The Cold Case of a Child's Remains - History Cold Case - S01 EP02 - History Documentary

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  • čas přidán 27. 10. 2018
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  • @Tiresias55
    @Tiresias55 Před 3 lety +380

    I'm glad the amount of compassion they have for their subject, and so glad they decided to give him a proper burial that he was robbed off originally. Hopefully he is now at peace.

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 Před 2 měsíci +19

      The specimen is not of particular scientific significance or historical interest. It’s well documented and I suppose it’s for the best that the boy who was likely the victim of a grave robbery be reinterred as his family intended

  • @songoftheblackunicorn666
    @songoftheblackunicorn666 Před měsícem +25

    What is sad is so sad is that this boy was treated so badly during his short life and only really given this care and attention now like 200 years later

  • @nicolebormann450
    @nicolebormann450 Před 3 lety +131

    The poor child. He deserves not to be forgotten. Like so many innocent children around the world. May he have found his peace 🕊️

    • @spiralrose
      @spiralrose Před rokem

      Once you’re no longer a child nobody cares about you.

    • @spiralrose
      @spiralrose Před rokem +7

      I’d like to think that all human beings deserve to be treated with compassion and dignity even after death.

    • @deethom5902
      @deethom5902 Před rokem +4

      The child is not forgotten, the Drs would have learned so much from his body. This has in turn helped modern medicine. No matter how you look at it, a body has to be examined and autopsy to learn how the human body works. Otherwise how can we know how our body works and how we can help humans

  • @DWKThedogbreaths
    @DWKThedogbreaths Před měsícem +34

    Beside the creepy muzak this was very moving. To imagine that, in this world of abundance, children still starve to death in the 21st century is chilling.

    • @michellewilliamson734
      @michellewilliamson734 Před 29 dny +2

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    • @GailBrenner-vt9ou
      @GailBrenner-vt9ou Před 11 dny +2

      Terrible music.

    • @janetcw9808
      @janetcw9808 Před 7 dny +1

      Exactly. 😢

    • @brigidtheirish
      @brigidtheirish Před 6 dny

      Thankfully, death by starvation is rare in most of the world. The places where it's common are places like North Korea and parts of Africa where the rulers take what little the people make for themselves and then confiscate incoming aid so it rarely reaches the people.

  • @CraigsOverijse
    @CraigsOverijse Před 3 lety +220

    My Nan was in the workhouse as a child she was born around 1900 she had amazing stories so sad this was how the poor were treated

    • @user_angelmum
      @user_angelmum Před rokem +12

      I hope you were able to write her stories down for future generations
      💛

    • @arlenedavis5770
      @arlenedavis5770 Před 2 měsíci +2

      My sympathy to your Nan.

    • @CraigsOverijse
      @CraigsOverijse Před 2 měsíci +12

      @@arlenedavis5770 oh my Nan died a few decades ago but she was an amzing woman and told great strories her father had been arrested for trade union activism and there were I think maybe nine of them so some of them ended up in the work houses.

    • @ingloriousbetch4302
      @ingloriousbetch4302 Před 2 měsíci

      In the US, a particular political demographic has been proclaiming that we need to end child labor laws. They also fight child marriage being ended and have removed free lunches for kids in poverty in several of their school districts. There are people today that still don't give AF about kids.

    • @debbiehuth9742
      @debbiehuth9742 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Extremely sad

  • @candiceroy5161
    @candiceroy5161 Před rokem +72

    And the story of wealthy needing the poorer goes on centuries later. First time seeing History Cold Case and there will be more. Thank you for the respect you've show the remains.

  • @jennycatzzbokii3680
    @jennycatzzbokii3680 Před 2 lety +88

    The fact that this child was 6-8 when he died is heart breaking

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 Před rokem

      Unfortunately things like this happen in the world today ,harvesting organs for the wealthy,adults and children ,especially street children are snatched

  • @mizera_mykle
    @mizera_mykle Před 2 lety +94

    When I want to listen to a show that is quiet, educational, entertaining and highly respectful I open a History Cold Case video. No matter the individual story they always hit me in the feels.

  • @ladydar69pluto76
    @ladydar69pluto76 Před měsícem +24

    When they reveal the little boy's finished face picture, you can see the sadness and emotion fill the black-haired girl's eyes just for a bit. Poor little boy. Such a short life, and unfilled possibilities. So many lost dreams. xo

    • @deenagleason1225
      @deenagleason1225 Před 12 hodinami

      That's a sad way of looking at it I'm glad that now I look at death of a child only a possibility that they are given a second life with reincarnation. The soul is not killed or died just the human body,the soul is immortal❤

    • @deenagleason1225
      @deenagleason1225 Před 12 hodinami

      And because of the grave robberies. It went to the second stage of people building blocked mausoleums add a watchtower. Thus life goes on and we find solutions to things that trouble us. It's indeed part of The human experience.

  • @samanthafitzgerel4460
    @samanthafitzgerel4460 Před 2 lety +102

    What a sweet little face he had. I respect these scientists so much for deciding to bury the little guy and finally allowing him to Rest In Peace.

  • @duncanb4835
    @duncanb4835 Před 3 lety +269

    Sue Black is one of the most inspirational women of our time

    • @maric820
      @maric820 Před 3 lety +19

      Absolutely. She is exactly what my daughter wants to be some day. What a wonderful rolemodel.

    • @evie7194
      @evie7194 Před 3 lety +14

      @@maric820 This is the same for me, I'm in my first year of university and she's my biggest inspiration.

    • @christophergarrett8455
      @christophergarrett8455 Před 3 lety +21

      Sue black would be everybody’s favourite aunt,she’s intelligent,interesting and modest,I think she’s wonderful

    • @lizdandelion-glitter2286
      @lizdandelion-glitter2286 Před 3 lety +11

      Absolutely! I have binge watched everything I can find of her on CZcams. Wish I was clever enough to study anthropology properly!

    • @pattymelt-go3fv
      @pattymelt-go3fv Před 3 měsíci +1

      .i think Ms. Black rude and arrogant to he co workers.

  • @lovekatz3979
    @lovekatz3979 Před měsícem +8

    What a monstrous thing to do to anyone, especially a child.

