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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2023
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My wife and I met here whilst she was a student, we got married, we live here. She has a spouse visa. I am fortunate enough to earn over the threshold but it’s just utter barbarism from the Tories. My heart goes out to everyone affected by this and I wonder if it’s only a matter of time before we fall victim to their xenophobic hate too.
I am a French citizen living and working in the UK as a French teacher. Having had to deal with Brexit consequences was mentally draining enough and now this… My Fiance and Spouse Visas cost us more than 6000 pounds altogether back in 2021. I am due to renew my visa next year, yesterday I was driving back from work and contemplating the idea that I might have to go back to France even though I am working and contributing only because my partner is not earning enough. We are now holding on to the hope that we will be able to use joint incomes for renewal but my heart still breaks for all international couples that will suffer immensely from these measures.
Do the sensible thing. Move to the Republic, and work there.
I had tears in my eyes hearing the young guy. 💔
Every day they find increasingly inventive ways to inflict their performative cruelty on the people, which continues to cause untold social and economic damage to the country. We'll all need counselling to recover from post-traumatic stress once they are voted out.
That will never happen. They've almost destroyed mental health services.
EMDR is the NICE approved approach for trauma, unfortunately there is only one qualified EMDR Practitioner employed by the NHS in my Borough.
Lee OMG my heartbreaks for you mate. hope you can find a way to be with Sarah.
Sending loveand hope to you both from Australia.
I am listening to this 10 days after it was recorded and I am crying at young man in Belfast who wants to marry his girlfriend from Malaysia. I can't believe the sadness being unnecessarily being imposed. I wish Lee and his girlfriend well.
Wait a second did I hear "crackdown on foreign care worker" is this a thing. That's such a self inflicted wound
This happened to my son 12 years ago. At the time he didn't reach the income threshold to bring his non EU wife to the UK. However because he was then a EU citizen he obtained residency in Spain and Spain allowed him to settle there with his wife.
That option is also now not open to UK citizens.
The Tories, in effect, are deporting British Citizens from their own country with this policy, absolutely sickening
I am a Scot born and raised, female, worked most of my life in local govmt, 25 yrs, then nhs, 10 yrs, which was the worst of the worst at least in local govmt there was an opportunity for improvement and iended up with my best job ever which was technical officer with waste management . But i have never, ever in my life earned more than £26k!! Nhs, as i say, was the worst for pay and future prospects. Soul destroying place to work. Managed 25 staff and still knly earned that amount. So who r they gonna get for £32k. Director jobs in nhs r £100-£150k. The range they r discussing r jobs like planning officers, at a certain level, etc. Not the vacancies that r needing filled such as nurses at entry level, builders etc.
James Cleverly is one of the people with the most mismatched names ever.
I just call him James Stupidly.
I'm in a very similar position to Lee. I'm getting married to my French fiancee next year and this has all but sealed it that I'm going to have to leave the UK if we're to actually live together full time.
I’m in a similar situation to Lee, my fiance is coming over this December on the fiancé visa but we have to rush getting married now, the earliest we can do that is beginning of March because we have to wait 70 days before being allowed to marry, I can only hope and pray that there is a transitional period and that we get the spouse visa application sent off quick enough. This is so cruel to those of us who just want to have a family with someone who is a foreign national. So incredibly cruel.
My nephew is in the same boat. Their wedding is booked for June, and this announcement has devastated them, the family too. I'm apoplectic with rage at this Tory government.
Listening to James is always refreshing, 😂😂😂😂, his sarcasm is unmatched
@dial9111. So is his honesty. He is prepared to face doubts
This affects me! Im British, and live abroad and my wife is non-british. Now I cant move back!!!
i was a band 6 mental health nurse, deputy mgr of my specialist community service and earned £35k.....
I was a support worker inba residential unit for clients with severe and enduring mental health problems. We worked a ruinous shift system that included waking nights (plus £20 if nothing happened ) I was on 15k.
