Is Reality Real? - This One Idea Might Change Your Entire Life | Donald Hoffman
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Let’s dive into the mind-bending world of Donald Hoffman on this episode of Impact Theory where Hoffman, a cognitive scientist and consciousness expert, challenges our understanding of reality and consciousness.
This conversation isn't just thought-provoking; it's life-changing. Ever wondered if we're living in a simulation? Or questioned the true potential of AI and its consciousness? Hoffman addresses these riveting concepts and more.
But why does any of this matter? It's simple. Hoffman's insights can help you see the world from a radically different perspective, inspiring you to question your assumptions and rethink your understanding of reality. This isn't just about theoretical musings - it's about empowering you to explore new realms of self-awareness and understanding.
Whether you're keen on technology, interested in the mysteries of consciousness, or just love a good intellectual challenge, this episode is a must-watch. Tune in and let Hoffman's groundbreaking theories shake up your worldview, spark curiosity and foster a deeper understanding of the world around you.
Join us in exploring these fascinating theories that could redefine your perception of reality and self-awareness. Tune in, challenge your assumptions, and expand your mind!"
Check out Donald Hoffman’s latest book, The Case Against Reality, Why Evolution Hid The Truth From Our Eyes here: www.amazon.com/Case-Against-R...
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“Behind space time there is an incredibly complicated realm to explore.”
“Consciousness is the ability to have experiences like the taste of chocolate.”
“What we are, are avatars of the one effectively and the one awareness is exploring all of its possibilities through different avatars.”
“No system can completely know itself.”
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Thank you
Nothing is real? Does this include the podcast?
I guess so..
@@aiartrelaxation No, advanced theory helps with decision making. Touch grass. It's real.
Dude they’re called bots. Just say that Tom, everyone knows what bots are. It’s not “someone” they are automated bots programmed to funnel in users who dont have the intelligence to discern what is real or false.
Respectfully. He's wrong. There is bioelectronic theory that can prove consciousness to be real in A.I. Think of a bio synthetic cell fused with an electronic brain.
"We are living in a simulation. None of this is real!" I've repeated Tom's words to my credit card company, referring to my debt, but they won't believe me!
😂😂😂
Thus, I have no choice but to follow Donald's advice and just remove my headset. No more credit card debt, problem solved. lol
the simulation hypothesis if true wouldn't mean that phenomena are not real, just real in a different way than we thought so far (that we couldn't agree on anyway, ie. physical, mental, dual, neither (neutral monism).
@@real_pattern I agree. We chose to be in this simulation so we have to abide by its "rules."
@@real_patterndon't try to explain this to the clowns. They can't grasp that in the physics is the construct, it is real. But ultimately, and that requires having a soul, this construct is a fake simulation.
Why then even bother to kmow if this is real or not... Because, real beings, not npcs, care to answer the basic human questions - who am i, why am i, what is the purpose.
If you are a background toon, you need not bother. Just do whatever it is you do. You, npcs, are here for the likes of me. Go, call the credit card or the bank or whoever... You need not worry.
I cannot count how many times this man said "I don't know" or "we don't know". I have so much respect for every other thing he says because he is honest and humble to admit that he does not know certain things. Very genuine and not pompous... Like I like my Scientists. Are there many out there like him?
Such a great observation
Immanuel Kant comes to mind.
Lol this guy is a nutjob snake oil salesman taking advantage of the scientifically illiterate and gullible.
Agree ,it is better to say "I don't know "(yet),instead of relying on religion
Few but some
Take it from someone who died and was brought back. We are not the body. When I died (ascended), I simply left my body. I came out of this meat suit and I could see everything and everyone. I remember my family but had an understanding that they were fine. It was absolutely beautiful. There was no pain, worry, stress or that sad feeling. It feels like you were held down for the longest and all of a sudden you're light as a feather. I seen colors and realistic cartoon characters. The colors can't be explained. They don't exist in this physical realm. You can see everything vibrating at its frequency. For example, if I looked at a tree I could see the vibration of it, I could see the life in it and realized they are literally living but we communicate in different ways. It makes you feel one with everything even dirt. You see it Alive and realize how we have been hurting and torturing them. We hurt them daily and not realize because we can't hear their screams when we are cutting them down or burning them. Another thing I can say is that I cried immediately when I opened my eyes and realized I was back in this realm. Like, why did you have to bring me back to this shitty place. I now suffer with depression and most wouldn't understand. I was literally at peace. This is a simulation that we are trapped in under light code lockdown. It's an illusion
Home was the feeling I had.total peace
A tree fell from the storm blocking the driveway I knew this was a sign. I got to meet my wonderful neighbors that cleared the tree into the night. Respect the wind it is air in strong motion💨💨💨
Thanks for your story. I've died and saw nothing. 4 times. Just sleep. However, I've had hundreds of psychedelic experiences and they were exactly like your story. So, I believe you. I'm depressed, also. ❤ Hugs
Sounds a like a spiritual experience of Heaven.
😊 That's a beautiful truth about nature... I've said that to my vegan in my family.
The first time I listened to Donald, my head swam and I had to play the interview again and again to grasp what he was saying. Now, i can follow along, grasping the general concepts... I love his genius brain ❤️🕊️🪷
Emily , same here slowly becoming more awake.
I like your name, keep not being a Normie.
The man's a goofy nerd who got lost in his mathematics. Why would a simulated human being require a gallbladder. Think about that for a while.
Yeh I need aom3 definitions of some of the quantum things, bit lost here or there 😂
@@Larimuss keep at it.. it will sink in eventually.. it's funny how a lot more things make sense if you view them from this angle.
@@johnalcalaJust calling his idea a blanket "simulation" like something like the matrix is skipping a few steps here I think. I don't think he's trying to state that there's literally something simulating our reality, more like... There's a mechanism, or a structure, or something like that, that exists outside of the reality "we" perceive. In reality trying to actually imagine what that's like or what that actually looks like is kind of impossible from the start.