  • @bobbibuttons8730
    @bobbibuttons8730 Před 3 lety +237

    I’ve read both of the wonderful Professor Dame Sue Blacks books and I stand completely in awe of her. She is doing something I would have loved to do but people of my working class background back then just didn’t go to Uni. She comes across as an amazing lady with a real passion for her profession and also she has really strong medical ethics.

    • @DocBree13
      @DocBree13 Před 2 lety +33

      I’m glad you made this comment so I now know about her books - I’ll have to get them :) You are obviously better educated than > 90% of people who leave YT comments, judging by your perfect grammar and choice of reading material. I’m certain you would have made an excellent forensic pathologist, and I would encourage you to do some soul searching to see if that or some other forensic discipline is something you’d still like to do. In this day and age, it’s often “never too late” to go to college and change careers. Many people do so after their children are grown and have left the nest.

    • @Littleone124
      @Littleone124 Před rokem +18

      I'm not sure how old you are but it is never too late to go back to school! My kiddos were adults when I went back to become a nurse. People in their 50s and 60s were even in my class!

    • @joannagodfrey5111
      @joannagodfrey5111 Před rokem +15

      I got a BA from the Open University when I retired from nursing, I graduated in my 60's

    • @maddieb.4282
      @maddieb.4282 Před rokem +8

      It is NEVER too late to go back to school. There are criminal justice and forensics programs everywhere and there are always a lot of adults because a lot of law enforcement officers go back to school after working for some time!

    • @steevo211
      @steevo211 Před 8 měsíci +6


      We have so much respect for the progress and people in this field of study, and especially the trailblazing women who work tirelessly and fearlessly in the pursuit of justice and truth.

  • @HC8080
    @HC8080 Před rokem +55

    Professor Sue Black is an absolute hero of mine. A respected expert in her field and a wonderful human being. Respect.

  • @simonebittencourt8251
    @simonebittencourt8251 Před rokem +95

    What an extraordinary story! The detective work to find out what could have happened to this boy brought to the surface past injustices and crimes against the most vulnerable: children. No question, the most humane goal would be burying this little boy. Finally, justice was reached for his little soul. No more exploitation, but peace and his dignity back. He lost his life young, but his fragile body told a story that is so meaningful, so powerful, and fundamental to be registered, remembered, and not repeated. Thank you so much for all of you who honored the life of this precious child.

  • @missmoonandlife
    @missmoonandlife Před 5 lety +390

    I actually really enjoy Caroline, the woman who gives these bodies a face again. She looks at them in a more personal way, in a more intimate way. Her role is one that bridges the scientific perspective and the personal perspective, which is really nice.

    • @claudiastockman8438
      @claudiastockman8438 Před 4 lety +18

      She's empathetic aye? You need the human being in every team.

    • @helencoven
      @helencoven Před 4 lety +12

      Very true!she adds that personal touch taking the remains (which look interesting but not very pretty) and turns them into a life like person we can relate to! brilliant show this!👍🏻🌸

    • @user-xn2hf9re8r
      @user-xn2hf9re8r Před 2 lety +9

      yes she is under rated in these programmes and it appears to me there is some conflict between her and Sue as Sue often puts her down unnecessarily

    • @jenniferjack2888
      @jenniferjack2888 Před 2 lety +1

      Agreed Miss Moon

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-xn2hf9re8r Clash of the Egos.

  • @rediris347
    @rediris347 Před 5 lety +1359

    I just think that every single body (person) who is examined, whether in this show or others like it, should have DNA extracted and uploaded. There are probably descendants somewhere, from siblings or cousins or whatever. It would be fantastic to find out!

    • @CactusSkeleton
      @CactusSkeleton Před 5 lety +96

      RED Iris usually there is a forensic file done on recovered bodies if a sample can be taken... however sometimes it can be difficult to get that extracted or it can be contaminated...

    • @gloriamontgomery6900
      @gloriamontgomery6900 Před 4 lety +36

      What a great idea.

    • @vivianwadida3292
      @vivianwadida3292 Před 4 lety +34

      You are right. No one has no relations no matter what.

    • @taffykins2745
      @taffykins2745 Před 3 lety +70

      Creepy...
      Knock, knock, knock
      Hello RED Iris, we discovered one of your past relatives. Yes, he was just a kid but was disceted and displayed for autopsy classes 250 years ago. We just thought you should know...

    • @itwasagoodideaatthetime7980
      @itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 Před 3 lety +76

      Given the amount of handling of the boys body over the centuries. & the substances used to preserve him finding DNA would be pretty hard if not impossible to do. None the less I think you're right & they should at least try to find out if he has any living relatives.

  • @user-gk5rg4pq5x
    @user-gk5rg4pq5x Před 2 měsíci +14

    This is possibly the saddest thing I’ve ever seen. That says a lot. Retired RN with 50 years of service.

  • @Hiker_who_Sews
    @Hiker_who_Sews Před 3 lety +258

    The atrocities that mankind is capable of shatters my sensibilities.

    • @darklynoon6847
      @darklynoon6847 Před 2 lety +11

      Do you need a hug?????🥺

    • @prehistoricpleb
      @prehistoricpleb Před 2 lety +33

      Unfortunately, without such ‘specimens’ our medical field of expertise nowadays wouldn’t be what it is. Sad fact.

    • @luannyates5199
      @luannyates5199 Před rokem +6

      I totally agree

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 Před rokem

      ​@@prehistoricpleb still they are perorming experiments on animals,

    • @VickiBee
      @VickiBee Před 2 měsíci +2

      Don't you mean HYPER-WEALTHY mankind?

  • @mandarazlim1677
    @mandarazlim1677 Před 5 lety +347

    I feel that this episode more than any other really reveals the respect and humanity these wonderful professionals preserve within themselves even with their area of study as scientists, who strive (as shown) to remain detached and objective. Thank you for what you've done here, and the decisions you made regarding his final resting place.