British people currently on benefits because they're not well enough to work are going to have their benefits stopped and the DWP will tell them to go do the jobs no one wants to do. It's a brilliant idea, until you think about it for more than two seconds. If someone is not well enough to work, that isn't going to stop being the case just because the DWP decides to call them something else. So these unpopular jobs are going to be filled with people who really can't do them. That's going to do wonders for the country.
What is the average IQ of a Tory? Same as a Brexit supporter?
Listening to Lee’s story is heartbreaking I totally believe him when he says he would move for his relationship because I might have to do the same.
My Wife and I are in a similar situation I am English born and raised in London my Wife is Mexican next year October her current spouse visa ends and we are looking to do the Extension a second spouse visa 2.5 years. My current salary falls short of the new minimum requirement anxiously waiting for more details wondering what’s the situation for people in our position.
Does / will once more details come through the Extension Spouse visa take into account Joint income?
Same here, I am a French citizen living and working in England on a Spouse Visa, my partner is British and we are anxiously waiting for an official confirmation about joint incomes :(
Lee's story actually made me tear up. I know how I'd feel if some unjust rules (announced purely for headlines) threatened getting in the way of me being with my partner.
I'm really sorry for anyone who has to deal with this.
oh but its fine if you have enough savings,,,,which a lot of people dont have because of the tories
Question: Why, if there is a "Care Act" and the Government is paying for the operation of care homes, are people having to pay FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS A MONTH IN FEES to care homes?
If wages rose with inflation since 1980, we all would be earning on average well above £38k a year
Lee, i feel so sorry for you and am in exactly the same situation as you also in NI. As James rightly says, get yourself an Irish passport you will be able to get married and live there with your wife if you want to, also at a fraction of the visa cost (I actually think it was close to nothing for a spouse visa in ROI) compared with the UK costs (over £4 grand now plus the new £38k salary requirement). I have a friend there who did just that last month. Unfortunately the way the UK treats its citizens leaves a lot to be desired so take your birthright and get your Irish passport 🇬🇧🇮🇪
I'm an American and I've lived in the UK on a spouse visa. Overall 8 years ago it was a total of 9000 pounds. I feel that the culture and economy of American has come to end stage capitalism. We have made huge mistakes and are really imploding as a country but so many rich people have gotten so much richer riding our death wave that we have started to influence the UK. You guys have started to adopt this attitude that each person much be completely responsible for their own survival. If they can't do that then they don't deserve to survive. I don't know why the UK can't look at the disaster America has become and be warned off of going this route. We are not mean't to live and grow alone. Everyone needs help sometimes and we should never give that up. This idea that if you need help you are lazy is just abhorrant and these people need to learn a lesson from us and not repeat this mess.
Well said! That was the aim of Brexit, to pull the UK out of Europe so that the government can pursue hyper capitalism, beginning with destroying the NHS and allowing meat of animal reared in strange conditions to be sold here.
Scottish govmt was and maybe still is looking into 4 day weeks because they believe in and understand the need for work/life balance. This may have worked while in eu but now we under westminster i doubt it will get thru and millions have been lost in funding and workers lost in loss of freedom of movement etc. which wld have helped implement this g8 idea. Little english r so dickensian.
James Cleverly is the new Baldrick.
😂
Another JOB Classic . The True Opposition who has kept his listeners sane for years . Whilst Starmer has been trying to fit into Sunak 's clothes .
....so that's two...when was the other one..😊
I feel like they'd be awfully small for him.
@martinobrien. This is just the sort of smart dismissive remark that we are getting every day now. It’s shallow, and it reeks of self-congratulation. It isn’t helping the cause In any way at all. it’s just a gang-pleasing ritual of chuck-and-run. Very helpful to the Common Enemy on the eve of battle. They are the ones who are laughing at your “wit”. Remember, the Enemy wasn’t frightened of Corbyn. They’d like him back.
@@merkuree Exactly .
@@belindamay8063 What cause ?