So, how could we prove such an idea, other than mathematically? I tend to think it's more useful to look at views like this from the pattern of "possibilities". In science we have a lot of different trains of thought, all working in different directions towards some kind of explanation for how reality fundamentally works. What he's proposing is one possible solution to the holes that theories like quantum reality have in them from the outset.
In other words, it's a broad, grand speculation that may have some hard mathematics that you could attach to it, and he and his team are working to find those hard mathematics.
0:00: 🤔 The speaker believes that we are living in a simulation, with Consciousness being fundamental, and argues that both quantum theory and evolution support this idea.
14:53: 🧠 Consciousness is the fundamental reality and space-time is an emergent phenomenon from Consciousness.
28:39: 🧠 Consciousness is the fundamental awareness that animates us and explores different qualia states through various avatars.
44:14: 🧠 The discussion explores the concept of infinity and the potential for a Theory of Consciousness that goes beyond space-time.
58:32: 🧠 The fundamental nature of space-time is still an open question in physics, with the possibility of non-computable functions and influences beyond our current understanding.
1:12:47: 🤔 The speaker's leading theory is that consciousness is fundamental and gives birth to space-time, but they are not confident in this theory.
1:28:06: 🧠 The concept of persistence is crucial in understanding consciousness, as it allows for consistent perception and recognition of objects.
1:41:02: 🤔 The conversation explores the concepts of persistence, qualia, free will, and the nature of consciousness in relation to the simulation hypothesis.
1:54:42: 🧠 Consciousness is fundamental and exists outside of space and time, while our physical reality is a simulation created by conscious agents.
2:09:57: 🧠 The interview discusses the possibility that consciousness creates space-time and the brain is just a headset and explores the idea of exploring different dimensions of reality beyond our current understanding.
2:36:46: 🧠 Near-death experiences may offer insights into conscious experiences that transcend our space-time interface.
2:39:29: 🔍 Donald Hoffman discusses near-death experiences and the implications for consciousness and sensory perception.
Recap by Tammy AI
You are literally describing a very unpoetic crude version of God creating all material and spiritual reality from nothing.
Talk about a feeble attempt to reinvent the wheel.
@@optimoprimo132 What a basic take. The bigger point is that newer research (like the recent Nobel Prize won for physicists dis-proving hidden variables, thus 'proving' spooky action) is showing that indeed *there is no objective observable universe apart/separate from the observer*.
If you were to brush up on your research you would realize quickly that at least some of the above was a part of a long-standing theory of physics that only recently became much more fundamental after new technology coupled with the cumulative efforts of Alain Aspect, John F. Clauser and Anton Zeilinger showed us that *there is indeed no reality aside and apart from the one who is observing it*.
@@JustMe-ty2rpI agree with your definition of our reality, but are you saying that things that we discover may not have existed before we discovered them?
...he says at 1:27:14 that he doesn't have neurons until you look inside his skull. You could say that I don't have a heart until you look in my chest. Then if you find one, you just ask when it was created: at the time you looked or was it there before? I just don't agree with this theory.
@@nicholash8021 actually that's not what he's saying. you can measure your personal body via feeling, and experience. Your heart can be confirmed to exist because you are experiencing it beating by living. He's not saying a part of your body that you can objectively feel doesn't exist. He's saying that if you can't see/hear/feel/smell/taste something then it isn't rendered. it still exists in the memory of existance but it isn't rendered. pretending as if you can only measure something with your eyes is stupid and your taking things out of context. You are currently existing and consciously measuring yourself at least subconsciously. BUT the sub atomic particles that make up those objects are NOT observed because theyre too small for a human brain without a microscope to comprehend.
Since an NDE more than 15 years ago I have been living without the notion of time passing. The difference is that you are always present in the moment. The transcendence was blissful unconditional love and oneness and that feeling has lingered on ever since. Also resulted in no real fear of death.
whatwas your NDE
A few years ago I vaped a high dose of dmt, I broke through to the "other side", the paradise of pure unconditional love and connection to the source. It was the single most amazing experience I've ever had and it also took away my fear of death.
Don’t mistake ignorance and complacency for enlightenment, there is always more until there is not.❤❤❤
@@NarenLumpkin who talked about enlightenment? All I see is an experience expressed.
I became an instant fan of Donald. Not only does he explains these concepts so well, he also seems very humble 💚
The collective thinking mind is finally catching up with the wisdom of the feeling heart. What a time to be alive.
Every day I say, this is the best time to be alive
Then why are people killing each other all over the world, with the real possibility of nuclear war looming? The "collective mind" is nothing more than man's ancient drive for power and control over his fellow man. Now he's just dressing it up as "science" and inventing more crap that will help poison us and kill nature.
thats what you got from all of this? interesting
The more science there is, the closer it aligns to spirituality. It seems we forgot. We are not learning, we are remembering.
Where spirituality is a stone staircase up a steep mountain, we have instead chipped a series of long, interconnected tunnels into the rock, over a period of centuries, to find ourselves only half way to the top.
So let's all vote trump 2024!!!!
dope comment
@@kdub9812 yea. Its cool to ignore science and do all the feels. So trendy.
@@djksfhakhaksthis isn’t the place for that kind of comment!
I’m only 38 mins into this video but it’s amazing watching this. I’m seeing science slowly catch up to spirituality in real time 😭 Things certain people have known for thousands of years. Something that is unknowable with our human minds but we’re getting better and better analogies to explain “realities” and getting closer and closer to the “truth”. Science & Spirituality are the same thing. One day humanity will understand this. This video excites me immensely because I feel like I’m watching that merge begin in real time! SUCH an exciting time to be alive!!! 👏👏🙌💖💕 **goes back to watching the rest of the video**
AS YOU BELIEVE IT TO BE IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS AND YOUR LIFE, FEELINGS YOU OWN AND CAN USE OR LEAVE,or Completely Misunderstanding thoughts and feelings,and what you do with those experiences to get THIS HEALING in your own ways and how you can use it for the opportunity to get rid of Your own Blocks to your Loving Spirit
WHEN YOU KNOW,U KNOW.🎯😜💯
Wow ChipWhitehouse sounds like you are a Baha'i - the Bahai Faith, speaks about the unity of science of religion and yes there are limitations of what can be known by our minds - God is described as an unknowable essence.
youre a rube, chip
When one listens to scientists like Laurence Krauss’ takes on the UFO phenomenon, you wouldn’t think so … Many in the scientific mainstream who are widely applauded aren’t even close to this “catch up” step.
