2019 Ford Ranger First Impressions; What Happens to Our Cars After Testing | Talking Cars
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- We just took delivery of our very own 2019 Ford Ranger, and give our first impressions of what it’s like to drive this resurrected small pickup truck. We answer audience questions about the AWD system in the Toyota RAV4 hybrid, if an electric is the right choice for a snowy, mountainous climate, and what to do about a car’s safety sensors that get obstructed by snow, salt, and ice. Finally, ever wonder what happens to CR’s cars once the final test is complete? We go behind the scenes and tell you how testing continues, even after a vehicle leaves the test track for the final time.
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:26 - what we do with our cars when testing is complete
6:15 - 2019 Ford Ranger
9:31 - Tesla Model 3 reliability
14:00 - Question #1: How does an all-wheel drive system work in a hybrid?
18:42 - Question #2: should I buy an electric vehicle in a cold, snowy climate?
22:37 - reliability of advanced safety sensors in wintry conditions
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I believe you are mistaken about the AWD in the RAV4 hybrid. There is no way to normally deplete the 245 volt battery while driving the car so that the AWD doesn't work. The battery is primarily charged by the motor generator #1 working off the gas engine, and secondarily by the regenerative braking. If the 245 volt battery starts to be depleted, and AWD needs to kick in, the motor will start and the motor generator #1 will provide current to the battery and the motor in the rear of the vehicle. I have owned a 2017 RAV4 hybrid for the past 18 months, and normally when driving long distances the battery maintains a high level of charge, you don't have to be braking all the time in order to charge it.
I was wondering how they missed this! They are three persons there and none of them knew this? Jesus christ that is weak.
To the lady who asked about the Rav4 Hybrid 4WD system.
I have a 17 Rav4 Hybrid, and the system does not allow the hybrid battery to drain completely (in the video you said the battery only get charged while brake is applied. That is incorrect. The hybrid battery get its charge from the gasoline engine running, wheels spinning and braking). The gasoline engine will come on, when the hybrid battery is down to 20%. So you will always have 4WD. That being said, the 4WD system can only operate up to 30 or 40 km/hr (can't remember the exact number).
While the fuel economy is amazing on the Rav4 Hybrid, if you are worried about having no 4WD at high speed, you are better off with a 4WD system that works at any situation.
Sounds like if the Hybrid AWD shuts off at speeds and only the battery is used in reverse is a receipe for disaster if you are worried about getting stuck in the snow with a newborn.
I think that RAV4 would do the job just fine, but CR didn’t even mention why she asked about the Rogue. If I’m not mistaken - Rogue Hybrid AWD, does run a typical mechanical connection to the rear axel. The more I watch , the more I see that Subaru is the answer to every problem for CR.
I have bought a Subaru recently(after heard so much good from CR) and sold it pretty quick(
This brings me back to when the Prius was new and the Volt was new. There were so many questions about the systems that having no answer was the answer. Its been since 1998 that hybrids have been on the road(Toyota). I put that Toyota there cause the RAV4 is a Toyota. Anyway, Nickolas is right. Once the battery system approaches depletion, the combustion engine which does not quit, will become the motorgenerator to provide energy for battery storage. Lady, you will always have power for the AWD. Lastly, if the snow is so deep that you can't maintain 35mph, you should slow down. Nobody even in a 4WD vehicle is going to do 35mph in 4-5 inches of snow.
Bogdan Bogdanov what were your issues with your Subaru’s? And exactly which cars did you have?
Out of curiousity, what were the issues with the Subarus you had?@@bogich12
The traction battery in any Toyota Hybrid (RAV 4, Highlander, Camry, Avalon) does not deplete to 0 as you have implied. The vehicle has a starter/generator that charges the battery as necessary. Yes the traction battery can get low, but the system will automatically recharge it even if you are not getting regenerative braking. The bigger problem is that when you get “stuck”, the traction control won’t let you spin the wheels at all. I have a 2008 Highlander Hybrid, no problems on the highway in snow (Northern Minnesota), but you can get stuck at low speed.
Plus the battery of the hybrid is used for reversing. The rear battery power wheels shut off at a low speed and she may need rear traction at a higher speed.