    • @isabelmac3165
      @isabelmac3165 Před 3 lety

      z

    •  Před 3 lety

      Detached...$$$

    • @jenniferjack2888
      @jenniferjack2888 Před 2 lety +6

      Yes perfectly put beautiful human 💞 love to you for saying so. You said it all. We owe them this for all they've given us.

    • @jaynecooney9549
      @jaynecooney9549 Před 2 lety

      I think it’s sick very disgusting

    • @kristinmcdaniel6567
      @kristinmcdaniel6567 Před 2 lety +1

      It is expensive to do this..so many go unsolved sadly

  • @sarahraisingmyvoice
    @sarahraisingmyvoice Před 3 lety +286

    I’m shocked they didn’t mention the Burke and Hare murders in Edinburgh!
    On the other hand though, the way they called him “our boy” is really quite endearing to me.

    • @scottessery100
      @scottessery100 Před 3 lety +11

      50:00 there are far worse people they did mention mate

    • @natasham3346
      @natasham3346 Před 3 lety +21

      I write articles on unidentified body cold cases and I always say "our" when talking about them in a general sense. It's a nice way to claim the person as your own when they don't have anyone else to advocate for them.

    • @sarahraisingmyvoice
      @sarahraisingmyvoice Před 3 lety +9

      @@natasham3346 I love that. I wish we did that in America.

    • @jenniferjack2888
      @jenniferjack2888 Před 2 lety +5

      Was thinking the same THING!

    • @user-xn2hf9re8r
      @user-xn2hf9re8r Před 2 lety

      yeah that's Scotland trying to keep a clean image and twisting the truth as ever

  • @Oakleaf700
    @Oakleaf700 Před 2 lety +48

    I was astounded as the little boy 'Came back to life' in his computer generated image.. Sweet lad. Some mother would be broken hearted to lose a lad like him.

  • @melissaandrews1603
    @melissaandrews1603 Před rokem +22

    This was a hard one to watch. I’m a mom of 2 boys.😢 But, any parent, any human with a heart, would be saddened at this one.

    • @pommiebears
      @pommiebears Před 2 měsíci +4

      Me too, two sons. Both grown men now, but I swear, I can still feel their chubby little hands around my neck. This poor little soul, left to hang on a wall. Broke my heart 💔

  • @ONeil-S.D
    @ONeil-S.D Před 2 lety +62

    I love Sue Black. She's an incredible woman. All the women on here are incredible 👏. I love this show. It's a great combination of forensics and history. Two of my favorite things. ❤

    • @rosiejl2798
      @rosiejl2798 Před rokem +2

      Yes! She has done so many amazing things in her life from working in various conflict zones including 2 tours of Iraq to working to identify victims of the boxing day tsunami and other natrual disasters to working out a method to identify pedophiles in CSA material based off their hands and arms as well as all her work in acedmia and as a teacher. I have so much respect for her.

  • @joywalsh6012
    @joywalsh6012 Před 5 lety +172

    Fascinating series with amazing stories. The presenters are so professional in their work and treat the bodies with great dignity.

    • @keryeeastin4022
      @keryeeastin4022 Před 3 lety +5

      Well said' and I quite agree

    • @Digitalhunny
      @Digitalhunny Před 3 lety +5

      This community gives readers the warm fuzzies. Thank you for your comment, I too agree. 🤗💖

  • @elizabethannegrey6285
    @elizabethannegrey6285 Před 3 lety +86

    Another excellent production. An unflinching yet sympathetic look into the dark history of the cadaver trade in Britain in the eighteenth century.
    Giving the little boy a face brought the whole episode to a humane conclusion.
    An accolade to the research team for their professional and investigative skills.

  • @borninmassteaparty3132
    @borninmassteaparty3132 Před 2 lety +37

    I love these ladies. They treat the bodies that they find with dignity and respect. More so than other archeological documentaries that I have seen. They are extraordinary.

  • @suemount6042
    @suemount6042 Před 5 lety +289

    Makes you wonder how many graves are actually empty from before the 1832 act

    • @Aconitum_napellus
      @Aconitum_napellus Před 5 lety +24

      We could find out, I've got a shovel.

    • @libbyreesbarresi7459
      @libbyreesbarresi7459 Před 5 lety +21

      probably an awful lot....grave robbers/body snatchers, were bad back then, it was big money......very sad

    • @joannagodfrey5111
      @joannagodfrey5111 Před 5 lety +23

      @@libbyreesbarresi7459 some towns/cities put iron coffin guards around the new coffins for about 6 weeks to prevent body snatchers. Body snatchers were not really grave robbers, they were businessmen filling a need, medical students needed bodies to dissect, there was no donating your body to science back then. Had it not been for these snatched bodies we would not have anything remotely like the level of knowledge of anatomy that we do today. The bodies "snatched" were usually paupers, buried by the parish in cheap pine coffins

    • @vickiestanley2307
      @vickiestanley2307 Před 4 lety

      @@joannagodfrey5111 o il
      No .uk opp kooo.o75l.p.

    • @peterkoller3761
      @peterkoller3761 Před 3 lety +6

      @@libbyreesbarresi7459 their work helped medicine to help the living without doing harm to the dead. the study of anatomy is a necessity in both the training of doctors and for science. always remember: you can trace whatever help you get from medicine now back to those resurrectionists and the bodies they retrieved for science and education.

  • @mikalabaker6110
    @mikalabaker6110 Před rokem +23

    So heinous! Imagine being devastated with a loss of an adult, child, or even unborn child, and having some horrid person steal their bodies for experiments.

    • @Human-vn3bq
      @Human-vn3bq Před 11 dny

      Families probably sold the bodies

  • @Terikoimoi
    @Terikoimoi Před rokem +17

    When the face was revealed I sobbed. Right down to the hairstyle he looks like my eight year old son. My heart 💔

  • @jimleon7894
    @jimleon7894 Před 3 lety +85

    You gave that poor, sweet little boy back his body.

    • @bonniebrindle8335
      @bonniebrindle8335 Před 3 lety +1

      All they did was showcase it so they could make money from it.

    • @jimleon7894
      @jimleon7894 Před 2 lety +6

      @@bonniebrindle8335 Sarcastic nonsense.

