Ever Forward Goes Forward | Chief MAKOi
Vložit
- čas přidán 18. 04. 2022
- After more than a month of being stuck in the mud in Chesapeake Bay, the Evergreen container ship, MV Ever Forward, has finally been refloated.
This salvage operation has surely cost millions of dollars. But who will be held liable? Since a local pilot was onboard, in case of a pilot error, will the pilot / Pilot Association be held liable?
What is General Average? • Ever Given Owner Decla...
Chief MAKOi
Seaman Vlog
#everforward
I learn more in 6 minutes of Chief's videos than an hour of 'news' on cable or over the air. Thanks again, Chief!
Mark, what are you going to do with your free time?
Covid is just the distraction, while we struggle with masks or not, vaxx or not, employment or not our elected officials and bureaucrats behind the curtain are quietly removing our private property rights, our right to travel, our right to assemble, banning protest, our ability to use cash money and bringing in digital id and digital currency and now seizing peoples bank accounts. TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT ! Until the people wake up and you impact the World Economic Forum affiliated politicians and big businesses that run government and are supporting and driving the lock downs, nothing is going to change. The World Economic Forum, the United Nations UN Agenda 2030 and government controlled media are our biggest threats. Covid is the mechanism by which they are destroying the middle class and private/mom and pop businesses. Many of our government officials including Federal MP Chrystia Freeland, Conseritive Michelle 'Pronouns' Rempel, Federal NDP leader Jagmeet Singh and BC Premier John Horgan (and i am sure there are many more) are affiliated with the World Economic Forum (you will own nothing and be happy). What little democracy we have left is in the process of being subverted. Our elections are supposed to "feel" organic and grassroots but these people are groomed and then presented for us to "elect" and then they magically do the opposite of what we want them to do.
They are going to tax you out of your car with $10 a litre gas and force you to live in their smart cities, when will you say ENOUGH?!
The whole idea is to print money till they destroy people's savings through low interest and high inflation and collapse the dollar and bring in a one world digital currency, add to that more crushing debt for our grand kids to never be able to pay off.
All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.“ Edmund Burke
[“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”]
An evil enemy will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes.' - Sun Tzu
IF this message resonates with you please share with others as i am shadow banned and can not make a direct comment. Thank you, Rain Coast.
The bankers will ensure we stay in debt. The pharmaceutical companies will ensure we stay sick. The weapons manufacturers will ensure we keep going to war. The media will ensure we are prevented from knowing the truth. The government will ensure that all of this is done legally.
@@fk319fk you do mean the other 23 Hours 54 minutes remaining 🕰🕛😄?
Information link to international regulations requirements on responsibilities is missing ...
The communication between captain and pilot is missing ...
"Wo Du wolle? - Nix verstehn!"
(5:30) The vessel is not under the command of the pilot but under his advice !!!
Yes the Fake News media is more concerned with what your government insists upon keeping the Facts redacted or never mentioned at all
As a former seafarer and still involved with the industry, I am delighted that these kind of videos that are circulating on the internet are giving a useful and informative insight into the life of the modern seafarer. So many people who are not associated with the industry don't have a clue how tough the life can be for seafarers in transporting all the goods the public purchases on a day to day basis. Well done to all the video makers out there in bringing a glimpse of our seafaring life into the public domain.
Information link to international regulations requirements on responsibilities is missing ...
The communication between captain and pilot is missing ...
"Wo Du wolle? - Nix verstehn!"
(5:30) The vessel is not under the command of the pilot but under his advice !!!
The salvage crew really did a great job!
Yes they did, I’d love to hear their report.
We already learned this lesson. The Captain is always responsible even when the ship is under “control” of a local pilot.
Except when sailing through the Panama Canal, then the pilot has full responsibility. I thought that Chief Makoi would mention it. 🚢
Then why be required to have a pilot?
It seems to me, that you hire a pilot for their knowledge of the local water. There should be some accountability.
(This assumes the pilot was at fault. If not, I still think the question is valid.)
@@fk319fk The pilot is an advisor. They have no actual power to tell anyone to do anything.
@@AnarexicSumo If an advisor gives you wrong informations on which to base your decision, and you're also obliged to have this advisor, then you should be able to claim against him.