Best to avoid RAV4 hybrid and Highlander hybrid if you want true awd.
One of the biggest weaknesses of Consumer Reports truck testing is that they only drive them around town and then criticize the truck because it doesn't drive like a car. I never see them do actual testing with 1000 pounds of load in the bed and see how it handles and drives. Leaf spring trucks will always feel "bouncy" without a load in them. Some ride better than others. Part of the reason the new Ram ( a nice truck by the way), rides better is because it has coil springs with air shocks. This gives it a good "car like" ride which CR likes but at the cost of load carrying capacity. They also never do trailer towing with, say a 6000 lb trailer. If they really want to do a real truck test they should take the trucks out to the West and do towing up mountainous highways.
On another note, their comment about the transmission shifting somewhat oddly, I found that to be true on the Ford F250 that I own. It "learns" over the first few thousand miles and then shifts quite smoothly. Same thing with our Edge, again took 2000 miles and then shifts like a charm. Not sure why Ford does it that way, but in the end you have a transmission that shifts well. By the way, the 10 speed transmission was co-developed with GM as is the new 9 speed at GM and the 8 speed at Ford (Ford opted to drop one of the gears seeing no benefit to the extra gear).
Really great question about the 2019 RAV4 Hybrid. Very refreshing to hear an intelligent question.
Not really AWD system like a machincal awd. Plus it is battery only when in reverse.
Avoid the RAV4 Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid if you need security of AWD to haul your new born around
No for a typical road those electronic hybrid awd are fantastic, I have he hybrid Highlander and it’s so stable and the electric rear end kicks in faster than mechanical, I don’t know why they’re taking it down.
Shocked how badly you guys blew the RAV4 hybrid question. I thought you understood the tech better!
If you live in the city these midsize pickups make perfect sense. Parking slots in every lot are tiny. To that, add gridlock which in turn will affect your fuel economy. Also, these trucks do fit in a regular size garage and that's huge in the winter. Nothing worse than cleaning snow and ice off of a gargantuan truck!
Good points but why are garages so darn small?
there isn't a huge difference in length, its mostly just a difference in width.
Unless the owner is going into the snow plowing business, the RAV4 Hybrid with 4 Michelin X-Ice winter tires will be just fine for Canadian winters. As an added bonus, the RAV4 Hybrid will save a fortune in gasoline costs over the life of the vehicle. #Buck20ALitre
Avoid the RAV4 Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid if you need security of AWD to haul your new born around.
2:06 "Irregardless"....argh...sorry, pet peeve...
What auction can I go to to purchase a consumer reports test vehicle?
what does it mean that toyota hybrids use only battery in reverse ?
Does it mean that the ICE won't start while reversing, and it will act as a rear wheel drive car(where rear is powered by the traction battery) ? And, how about when the car is stuck(and you have low battery) and it needs power in all wheels to manoeuvre front and back ?
Not agree with the hybrid rav4 answer. In Toyota (and others) hybrid system the engine will act as a generator when batteries run low and charge them. It should never run out of battery so the rear motor should never lose power. You may lose the gas saving benefit in that situation but not lose the AWD ability.
Should never..should never...better off with mechanical awd and no Hybrid.
avoid the RAV4 Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid if you need security of AWD to haul your new born around
The 2019 Ford Ranger is a mini F-150. That's half the truck for 9/10 the money.
Rea Ality Not if you compare the base models. Ranger is still significantly cheaper, if you compare a FX4 Ranger to a 2019 FX4 F-150. Plus, not everyone needs a massive truck.
@@ZillennialJ I agree, and I don't know which truck everyone is buying. I got exactly the trim ranger I wanted for $36k. (XLT , 4x4, red , chrome pkg, ford sync 3, drop in liner)
Plus compare that price to the Tacoma and the Tacoma is more expensive. Unless you get it's weak ass 4 cylinder with base trim.
That is a lot of flannel. 😁. Love the show guys!!
It is winter!
How long do you keep cars and how do you feel them?
Well, I learned something new today... I had no idea that some of the AWD hybrid drivetrains used only electric motors in the rear. Thanks for that information!