    • @MamaLinz123
      @MamaLinz123 Před 2 lety +2

      @@bonniebrindle8335 It must be so sad to be as cynical as yourself.

    • @AC........
      @AC........ Před 2 lety +5

      @@bonniebrindle8335 It's educational. From what I've read about Prof Sue Black's career history - painstakingly identifying civilian victims buried in mass graves in Kosovo to figuring out how to identify paedophiles from photos of their veins she is not a 'sell out' and works very hard to give back dignity to the dead. You really think someone of her standing within her profession would deliberately do something to bring her profession into disrepute?

  • @sharonarmstrong1016
    @sharonarmstrong1016 Před 3 lety +37

    My initial feeling for this boy is one of sadness. Then as the story goes on I begin to become very curious as to his identity.

  • @jodyross6185
    @jodyross6185 Před 3 lety +38

    I feel blessed to have seen this story of the little boy, there was a need at some point in life, gravediggers, for universities, etc, maybe this was a similar situation? The respect this team shows, really is beautiful! This show is educating and thoughtful. The CTV scanning was cool, and Caroline giving the boy a face, brought tears to my eyes!!! excellent Doc!!

  • @Amethyst_Dragon_
    @Amethyst_Dragon_ Před 3 lety +45

    I love these kinda documentaries ....and the team showed such respect for the little guy

  • @snuggies8037
    @snuggies8037 Před měsícem +3

    Seeing the little boy’s face really hit my emotions extra hard. Poor baby 💔

  • @narelle-creative-arts
    @narelle-creative-arts Před rokem +19

    Rest in peace sweet boy..may you be reunited with those that loved you❤

  • @lauriedmills7581
    @lauriedmills7581 Před 5 lety +54

    I wonder where he was buried. I'm glad that choice was made. Hard not to get your heart touched by this little boy. What a dark time in our people's history.

    • @spiralrose
      @spiralrose Před rokem +5

      I don’t see what’s wrong with this… Although I’m only halfway through the upload so I could be mistaken.
      If your child dies and you’re poor, why not sell their body to science or medicine?
      If the parents of these children didn’t make that sacrifice after their children died, we would know so much less about anatomy.

    • @spiralrose
      @spiralrose Před rokem +3

      I probably couldn’t do it though… It takes a stronger woman than my self.

    • @lauriedmills7581
      @lauriedmills7581 Před rokem +3

      @@spiralrose Don’t think I could do it either :). Pretty sure we don’t get money for bodies though?

  • @forakermm
    @forakermm Před rokem +15

    So sad indeed… thank you for giving him the respect he deserves and giving him a face. ❤️

  • @auntkaz422
    @auntkaz422 Před 3 lety +44

    Giving him back his face and his dignity. Perfect.

    • @Human-vn3bq
      @Human-vn3bq Před 11 dny

      Family was probably the one who sold him

  • @katherinecarpenter4677
    @katherinecarpenter4677 Před rokem +10

    I wish they were still doing this show. It's one of my all time favorites!!

  • @DigitallyRemasteredMusic
    @DigitallyRemasteredMusic Před rokem +11

    Loved this series when it was on TV, shame it stopped

  • @dianetandy1757
    @dianetandy1757 Před 2 měsíci +4

    The work people in this profession put into each case is outstanding and the empathy they show is just as much as the work they do
    I watch each episode in total awe of the knowledge they have and share with us all

  • @momv2pa
    @momv2pa Před 2 lety +22

    Extremely interesting and sad at once. Quite educational as well. Thank you.

  • @valsptsd814
    @valsptsd814 Před 3 měsíci +16

    As grim as this tale is, the young man had a role in teaching each of them. Without anatomical displays and resurrectionists, most contemporary medical professionals would be lacking key education.

    • @user-gk5rg4pq5x
      @user-gk5rg4pq5x Před 2 měsíci

      Medical practice is called a practice for a reason. They practice on cadavers and the living.

    • @annabrahamson4320
      @annabrahamson4320 Před 14 dny +2

      But they actually killed children to use 5hem to learn!! That is a stretch.

  • @dsantamaria713
    @dsantamaria713 Před 2 lety +15

    Fascinating...
    Well done, and the decision to bury this young boy was spot on...

  • @missg.5940
    @missg.5940 Před 3 lety +16

    The empathy they show for the people in the stories is amazing.👏👏👏😷🇨🇦🇺🇸

  • @kayewilson8391
    @kayewilson8391 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Absolutely fascinating work but incredibly sad all the same. Bless them for treating this young boy with so much respect

  • @elizabethannegrey6285
    @elizabethannegrey6285 Před 3 lety +40

    I have been into that art shop where pigments are sold. An absolute wonderland, a truly unique shop, certainly in London. A feast for the eyes!!!

    • @monicalange4226
      @monicalange4226 Před 2 lety +5

      I'm in Canada, but if I should ever be so fortunate to shop at this interesting apothecary, I would be giddy as a child coming out of a candy store.

    • @Montina_Paullin
      @Montina_Paullin Před 2 lety +3

      Oh that's lovely! It looks amazing! I wish there was an apothecary near me but not much love for that type of shop here, unfortunately.

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks so much for mentioning it...I've googled, Will be visiting if they are open with Covid rules. Magnificent looking shop!

    • @Oakleaf700
      @Oakleaf700 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Montina_Paullin London is the last bastion of many specialist shops, but sadly they are closing year by year.

  • @edeld.larsson4878
    @edeld.larsson4878 Před 9 měsíci +18

    Does anyone know why there was no more series of this show, I loved it

  • @goodnesswops2898
    @goodnesswops2898 Před 5 lety +34

    Really sad. Such a beautiful boy indeed. He deserves to rest after all this years.

  • @tinkerbelldog6321
    @tinkerbelldog6321 Před 3 lety +23

    Wonderful program.
    I love how the story unfolds through investigation.

  • @ketchupy3824
    @ketchupy3824 Před 5 lety +37

    Excellent series, truly. I'm utterly captivated with historical science & really like & respect this team. Great work!

  • @triciaford1957
    @triciaford1957 Před 3 lety +8

    I saw this originally on TV, but watched again, it is so interesting and they show a strong understanding and compassion.

