Who Was Saint Bees Man? - Medieval Dead - S02 EP01 - History Documentary
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- čas přidán 19. 10. 2023
- Join us as we unravel the medieval mystery of Saint Bees Man in this episode of Medieval Dead. Discover the fascinating story behind the astonishing archaeological discovery of a remarkably preserved body buried for centuries. We delve into the life and death of Sir Anthony De Lucy, a 14th-century English knight, and his journey to the dangerous northern Crusades in Lithuania. Learn about the siege of Kaunas Castle and the brutal realities of medieval warfare. This episode explores historical research, archaeological findings, and the quest to connect the dots of the past.
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I still maintain that British documentaries are the best...excellent
I agree
American documentaries seem to be crafted to create stress and insult the intelligence of the viewer. Flash! Flash! Loud drums! Jarring cuts! Shaky camera! Pixellation! Jerky blurred slow-motion! Flash! Flash! Flash!
I can't watch them any more.
Hard not to wonder if a nation so rich with history will be lost to those pages, with the allowance of a litany of undeserved migrants. Such is history, eh?!
@@chrisgrill6302wth I notice this all the time!? I watch some basic doco and they’re tryna sell me an action movie.
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What today still exists from a hundred years ago? How could those who fought for their home land relate to the present? Is it not already lost. Not lost for all. But the today of today is nothing much like the yesterday of 1924. Being a pensioner. I see death and dying all around of my own generation and the number of the living (of my generation) is only getting smaller. But. Is not the new multi-cultural Britain or UK just what the politicians wanted. The Nation you mentioned. I do not know who it is.
That’s seriously some of the best preservation I’ve ever seen on any mummy of any kind.
How many have you seriously seen?
@@Momusinterra I mean in photos and videos ofc. But if you're curious about specific examples, the next best would have to be Tollund Man. He literally looks like he's only sleeping.
@@Momusinterra Not everyone has the same info you do. Instead of being condescending, recommend some documentaries! Even though I'm rather experienced in this topic, I'm always open to learning more
@@MomusinterraI saw some in the British Museum and this one was definitely better preserved!
This whole story is fascinating. The quest to find out about the man and his life by these historians, shows awesome dedication.
Well, this is a first for me! Anthony de Lucy is my 2nd cousin 17x removed! I never expected to watch an autopsy of an ancestor that was so incredibly well preserved! I'm connected in many ways to the de Lucy and de Moulton families. Fascinating!
wow
Not an ancestor. You don't descend from a cousin. (Unless you are from Alabama. LOL)
@susannalamont6707 In case of noble families I wouldn't be surprised if there were some cousins in the family tree also.
That's not possible, you must be American 😂
@@susannalamont6707are u just one of those people who gets off on correcting people over trivalities to make yourself feel superior lol....his revelation...is no less interesting no matter what venacular u choose to use to define his relation to the deceased
It's too bad he was discovered when he was.. imagine how much more could have been learned from the advancements we have now.
Thank you for a most interesting video of the disvovery and eventual identification of the St.Bees man, as also the reconstruction of his crusade to Lithuania and death.
It is such a shame he was found in 1981.... the things we could have learned if he had been dug up later..
I was thinking the same thing. Can't blame them for how they handled it, though. Removed from the coffin, there was no choice but to handle the body in the most scientific way they were able at the time and at least they documented it for us. Still can't help but wonder what more we could've gleaned from his body with modern forensics.
It’s especially surprising that they didn’t at least keep whatever samples they initially took, often that’s usually what happens when modern day forensics does analysis: it’s not only easier hut often cheaper to first check if any testable remains still exist in a lab or museum.
But to purge all things that had prior contact with the St Bees guy and lose all trace of DNA is weird, even for the early 1980’s!!!
@@kg2306 Could always exhume him I suppose. Should still be possible to get some DNA samples from the body.
@@kg2306yes, especially when you consider how close they were in terms of DNA profiling and fingerprinting, by the mid to late eighties they had it pretty much cracked!
Unless his body was re-wrapped and resin covered, and the coffin was re-sealed with lead, there won't be much to analyse after more than 40 years!@@Immopimmo
I watched the original video at the museum in Whitehaven, it was absolutely fascinating, i saw them holding the liver and whilst watching it you could actually see it turn black on camera - my family originate from St Bees, lovely place.
Was a lovely place before Windscale/Sellafield
Was there a couple of months ago, it is still a lovely place. @@user-yd9bg7jm6o
An excellent film, and kudos for these dedicated investigators. The man in the lead coffin chose his path, as we all do. Fate chooses where it will end.
You have said that very nicely about the man 👌
If the residents of Saint Bees would submit DNA swabs, I wonder how many matches there would be to the man from the grave?