And Toyota is battery only in reverse unless the engine is already running.
Shame on CR for talking out of rear end with misinformation about EVs in winter and RAV4 hybrid system operation. Do your research, CR, and stop providing biased and unsubstantiated opinion when you are supposed to have expert knowledge.
What's really nice about the 2019 Ranger is that you get that same turbo EcoBoost engine no matter which trim you buy. Because of that, I would be fine with buying a very basic SuperCab XL Ranger for $25k (or less depending on dealer incentives). I wouldn't be penalized in a sense with a weak engine for buying a cheaper trim like I was when I bought my base 2008 Tacoma.
Is it my imagination or is the new Ranger closer in size to, say, a 8th gen F150 than to the old Ranger? Maybe the smaller Transit is taking the role of a compact pick-up truck for light hauling.
HereIgoAgain, wait till you hear that there are rumors Ford is already designing a (next generation) Transit Connect / Escape-based FWD (truly small) pickup (sounds more like for '22 or '23 MY, after those others get a new platform) that would go exactly right there. That's a whole lot of time to wait for, but it seems someone is listening.
There's also a Hyundai small Tucson-based pickup (Santa Cruz) almost waiting for Job 1 (still not clear if the Korean suits have already greenlighted already that one...).
Also the 2G Colorado / Canyon is pretty much the same size as the late '80s C / K fullsized Chevy and GMC LD trucks, so the size comparison between that older F-150 and today's Ranger is not that far off.
I believe the new Ranger is only about 2 inches wider than the old one but it is longer.
Flannel? I guess they are feeling a little butch this morning. Regardless.
I appreciate these three reviewers conversation flows smoothly, no constant interruption or excess of words.
Plaid rules!!
Flannel is in during Polar Vortec in the NE.
Props for upsaling the stick
Rogue hybrid awd is a traditional set up not like rav4. Also, batteries do not deplete if the car is moving, not just regen.
@23:30 last question.
Why oh why did toyota move their sensors to the front bumper (grill) on the Corollas. Ice will keep this blocked for most of the winter.
I love Subarus (and a select few others) that have the cruise control in the windshield, the wipers keep it cleaned.
Question - Does AWD drive cars (both hybrid and non hybrid) function as FWD cars on highway? AWD kicks in only when you have your foot on gas and the car detect slip or hard cornering/acceleration. When your foot is off the gas pedal it will not function as an AWD system since there is no power? (question). Much appreciate if anyone can explain. Thanks much..
Really depends on the specific vehicle and system. Some are "Full time" AWD others like the one that detects slippage and kicks on will be "On Demand". Finally, some manufacturers systems are really sophisticated, Acura's SH-AWD (Super Handling) is incredible! It's not just AWD but a torque vectoring system.
The short answer is yes. From what I understand, most 4WD vehicles work the way you described - only sending power to the rear wheels (usually up to 50%) when they need the grip. To save fuel.
I am not sure if this is still the case, but I think Subaru'a system send 10% of the power to the rear wheels at all times.
Some systems, like the new M5's can send 100% of the power to the rear.
Subaru’s AWD is full time always on.
monzx3 Thanks for the info. Should find more how they work and love the videos how sh-AWD works. All the tests on CZcams for iVTM4 & SH-AWD I see they have to apply gas to send power. Really wish there is info how they work when the vehicle slips and driver ease on the gas as normal drivers do. I hope on a torque vectoring AWD won’t brake the tire slipping as it would make things worse and get over steer.
I also read that unlike other AWD systems the symmetrical AWD system is a full time AWD right?
@@IamGroot786 most front wheel drive based systems are slip-n-grip type that send power to the rear when needed. Not sure on the Toyita Hybrid but they shut off at about 40 mph.
A mechanical system may shut off at higherr speeds when usually not needed but at least can turn back on if needed above 40 mph.
Unlike Acura SH-AWD, GM Twin Clutch AWD can send power to a single wheel while the other three slip. Acura can send 70% of torque to the rear and Twin can send up to 60% to the rear. Acura SH-AWD can get stuck on flat rollers as it cannot send enough torque to the front in one test.
I don't think there was anything about Model 3's reliability at 9:31.