If a plane is going for a landing in low visibility conditions, and ground control tells him to descend to X altitude, and then it crashes into a mountain because that altitude was too low, the responsibility falls on ground control, not on the captain of the plane nor the owners of the plane. Because the captain is just doing what he's told to do, as he should.
@@AnarexicSumo unless it's a Suez Canal Pilot, then you better do what they say or the government will come down hard on you lol
Just like in the Navy, the ultimate responsibility lies with the Captain.
Kinda unfair for port to mandate a pilot on board, for which you pay and then have 0 responsibility.
I was just planning to scroll chief Makoi's previous videos for binge watching then suddenly the Chief Uploaded a new video so I guess I gotta watch this first. 😅
Best ruined plan ever 😉😁
I'm here to learn more from you Chief...Keep adding us knowledge. God bless you 💯
A six minute tutorial, far better than any news live TV. But surely it will be the general public who will pay the price? As the product goes up!
Thank you Chief Makoi for the great explanation!
When my brain answered your question in the intro about the pilot's responsibility it came up with "the pilot is and advisor andthe captain remains the master of the ship".
So when you referred back to those terms from a previous i realized where I'd learned those terms 😁.
As others have noted 6 minutes with the Chief beats all the news coverage of the incident.
Keep up the good work.
The problem with most news coverage is that now days, they don't tell you any of the facts of an event.
They give you 'their opinion,' of what happened in any event.
And then that opinion gets filtered through things, like political motivation, the common mainstreme narrative, and anonymous experts.
🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑 "OUCH" .... EVERGREEN has really been forking-out the $$$$$ lately ..... GREAT video, Chief .... "Thank you" !!!!
"You have to use my pilot by law, but if he is incompetent and causes an accident he is protected by law and you foot the bill." Naaaahhhh, you lose. Thank you for this absolutely clear description of a fully illogical and unjust situation. Thank you for all of your efforts to enlighten us in all things nautical.
That's the sad truth.
But - let's see. I assume Coastguard (or who else is in charge) will investigate - and the voice recorder will be very interesting.
Make him walk the plank if he screws up....
News that matters. Thanks for answering my questions before I asked!
Chief l said it before you are the only one who can make a good story so much better thanks again for your great work ronrdzl
Excellent presentation. I liked your videos, most have not been scene on the local TV news. Your reporting is better than any of the talking heads on TV.
Interesting I just assumed that the pilot was responsible for the safety of the ship traveling safely through the Bay..
That's common misconception even often among the sailors. I've always explained it like this. Captain should have general knowledge of the area from the chart, publications like sailing directions and tide tables, current situation in the area from other equipment like radars. Captain also has other officers with him on the bridge that share their knowledge. Any maneuver that may cause an accident can be overruled by the captain. Like in this situation, the captain should realize that not making the turn in time or at all will cause grounding. They have the knowledge about the current tide situation, charted depth and ship's draft. In some cases court may rule that pilot also takes a responsibility if they were giving some misinformation or the cause of an accident was something that captain couldn't have known, but the pilot did. Audio and devices are being recorded by the voyage data recorder ('a black box'), so evidence is clear.
Hi chief, thanks for another infotainment video which I always look forward. You are not just technical,but have the marine / shipping law digested so very well. Surely you are a very talented Person in your field but also a great you tube celebrity I would say,good job chief 😁👍
Cheers Chief!
Thank you for your timely and through video!!
I love an unanticipated video from The Chief! It is always greatly appreciated by me. Thank you for the information you provide.
I love learning about all the stuff that makes modern life possible. Thanks for your content.
Excellent knowledge and coverage of this situation. Thank you!
Thanks for conciseness and clarity. Two of several reasons why I subscribed to your channel. I appreciate every video!
Clear and concise explanation from Chief MAKOi, as usual. If only news media was half as competent, the world would be a much better place.
Much appreciated Chief. Your videos are enlightening and educational. Stay safe my friend!
Chief Makoi, you are the voice of reason, I always enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Thank you very much for the update Chief 😊 . I struggled to find some nice videos of this operation, but you've managed to find some.
Thank you, Chief, for your always excellent videos explaining what the situation is. 👍
Thanks for sharing Chief. Have a fantastic week.
Always the most informative source for shipping news! 👍👍
What painstaking work. Three cheers to the men who had what it takes to do the almost impossible. So, the captain was NOT relieved of his ship by the local pilot! That's good. I can't imagine captains giving up the control of their ship to a "stranger." Hopefully we will find out where the negligence lied.
