The Danger Of Endorsements
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Let's talk about the danger of having and changing endorsements and why some artists change them in the first place!
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I feel the "outrage" comes from the marketing. Using your example of string companies, if you make a video saying, "Cleartone strings are the best strings I've ever used." Then you switch to Ernie Ball and make another video, "Ernie Ball strings are the best strings I've ever used." Then say, you switch to Dunlop, Stringjoy or whoever and make another video, "This company's strings are the best strings I've ever used." Me as a gear consumer who trusts your opinion, now I don't know what to think because you have said all of these are the best. So, I can see where some people feel lied to.
Totally valid point I agree
but what if up until you tried Ernie ball clear tone were literally the best you've ever used and then you stick with Ernie ball for 14 years and never try any thing else and you receive a new guitar that has d'addario strings and then you're like woah I'm blown away by these. that can literally happen though right? so those points are still valid?
Totally lied to. Or, to be fair "it's their job" so take some of their advice with a grain of salt. At this point, this community needs a few trusted channels trashing the products that are garbage. It's easier to trust the ones that save me time and money, the smaller channels that don't bend for money just yet. An even better idea, we the consumers should pay youtubers to review these products. Full transparency with full pay.
@@YTisGay that would be cool to be fair. Depends how much someone changes their opinion I guess
I get it. I'm not even an "artist", but tastes change. I love D'Addario strings, but found a slightly different gauge range readily more available on a different brand that I preferred out there. I was also always a Dimarzio fan but found some Duncan's that work as well or better for me. Use what makes you happy. Period.
It’s honestly a bit insane how worked up people get over the gear we use. The quantity of people upset in the comments that I was ditching my Apollo and going back to Avid HD interfaces was shocking. And it’s just like you said, it’s just what I need at this point in my career. It has nothing to do with anyone else.
Colt! Love your channel dude. Hope the atmos rig video drops soon 👍
Seymour Duncan invaders rule
Its because they feel financially invested, bc they bought said product based of videos and when you change they get butt hurt and act like oh bro youre a turncoat blah blah. And tbh, the ppl complaining about this type of thing have no idea how the industry works as we know you can be sponsored or endorsed but still want to play what you wanna play ie what sounds best for the job type of thing.
Some endorsed artists lay it on thick with “this is the best piece of gear”. So when they switch and act like its no big deal it looks strange
Haha people freaking out about something that has absolutely NO effect on their lives? Play whatever you play. Make yourself happy & rock faces off! 🤘🤘
I generally don’t like criticism of musicians for sponsorships or anything commercial. The economics of the business are so bad now that any assistance is important to keep music going.
Bunch of bed room musicians in the comments upset about endorsements?
Wild.
But that’s what fluff mainly is in a kind of way outside of his limited touring experiences. I’m not to say who deserves endorsements or not because I’d certainly love to but it is crazy to see the caliber of enticements he has gotten and continues to get.
I like these vids good mixup from the usual gear demo ect
Yes, I love scam ads for Better Health.
Spoiler, all big brand manufacturers are shilling to CZcamsrs. As with any business agreement, one party thinks they are worth more or less. Those parties either agree, or both manufacturer and CZcams guy move forward. At no point did qualify or performance matter. It’s about free, exposure, and ultimately greed.
I respect this straight talk.
Thanks for keeping on and pushing through with people who apparently have nothing better to do than whine about your pickups or reviews or ad partners.
Again, respect for doing your thing.
People get mad because they bought your stuff for the wrong reasons and now they have to go buy it again. That's what it comes down to.
My change tastes all the time too man
Thanks for explaining this Fluff. I really appreciate how honest and down to earth you are, I like your perspective on things a lot.
I was more surprised that you switched to passive pickups than companies, but needing a variety of sounds for recording and producing makes a lot of sense. Also the JB is maybe the greatest pickup of all time.
“Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakes. The sleeper must awaken.”
-Frank Herbert
Great man. Love the honest, down to earth approach you have in your videos. All cool man!