Nonsense, draining the battery. Engine will always prevent that from happening. Trust me. I own one.
In 5 years when the honeymoon phase comes to an end for the new, Detroit 3 mid-size pickups, the Toyota Tacoma/Toluca will still be Number 1. #SavePlaid
I guess you missed this updated comparison:
www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/colorado/2019/chevrolet-colorado-ford-ranger-honda-ridgeline-toyota-tacoma-comparison/
The GM truck and Ford Ranger is that they will eventually price themselves out of their segment again. It is what happened before. I don't know if it is the greed of the buyer for more or the greed of the manufacturer. Those fancy LCD screens and tailgates and headlights will eventually lead to it.
@@derrickmedina2449 Really? Toyota wants $42k+ for a Tacoma TRD Pro. They did so little to the 2016+ TRD Pro and yet it was $7000+ more expensive than the 2nd gen Tacoma TRD Pro. In reality, the GM twins and the Ranger are priced right in line with what Toyota demands for a Tacoma. Plus the quality control of the 3rd gen Tacoma is horrifically bad. Transmission issues, howling rear differentials, the 3.5 V6 is buzzy and feels like it's about to stall when taking off from a stop, the cloth seats pill way too easy, ABS module issues, misaligned bumpers, fuel pump failures, etc. Plus Toyota knew there were design issues with the 2nd gen and they decided to do nothing about them when they carried them over to the 3rd gen -- the infamous clutch pedal squeak, front diff vibration due to the use of needle bearings, the windshield whistle, hood flutter, etc.
Okay, so as someone with a car that has all the advanced safety tech... If you're relying on this at all in inclement weather you're insane. I trust Subaru Eyesight, but these systems aren't built to take road conditions into account, and they already typically brake very late as a final resort as it is. AEB isn't going to save you on snowy, icy, or heavily rained on roads. As for Self-driving cars, eventually this logic will have to be built into the programming, but we are FAR from being ready for that. They're going to have to make the cars weather aware, and make them able to communicate with each-other.
Don't rely on your cars brand emblem being your front radar sensor. Read your owners manual, ask your dealer, or look at the car from the front, it's usually quite obvious where these sensors are if they aren't in the emblem itself. The accord is down in the lower grille, as the square shaped spot blocking the radiator. Unfortunately these spots are highly prone to accumulating slush and road grime. Invest in a (no touch) car wash membership, and wash your car regularly. These systems ALSO have interior temperature constraints, mine disabled when the interior was extremely cold, until the interior of the car had warmed up.
The Honda/Acura safety systems shut off with a drop of water. Best to leave driving to the humans.
You guys appear to be using a Rode NT1-A microphone. If you are using the Rode, you should know that it is a "side address" microphone and you seem to be speaking into the top of the microphone, not the side. Tilting the mic back at about 45 deg. and moving it closer will let the sensor pickup speech better. I must say that your sound seems a bit muffled and lacking high frequencies.
Really liked hearing your guys impressions. Great info
A traditionally mounted drivetrain with a limited slip differential should be readily available in mid and full-size sedan not just mustang challenger and Camaro... . I would be signing out a challenger or Camaro or Mustang long before a Nissan Altima.
I believe that winter tires are mandatory in Canada.
Sadly, they are only mandatory is some provinces while others make it an option.
If you screwed up the AWD Hybrid question, why don't you acknowledge that? Your silence and lack of clarification sounds an arrogant tone.
The midsize crew cab trucks are vehicles of compromise
Great job this week.I le in Canada. Got a 4 WD wit snow tires. No problem....
Oui.