  • @garyjene9146
    @garyjene9146 Před 5 lety +240

    If the remains are/were to be buried, one aspect that you missed is to try and get 2 or 3 samples for DNA analysis. If assumptions are correct, most families at that time frame usually had at least 3 or 4 kids. If that is true, then this kid would have had siblings that may have lived through adulthood and had kids of their own. If so, then there might be descendants living that would appreciate having the child back into the family and a proper reburial.

    • @garyjene9146
      @garyjene9146 Před 5 lety +27

      I was being rather conservative with my figures since I do not have all the facts about family life from that time frame. My point was that if the child had siblings that survived to adulthood, married and had children of their own, then there would be descendants. Then they would no doubt appreciate welcoming the child back into the family and giving him a proper (re)burial.

    • @edcrichton9457
      @edcrichton9457 Před 5 lety +24

      @@awaywiththetheories1833 Perhaps it would be more accurate to say 3-4 children who survived to adulthood. One of me relatives from early 20th century gave birth to 8 children, but only 4 survived.

    • @nightingalesong3059
      @nightingalesong3059 Před 5 lety +17

      My family (who were working class) from that period had 10-15 children each and at between 5-10 survived into adulthood to have children of their own. so it's almost a certainty that this little boy has some living relatives. unfortunately it can be very hard to find said family because back then DNA sampling just didn't exist. so there's just no way of knowing without having DNA samples of every person alive today.

    • @catherinespark
      @catherinespark Před 5 lety +9

      3-4 surviving siblings (at most) of a much greater number born was the case in some measure until VERY recently. The Bentleys (in the '30s and '40s) - had seven children:
      Joan, who died when the house she was in was hit by a bomb during the WWII blitz
      Derek (who was wrongly hanged as a murder accomplice aged nineteen), and a twin who died at birth
      Iris, and a twin who died at birth
      A baby with Down syndrome who died as a toddler
      Dennis
      Only Iris and Dennis survived past the age of nineteen

    • @rentechpad
      @rentechpad Před 5 lety +19

      I have to agree with this, and I wondered why no DNA was taken as usually that is part of the investigative steps they take - or was the preservation/mummification done so complete that no DNA survives even in molars or if it did it was ro badly disrupted to be tested? Given the number of people now joining DNA registries looking for relatives of any lineage it's quite possible that even if not right now, eventually there could turn out to be DNA that would connect him to family that still exists and may still live in the UK unless they were some of the masses of middle class the emigrated to the US during or after that time. Giving him a face is one thin but giving him a family might be something even more, and one never knows what a DNA connection might shed light on. My family was very good at keeping family records of births, deaths and marriages and other odd happenings and the family has records that date back to the 1600's. Some of our family emigrated to the Americas and some stayed in Scotland. In several family lineages in several generations we have children marked 'disappeared' and their lineage ended theer but while siblings went one. Can you image finding a DNA relative that was even able to tell you that they had a record of a family member during that time period, at that age, that disappeared. The world gets smaller and more connected every day. One never knows.

  • @lovingmayberry307
    @lovingmayberry307 Před 2 lety +7

    I wish they'd bring this series back!

  • @aileenoreilly6042
    @aileenoreilly6042 Před 2 lety +14

    I was so relieved to hear that this little boy was going to be buried. It was heartbreaking to see his little anonymous skeleton with the arm raised and the entire skullcap removed. It is one thing if his body was used as a means of medical education when the anatomy act was passed but to hear that he could have been either murdered or ripped from his grave was horrific. Just another reminder of how cheap human life was during this time.
    May he rest in peace now all these years later 🙄💖.

    • @shannonspage9360
      @shannonspage9360 Před rokem

      Yea, newer regulations only apply to anatomical models created after that point. So old ones can still be used the rules only apply to new ones produced.

  • @pommiebears
    @pommiebears Před 2 měsíci +4

    I understand that to learn, it helps to see. But, this poor soul, just a kid, left to hang upon a wall, is nothing but incredibly sad. 😞

  • @CLOUDSINTHEKITCHEN
    @CLOUDSINTHEKITCHEN Před 3 lety +34

    This is my favourite shop in London . I used to live just around the corner and walk in and marvel ever so often...

  • @lorisilverstein3010
    @lorisilverstein3010 Před rokem +19

    Why did you not do DNA and attempt to find a surviving family branch and allow them the dignity of closure and possibly a name for the poor child?

    • @Beth20043
      @Beth20043 Před 13 dny +4

      The UK is very picky about when genetic genealogy can be used. 😒
      This case would not qualify because it is so old. :(

    • @snowassassin2177
      @snowassassin2177 Před 12 dny +2

      Even if the UK allowed it the DNS could probably be so damaged you couldn't get a clear reading on it.. Plus knowing when you're distant ancestors went through something that horrible would put a damper on anybody's day.

    • @user-br6qi7dl3c
      @user-br6qi7dl3c Před 10 dny

      I agree. Thought that too in the first 2 mins.

  • @robbleeker4777
    @robbleeker4777 Před 2 lety +11

    I think this is quite an emotional episode, for me personally, as I have kids that are about his age...As a parent, you put a lot of resources in a child, to see him being displayed as he was, it almost made me cry. I believe they made the right decision to give the child the proper burial he may have never received, and bring peace to his little soul.

    • @user-xn2hf9re8r
      @user-xn2hf9re8r Před 2 lety

      for god's sake grow up man - it is sad but not everything about children has to relate to your own - be more objective and adult

    • @spiralrose
      @spiralrose Před rokem +3

      Funny, I’m not a parent but I felt very similar to you while watching this episode.
      You don’t need to have kids, all you need to do is have empathy and imagination.

  • @ileanamuntean7338
    @ileanamuntean7338 Před 11 měsíci +11

    I love Sue Black.

    • @user-gk5rg4pq5x
      @user-gk5rg4pq5x Před 2 měsíci

      I’ve never liked her personality.

    • @ileanamuntean7338
      @ileanamuntean7338 Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-gk5rg4pq5x I've thought she is quite natural with a pleasant voice and delivery. I contrast her with those "psychologists" who state the obvious and have dreadful voices and plastic faces. I might be wrong. Maybe it's all on the surface and I am not seeing deeper.