Funny how people still think the music industry is lead by money…
I always ask them the same question: when’s the last time you spent money towards an artist? Anything? Albums ? T-shirts? Stickers?
They all answer the same : it’s probably been 10/15 years…
So where is that money coming from?
😮
Keep in mind any hate that comes from endorsement most likely comes from unsponsored channels. It’s just jealousy. Keep on rocking man. Love the channel
Makes sense to me, artist tastes change. 10 years is plenty
The danger of endorsements: this entire channel
and the comment section
@@RiffsAndBeards and the comments of comments.
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Lots of folks are taking exception with this ad. Not only is it a way of getting paid, but you’re advocating for people to take care of themselves and providing an option. I respect what you’re doing man.
You don't understand basic patient-doctor/therapist confidentiality. Do you? The cause is appreciated but not the "brand".
@@ravikant840 I understand it very well. I was a medic in the Air Force. He’s not demanding people go pay them money. He’s giving them an option. Research should be done by the person beforehand, but it’s still up to them to choose whether to use it or not.
This answered a lot of questions. Thank you, Fluff. Do you still have a set of your old Beard Comber pickups some where? might be cool to revisit those...
These deep dive talks like the beard files you used to do are so good dude. Channel has been on fire lately.
Makes sens, nit sure why people get riled up about this. On another note, while I understand the need for sponsorships please stop with better help, they are a scummy company selling very very sensible data about patients.
U don't know why people are upset!! They spent money on ur pickups. Now they think u feel u don't need them. Now they feel they need to buy ur new pickups to keep up with. Back in the day it was called " Keepn up with the Jones"
Very well said.
I don’t give a shit what your endorsements are or were. I dig your channel and love the content and perspective brother! Keep the videos coming because over the years you’ve provided me with tons of inspiration that nobody else on CZcams has!
My change tastes all the time too!
thank you for addressing this :)
Honestly never understood the hype about Fishman, the voices barely have a difference to them especially in the Fluence Moderns.
Just further proves why he liked them and why he switched. I think making a video on the switch definitely helped.
Another great example is Mark Morton switching from Jackson Signature models, to Gibson.
Its basically being a sales rep but trying to not come across as a sales rep.
Im all for getting as much free stuff as you can from any big name firm so its good stuff ;)
Makes total sense thanks fluff
What’s amazing is that someone’s identity can be threatened by a CZcamsr using different pickups
Come on Fluff, Glen has already said pickups make no difference. Lol.
Screamed it, in fact.
Wrongly, so. I find pickups make a huge difference in how the instrument plays/my playing translates out to the world.
Not no difference, just not enough to care about. The differences are barely noticeable isolated, and indistinguishable in recording or live contexts - where people will actually hear your guitar.
@@MichaelSheaAudio I know what he said. And he’s wrong.
@@JasonMaynard36oh, well then you're gonna hate the video I'm working on. 😊
Its funny how people go to the "latest and greatest" and eventually goes back to the tried and true.
THE craziest thing I remember with artist change was EVH moving from Kramer to Music Man (blew my 13-year-old mind) .....and then to Peavey.
I don't think I was upset at the time though.
Like you said, Fluff, at some point you need a change.
I remember when I decided that I was tired of playing Boogies after about 10 years and started buying Marshalls 8 and 900s..... then after about 10 years, because I wasn't playing out as much and after weeding down the herd, traded my last Marshall for a Super Reverb.... then decided to buy a Soldano after several years because I needed to scratch that itch. Change is good.
I have switched between Duncans, DiMarzios, and EMGs so many times through the years. Not that one was better than the other. Just what fit my needs and taste at the time. Great vid as always sir. Cheers.
***never endorsements, just a gear nerd chasing tone
Pickup variety is important! That’s what I build new guitars to try out new types of pickups
The only bummer about someone jumping brands, is that there might be a void in gear if you ever need to replace a specific part that was once a signature artist's product. Having said that, the consumer can make no demand for a musician to stay with a brand on some sort of principle. I have a couple of signature guitars that have since been updated/replaced by the manufacturer, or the artist left the brand. I didn't yell at the musicians for the change. And honestly, I didn't buy the guitars because of who played them. I bought them for their features.