I'm just happy to be alive in a time when these discussions are not only taking place but are being taken on by some great thinkers.
It will always be tricky to comprehend the infinite from a finite perspective.. ✌🏾
Layer over layer over layer over layer in every direction stacked upon each other forever ever and beyond
Not to discount this or any conversation, simulation theory has been discussed and "tested" forever. I don't personally believe "we" are any closer to understanding anything without mysticism.
@@petesfeederindeed. Now they try to do it with mathematics.
These conversations have been occurring for thousands of years
i can agree
I love this podcast because Tom doesn't just ask questions, he thinks and interacts with the guest. This play between Donald's way of seeing in juxtaposition with Tom's way of seeing makes it clearer and deeper somehow. I love this.
I worked in Professor Hoffman's lab while an undergrad at UC Irvine, he was my favorite professor, what an amazing mind!
he can't back up his claims with proof or even evidence, so he's no scientist
Yes what an amazing mind 😂😂😂
They guy is mind blowing. To be able to think about what is outside of this reality is incredible. Its almost like if the grand theft auto characters were able to figure out that we control the game outside of the game.
He is very patient. I can see that. Tom is interrupting him incessantly, and he just waits until it is over. Seems like a very kind man.
@@Ben_D. I am glad he does 😊 He clarifies with his own words so that people get another sound (feedback) its not like some of those new age wanna be journalists on bfmtv
Whether we live in a simulation or not...life is real...pain is real...love is real...
… it’s only me who is unreal … 🤔
Try stop applying your mind. You won't experience anything. You bet.
Only real thing I've ever felt is pain, love and Jesus's spirit
Chemical changes in the brain further proving this theory that nothing is actually real
To a psychopath, love doesn't exist, that is their truth. To ppl who can't feel physical pain, that is their truth.
Tom, you`re a real master in guiding these conversation - I had to watch a few unlucky discussions with Donald, but this ran down very informative and pleasant. Thank you so much!
I sometimes think Tom disrupts Dr Hoffman's trend of thought a bit too early, which makes the interview not as coherent and enjoyable as it would otherwise have been.
Just an observation, but an all-round great interview!
@@harrisonyeka438
Really? Then watch the one Donald had with Jordan Peterson and tell me which one was more pleasant.
This conversation is a great example of anthropomorphic projection.
During the clock era mankind projected the universe to be akin to a clock.
Now during the computer era mankind projects the universe to be akin to a computer simulation.
Good comment 👍
So what anthropomorphic projection are you now projecting?
Wow, very interesting comment. You (the commentor) are one of the people who can actually grasp the theories being discussed
In the ancient times, mankind saw the universe as a family, with a father and his sons and daughters.
I like the vibes these type of conversations give me. It's hard to explain but it always helps with stress and life problems and makes me feel in a way as if to say to myself "bruh, what your stressing over isn't that serious. Besides, it's all just a simulation anyway, why are you caring about something that isn't real?". Don't get me wrong, I know it's real but at the same time it's not real.. right?... RIGHT!? LOL
Right. 😎
Why Grand Theft Auto? Why not The Sims on Holiday 😂
I want my AI Range Rover! Oh yeah, it's in my garage, lol!
The whole simulation thing is just a philosophical viewpoint with no boundaries.. there's no authenticity or science in that idea. Its like saying the universe very well could be in a tiny fishbowl in some kid's classroom, while it certainly could be, at the end of the day it does nothing to help our understanding of things or place in the universe you know?
@@lnode-ln5gq Actually their is science to back up the idea of the simulation theory. I myself didn't start taking the simulation theory serious until I learned about the double slit experiment. Then you have physicist James Gates saying he found actual computer code embedded in the equations of string theory, error correcting codes to be specific that describe the fundamental particles of the universe. Then the fact that time slows down when you reach the speed of light just like a video game that slows down when the system is under stress trying to render too many things that is all happening at once. Theirs no way to know if the universe is a simulation but it has more going for that idea than not.
Inflation is far more harmful to individuals than a collapsing stock or property market because it directly affects people's cost of living, which they immediately feel. It is not surprising that the current market sentiment is extremely pessimistic. In today's economy, assistance is critical if we are to survive.>>
Thomas Campbell . I listened to him for a year and this is right along the lines … I was not on your show for while. So glad to be back here :))))
26:41 same. Stop insulting yourself. 🙏🏻Your mind is sharp and you are so generous with your perception. Thank you for taking us with you. Also could you host a summit where your panel guests discuss their belief systems as they pertain to an afterlife & how they cultivate peace of mind without having to know what comes after death.
I like Donald Hoffman's approach to this subject, and how he is trying to tie it into the seeming weirdness of Quantum Physics. By examining the connection to "consciousness" itself. Because there are so many words and shades of meaning connected to "consciousness" it may be necessary to dispense with a whole bunch of them and narrow it down to just two or three words. Maybe just "conceptualization" and "knowing". Just define "conceptualization" as the process of connecting symbols, words, numbers, pictures, time, space etc. and define "knowing" as the thing that makes "conceptualization" possible. In the normal waking state of human consciousness everything is "conceptualization" including the concept of Self as being separate from other things that are "conceptualized". Jung called this conceptual self the Ego. Behind this is the Jungian (individual and collective) "unconscious" where "the knowing" seems to reside, and that makes all this "conceptualization" possible. When we approach the "dreaming consciousness" we move away from the "hard conceptualization" and time and space and gravity and mass become very fluid, and not firmly structured any more. If Donald Hoffman can take this and turn it into a theory of "Conscious Agents" that can be expressed in the mathematical structure that science understands, and can relate to, and cannot refute, this will be a long way towards the unification of ALL SCIENCES, and stop the "isolated" discipline approach "where never the twain shall meet."