Totally agree with you that there would be some matches for sure 🙏👍
Now that would be a great thing to do, they did it with cheddar man so no reason why it wouldn’t work
@@suemount6042 Wow! You know about Cheddar Man!! I am super impressed! When ever I have told someone about Cheddar Man, they look at me like I am crazy or just making it up.
@@maj.d.sasterhikes9884 I thought it was funny how they determined Cheddar Man was NOT lactose intolerant. It made me lol
He's possibly a relative of mine. I have de Lucy's in my family tree.
Great story, well produced and narrated. I sure hope there is a follow-up discussing DNA, descendants, and the autopsy results. I would really like to know about his medical history and whether there is any significant differences between his general health and today's population.
Thanks for that! The excavator was a Durham Uni. pal of mine all those years ago, and before that at Bristol, and I heard about this discovery first hand, but never any more. Sad that our old Durhan Prof Rosie died before seeing this. But come on Deidre, time to publish!
A fascinating look back into this time period, place, and life, brought to life by this excellent production.
⚜️ Whoever ensured he returned home for burial was a saint - what a mission!…especially when you compare that over 400 years later Horatio Nelson was pickled in a barrel of brandy to get him home
He must have been much admired for this amount of effort. Because I've not heard of anyone else thus transported back home
500 years
Don't discount the DNA of us cousins across the pond. They should load his DNA on Gedmatch. I bet they'd get hits from everywhere!
I thought I'd read everything about Lord Nelson but pickled after death? Had no idea.
@garyallen8824 Thanks for the info. At least he wasn't thrown out to sea.
Bravo! Since I heard of St Bees Man, I could barely find any information or videos for years until today. It's a fascinating story. 👍👍
Same!
Remarkable that such an anomaly should have had so little media attention a generation ago, when in these days of oversharing more commotion can be exploited from a careless word or a bent spoon.
Another wonderful , thought provoking medieval documentary. Fascinating . Thank you so much.
Medieval stuff is just so depressing, I can't really get into it. The crusades are insane! Nobody really thought much. It seems like afterward they felt the same way and ignored that whole era, fascinated more by druids.
I'm amazed they just opened the coffin there and then. There is an episode of Time Team where they found a lead sarcophagus, and they all had protective gear at the ready incase of any body liquids etc.
This didnt happen yesterday
I'd be more afraid of some unknown virus or bacteria..
@@einienj3281 I don't think they would be unknown, just out of circulation for a very long time. On the whole, we would most likely have immunity to a distant descendant(s) of any pathogens found, so the chances of a zombie apocalypse would be pretty remote.
What does make it potentially lethal for the excavating team in such circumstances however, is that a combination of putrefaction combined with the maintenance of liquefaction could harbour such vast amounts of pathogens that the immune systems of anyone in close attendance could be overwhelmed before they had any chance to resist.
Luckily, our man was washed, wrapped in a naturally antiseptic cocoon, then tinned _(leaded actually)_ pretty smartly after death. A combination of the skill of the craftsmen who built the coffin, and its placement in a no doubt predominantly clay soil grave made for an air and watertight time machine!
@@jamesportrais3946 Well, unknown to our current immune system, something like the black death..
I was thinking the almost exactly the same...And not only the risk of pathogens, something You't think they at least would consider when finding a LEAD Coffin!!. But ALSO that they were obviously not really prepared to accommodate anything "unexpected". Something that You't think they also at least should suspect could be the case when opening something of an nature that they were totally unfamiliar with... To be honest to me it came across as if it was more them being "overcome with curiosity" than "professional archaeological procedure...
Amazing and fantastic how they pieced his story together. Time detectives. Awesome 👍
I love time detectives.
I love this story. I cry every time. What a man, and history
Nowadays the coffin would have been opened in a secure, sanitized area so as not to contaminate the remains
Absolutely, as a retired archaeologist, I am absolutely horrified that this valuable discovery was handled in this haphazard manner.
Would not have been opened, but CT scanned
Those days were not these days...
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Right! I was shocked when I saw they opened it up outside right by the burial site! Even for 1981, I’d have thought they’d have done things differently.
@@riggs20 I think they expected to find nothing more than bones at that point but yeah these days teams are much more methodical and gentle in their procedures.
reminds me of a line from "The Mummy" "He's still...gooey..."
England, where we have so much archeology we park our cars on it.
You even put your kings in car parks
This was an excellent and informative article. Well done for the effort and attention to detail you have taken. Rob
Amazing and thank you for bringing to life this part of history that I had no knowledge of. This was very informative and very well done.
It’s crazy that they did in fact send his body back from the battle to his home. Incredible one in a million story.