The Panama Canal is the only time the Pilot has control over the Ship
There may be no negligence. Every ship handles differently. The rate at which a ship can complete a turn is a factor of its speed, rudder angle, wind, waves, tide, depth, bottom topography, bottom type, hull condition and current. It's not like driving a car and a ship has no brake pedal.
Thank you for posting this video Chief .
good job chief as always you are a good man love to watch you.
Thank you Chief Makoi. Good job. Carry on
Hi from uk Chief MAKOi thanks for update on everforward pleased the vessel was safely returned to port👌 I donhope you and your crew had nice easter break or good times aboard👍 and I have seen summit about ships and pilots and one captain seen his vessel was in trouble and over 3 attempts to get pilot to listen after a very tense brief discussion he removed the pilot from his post and the wheel house and coordinated the manouver himself and avoided a collision with another vessel and the dockside so I understand the captain is always in charge bit 👌 thanks again for your time be safe and see you soon👍👋
Chief, you're the man!!!
I always enjoy watching Chief MAKOi’s videos. He does a great job in his presentation’s. I have found that his videos are very fascinating and very straight forward. Whatever company chief is employed by is very lucky to have an asset such as him. Thanks chief for your vlogs, they are great!
Thanks Chief.
another great video from the Chief!!
Fascinating stuff, Chief!
Thanks Chief !
Thanks for the update and the education.
Yes, very enjoyable...thank you...
Informative as always. Thank you Chief.
Great episode my friend thank you.
Thank you for the video. I hope your crew are safe and well. Best wishes.
Between this and E-sysmen I never thought I would know so much about shipping. Wild life out there.
Thanks Chief. Love your videos, very informative and well presented.
Thank you Chief. I had been wondering about exactly HOW responsible for maneuvering the ship the pilot is. As always, your knowledge has exceeded my questions. Gratitude to you and your crew for everything you do.
Always a learning experience watching your videos, thank you chief
Very interesting and on point as usual. Thank you.
chief I enjoy every topic you cover! thanks
Very interesting, thank you Chief Makoi.
I notice that both the Ever Given and Ever Forward were traveling above the recommended speed when the groundings occurred .
And in the case of the Ever Given in Suez, that was at the order of the government Pilot to maximize their revenue by getting more ships through.
That's one case where the Pilots DO give commands!
I have learned so much watching your videos…..enjoy watching
Great vlog as always boss! It is a paradox that you must have pilots onboard, and they will walk free if anything happends while they are on the bridge. On top of that they will send you a huge invoice for their services. I hope you are safe and well!
Your videos are better than Hollywood movies your lighting, sound, graphics, information is perfect thanks for sharing! Cheers mate
Fine breakdown thanks. I appreciate the vids, well done.
Interesting how this “Pilot’s association” operates: pay me for going through the bay, but I’m not liable for anything. Stellar business model. Almost like mafia.
Cough government cough.
Think of the whole pilot situation as you driving in a strange city, so you snag a local to go with you on your errands. If the local tells you to turn onto a clearly marked one-way street going the wrong direction, do you or the local get the ticket?
I've never been on a civilian ship. I can tell you that on a US Navy ship, the harbor pilot gives his instructions to the Officer of the Deck/Conning Officer (Navy Dude in Charge), not the helmsman. That officer will then (or not) pass the instructions on to the helmsman. The helm wheel will NOT even twitch until the OOD/Conning Officer commands it.
Other than the civilian Harbor Pilot on the bridge, nothing else changes. The Quartermaster is still plotting the ship's position on the charts and comparing the plot with the GPS to ensure that the vessel is in the marked channel, at least 2 or 3 guys still have binoculars glued to their eyes watching for other vessels, making sure that the ship is on the proper (channel) side of the harbor buoys and on a course to remain so, watching for floating debris or other hazards, and the Captain is watching everybody and everything because he is the ONE person who is ultimately responsible for anything which happens involving that vessel.
In a nutshell, the ship is manned and navigated almost as it always would be, there just happens to be a civilian present who gives suggestions on what should happen next. The only thing that really changes is that "Sea and Anchor Detail" is set and "restricted Maneuvering" is called away. This means that less qualified sailors in critical areas are replaced by more experienced hands, backups for critical equipment are spun up and placed in standby, the anchor detail is stationed, certain watches get extra people, etc.