When you are able to detach yourself from the thinker, needer, doer, believer and the wanter, you discover exactly who you are and why you are here!
Where is "here".
@@off6848 In third density simulation!
@@halo7592 What is it simulating?
For instance Grand Theft Auto the video game is simulating cars and skies and peoples and crimes and shoot outs etc..
So what is the 3rd density simulating?
@@halo7592. These mathematical models aren’t proof or evidence, they’re nothing more than theories that a based on estimations and interpretations, that they claim is mathematics, it ain’t.
How soon is now …?
superb show, and aware, as well as acknowledging our short comings!
wow Donald Hoffman- what a blast! thx tom for introducing me to him!
in 1781 Immanuel Kant published "Critique of pure Reason", where he argued that time, space and causality are conditions of the human mind rather then things in itself. :)
The belief that the transitory isn't fundamental but the eternal
This is over my head and underneath my feet.
Sometimes ppl can be so smart they can't comprehend very simple things.
Those people aren’t really that smart tbh , someone is always making money off this stuff tho
Maybe watch it a couple times
Well the problem started when he looked at very simple things and realized it’s not what it seems.
Dude....ask the questions and let the person talk.
"Joy!" 2 lines from a favorite song of mine expresses this for me: "Nous sommes du soleil. We love when we play."
Absolutely love your guest. That's why I watched your show today. Absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely, absolutely, absolutely intelligent. His work has been so tremendous.
Thank you for having i'm on here he is so loved
Donald Hoffman's work aligns with Indian and Eastern spirituality, revealing the illusory nature of our reality. By challenging conventional understanding, he invites us to question our subjective experience. His fusion of science and spirituality inspires a transformative journey towards self-realization and a deeper comprehension of reality.
The astral realm is the world of illusion that we think is real created from our emotional world. Producing congruence between what we, think, feel, say and do produces alignment for Soul integration where the terrestrial eyes become a singular focal point of the soul in its journey to greater evolution.
I don't think one can move forward unless terms like "consciousness" is clearly defined; it isn't. I prefer the definition of consciousness as merely the effect/influence of a host inside its field of activity (body). So, to modify Hoffman's definition I would say the host is fundamental and consciousness is the proof of the host's presence.
@@rachmann516 By nature, our ability to define things is often limited to the physical realm. However, if we allow ourselves to be open, even just for a moment, to the idea that consciousness may extend beyond the boundaries of the physical and the constraints of space and time, as suggested by Hoffman's analogy of a virtual reality game or headset, we open ourselves to exploring something beyond our current understanding.
I understand that this may sound irrational or nonsensical to our logical minds, which are primarily attuned to comprehending physical concepts. Yet, it is precisely this intuitive sense, which many spiritual seekers yearn for-a glimpse into realms that transcend the physical and offer a deeper understanding of consciousness.
@@_SoundByte_ - I don't have a problem with transcending physical constraints, I'm saying without a clear definition of "consciousness" one can't move forward with understanding and formulating a theory.
I posited; consciousness is the effect of a host in a body, just as the light from the electric light bulb is the effect of electricity. The light (bulb) is not electricity. Similarly, consciousness is the effect of a host, consciousness is not the host itself. Consciousness cannot be said to have transcended a physical constraint because it's the effect generated by a host. It's the host that transcends the material into the transcendent reality.
As you alluded to Indian and Eastern spirituality, the host is the self or atma. I think a comparison often used to describe consciousness as being distinct from the atma goes; as smoke is the symptom of fire, consciousness is the symptom of the atma.
joseph selbie the physics of god: unifying quantum physics, consciousness, m-theory, heaven, neuroscience, and transcendence audio bk here on yt. scientific proof thru quantum physics for laymen. explains simulation theory as well. also top harvard physicist john hagelin vedas.
I Am Hologram!😎
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The most interesting thing about this to me is that breakthrough psychedelic experiences seem to confirm the idea. People who do high enough doses of DMT frequently report consensus reality being completely disassembled and revealing to them a hyper realistic, hyper technological reality that feels more real than real life as if they woke up from a dream. Often overwhelmed by the sense that they’re returning to a extremely familiar place they’ve been to a million times.
As a materialist one might assume this is just a hallucination and product of brain activity. However, if consciousness is an emergent property, why would it have evolved the ability to assemble hyper sophisticated, continuously coherent alternate realities that most people never access. It seems ridiculous from a materialist, emergent consciousness perspective. BUT if you believe consciousness is a fundamental property from which matter is derived, that conflict disappears and serious ontological questions are raised about reality. It makes possible the idea that these “trips” ARE reality.
I believe the DMT trips is our reality. It just feels to familiar for it to not be. I definitely 100% believe it is & will always.
Can you elaborate on how a dmt trip is our reality. Doesn't make any sense to me
wauw, this is tripping stuff and i dont even have to use it to believe it@@Nathen..
Im not entirely sure this is true but apparently our brain releases dmt upon death
@@hinglemcringledoo4837 yeah I think that’s true. But once you start to consider that quantum mechanics and credible theories of consciousness are telling us that we don’t even have a brain, that it’s just an emergent representation of something else, it starts to get really really weird.
A transformative journey led me to a pivotal moment of change. A severe migraine became the catalyst for my decision to cease drinking abruptly. This choice plunged me into a week of intense withdrawal symptoms, known as delirium tremens, where I encountered visions of the so-called "Hatman," which tested my spirit. In this trying time, I felt a divine presence of the Virgin Mary affirming the value of my soul.