One minute you love one thing.. then another thing… ooh wait there’s this.. I must have it! Needs and demands change. What I needed at 19 is different from what I need at 36. Not sure the why people freak out with change when they themselves change things incrementally through time themselves in all aspects of life.
Great video Fluff as always. Can’t wait to see more content with SD products.
Business relationship means money.
I remember when you had your signature fastback old imperial beard comber pickups. I actually bought a set and I still have them in one of my guitars. They still sound great! With that being said, one thing I think would be really interesting to see is a comparison between those, your signature fishmans, and whatever pickups you’re playing now with Seymour Duncan. It would really be a good showcase of how your taste has changed over the years.
Great idea making a video on the topic. Should greatly serve as a palate cleanser for anyone who was left with a bad taste in their mouth after the switch. 👍
Are you going to demo specific SD pickups you play?
"Our change tastes all the time." -Ryan 9:22
I think some of the reason is because people may like a particular product themselves and when their favorite artists (sometimes even the ones that introduced them to that product) leave a company they suddenly feel like their stuff is less “credible” or great etc. I’m a huge fan of Mayones guitars. I would be lying if I said it didn’t cut a little deep when both John Browne and Aaron Marshall left for Schecter. I totally get it, but some of this is people feeling like you are on their “team” or not in validating their purchases/opinions
I'm really interested in trying to convert my Schechter km 7 from active to passive. I didn't mind the signature set to begin with but lately I've found they have to much output which is overdoing things on the front end (requiring tweaking from all of my settings which I used for multiple other guitars) I just don't know where to start so many brands with so many big promises. I've heard good things about many 😅
I was torn on responding, but I do feel that I have some skin in the game on this. I was someone who reached out to EBMM when the first Stingray RS was shown and was told no. The “adult” Tom Delonge guitar had a ton of appeal. When the signature model was released I decided to purchase an aqua sparkle. First, it was listed as shipping within a timeframe but came a good bit later, not a huge deal but with the circumstances I was in, it was a bit of a let down as I had to use Affirm. It’s a fabulous guitar and the single cool tones are to die for, very surprising. I’m very happy with the purchase and it’s close to a personal signature I’d make. I did purchase it because of the exposure to the channel, but ultimately I only got it because it was a Stingray RS. When the Seymour Duncan announcement came out it did hit harder than my rational mind should let it. A artist could switch brands entirely, but this one happening so soon gives a bit of a sour taste. It doesn’t change the fact that my guitar sounds great, but it’s no longer what it was when I purchased it.
My band is endorsed by a guitar company. It's a dream come true and they treat us like rock stars - when really we're average scum - we get to use new gear they bring out and road test them, however, because we don't own them, there's always this anxiety of fucking them up whilst playing or travelling. It's like borrowing your friends guitar, you constantly worry that you're going to ding it up. Which, is why the guitars we borrow are usually spare guitars and we'll use our own purchased guitars of the same brand as main guitars, so we don't care about fucking them up. That's just my experience as an endorsed musician :)
9:23 "Our change taste all of the time."
My change tasted just last week. He’s spot on.
Fluff, you are a class act brother!
My guitars have various pickups. From Seymour Duncan to EMG to Tom Anderson to Kent Armstrong.
“variety” = great tonal variation
I have never cared when someone changes endorsements. Do what is best for you man. That said, thanks for bringing us into your headspace on this.
Kinda sad you have to justify and explain your switch. Great to see you’re happy with the change and have this new opportunity to explore more flavors! The community 🤦♂️
Ya, I like Duncan and Lundrigan and Bare Knuckle right now. I’ve tried a few sets of Fisherman Pickups, the Devin set is super Heavy!