Beautiful handwriting of John de Moulton
Excellent production! Fascinating story. I just love how all these academic people who have devoted their life work to obscure and remote bits of history can suddenly become “knights” of a sort as they ride up (in jumpers and wire rimmed spectacles now ) holding a key piece of knowledge or documentation like a flag in the wind, that brings the story forward out of the mists of time. Seeing the hand-written letter whilst knowing his fate (when he did not) is profoundly poignant. A great documentary, thank you for posting it!
What a beautiful way to think of it!
Quite brilliant! What IS it about Leicester and car parks?
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fascinating story! two questions to consider: could the injury have been related to the kick of a horse? and, secondly, have there ever been testing on the lead and resin?
By coincidence, I am nursing two broken ribs right now and I can tell you, it's miserably painful. And my first thought was that he was dismounted somehow and got trampled. It seems consistent with his injuries.
I personally think it was a horse related injury. It had to be blunt force trauma as outwardly his body seems to lack any visible injury.
This is my belief as well… either kicked or thrown, but alive enough to return to England and then pass
A lot of people believe it was a joust
That is an excellent program. What a find and what a story!!
I’m not a big historian on those years or of Royalty. But my fiancé is. This was an amazing story. It has definitely peaked my curiosity for this kind of history. But the preservation of his body was absolutely incredible.
A fascinating account of discovery and identification of a man who lived and died so long, ago!!
What a fantastic story of one persons journey through life. Putting a name to the body is utterly amazing. Now he will never be
forgotten. A really interesting video. Thank you.
Wait a minute! What else did the autopsy uncover?
I agree with the person who asked about samples of the pine tar, and the other items.
Please tell us that they took many samples of his skin and organs before he was reburied.
What a fascinating video! I'm so glad it came up on my feed.
I had hoped to learn more about the pitch-lead method of embalming. One of the experienced men with the knights must have learned the technique Somewhere. The Holy Land, perhaps?
Fascinating history, wonderfully imagined, in an excellent production. Thank you.
Thank you for posting this fascinating documentary I loved every minute of it!
The condition of his tissues after nearly 700 years is truly mind blowing, but what was even more remarkable was the work done to identify him as almost certainly Anthony de Lucy!
Also the fact that he was brought home, a journey of over 1500 miles from Kaunas, where he was thought to have been either been killed or mortally wounded, meant that he was obviously considered worthy of such an honor!
I wonder if they could have further proved their theory by testing the pine resin and pollen grains in it. Also they should do DNA tests now.
Those were my thoughts too.
I agree. I hope that they preserved enough samples for future (now) analysis.
I hope they put a headstone on the grave.
Thank you for the interesting documentary
Kaunas is a place steeped in History as is most of Lithuania. I thoroughly enjoyed my visits there decades ago,just after the exit of the Soviets. It was also the Worlds biggest Jewish city prior to WW2. There are some other interesting castles in Vlinius ,plus the Hill Of Crosses at Šiaulia which is believed to date as far back as 1200 ,So Maybe Sir Anthony made a visit there too.
They are terribly lucky he didn't die of smallpox or plague or something else we don't have today!! I remember reading about this in school, some 20 years ago now, and being astounded by the written description, but seeing it here is flooring. I feel so privileged to see the video recordings of something that only happened to be recorded by chance!!
I have been searching for this documentary for AGES :D All I had to go on was a short clip elsewhere on CZcams which simply shows the autopsy. Now I have the entire documentary to watch! Brilliant!
Loved this documentary. It really kept my attention, and was very informative. I'll be watching the others in this series for sure.
Specifically I wanted to add how grateful I am to see that the real autopsy footage was included. It feels like things are incredibly censored nowadays. Seeing the raw footage is very impactful and educational.
This is amazing! I once visited the St Bees church about 10 yrs ago and saw portions of the bloodstained shroud, and wanted to know more, but nobody was around to tell me anything. I visited a Workington museum and made inquiries, but they had no clue as to what I was asking about. So I gave up. To find all the info I was asking about here in this video is such a thrill. Thanks for posting! Amazing story.
Have to say though . . . That autopsy was brutal, and should not have been done like that to such an important corpse.
Truly enjoyed this very thorough documentary, autopsy, and identification of the preserved man. The way the Brits preserve ancient documents and letters from their history is so necessary.
CZcams algorithm blessed me last night by having this video pop up on my feed.
Has to be the best historical piece on a medieval tomb burial and the life of the Knight himself I've ever watched. The makers should be congratulated for this fascinating production.
I have long held a passion for our rich history especially since moving close to the historic village of Castle Hedingham, Essex.
Thanks for finding this!
I’ve been to st bees to start the c2c trail. St bees to robin hoods bay. Ive been in the church too!