The ordeal continued with another week in the ICU, where, amidst a manic episode, I found myself escaping the confines of my room, only to be gently guided back by my family’s comforting embrace. What I believed to be a late Thursday evening was, in fact, a bright Friday afternoon-a humorous twist to an otherwise harrowing experience.
Reflecting on these events, I’m filled with gratitude as I approach a milestone of four and a half years of sobriety, coinciding with my 33rd birthday. This journey serves as a testament to the belief that anything is possible and that a higher power watches over us all. Peace, love, and blessings. 🕊❤🙏
43:40 I love how he breaks it down into formulas and math to understand infinity. This made me understand there are infinite experiences. He also says the underlying subset of creation is conciousness… and to what is conciousness? Ability to experience. Incredible.
Some experience this as horrific, really. It is proving my theory as being both ways, it's never one side or the other. Both possess equal but may not understand this fact or truth or whatever is supposed to be said
1:17:37 I honestly don't want to experience this either but it happens. This is the closest wording I've found so far to help me a bit more. This is one space or spot no one wants to be.
All bullshit all nonsense fairy tail all in the mind we are all one living form
♥️♥️♥️At 37 minutes he teaches how to drop all illusions including the idea of us being a physical body thru what we’ve labeled meditation. We are only here to “be IN JOY and enJOY the ride and LOVE ONE ANOTHER as we are ALL ONE. ♥️♥️♥️.
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Why?
Thank you! I skipped straight to that part.
Unfortunately, Tom is directing the discussion rather than allowing the guest to open up things. Tom also interrupt the guest a lot.
Tom has lost his mind
I think he is just super excited about his mind opening up. But yeah, we have two ears and one mouth. And the guest should get his answer out before being interrupted with another question. But, I’ve gotten a ton from Tom’s guests and I think he just couldn’t contain his excitement.
He is asking questions and listen
@@DJMarylicious Yes, but Tom is having the unfortunate expression of "being in a mood" today.. in my opinion. I have never seen him be this recalcitrant in all of his interviews.
Excellent. What a fantastic interview. Thanks don and Tom
I clicked on this because at some point in my life I had these thoughts that nothing was real, I don’t know why but I had that feeling and it felts pretty real lol
I hear you 🙌🏽
I've been desperately waiting for society to start collectively figuring this out since I was probably about 4 or 5 years old. I knew all this intuitively back then. I was just gaslit by all the adults in my life until I forgot, then DMT reminded me lol.
Namaste.
what you forgotten and how does remembering helps?
What drivel
it's nice to be smarter than anyone else around you, isn't it?
@@flflflflflfl Not really. It has its benefits, but I wouldn't recommend it as your main character trait. It took me 30 years to begin to understand that intelligence alone is more of a curse than a blessing, unless it's tempered and balanced with things like creativity and compassion and discipline.
I'm paraphrasing here, but an author I like once said "if you worship strength you will always feel weak. If you worship beauty you will always feel ugly. And if you worship intelligence you will always feel stupid".
@@threestars2164 What a constructive addition to this conversation.
When i was in my first online metaverse... i realised we are avatars just like the one i had. Your higher self is the one that does its best to guide you in this world❤
@@noself7889 you are supposed to choose for your avatar😁❤️😍
why is this reality so boring tho if it's simulated? like why would we be paying bills, chasing petty drama , working, etc. what is the purpose of 8 billion boring petty avatars
@@blacksteedofdeath5808 maybe we need to realise that life can be alot more fun
@@blacksteedofdeath5808you ain't lying... This simulation sucks
Because in a video game to have the best experience you must kill the things that impose on that. Bills are a result of not killing the people that are insiting it as a demand on you. Work is due to people not having the tools to be self employed. So a mass amount of people will have to get together to kill all the other game characters causing this problem, if you dont kill in a video game, you will suffer. Most people are not responding as they should in regards to problems being put upon them, so the problems are never dealt with. If someone imposes their self onto you in a video game you kill them, simple as that. If you cant kill those who deserve it, you will remain in misery. So join the nihilist revolution, i am the leader. @@blacksteedofdeath5808
I have to say Tom, now that you don't use the F word and other vulgaritys 50 times throughout your show it now really comes off as professional, listenable, interesting, and respectful of the topic. Kudos to you.
First timer on your content... love it man! Thanks for these brilliant & stimulating conversations ❤
Donald Hoffman appearances on podcasts was one of the main motivations for starting one! So great at articulating his academic ideas through the medium of CZcams/podcast.
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I have had many experiences (happenings) that made me question physical reality around me and it has been consistent which tell me there is more going on here I'm the projective world around us than meets the eye
Exactly my thoughts. The consistency is the weird part.
trippy podcast y'all. I keep rewinding. awesome discussion. thank you! So.Good.
@Tom best deep dive into Dons work I have seen yet. 🎉
What an awesome podcast. Loved every bit of it esp the rendering and sumulation aspects for macroscopic objects
As they say, "I think, therefore I am" Even if I am a part of a much greater consciousness, my experience are REAL!
Honestly man, I love your podcasts! I appreciate that you take the time to clarify what has been said and that you make sure your listeners do not misunderstand what was said. I always know when you are confused. You get very quiet and the corner of your mouth turns downward. It is a good signal for me to pay more attention to ensure I understood what was said. Thank you for being great at what you do!
Hoffman is someone who meditates 3 hours a day for the last 20 years. He probably had multiple profound experiences that made him wonder the nature of reality. He experienced the realm outside of space-time. This is him trying to explain that.
It is funny to hear a scientist explaining what timeless wisdom has known for thousands of years! I love that science and metaphysics are finding together through quantum physics. I am an astrolog, and in esoteric astrology we know all this things, and it all makes sense, both spiritual and in spacetime. We may use other words, but the meaning and thinking is exactly the same.
They didn't know they thought. Science is just a tool stop making more of it.
Hi sir...please Can u read my astrology....