I feel like the only reason someone would get upset is they're like "oh x youtuber/guitarist/whatever uses this so i have to use this because they're my favorite" and they form this really, really weird and almost creepy parasocial relationship by owning that same product. and they wig out because the person they're idolizing left that scene on grounds which the angry person in question formed that parasocial relationship and it feels like a break up. that's honestly the only thing i can think of.
I use a lot of different gear and none of it because it's what my favorite guitarists use, in fact none of it is what my favorite guitarists use (to my knowledge). wild that people would be angry over a change of pace. more commonly it happens when bands change their sound, if you like the band, if they're happy making the music they're making and you still like them as a band, support them.
end rant, either way i hope SD treats you well! maybe you'll land a signature model there and we can get some cool videos out of!
Can’t wait to see what you do with SD. Also, can you finally do that shoutout w/ the Saturday Night Specials and Pearly Gates???
As a fan of passive pickups. I look forward to more pickup demos.
Also, the pizza metaphore is a great comparison.
I think anyone who gets upset about an artist switching pickups, guitars or basses for example, is mad because they choose their gear to match. I use Seymour Duncan JBs because Mick Mars once used them, I was after a similar sound. He has since changed his pickups but I know what I like, so I’m sticking with the JB. It’s that simple!
The same people who get bent out of shape about that may end up changing their own gear down the road, who knows?
This channel for many many years primarily consisted of pickup demos (yes, I've been watching for that long, I am 30 years old currently), so no grievances here! Likewise, sometimes it's nice to change things up.
People change and evolve, taste in something changes, fashion changes, this goddamn planet changes! You just go on bro, congrats on joining Seymour Duncan!
"as guitarists, our change tastes all the time"
The most universal change: You just recently entered your early 30’s and you can’t explain why you are addicted to telecasters and have a huge love overnight.
There are so many wonderful guitars and gear that you can find all around the world. It would be crazy to not try this things.
Appreciate the insight! The reality for the vast majority of pro musicians they aren't making tens of millions of dollars...they have to hustle and get endorsements to be able to keep making a living playing music without a day job. So long as the artist isn't disingenuous and endorsing purely for the money, why would fans care?
Another question is at which point do you actually NEED an endorsement.
Twice now, I have toyed with the idea of getting an endorsement, but both times, it never seemed important enough to bother actually DOING. As a minimalist, I already have what I NEED, and that is what I tour with.
So, at what point do you actually genuinely NEED that endorsement? What criteria do you need to meet to require you to actually NEED more than what you already have?
(Genuine question.)
I get it, variety is the spice of life.
I don’t think any 2 of all the guitars I have, have the same pickups… generally if I need a certain sound, I reach for that guitar.. so yeah.. I get it. 👍
We'd all accept free quality gear! I do it regularly with plugins. My gut feeling though is that switching sig gear in particular a lot, just feels a bit ADD and indecisive.
Got burned too bad on the last talk video you turned the comments off? 😅 cmon now, harsh truth is what you need sometimes
lol harsh truth
What about artists that have multiple endorsements on many similar products? Is that a thing?
Not knocking you for endorsing products, or knocking you whatsoever more so the audience. Use what works for you. The major brands of guitars, pickups, strings, picks, amps, whatever all make great products now and as long as you can get the sounds you want with the gear there is nothing wrong with it.
The artist endorses the product, not the other way around. The manufacturer may compensate or sponsor the artist in a variety of ways: free products, direct compensation, ad buys, etc. As you say it is a two way street.
At the core of the relationship is the artist’s equity as a recognizable name. The artist is endorsing the use of the product, leveraging their name equity to convince others to buy the product. The manufacturer does not endorse the artist. The manufacturer compensates the artist for their endorsement.
Passive pickups are better than active ones is what I took away from this.
Just kidding, but wondering if this means you and Ernie Ball will work together on another signature with Duncans? I love the HS layout of your model I just personally don't like having batteries in my guitar.
Great video!
9:23 "Our change taste all the time!" And so does our language 😅
The danger of taking ad money from a company who sold PHI to Facebook.