  • @TheVengefulEmpress
    @TheVengefulEmpress Před 3 lety +16

    The fellow Scot is a wonder human being. She did a talk on identifying marks on the hands of criminals...fascinating.

  • @rebeccacarraway480
    @rebeccacarraway480 Před 3 lety +36

    It’s fairly revolting to call body snatchers ‘resurrectionists’, considering it means bringing someone back to life.

    • @denisenilsson1366
      @denisenilsson1366 Před 2 lety +3

      Maybe using "Resurrectionists" was first used by someone and their attempt at wit.

    • @rebeccacarraway480
      @rebeccacarraway480 Před 2 lety +1

      @@denisenilsson1366 ew lol. Warped sense of humor but yea ok.

    • @Chandra614
      @Chandra614 Před 2 lety +4

      @@rebeccacarraway480 the British tend to be known for that slightly warped sense of humor. Probably, "Resurrectionists" was the body snatchers' name for themselves.

  • @carolbutler6932
    @carolbutler6932 Před 3 lety +26

    Rest in peace sweet boy.

  • @tutoring1013
    @tutoring1013 Před 5 lety +66

    I too, would love to see a DNA analysis give more detail into the child's history and particularly if it could shed light on a possible disease process. Something obviously had been stunting his growth though he wasn't malnourished, so it begs the unanswered question of what disease process might it have been and could that have suggested he died from this instead of murder.

    • @Digitalhunny
      @Digitalhunny Před 3 lety +7

      They would, if only they could. They'd only possibly get mitochondrial DNA, if it's not all degenerated.

    • @midorimorgan9245
      @midorimorgan9245 Před měsícem

      Agreed, but incredibly well told!

  • @bodacioustness5054
    @bodacioustness5054 Před 2 měsíci +12

    Wish there were a DNA possibility. He could be buried by descendants.

  • @chriseggleston7573
    @chriseggleston7573 Před rokem +8

    This is very disturbing 😢

  • @wkjeom
    @wkjeom Před rokem +10

    Taking anatomy and physiology at a US state college, I saw multiple preserved babies. It always bothered me. I always wondered what had happened to them. Poor babies. The anatomy didn't bother me, and I wasn't freaked out by that. It just always made me sad thinking about how they got there.

    • @jennifermoriarty2188
      @jennifermoriarty2188 Před rokem +2

      Parents donated so others can learn

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 Před rokem

      ​@@jennifermoriarty2188 exactly I wantedto donate my body to science ,I'm dead so they can do what they want plus no cost for a funeral,but I have to decline as they refuse your body if you have died of certain diseases or infections,which I cannot guarantee won't happen to me,thus meaning family member will have to get the dispatch sorted,so I'm going for funeral direct,morgue to crem,no service etc.

    • @sabrinastratton1991
      @sabrinastratton1991 Před 2 měsíci

      I was asked if I wantes to donate my baby when i miscarried him at 17 weeks. I thought of it and then decided nkt to

  • @rebeccathompson5363
    @rebeccathompson5363 Před 5 lety +39

    I hope they gave this poor boy a name before they buried him. I did not know about this horrible practice on children in the past until now and I am saddened to hear that many others shared the same fate. I only hope that they did not have prolonged deaths.

    • @elizabethchandler7377
      @elizabethchandler7377 Před rokem +1

      Robbie....something's telling me his name is Robbie....

    • @ingloriousbetch4302
      @ingloriousbetch4302 Před 2 měsíci +1

      There are some ppl in these comments who have no problem whatsoever with kids like this boy and stealing him from his grave. It's sick. It's one thing If It's someone donated their body but snatching kids? Nope.

    • @wiloka28
      @wiloka28 Před měsícem

      @@ingloriousbetch4302I agree with you. Some folks are just heartless. Robbing graves is never okay. I don’t care if it’s for knowledge. It’s wrong. Even back then it was wrong, and people didn’t look kindly on those who did it.

  • @cherylholasek2193
    @cherylholasek2193 Před 3 lety +13

    Just love this stuff and thank you for showing me these interesting facts. I’ve been binge watching for several months now and hope you will continue to bring more cases. Thanks to everyone for all your hard work I know it’s not easy but greatly appreciated.

  • @Esstan1
    @Esstan1 Před 2 lety +10

    This episode was really touching. You finally gave that boy rest and the dignitity he deserved

  • @wmo1234
    @wmo1234 Před 3 lety +13

    Terribly sad story. I'm relieved that he will go back to the Mother. The Mother of us all. The blessed Earth.

  • @karensmith8393
    @karensmith8393 Před 3 lety +15

    Wow absolutely amazing, fascinating, by far the best documentary I've watched in a long time, I didn't want it to end, I could have watched it for hours, thank you 😁

    • @DocBree13
      @DocBree13 Před 2 lety

      Yes - the only fault I found was that it was entirely too short :)

  • @WendyP1965
    @WendyP1965 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Those poor little kiddos having to starve and work instead of playing like kids shld! It's so heartbreaking!
    Ppl have always been so ghoulish and horrible throughout history!

  • @bogomir67
    @bogomir67 Před 5 lety +92

    The artit's supply shop looked like a place from Harry Potter

    • @brandyjean7015
      @brandyjean7015 Před 3 lety +2

      It looked like a place I would happily visit!

  • @michealamarietrebilcock1191

    So educational and the way the team works together is amazing

  • @lisa4979
    @lisa4979 Před 2 lety +37

    54:17 - 54:40 great way of putting it. There's a lot of comments saying how tragic this was etc but this is how our doctors and physiologists learned

    • @DocBree13
      @DocBree13 Před 2 lety +10

      I completely agree - except for the murders, of course

    • @sealyoness
      @sealyoness Před rokem +1

      One of the lessons they learned in so many cases was That This Doesn't Work.

    • @bettierusso5410
      @bettierusso5410 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Right... let's see if you would feel the same way if your son is murdered, or dug up and removed from his grave by a stranger, and sold for mere chump change for a bunch of medical students about 18 yr old to dissect and make jokes about.I wonder if you would look at it the same way???