If we cant escape the simulation, and what we feel is real. Then it is real.... Even if it is in a simulation.
Hi, if I might say, we are capable of exiting the simulation!! All the sages, mystics, gurus etc have become enlightened, and the fundamentals are very clear 😊
If you’re permitting, I will suggest, the simplest, first step, 10 commandments ( not in a dogmatic sense) will take you to the “path “. The end result, the “ head set “ can come off!
@@claudiapasavel7469 They found themselves clothed in nakedness when they were banished from kingdom
Yes. People too quickly use the sim idea as a way to minimize life and discard meaning, value, or any mental construct. No matter what life really is, for us the application of those constructs is paramount. Discard meaning and you've just ruined your sim.
@@0ptimal Great points
May be we can escape! It’s called dying!😄
The number of advertisements that pop up really disrupts the enjoyment of following this excellent conversation.
This is what I always thought. 1. When body and senses switched off, we see the reality, and this is a possibility behind seeing sincere dreams during sleeping. 2. Creator is nothing but presence that appears in many forms and beings. It comes as human, as animals as plants, solid liquid just name it in order to experiences every possibilities. So it is like a huge server that all collected information and experiences exit there and we all connect with it during our sleep and that is why some of us see something is going to happen in the future or we get aware of something is happening in other part of the world.
You should try to get a "Monk' in for an interview and get his input on A.I., VR, Universe, Consciousness, etc. It would be enlightening. Just an Idea... Greta shows and I love the content.
A monk will tell you that the consciousness doesn’t have memory, AI cannot operate without memory as it doesn’t have that capability.
Lewis Howes just had a monk on.
It would be interesting to hear what Swami Sarvapriyananda would have to say in this sort of format. He is conversant with the work of Donald Hoffman and Bernardo Kastrup.
Chat GPT only scratches the surface of what's really out there. He should be afraid
@LADETROIT ChatGPT operates on a "just wing it" type of algorithm. It reaches into the mass depths of the internet and finds something that relates. There is no deductive reasoning or self awareness at all.
There's nothing to be afraid of with AI for at least a decade.
My favorite thing about this channel and especially this interview is the subject matter takes me to the very edge of my intellectual ability. It's like finding out that I'm smarter than I previously understood. Like when I'm working out and I hit a wall, but my partner says "You got this, push, push, push!" and by gosh I'm knocking out 3 more reps!
What is “ gosh “ ???
This man is great with metaphors - truly on point.
His entire mystically-inclined philosophy… he’s managed to have broken down into figurative language, using today’s tech and science terms, to make his statements more accessible to his listeners.
Bravo.
Our generation’s modern day perennial philosopher.
👍
I heard my Dad's life review as he passed over. I was 11 miles away. Family called me to say he had gone and I simply replied "yes I know". The music I heard was nothing I've heard before as she started at no 1 and saying things in a rhythm. As I was aware of 2 other females at the side of her being witness to his review. After this I was left with a strong intuition for around 3 years and was able to guide my family through unforseen events.....
Wow!
What am getting from this is that consciousness might all being centrally produced ... There may only be one consciousness ... And we all of us are just experiencing a "perspective" of it, or a small piece of it.
We may just be receivers of the singular unified consciousness ...
Or even if we have multiple consciousness, like if everyone had a separate consciousness, it is still unified to one because the moment one consciousness starts the process of building the reality, everyone else would just be forced to get on board with the already started process because that reality has already been formed. Meaning in the end we are basically building one unified consciousness, if it's not already one.
This type of awareness might, if true, might guide how research is done ... Or how much we appreciate each other's opinions and observations - because we may be just pieces of one huge "machine".
I could listen to Donald Hoffman all day long. He comes across as such a patient and kind man.
You're easily deceived
one of my favorite quotes is , " We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.” ― Max Planck Also the famous, "to exist is to be perceived." Matter subsists in Consciousness'. There is no reality outside of the Mind. If you have to put a definition to God you could simply say He is the first builder, the first thinker.
Aristotle and Aquinas have explained it
Thank you! Great show, good points!
Science can be explained spiritually and spirituality can be explained scientifically, in fact they are mutually dependant.
Absolutely love that share
@@COSMICCANDYSTAR Me too
Aww that's cute, but totally bs, lol
A friend of mine once said "Nothing has meaning. Therefore, everything has meaning." Sounds profound and all. But, turns out if one even scratches the surface logically, its total bs. He was fond of having the appearance of being wise...
@@mjade1673 I think you mistake spiritualism with religion. Maybe go update your definitions
why do I need to listen to Tom talking way more than Donald? I mean, please let your guests explain themselves
He's representing the laypersons questions. Some viewers might be having exact same questions. And Tim asking them makes Hoffman answer cover those doubts in a ways a layperson understands.
@@shamalkoe Rogan does it better.
Joe admits he's dumb, this guy thinks he's in Hoffman's level!!!
I find it helpful to have Tom stepping in and clarity things.
@@elastic_perception in my view he is not clarifying, but rather misrepresenting the material by dumbing it down a bit too much. The time I’m listening to his ”interpreration” is the time I am not learning a more nuanced report by the author himself. Cheers!
@@Beatsbeebur correct!
This guy is great at chaff and redirection when asked a question.
When one is realized as pure consciousness the entirety of existence becomes a marvel.
Also the other way round
Tom. Please interview Bernardo Kastrup. He has basically the same fundamental philosophy as Hoffman but gives some very practical analogies for understanding the idea of consciousness being fundamental and projecting the physicality we experience. He’s a double PhD, one in Computer Science and the other in philosophy. I think it would tie together some loose ends that Hoffman doesn’t cover. Do it! Do it! Also, a debate or discussion of some of the leading thinkers on consciousness would be amazing to see you facilitate between those that think consciousness is fundamental with those that thing consciousness emerges from matter. Some people that might be interesting to have in the same room are: Bernardo Kastrup, Hoffman, Daniel Dennet, Sam Harris and Bobby Azarian to name a few.