I don't see any compelling reason why it would not, or at least should not, be the same on any vessel with an embarked pilot, regardless of size or type. The pilot may know the harbor, but the ship's crew are the ones who are (we hope) the definitive experts on the handling characteristics of the vessel. To use the original analogy, "turn right at the next street" is simple, but the mechanics for doing so differ a bit between a Smart Car and a Kenworth.
Thankyou for the informative and professionally narrated video !
I have been following this from another channel “What’s going on with Shipping?” By a guy who teaches maritime law at a College here in the states. He did a pretty good job putting out quite a few videos on it. Anyone want to guess which Evergreen ship is going to ground?😂🤣 I have driven across that bridge where it’s anchored at hundreds of times. If it wasn’t so far, I’d drive up to see it but gas is wayyyy too much to drive a 6 hour trip. Much love to you Chief. Hope you all have a blessed day. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Very interesting and informative, thanks for sharing Chief MAKOi.
I have learned so much watching your interesting and informative videos……enjoy watching
Big thumbs up for the salvage crew ❤️❤️
Another great video & these large vessels seem to get into big trouble! Begs the question whether these are too big for piloting & this would have been costly!
Great stuff Chief!
Thank you. I find your information very educational.
Another very informative video.....thank you Chief.
Always informative. Thanks.
I really enjoyed this.. more information than our local news...... Lol... Thanks for sharing your life with us ✌🏼💗😊❣️
Great explanation. Thank you
Very informative, thank you.
Great job. Very informative.
Thank you for the update @Chief Makoi. I'm from India.
Thanks for the clarifications.
Sweet interesting & sounds a little complicated also , tyvm fir this sweet video, 🏝
Excellent opinion!
well done and informatiive as always
Welcome back Chief 🙏! Where's the next port of call?
Snow ❄ 🏔 🌨 ☃️ ⛄ in upstate New York today...
Yet another very interesting video 👏👏👏
I’d hope that “Pilot” is now piloting cars at the valet stand at the local restaurant!
Great awesome video, like how you say it like it is.
Thanks sir for information on your topic
Chief Makoi has more news than our news paper knew because they could not get a confirmation that a pilot was on board. I figured if there was a mechanical problem, that would have made it in the news. My guess was that pilot screwed up or didn't understand the navigation systems the ship had.
I knew a chief engineer out of Baltimore and you got to love him for the reason he gave me, "I don't like being sea sick and wanted the most stable place to sleep."
I did some sail boating on the Chesapeake, and he called us, "Ancor fishing." As he said, they wished we put the numbers on the mast so we know which one we caught. He said the ship can't worry about us because the freighters can't stop on a dime. If someone on watch sees their anchor caught something they report it.
He asked me if we got demasted and I told him, "No, I allowed for same heading plus of minus 10 degrees." Unfortunately the channel is always full and sailboats have to do a lot of tacking further north. I felt sorry for that ship, and the pilots up until they got a ship grounded was considered the law, not an, "advisor."
Oh! A local pilot, not a local pirate!
Hey hey, have a good week buddy. Take care and be safe out there..✌
Your are correct the Ship's Capt/master is responsible for the Ship. The pilot is like a navigation system . With all the navigation systems on a Ship GPS, depth finders, charts there is no excuse. If the steering or engines malfunction. The proper Ship should have hailed the cost guard and dropped Anchors to slow / Stop the Ship. I know these waters well and lucky they didn't continue and hit the bay Bridge a short distance ahead. The area they were towed to is large deep water area where all ships wait to be piloted up to the port of Baltimore. I think some one wasn't alert or didn't understand the officer of the deck. No excuse for this grounding except for a major mechanical problem.
Evergreen's insurance costs are sure to go up, just like my teenage son's when he crashed into his second tree in one year. Luckily I declared general average.
From my training in the navy, there are only two places where the pilot is actually in control of and responsible for the ship: going into drydock and in the Panama Canal. Pretty sure that is still the case.
Panama Canal pilots are still known as "advisors".
@@oceandrew That's not correct, the Panama Canal Pilot assumes full navigational control of the vessel. However unlike other parts of the world the Panama Canal assumes financial liability. As pointed out by J. Hill the other place the captain gives up control when the ship enters a dry dock.