Quincy didnt get the plaid memo
"Irregardless" it should not detract from his opinions. 😂
Flannel is in if you are in the NE right now. Instead we have to look at his John Denver glasses.
well i do agree with discounts on the big trucks and the more comfort on top and power and space for not a lot more or sometimes even the same $$. A new Ram 1500 Big horn loaded with heated seats/push button start heated steering wheel/ 4x4 off road and v8 crew cab with about same fuel economy as these and 8 in with nav that msrp at 53k and can get 11k off and buy it for 42k it is the way to go logically. That said for me i do not tow more than 3k at most and just wife and I and the smaller truck is so much better for parking in city and in garage at home and just on city streets that are narrow. Plus everything handy in arms reach of driver and just fits us perfect. But id say it is about 5k less on small truck usually with the discounts off them but they have less amount they discount. As far as Ranger i also liked it when i test drove it for comfortable seats and found the steering and body lean and roll not good and was bouncy about like the Tacoma. Tacoma seating position and comfort is bad and i cant handle it but hopefully the 10 way power driver seat in 2020 will make it better for to me it still the nicest of the midsized trucks but they are all good for what they are
I thought this video was suppose to be about the Ranger
I think you guys are wrong about how hybrid systems work. You should provide some proof to support your claim (because it makes no sense), or issue an apology to Toyota in the next episode. This kind of false information could spread and hurt the sale of all hybrids, which would be unfortunate.
I agree and several people have corrected them in the Comments section.
It's a battle of plaid.
and the winner is the GTI
How about a diesel AWD SUV as an alternative to hybrid? You get a mechanical AWD system and diesel efficiency. Bmw, M-B and GM offer diesel SUV's. Why is diesel not on the radar for CR, not all of them are VW.
A Ford Ranger for $40,000?! WTF?!
They will offer plenty of rebates.
Look how much a Tacoma is. The price is fair for the market
Southern Nevada offroading and back country yeah but the Tacoma will last you 300k trouble free miles
A F-150 FOR 86,000..WTF..LOL
What happened to Tesla reliability? It ain't there.
Mass production
The Rav4 hybrid would be fine in the snow... Im sure the engineers at Toyota have the AWD system covered this time...But if you truly are in a pickle you can just push the throttle in park or neutral for a bit to charge the battery.
The Toyota hybrid systems shut off at higher speeds and there will be no rear traction. Plus reverse is battery only so the chance of getting stuck with a low battery might be higher.
Can we put ryan in a muscle fitted white tee?
fantastic reporting small ford truck for 40k give me a model 3 with a trailer
I don't want anybody's turbo
Rarely do I see CR provide bad information. This rav4 hybrid question is answered horribly wrong. Please correct in your next video.
Seems as though your making excuses for Toyota's pourly designed hybrid AWD sytem? I absolutely laughed when they called the Prius AWD systwm AWD they need a different term it is false advertising!
1:16 I'm so jealous right now. But the scientist in me has a question, how do you keep from having tainted opinions before you all of you take the car home? Is there a rule that no one car talk about a car until after they have driven it?
I suppose a true mid-sized pick up will never exist again.
Cold is not the enemy of batteries, heat is. Saying that is misleading. Yes, you lose range, but it doesn't harm the battery. I've had a RWD EV (with winter tires) in Northern NH for 3 winters and have never once had a problem. And we've lost exactly zero of our battery's capacity.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the bigger problem with the i3, which is the lack of tire options. There is only one winter tire choice (and only one all season, I think). It's the biggest reason I haven't bought one for myself.
Very true, I have never lost a battery in the cold. Heat is the killer of batteries well as electronics.
I'm I the only person concerned about safety and reliability on the Ranger?
Yes... That platform has been around since 2011 worldwide with a very reliable and safe record. I myself am more concerned with drivers that can't lay down their cell phone for 5 seconds...
0:05 al-so
Someone tell that lady looking for a hybrid suv to look at diesel SUVs
Diesel fuel is nearly the first thing that distills off of crude oil at the refinery. At that instance, there are still so many impurities that lead to all of the soot that normally comes out of the exhaust pipe of a diesel automobile. This is also the reason why diesel will combust at a lesser compression than gasoline(no sparkplugs required, just adequate temperature). However, here in North America it is so much more expensive than normal fuel. The polyesters or plastics are actually boiled off after( requiring a higher temp) diesel. You are only given the impression that it is cleaner because you get more mpg out of it.
Rav4 hybrid lady needs a Subaru. All time AWD. Never without it.
Subaru is also CRs #1 manufacturer in predicted reliability this year. Remember though, AWD only helps you get going. It does nothing for stopping, snow tires should still be used in heavy snow areas.