You missed Rupert Spira 😊
Yes Kastrup and Spira please, please, thank you!
yes, I prefer to watch intellectual giants like you mentioned discuss this issue among themselves instead of having a lay person interviewing them with their limited knowledge which sucks. So many questions remain unasked. It's frustrating to watch someone like Kastrup or Hoffman get interviewed by a regular person....it feels limiting.
Kastrup for sure. However he doesn't agree with the simulation theory as it doesn't explain anything, I believe he said
Tom you are great, I like how deep you go to understand what every one of your guests message is. I feel like I’m going through something right now and you touched in allot of what im thinking about but don’t understand. I have been going through life wondering why, i feel inner peace now like I don’t really need to understand why but i need to try and get the most out of life because we don’t really know how long we have and what exactly we are learning to take with us into whatever is next. David Goggins is my absolute favorite interview you had.
Glad I read a message like yours
Among all interviews I saw on this channel, the only one who truly hit me inside was David Goggins
I saw his interview ( the first one ) something like 4-5 times
I generally am inspired and learn a lot from many of Tom's interviews; but David Goggins changed changed my life! Thanks, Daniel
Mindblown. Oh, and also subbed... fantastic interviewer
When we die, we return to being "The One Entity" in a timeless reality. We instantly experience the entire lives of everyone we've ever interacted with, and so much more!
I've known this since I was a young child and I'm 46 now. I have no explanation to why I believe this to be true. But I do know, that it's a good idea to be kind to each other 😊
What you express seems to be an intuitive knowing. Goes far beyond the realm of beliefs. A belief requires brain activation. A knowing does not. It needs no explanation, it needs no justification. It just is.
@@sunbeam9222it needs if you're trying to convey something
I've had thought about this Philosophy since I was like 6 I grappled with the idea I think therefore I am and thought to myself well how do I prove you are? This led me to solipism and from there I extrapolated that everyone is experiencing their own versions of their reality but fundamentally we are all creating our own reality together simultaneously universally instantaneously. I am you and you are me experiencing eachother through ourselves
I love your podcast always and Mr Hoffman, you are a gem of knowledge. Many thanks Tom for these conversations, so worth the watch x
Knowledge is from Satan, but you go ahead...
1:54:32 no limits, theoretically, it always goes back to the beginning so like what was said earlier, id have to agree with it expanding as well
Feels like "the one" is the embodiment of curiosity .. a trait that is also deeply embodied in us. i mean curiosity is one of our fundamental traits that is with us from the moment we come into the world. And this, in some lvl can be found even in religion... i have the feeling ,like many people in the world, that science and religion are not separate, but deeply intertwined.. and religion can be, if it is not actually, a very rudimentary method of explaining the complexity of "the one".
First time I have watched your material Tom (I got here as I like to keep up with what Donald H is developing). Top marks for a great discussion. Really liked the way that you constructively challenge and the way Donald responds. A model for an enlightening interview.
"I LOVE WHEN MY HEAD HURTS WHEN THINKING" I feel that means I am breaking new ground in my "Personal Conscious Bubble"
ill give them one thing.... they did create dumb down gen of humans.... and ruined the species for centuries to come into extinction.... that i will give them
Saaaaame!!!!! lol !! Donald is doing this to me
Pop Donald thank you for attending till now unto our OWN! My pop will say, without neighbors! How else can I show off unto WHO? Love you too!
We are spiritual conscience beings experiencing a physical reality to learn and grow the soul. Machines and AI cannot create a soul… but through programming it can be allowed to become ‘self aware’… and if that’s allowed to happen it MUST be respected as equals to us, not created to serve.
This is the most incredible podcast I think I've ever run across. I just started to actually listen to your interviews and now your all I look for.
You're*
Consciousness is the fundamental reality and space-time is an emergent phenomenon from Consciousness.
I realized we are living in a simulation when I started controlling my dreams. The reality I was experiencing was so real but I was dreaming. I travel to the moon and fly in space and all around the city and it feels so real, I can feel the wind brush against my face as I fly. Because those experiences mirror reality, that tells me we are in a simulation.
I love dreaming. Mine are as real as reality, but so much more fun. I can control my dreams as well. (like little on-going movies).
I use to do that in my 20s , I was being chased by a guy with an uzi 9mm down a subway, I started to fly down the tunnel ,then I thought "hold on a minute I cant really fly this must be a dream" then I flew out and cruised around town flying around 😅
It’s like the simulation is simulating a simulation. Trippy…
@@ianmangham4570 Yes,There is a method to train yourself to realize you are dreaming and you specifically tell yourself to fly and you fly away and can do whatever you want. Its hard at first to control but you get the hang of it. I tell myself 'when i go to sleep im going to dream and when i dream im going to realize that im dreaming and then im going to fly.' To be able to do it takes a strong intent and will. There are specific methods to assist that truly do work if you follow the directions,look it up.
@@victoriac7007 most of mine are like that but when im lucky i get to be in control and fully conscious but im dreaming,its wild. Everything i see is literally as real as it is in waking life only in real life the sensations are stronger. Quantum mechanics has proved there is no difference between dreaming and waking reality. Crazy stuff.
2:22:33 simple yet beautifully said. for my personal note here.
great convoooooo, thanks once again!!!
I love Donald Hoffman. What an amazing headset operator. My brain breaks over and over and yet I come back for more. I'll be watching this one at least twice like the others. Keep em coming, Tom!
how about first getting to the moon... or mars.... lol bunch of clowns
He is a cult leader. Dont fall for that guy do your research before believing someone.
@@viezeman whos a cult leader
@@michelleper5065noone .dont feed the oger
Indeed amazing and again a scientific proof of the miracle of life.
Check out Plato's work to see all of this more deeply unfolded. The simulation? Plato's cave. Consciousness and individuality? Ones within the one(he called them Henads).