@@LeeB48 Refer to a Panama Canal pilot as "pilot" and he'll quietly but instantly correct you with "advisor".
@@oceandrew That has not been my experience as I have worked with many of PC pilots and are still friends with many former Canal pilots. The only "advisors" that are used on the Canal are employed to handle vessels under 125'. We may just have a difference in the semantics used by the whoever corrected you since most pilots now do not speak English as a native language. However English is the operational language of the Canal. The main point is a Panama Canal Pilot is not on the bridge in an advisory capacity and is the final word on the ship's movements. J. Hill's statement is accurate.
@@LeeB48 It is true that my experience and opinion is based on the transit of vessels under 125'.
very informative ive never heard of general average
If a port wants part of their harbor dredged, they CAN advise a pilot to put a ship in it.
NEATO!
Thanks, Chief, for this clear explanation. I can understand why the Captain of a ship is ultimately responsible - they have navigation charts and all other technology available to them so should be able to spot a 'pilot error' before it takes them off course. Correct me if I'm wrong!
The problem is that their charts are not accurate, which is exactly why Pilots are required.
In a port or bay or river or channel like this, it's a living environment, so sand bars and mud flows and dredging are constantly occurring, and the Pilot is there because he knows these things, he is very familiar with the area, and monitors those changes, so his local knowledge is better than the charts.
If a Captain tried navigating through it with charts and GPS alone, they would be getting into problems a lot more frequently.
Plus knowing the currents and where the wind funnels off islands, and what other traffic will be doing etc, is important.
I can understand the governments not wanting to take responsibility for the mistakes of their employees, and while they may technically only be advisors, if a captain rejects the "advice" they will not be allowed to continue or return.
So this brings up a general question: Do merchant ships generally have a means of emergency steering if hydraulics fail? Military ships have this feature - sometimes manually by attaching chain falls to the tiller arm. This wouldn't have have prevented the grounding in this case as there was probably no time to rig emergency steering. But, just curious.
Kevin having worked on Navy and civilian ships the straight answer is no. Some merchant ships have a back up hydraulic unit. Navy vessels have or had both chain fall and hand operated pumps mainly to continue manuverability in battle after damage cuts of electrical power to after steering.
You explain things very well. The USS Enterprise ran aground in SF bay once on a new mud bar. The captain was reprimanded by the Navy.
Excellent explanation the law is not so friendly to the shipping company same situation in the Suez Canal Thank you for sharing 🙏
Thanks Chief...........p.s. great haircut !
Many thanks for explaining what happened. I also noticed The Ever Given has been stationary for about two weeks while I presume waiting to go into Hamburg. Must be big losses for Evergeen with two of their biggest ships not earning.
bro your channel is great thanks for sharing enjoyed it very much so very informative
Hi Chief! I am one of your fans and subscriber even though I'm not a seafarer nor expert in marine transportation, but I'd love for you to make a video about "bilge dumping" or how your crew take care of bilge water to prevent ocean pollution. I wish your journey well. Thanks.
Thank you for this information ... very much appreciate a mariner's point-of-view ... liability uses a "deepest pockets" principle ... and pilots don't usually have that deep of pockets compared to ship owners ... the owner can sell the ship to pay the clean-up costs ... sea level rise will help in the future ...
Exactly. The law will always go after the ones they can get the most out of.
@@satunnainenkatselija4478 Until an investigation is complete, it's too early to say what happened, but the way I see it there are 3 broad possibilities:
1) Mechanical - The crew tried to steer, but the ship wouldn't go.
2) Crew - The pilot told them to steer, but the crew didn't
3) Pilot - The pilot gave the wrong directions
In case 1, it seems pretty clear that Evergreen should be held liable, and that they would likely be looking hard at the crew in regards to maintenance to see if someone there should be disciplined
In case 2, again Evergreen should be held liable, and they again would be looking at the crew to see if someone there should be disciplined.
In case 3 however we have an issue. This video says that Evergreen would still be liable, but I feel really sorry for the captain here, the ships' crew is not expected to know the area, that's the whole reason that the pilot is there at all. So if the pilot screws up, how is it that the captain is supposed to know that it's a screw-up and not an intentional choice? If the captain is expected to know the area well enough to know if the pilot is right, why make them bring a pilot on at all?
I saw the pilot earlier today working at the McDonald's drive thru.