    • @lisa4979
      @lisa4979 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@bettierusso5410 right... let's see if you'd feel the same way when your doctor had no idea how to treat any diseases and instead ended up ending your life because they had no idea what they were doing. I wonder if you would look at it the same way then??

    • @ozzyluvngirl
      @ozzyluvngirl Před 2 měsíci +2

      I am glad to see. I'm not the only one with the same thoughts. Doctors have to learn somehow and in this instance. It's a child and although that is tragic. He ended up serving a purpose in the long run. I intend to donate my body after death.

  • @cyndifoore7743
    @cyndifoore7743 Před 2 lety +7

    So well done and thank you for your respect of this boy.

  • @AndyG94
    @AndyG94 Před 5 lety +192

    I am glad he was buried, his body has been abused enough, let his bones turn to dust

    • @rebeccafionacornel6558
      @rebeccafionacornel6558 Před 5 lety +12

      AndyG94....i agree with you.....but since it was a mummy i don't know if that would be possible that the mummy of the child would turn to dust.......i really don't know.....but it was a good idea that they buried the poor thing......it kind of hurt me to know the sordid past of human anatomy......but then i guess, we wouldn't have known about what was inside our own bodies and how our bodies worked without these things.......but to murder a child just for money, well that is as far as a really desperate person for money could and can still go.......

    • @CactusSkeleton
      @CactusSkeleton Před 5 lety +10

      He may not turn to dust unless he was naturally buried.... moisture will help him decompose into the earth however the preservation on him is quite extensive so it could like some time

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 Před rokem

      ​@@CactusSkeleton they can cremate him

  • @kiwisweetheart71
    @kiwisweetheart71 Před 5 lety +86

    Poor little man. It was when I saw that cute face that got me. Glad he was interred.

    • @wildrose912
      @wildrose912 Před 3 lety +11

      Just a few tears when finally looking into that innocent little face. Rest in heaven little one.

  • @Aconitum_napellus
    @Aconitum_napellus Před 5 lety +22

    That bit at the beginning where she puts her hand around his forearm, poor little mite.

  • @dr.calebrobbins.3177
    @dr.calebrobbins.3177 Před 3 lety +20

    Out of the 'work' of Resurrectionists & Anatomy's griisly past came the knowledge Medicine uses today & will keep building upon. Very insightful series. It is essential though that with Objectivity we must retain our ability to be subjective, lest we very easily lose our Humanity .... as recent History clearly demonstrates. Glad they decided to bury this little. Boy.After 170 yrs. his work is done. CR.

  • @trudiemooy9676
    @trudiemooy9676 Před rokem +2

    Sooo intriguing and emotional!

  • @cathwilliams2976
    @cathwilliams2976 Před 5 lety +25

    The work you are all doing is amazing. Thank you for bringing us this serise. Xxx

  • @richartstudionoon8417
    @richartstudionoon8417 Před 5 lety +14

    Fantastic series!
    True forensic time travellers.

  • @RedFoxSkull
    @RedFoxSkull Před 4 lety +35

    It’s a macabre thought perhaps, but I wonder if, in another 200 years, I myself, or someone I know, could be the “cold case” on a show like this. I bet they could determine a lot more specific facts than we can now.

  • @susanpendell4215
    @susanpendell4215 Před rokem +6

    Burring the boy was the right thing to do. I thought that from the onset. He's a child, hung in an undignified manor and wasn't asked if he wanted to be a subject for study . I imagine that if his parents knew at the time that they would be horrified. I believe that he was killed, but also may have had rickets or some other disease that stunded his growth. Poor child! These same indignities in an other manor still go on today. We are long long long long overdue for children's rights.

  • @potatopatooti
    @potatopatooti Před 3 lety +4

    I wish this was an even longer series . I love it so much

  • @Fizzwhizz28
    @Fizzwhizz28 Před 4 lety +47

    Wish they could identify all of those poor children :(

    • @Digitalhunny
      @Digitalhunny Před 3 lety +5

      If you think about it, these children are still treasured. They're not forgotten dust, they're immotal. 💖

    • @landontheslasher8316
      @landontheslasher8316 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Digitalhunny
      No he/she's is trying to say what were their names

    • @reneeritchie-gazarkiewicz9644
      @reneeritchie-gazarkiewicz9644 Před 3 lety

      I know with all the cold case crimes being solved with DNA through the data base of the DNA companies you know they would of had hits for family members. With more a lot research I'm sure they could of identified who he was.

  • @kalel311superman9
    @kalel311superman9 Před 2 měsíci +3

    poor kid, i wonder how missing persons cases were handled at the time?

  • @poe250
    @poe250 Před 3 lety +23

    I cried though this WHOLE process. I have an eight year old son and it kills me to think of the desecration of his little body

    • @lemongrabloids3103
      @lemongrabloids3103 Před 2 lety

      Same. My boy is 8 too and this was so heartbreaking 💔

    • @user-xn2hf9re8r
      @user-xn2hf9re8r Před 2 lety +1

      grow up and don't watch it if you are so infantile

    • @pepsicola6232
      @pepsicola6232 Před 2 lety +1

      @@user-xn2hf9re8r awww bless you trying to make someone rise to the bait hahaga

  • @AvaT42
    @AvaT42 Před 3 lety +2

    I am so happy I found these shows! Thank you for posting.

  • @hansendesigns
    @hansendesigns Před 4 lety +68

    Burying without DNA is like a last slap in the face. Why research him at all if not to see if he could find any family?

    • @helencoven
      @helencoven Před 4 lety +6

      I agree!they must have the capabilities to extract dna from the mummified corpse even if it were stored until a match could be made in the future.

    • @williamegler8771
      @williamegler8771 Před 4 lety +36

      Family?
      He at most has distant relatives separated by generations.
      Giving him a proper burial shows the respect he hasn't received in over a century.
      How many people are familiar with the lives of relatives from five or more generations ago?