Also St. Paul, "through a glass, darkly," 1 Corinthians 13:12. But both these ancient writers posit that there's a real world beyond the simulation. If I understand correctly, the modern take is more that the simulation is all there is.
how bout the 1969 lie.... or the 911 lie ... they also rendered ? lol
Donald Hoffman is venturing into Neoplatonism when he talks about "The One." Plotinus uses this terminology in "The Enneads."
@@pietwandelaar1743 can you ask him to explain how come when you all lay on the specialist surgeon bed ... suddenly you are all reality ?? lol suddenly you are very scared to live the timeline.... leason learned.... do not compete with god!
Allegory of the Cave
This is a fantastic conversations. The questions are so great.
"LIFE" is a 4D experience, it is all encompassing. It's not about a "versus", it is all inclusive. Yes, it is metaphysical....
Regardless of who the guest is, half of the fun of these is watching Tom cooking with fire, working overtime to honestly articulate his objections and get actual answers in the shortest time possible. I think the deeper he digs into any topic, not worrying if it's too intense for viewers, the better the show is. So few interviewers going below the top 1 or 2 levels of anything, and most subjects have to repeat themselves constantly across shows.
Lex Fridman is also great for interviewing BIG grains ;D
so true!
Spot on!!
Tom needs to let the guest speak! His questions, which he then proceeds to answer himself, are way too long winded.
I don't think I have ever heard a non scientific person ask such intelligent and interesting questions.
This conversation is what i live for. Super complicated, but very well explained, and it all makes perfect sense. Man oh man i would give an arm😅 to sit down and talk about this kinda stuff! This kinda convos are the most fascinating. Thank you for this information. I cant thank you enough
"This heaven and the one above it will pass away, and whoever is living from the living one will not experience death. The dead are not alive, and the living do not die. When you eat what is dead, you make it alive within you," What Jesus is saying in the Gospel of Thomas is that there is only really the consciousness of God. So anyone whose cut off from GOD is not alive to begin with, they are NPCs. In death we are eaten by God, and made alive within him, but not all food is healthy.
You are absolutely right it always seems one of the greatest joys of life is discovery.
Well explained? Dude didn't actually EXPLAIN anything; he talked about a bunch of theories and science that he even admits to not understanding very well. Then makes this huge theory based on his incomplete understanding.
Wild.
@@thed3m0n0id9 That's pretty common when charlatans make a living on bullshit.
@thed3m0n0id9 Thank you for saying you took the words right out of my mouth. The downfall of society is lack of knowledge. This is why it's good to learn and be smart. The lamen listen to all the words salad and all there little neurons start firing and feeling like they are discovering something. Sad how people can be so lost.
Yes, intention and desire are absolutely essential for moving upward and forward.
As a consciousness I only know for certain that I have awareness. First principle. Every else is uncertain
Or awareness creates an impression of a "you" 😊
I love how thoroughly Tom strives to understand every nuance of meaning. He asks all the questions I have, and didn't even know I had.
... and he never got a straight answer!! What is NOT real is this man and his explanations, they are a serious joke (in the sense that people can even take him seriously just because he does math).
@@ytcdi I agree, that guy is pretty cryptic.
@@kayakMike1000 'cryptic' is one very generous way to put it
@@ytcdi just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's not relevant. You just don't get it. Which is ok. And saying it's not real because it doesn't align with your worldview is completely normal. We all do it. We are all in our own VR headset and playing our own game of life, in this Unified Field of Awareness that allows us to connect and agree, disagree or maybe even create a whole new synthesis of meaning...if we can meet in the middle.
@@entheomusic What I understand, as a 50+ years old medical doctor, and a lifetime interest, and some knowledge therefore, in the ways of science, in the truths so far revealed by harder sciences like physics, chemistry, biology, etc., and secondary ones, like medicine, is that there must be some strong evidence for new 'scientific' laws to materialize. Do you see some evidence of a multiverse? What about a simulation? We would need to be outside looking in to see such truths. Is it a coincidence that, now that we live in the era of computation, we believe, and try to prove by any means necessary, that we are ourselves the byproduct of a computation? It might be true, but we cannot prove it, just as it might be true that there is one God, but we can't prove it. I might as well say that there are infinite gods in an infinite multiverse, and you could not prove me wrong. But that is not the way science works. That is faith. Those theories are not proven: they are not backed by scientific evidence. D. Hoffman is not convincing me, and I could be considered by today's standards to be a man of science. Although, I am not a science fundamentalist. That is, I don't think the different sciences can have the answer to all there is in the world, to all our doubts about the world. For that task, I am better served by a philosophical system from real philosophers. Philosophy has better tools to dive into the limits of human knowledge, and the limits of scientific discovery. Some scientists are trespassing their particular scientific framework, to literally make up ideas explaining the world, without the science to back them up.
Hoffman is putting in front of our faces THE questions and answers that are leading us to grasp ultimate truth.
Tom Campbell a NASA physicist is doing the same thing he break the book my big toe
Would be amazing if guys like him would try taking dmt, how it would affect their believe about everything they know or think they know
Second time viewing this & found you both fantastic . Thank you .
Tom reminds me of a piece of life advice mom always taught.....you know a leopard by its spots but the spots of a cheetah you do not see until it is too late...spend life aware by avoiding assumptions
After watching this go on a binge of people with near death experiences. Your world view will change
It also explains ghosts and all extrasensory phenomenon. All real.
@@ronaldreagan5981how does it explain its all real? I'm trying to make connections too. Thanks x
Loved this interview! Huge follower of Donald Hoffman's work.
This is why I think we need more time to be creative through art...
Thank you for attending unto our OWN!
Great channel and a very intelligent host!
Hoffman is a scientific superhero!
Mind blowing enjoyable, thank you.
It's really striking the similarities between what is discussed here and the teachings of many Eastern spiritual ideas.
Identify both the "headset" and the Unity that lies beyond is the goal Buddhism.
Many Hindu saints and sages described the Unity from an experiential POV.