Would they cut into these bodies today?? Or just X-rays etc???? And I can’t believe they opened in open air, outside 😳 My first thought was he would immediately start to decompose 😬 Loved this documentary
This shows how much archaeological and medical techniques and technology have advanced. These days they would probably sample the lead, resin, and cloth to determine origin and a rough date, do a full 3D CT scan, test blood and tissue samples to determine health etc. and take a DNA sample. Very little cutting of the body would be needed.
This was only 1981! A LOT of techniques now regularly used in police homicide investigations were starting to be available, and the great importance of collecting and storing samples for examination by possible future forensic techniques was being widely recognised.
Never heard this story before.
I can remember visiting the Museum in Whitehaven when I was a kid in 1983. They had video as well photos and details of the excavation and some horse hair found stuffed in his mouth if I remember correctly.
Spiffing well done most interesting thank you.
All of these videos have hooked me.
Comprehensive, entertaining, thought provoking. Well done ✅ Thank you.
How come I end up in the psych ward every time I dig up a grave?
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Naughty, naughty
😂😂😂
Because u got caught.
Could a DNA test be done to identify descendants alive today?
PCR techniques have advanced enough that it’s possible to extract DNA, especially if there are intact teeth left in the jawbone. I really hope they attempt it, this is such a fascinating story.
The teeth were intact. Along with many body parts. It's fascinating.
That was INCREDIBLY COOL!!!! Thank you for presenting this in such a fantastic way....
That was great. To think with our modern means of communication we can learn the story of a Knight of the Realm who lived, fought & died 700 years ago. Thank you to all involved.
I’d never heard about this before and stumbled on the documentary and loved every minute. A really amazing story!
What a fantastic look at history! Done with reverence and fortitude, many thanks.
Thanks for posting
A fall in armour wouldn't break ribs. Armour is no where near heavy enough and is too fitted in order to cause injury. It's likely Anthony De Lucy was struck off his horse and trampled on. Still a rivetting docco
Brilliant! Loved watching this
He is utterly beautiful. Just so fascinating & remarkable to be able to study this chap's life and death. Thank you for providing us modern blokes with all this knowledge, Mister Saint Bee's Man.
Wonderful work by all! Thank you so much 😊
I watched this documentary so many times, so fantastic, and interesting, thank you 👍
Thank you for this stunning presentation.
Absolutely fascinating
Was any DNA done? Would be fascinating to see if any relatives still live in St Bee
The technology didn't exist yet, this was 1981 and the first use of the proceedure was in 1986. Shame they didn't keep some samples though.
I just found this series. & Cannot get over!!!
Famtastic documentary, thanks!
Brilliant factual story.. well done and I enjoyed it fully.. much appreciated ✌✌
There once was a man from Saint Bees
Who was stung in the arm by a wasp
when asked "Does it Hurt?"
He replied "No it doesn't,
I'm so glad it wasn't a hornet.
Limeraiku? lol
You're not a poet,
And didn't know it.
@@Bolanboogie10 But your feet show it..
They sure are Longfellows.
What stunningly gorgeous scenery. What a wonderful show. Thank you
Absolutely fascinating!
I can't believe that the coffin would have been opened right there on the ground. We've come a long way. Was anything ever said about how flexible the tissues and bones were? The image of the neck being turned was unbelievable.
I love your content ! Each video a treasure !!! 🙏❤
There are some super clever people out there! Really enjoyed this! Well done to all concerned.
Thank you for this history.
has the feel of someone sent back from the crusades or some foreign campaign with the shroud and lead preserving the body, no? I'm only 12 minutes in but this would be my guess
ahahahah on reading the video description I find I am kind of half right ahahah
Medieval life i find it so interesting.
What an interesting history! I really enjoyed listening to the story.
This was a great documentary. No overpowering background music. Well narrated and fascinating.
Wonderful story , thank you so much for this .
So greatfull for this history. All the work, thank you.
Beautifully done! Thank you.
Fascinating story.
I live in Whitehaven just a couple of miles from St Bees i left school around the years his body was found and ive never heard anything about this man been found. I asked a mate who said he asa vague memory of this story. Everyone is this area adult and kids should know of this man and his story its unbelievable that its not very well known around West Cumbria
Thank you Ian for listening to your inner voice.
I don't recall hearing anything mentioned regarding the size of the body recovered but judging by what we see @10:46 it looks to be no bigger than five foot?
Those eyes!! You can actually see the irises !! Amazing
The detail about the smell when they opened the coffin lid explains what they mean in medieval accounts of opening the tombs of incorrupt saints and finding them filled with beautiful perfume, the "odor of sanctity"!
Amazing research. Thanks!
So enjoyed this!!
That was fascinating in a lot of ways
Amazing film.
Wonderful, thanks!
Great Documentary from so long ago!
Watching a lecture about this autopsy was how I met my husband-thanks for uploading!