Subaru should also be mentioned as one of the most recalled vehicles the last few years based on percentage sold.
Plus at the 3-year mark not even J.D. Power has them on the Top 10 list.
How tall is Ryan? So many "I don't fit" comments on vehicles. At the table, he doesn't look any bigger than the other guys.
In an earlier video he said he was 6'2" . I am approximately the same height and there are increasing numbers of cars and even a few CUVs that simply don't accommodate people of our size.
Why did this come out so late? Shouldn't this have come out last Friday?
I must be one of the very first to buy a new ranger. Most dealers got just one so my sales person searched a hundred mile radius to find one to suit my needs. I opened the treasury to get a black lariat with everything on it. This is my third ranger as I like the size. Anyway the f150 comparable to what I got is another 25grand. Bottom line is I love this thing. I also have a grabber blue 17 mustang and find myself choosing the ranger to drive every day rather than the tang.
The guy is always saying he does not fit in the cars, he does not look big.
Maybe he is a bodybuilder with body dysmorphic disorder.
In an earlier video he said he is 6'2". I am the same height and there are loads of cars that I won't fit in since the mania for 'swoopy' designs started destroying headroom.
I don’t know what these guys are taking about... But at least up here in Seattle; you won’t be able to find a new F-150 (4x4 with the same or similar additions, for $50,000. 😂
The Rangers that are $40,000 are all upgraded with stuff you may or may not need. I went with the Crew Cab, FX4 XL and added everything I could from there and it was about $38,000; which everything I wanted. I just looked up local F-150’s of the current year, and last year, and they were an upwards of at least $50k and that’s just for a couple of the things on my list.
I’ll always be bitter that automotive journalists convinced me that a FWD car with snow tires would be “good enough” for winter driving. In Seattle and Portland, get an AWD with at least some extra ground clearance or find a friend who does. Otherwise stay away from the mountains from November-April or plan to get really good with tire chains and a shovel. It’s especially fun in sleet and freezing rain.
“Irregardles” no, god please no.
I had a friend that used that word a lot, I told him there was no such word. He kept using, it not sure if he was stupid or just did it out of spite.
It’s just a sign of the constant change of language.
These guys have bad grammar and pronunciation
They will keep saying it irregardless of what you think
To the lady who asked about the Rav4 Hybrid 4WD system. She is right and the AWD does not work very well for any decent amount of driving. But the 2019 Subaru Crosstrek has a hybrid version that uses the same hybrid technology from the Rav4 and still uses a mechanical AWD.
Oh good, a Gabe-less and Ryan-full episode.
You guys already show how distasteful having this Ford Ranger in your hands. So why to continue more further? First impression last....
looks like a ford escape not a ford ranger.ford blew it on this.
Really, a 308 horsepower Chevy Colorado has no power. Your credibility just dropped to zero. You should join your former CR person who loved the Dodge Durango into the mist of nowhere.
So avoid the RAV4 Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid if you need security of AWD to haul your new born around...got it!
CR needs to inform themselves a bit more about All wheel drive hybrids, there’s nothing wrong saying “I don’t know” or “Im not familiar with” rather than giving the wrong information. Making you look like a bunch of idiots.
Newsflash: Toyota hybrids use only battery in reverse.
Prius 2004....= 15 years ago. 2019 Hundreds and thousands of cars using reverse gear without burning gas.
No they use electric in reverse but they hybrid system can also run the ICE to generate electricity at the same time.
Could you explain what does it mean that toyota hybrids use only battery in reverse ?
Do you mean that the ICE won't start while reversing, and it will act as a rear wheel drive car(where rear is powered by the traction battery) ? And, how about when the car is stuck(and you have low battery) and it needs power in all wheels to manoeuvre front and back ?
This place is a revolving door. New guys like every months. Must suck to work there
Don't watch much, huh?
There is a mix of panelists, but these guys are all long-time regulars.
who would buy this over priced truck .. a fool .. ford will heavy discount everyone , before dropping them in a few years ..just to get rid of them .. a real low priced work truck would sell .. its a fucking truck ford get It ..
These are the three stooges they don’t know jack
Ryan is still too hot