank you 🙏
So it was an alternate reality where Eliot ends up, however Eliot had lied to us before.
Man you are a legend
another clue that you could add to your theory is that s04e06 you can see white rose being interrupted by her "assistant" in front of a whiteboard. The inscriptions on that board sure looks like quantum physics, so it relates with the VLHC. At least you can "add" that to the series of clues the show gives.
the two young Anegla's are played by the same actors, as well as that there are some really weird instances in the last episode of the clocks on the walls and time changing as well as doms hair changing color, people are saying that it could be two different versions of them we're seeing in that episode
your my favorite youtuber mate
FFS: came here trying to find out about what Whiterose's plan was, and don't realise until the end that this was released before all the episodes were released.
**SPOILERS BELOW**
Pretty sure the machine was just a McGuffin. They leave hints about the sort of thing the machine could be, but it's never confirmed. I like this theory. It makes sense. However, the thing that's pissing me off about Mr Robot's ending is that everything with Whiterose and her plan was meaningless in the end. It had no bearing on the story. The machine could solve world hunger, or be a big bomb, and it would change nothing. Everything about Whiterose's character, Angela's arc: all meaningless. Genuinely very frustrating. And as interesting as the finale was, at the end of the day, I don't think they expected that to be the conclusion from when they started the show. I'm not necessarily berating the creators, but after a twist like S4E7, this ending to the show didn't feel satisfying to me. At the end of the day: 5.9 was pointless; the cyber bombings weren't resolved like the show implied with Angela and Whiterose; the cyber bombings didn't really develop Elliot/Mastermind's character since it resulted in guilt before reverting to vengeance; it's unclear why Mr Robot would always be treating Mastermind like the real Elliot if he knew; and the show implies Tyrell found something but I guess he just died and his character ended up being kinda pointless. I really enjoyed the show, but in many ways it would have been better without the last 3 episodes and if they left it with a vague ending, or reveal who the real Elliot is and just end it there.
If Whiterose was just someone hungry for power with a deluded idea of their motivation, that would be okay. It would be good if Angela had just been tricked, and Whiterose's project collapsed from lack of funding and was left vague, as that would clearly imply it was a selfish plan. However, by having Whiterose behave as she did in the final episodes, and with Elliot trying to uncover the mysteries of the machine and that game, the show is telling us it wasn't simply a selfish endeavour on the part of Whiterose. But then they do nothing with it! Not sure if anyone feels the same way, but for a great show, it sure had a very frustrating and underwhelming ending.
Thank you! I felt exactly the same way when I finished the show and it was even more frustrating that almost nobody seemed to be bothered by it
Well done man 👍 well done
I need to start watching this show.
I cannot wait until next week. This show is the most unpredictable and exciting thing I’ve ever watched. I just hope Elliot isn’t dying in the reactor and that we only saw a hallucination.
He doesn’t die, he goes into a separate dimension where he isn’t a loser
One of the coolest things about this show is that Esmail had the entire story line since before season 1 started, so whats happening know and what happened in S1 is a perfect continuation of events that can be traced back from previews seasons, unlike some other shows that scramble to tie thing up when they determine that the shows needs to end (cough got) before the story is complete.
No way this is true, there was so much filler, wasted characters, plotholes, etc.
nicely done!
Thank you for no-BS review (refreshing). And, I do believe Sam Esmail was trolling us all this time.
Good job! Just.... good job.
One of the best series of all time
the contemplation mo9ves me very deeply like a hotel and monorails
YES!!!!!!!! I noticed the hadron collider similarity also!!!! ( I have seen it in the US at Fermi lab and the Large one is at CERN) --- agree with your theory on time or dimension travel !!!!
My, oh my.. I'm so glad FINALLY someone made a connection to Primer :]
I have to say it BEFORE the last three episodes air, I believe there are three possible choices for the 3rd personality:
1. Sam Sepiol who facilitated FSociety taking over Steele Mountain in season one. Elliot uses that name as his handle when he hacks. I feel this is the strongest likelihood, and we may find out Elliot Alderson is Sam Sepiol's alter who Sam created after the window incident while Edward Alderson was dying.
2. Edward Alderson may be the third personality as himself the real life abusive father who was poisoned at the plant. This is NOT Mr Robot, who is Elliott's idealized version of his father. This is the actual deceased father's persona WHO junevile Elliot is still trying to please by getting revenge against E Corp and anyone else he feels contributed to his death.