The thing is its great for the artist of band. Free stuff in exchange for promotion of their product by using it. But the problem at least for me is its hard depending on the person to trust what they say about the things they endorse because youre thinking always that "of course theyre gonna say its great because theyre endorsed".
That being said theres fanboys of everything so if you switch or say something negative about the company they like they lose their minds.
One person I trust on their endorsement deals is Nita Strauss. Yes she's endorsed by these companies but she's such a genuine person that I believe what she says. I actually got some nyxl strings because of her video on them.
At the end of the day, aside from being an artist, they are people too. People change, needs change, and new things come out all the time. A changing opinion or a changing need does not negate any previous or current statements about the “old” products. People and products evolve. At the end of the day, artists have to stay true to themselves above all else. Just my nickel’s worth of opinion.
I still use cleartone ioer ernie ball, but no hate my dude. Your needs and preferences change. And at the end of the day we have different prescriptions and different biases. Plus as you've said sometimes you just want something different, especially in a studio environment
I dont get why people are upset. I own lots of gear, and I can honestly say that my favorite guitar of my many rotates depending on the type of music I am playing, the tones I am looking for, or even just how it feels in my hand in THAT MOMENT.
Honestly man, just do what you need to for you and yours. 🤘
My uncle had over 30 endorsements as a drummer 🥁 got signature sticks, cymbals, pads, drums etc He does rock star fantasy camp. He stays 1 room away from me and we eat Belgian waffles together lol 3 Grammy awards
All the butt hurt people saying they are going to leave the channel due to the BetterHelp content.... i wish more content creators would talk about mental health. Take the stigma out out it. Its a crazy time for everyone right now, people need to know they arent alone with their feelings.
Go listen to the RiffHard podcasts and get a better idea of how many big names are human and have to work on mental health.
Fishman thinks you are no longer an interest to them. That's the truth I think.
Happens all the time. So what. Dime and Washburn to Dime and Dean..Dime and Randall to Dime and Krank. Oh man....why did I sell it...Just thought about my Washburn Culprit...I bought it new back in the day....That is one guitar I regret selling.
Tastes change I don’t see the big deal here,we would all only buy one guitar and one amp if our tastes stayed the same.Sometimes a change is good for you especially when relationships with brands change when staff change.
I like about 20 different pickups 👍
I know enough about the industry to just assume that artists switch brands usually because they want change or whoever they mostly communicated with at whatever brand left that job. What kinda annoys me is the lack of transparency and honesty. For a lot of people it seems very sudden, one day your playing x brand, the next your playing y brand. Behind the scenes it's been happening for awhile, but for us normies it appears very sudden
It is so weird hearing CZcamsrs say, 'i'm a 'so and so' artist'..when they were only sent a couple of free pickups.
a masterclass in controlling the narrative right here.
Don't take this one down as well, ok? Keep the conversation going 👍
After 10 years my first wife left me. I thought all these changes are happening I’m going to make a change I want. I’ve never done drywall since.
I remember reading the comments on the SD video and was really disappointed. A lot of nasty shit being said because a guy switched brands. I appreciate this video and discussion on your perspective, Fluff. FWIW, I think having access to SDs vast line of pickups would make way more sense for a studio guy. I will say, though, that I’m hoping to see a Fluff signature passive based on a tweaked JB or Invader (perhaps lower output as you’ve said you like the invader far away from the strings) and/or a fluff signature active take on the blackouts. Keep doin you, man!
What about your poor Fastback BeardComber pickups? You can't forget about them, they are still great pickups!
I sit here watching this wearing that exact same knocked loose shirt 😂
SD makes a great product. So does Fishman. EMGs are great too.
‘Variety’ is good, and I really like passive pickups! Just knocked 14 minutes off your video, lol.
Now Fluff can have all the free Dimebuckers he needs!!!
Everyone has bills. No judgment.
"My change taste all the time"
‘My time tastes like change all the time’
People out there really making commitments they dont need to be making
Hey dude you are a rock star