    • @ohrenata
      @ohrenata Před 3 lety +17

      Its a delicated situation. They humanized him again and gave him a decent burrial.
      Not everybody is open to finding out this kind of thing and dna exames cost money to maybe find a family who wants nothing to do with it. Also the time this was made I think there was no stuff like 21andme, was it?
      My point is the whole thing is complicated and the best thing they already did that time.

    • @Annaonesun
      @Annaonesun Před 3 lety +23

      If it was me, finding out something like this had happened to one of my distant relatives would make me sick. I would much rather live in ignorance. The team obviously cared more for this boy than anyone else since he was alive and I'm happy they gave him the respect of a burial.

    • @taffykins2745
      @taffykins2745 Před 3 lety +18

      I'm sure the DNA was way too degraded.

  • @kihmjones6782
    @kihmjones6782 Před 2 lety +3

    Amazing dedication to science and research!! Well done!!

  • @lorrainesaltmarsh2836
    @lorrainesaltmarsh2836 Před rokem +4

    I usually watch things to do with the paranormal and I came across this while looking for something else and decided to watch it. I am glad I did because I found it quite fascinating.

  • @clovelly1946
    @clovelly1946 Před 5 lety +93

    It sounds awful bodies sold and used for anatomy studies But we owe so much to these studies and body snatchers as awful as it seems..I am a cadaver doner,in the hope my body will be some use to anatomy studies.

    • @DavidBrown-jk2pm
      @DavidBrown-jk2pm Před 5 lety +5

      @Barbara-Louisa walker You don't want to be "laid to rest" and visited with flowers? "The peace of the grave" doesn't mean anything to you? Having your blood drained and replaced by embalming fluid isn't exciting to you? Resting in a coffin underground isn't your dream? What's wrong with you, Barbara-Louisa?

    • @daracolakoglu841
      @daracolakoglu841 Před 5 lety +14

      David Brown Dear Friend! Your answer to Barbara-Louisa and her post have thrown me into the bottomless pit of dilemma. I’m an atheist who doesn’t believe in afterlife and all that junk. My medical doctor/poet daddy died at age 61 thirty three years ago and my poet kid sister died at age 54 four years ago. Speculatively thinking, I presume accepting death and decay can be more acceptable for believers ( of any religion) but I can tell you that it takes a lot of time and pain to realize/ accept that your loved one is no more if you don’t have any celestial affiliation. It took me sooooo long to finally accept that my loved ones had become mere corpses in the graves. Neither one had thought of donating their bodies to science although they were both raised “in science”. I won’t donate my body to science either and I know that bringing flowers to the graves of your loved ones is so uplifting and romantically relieving. Though I know that there are only bones in their graves, I still go to them with flowers. I too will be just another bunch of bones in my grave sometime, it’s a fact. Our friend Barbara-Louisa Walker knows this fact too. In this respect and aside from any romantic consideration, I cannot help thinking if Barbara’s resolution is actually the right one. And her resolution is a very knowing, down to earth and brave one. I wish I had those balls. This issue is open to all speculations. I thank both of you for bringing it up. So long.

    • @DavidBrown-jk2pm
      @DavidBrown-jk2pm Před 5 lety +6

      @@daracolakoglu841 Firstly, I'm am sorry about your losses. Had some of my own. Secondly, the remaining living can do whatever they want to feel better if it's respectful. I just don't believe in con men/women telling the bereaved that their loved ones are being "laid to rest."

    • @DavidBrown-jk2pm
      @DavidBrown-jk2pm Před 5 lety +4

      @@daracolakoglu841 Nobody can get over the death of someone they loved. Of course we want to keep whatever we can and frankly even talk to them, bring flowers, etc. I feel I have to answer you just a bit more (lost several people recently). You die, leave the body, and "God" as usual turns the body into rotting hamburger--"God" loves eat or be eaten, rotting, everything. "His" job? Continuance of life, even if it means little girls getting eaten by sharks. THAT IS GOD'S EARTH. The last thing I would expect is that embalming a body and burying it would have anything to do with what happens to "the departed." Tutankhamen is glad what was done with his body? He moved on at the moment of death. It's sad that we live in a world where cemeteries are sacred "places of rest." Nobody is resting there. That's not where your departed are. I don't believe in digging holes, embalming people and putting them in them, and claiming the remains are "resting." Whoever you lost, maybe they are coming to you but sure as hell not "resting in the grave" or waiting there for flowers.

    • @EmilyGloeggler7984
      @EmilyGloeggler7984 Před 5 lety +3

      I personally would never let my body be treated as if they were trash or as if they are not human further. Its about time anatomy gave up their studies - they don't need them further and plus, we already have examples to use. When I die, I hope to be buried in one piece with all of my organs intact.

  • @horseslove45
    @horseslove45 Před 5 lety +57

    I am also glad he was buried. No child should be this abused even if their soul left their body it’s still a body and should stay in the ground

    • @zippyls
      @zippyls Před 4 lety +12

      In Sue Blacks book All That Remains she says because of legal reasons they were not allowed to bury him, he was stored back in a museum collection inaccessible to the public.

    • @GeorgiaGeorgette
      @GeorgiaGeorgette Před 3 lety +2

      @@zippyls
      Really?

    • @zombiedoggie2732
      @zombiedoggie2732 Před 3 lety +2

      @@zippyls At least his dignity was given back to him, he isn't being gawked at by anyone now. Hopefully the boy can finally rest in peace.

    • @jennifermoriarty2188
      @jennifermoriarty2188 Před rokem

      Some people donate so people can learn...

  • @lorrainelevi7872
    @lorrainelevi7872 Před 2 měsíci +1

    All of these women are very dedicated to their profession, to these three women, thank you for using all of your knowledge in the instruments in your medical education. When I first started watching this program, and I saw the educational dissection of this little boy it was both interesting and sad. Thank you for laying him to rest 🪦🥀🦋💐🌹his job was long done.😢😊🎉

  • @michellecobb2158
    @michellecobb2158 Před 2 lety +5

    Fly high little man 💙🇦🇺
    Can’t change the past but at least he now knows respect and a caring touch

  • @saraberrycrochet2147
    @saraberrycrochet2147 Před 2 lety +11

    This really makes you realize the most heinous acts in history are often done in the pursuit of wealth or knowledge.