3. Kevin McAllister the snow man Darlene and Elliot made as kids. I feel this is the weakest possibility, and is the McGuffin in the plot. The snowman may have been the first "friend" Elliot told about his abuse. Eventually, he may have felt the need to escape by expressing himself through the snowman, Kevin McAllister, which led to the other alters.
I believe Sam Sepiol is the 3rd personality. Elliot is one of Sam's alters. Sam retreated into Elliot as a way to control his own anger and bad impulses. Darlene and Angela knew this, which allowed them to seamlessly relate to all four personalities at will (juvenile Elliot, narrator Elliot, Mr Robot, and Sam). Thoughts?
Well done!
Literally can’t wait for Your next video on eXit!!!!! When can we all expect you to post?
Tomorrow probs, thank u!
You hack people and I hack time -White Rose
"Wars, and media, and f-ing Facebook". BRILLIANT!!!
Assuming that the trips between universes are pure science fiction and given the paradoxes that they would entail, and discarding them, i suggest that Witherose's machine was trying to reboot the universe, detonating a collision of adrones and triggering a new big bang, It is the reason why in his philosophy of life there was no fear to death, in the end the ultimate path led us all to it.
What about Angela met herself as a kid in that room before Whiterose? We'll never know.
Great analysis. Yeah, it's too soon to call. But all this theory is what makes this show so good. Soon, the show will reveal itself...or will it. I hope it isn't a major cop out to interpretation. Anything can happen. The discussion and possibilites/theories made this show so much better as a viewer. I don't think we will get the ending we want because we had so many great outs from the public. But even a quote from this very video has...it's the journey. ARG's are amazing.
I WANT the show to end in some crazy stuff!
Mr. Robot has a lot of similarities with Evangelion
How? I love both btw
More of fight club
@@darkman4747 repressed (mostly childhood) traumas for every character
yah time travel does start to make sense also the parallel universe, coz we last clip shows elliot meeting elliot at the end. am guessing parallel universe
Isn’t that the original Elliot?, I thought the whole twist was that the Elliot we followed until now was just another personality, right?
You. Called. It. The room Elliot and Angela went to with Whiterose functions like the box from Primer. The radiation poisoning that Edward and Angela's mom went through was because of their use of the machine. The 21 workers and the coverup were part of Whiterose using the machine to show the parents of important characters the alternate reality she was working towards. Really excited to see how this ends
He didn't "call it". He's literally said the opposite of this from the jump.
@ 3:30 Where Bxan says he "doesn't buy it" [THIS theory] czcams.com/video/ZEXLDb5Wuao/video.html
And he says he's ready to hear "I called it" or "I told you so." I called it in the comments here:
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Right! So Elliot isn't really in this other world yet. Whiterose is just SHOWING it to him. Don't you think?
@@barneymiller5488 Idk..While on Twitter-with ppl wondering how to save that ending, I again, posited that perhaps it was just a dream. And someone tweeted at me to say: "Of course it is/was, bc Magda said: 'That poor boy has been asleep forever.', remember? How else would Elliot/the "other one" get to this reality?"
Oof. Wasn't ready for that. We are stuck with 4x11 as canon.. unless "Virtual Reality"-another tweeted.
Who is here after Mr. Robot "eXit".
Gosh! You were so right!!🔥 Your theories are just Perfect!
Didn't come back to update for the finale? 🤣
Hah.
Compared to the bigger twist about Elliot in the final scenes, yeah it was a McGuffin
You were right 🔥🔥🔥
His notebook in the prison part could be a reference to Butterfly Effect?
Esmail: "Yes, parallel worlds exist... In your head."
**forced laughter**
Could have been San Junipero from Black Mirror (requires lots of energy and had to be voluntary), could have been TENET, could have been implant versions of the jumping devices in Everything Everywhere All At Once (my personal favorite). In the words of Zhang, the contemplation moves me very deeply.
Wow I’m shocked when you mentioned Half-Life ^^
Definitely I’ll subscribe bro
thank u!
The machine is Javi and Peanuts.
I was also watching The Man in the High Castle and Dark at this point of the series. When the machine exploded and goes all white then Elliot wakes up in a peaceful town with the Mr Robot song, I thought it was a different reality/universe.
What about the reality where Hitler cured cancer, Morty? The answer is don't think about it.
Oh he put that twist in.