I feel for Lee. I hope it gets sorted.
My situation is as follows - I met my wife in Pakistan and have a 6 month old baby with her who was also born in Pakistan.
I am British born and bred and went back to London to study for a masters to increase my earning potential. Because I have child it would have been £18600 + £3800 = £22400.... perfectly manageable.
Now it's £38700 + £3800 = £42500....which is going to be very difficult as a new graduate.
Not really sure what to do now.
How else are the Conservatives supposed to collapse the NHS? Gosh, so inconsiderate, James. They've put so much hard work into the privatisation of health care to please lobbyists. Give them a break.
Brits seem to be worried about the least impactful aspects of life constantly.
Traffic cones?
This is exactly why the UK is in the dire straits it’s in.
...how are the middle-class fareing...?
The cones hotline was what a prime minister had to concern himself with in a more peaceful and ordered Britain of yesteryear
Im glad James brought it up because at the time I was bewildered and like many others thought it might be a way to report wayward cones that had somehow lost their pack (who were all doing their duty, clustered around road works ) and by calling in the location of the poor lonely lost cone it could be caught and returned to the fold.
..seriously .
That was decades ago. Did you miss the point he was making?
Maybe they expect all those carer vacancies to be filled by all the people with disabilities they want to force into work so they can become qualified carers and care for themselves. Not so far fetched with the current state of the governmental hive mind
Shouldn't minimum wage now be that 38 grand figure...
Tax advantages should be given to the employers to train UK people
Hey Lee, Australia and New Zealand are still pretty diverse with better incomes and fairly “easy” (it’s not easy) immigration policies.
It’s also cheaper to live a first world life in the developing world than a 3rd world life in the developed.
The need for workers, is due to this government not traning those already here. Charging nurses to train = madness !
Thats terrible, I hope he's ok. They need to think about what they are doing when they make changes.
Love your show as always James.
Are we in 2023 or 1923?
It is not stupidity, it is pride that prevents people from seeing the truth. Ego is a most effective blinker. Dissonance too disconcerting to address the truth. It is understandable that people grasp onto the reassuring lies offered to them. The truth is too bitter a pill, no wonder it sticks in a throat.
Farage's old Party, is now called the Conservative Party.. James.
13:46 most junior doctors earn less than that
The problem is the average Brit doesn't understand the visa system in the UK, and many don't realise the difference between those arriving her on a work, spouse, student visa, refugees and illegal immigrants. Many especially those who are anti foreigner just lump them all together and think they have no legal reason for being here.
I think the idea that the Tories are trying to make life difficult for the next goverment after the election is starting to look like it might true, especially if you subscribe to the notion that the Conservatives are unlikely to remain in power. Put in place legislation that in a year or two will make life difficult for those who replace the current idiots in power.
Don’t know if I’ll ever recover from the trauma of the mental images, James just conjured in my mind with regards to Suella having a “spasm of ecstasy”…
Yuk 🤮🤢
Ewweee does anyone remember IDS having a moment of excitement when they voted to cut disabilities payments
@@pamelaadam9207I remember, that lad is a demon
That was uncalled for ...
Cruella Braverman! This woman is evil!
Heartless and COLD. Sounds like the Republicans in America....
I work for the Government and have been for the last 13 years and not earning anywhere near enough to bring a spouse over on a spouse visa.
I always enjoyed working for the NHS and never considered getting another job earning more using my HGV License but now may have to change my job so that I can bring the spouse over on a spouse visa.
the Rwanda thing is bonkers - dead right! Why have no conservatives tried to convince Sunak of this obvious fact
My answer to the question who does it appeal to is a small percentage who hate benefit users & overseas workers. The idea might be to make more people work in care who currently claim benefits. I hope I'm seriously wrong as this will lead to major problems.
Imagine putting people who don’t want to work in charge of venerable people.
This is a horrible thought.@@lantanarh
If they Irish lad gets an Irish passport he could possibly move to Ireland which is still in the EU and probably has better immigration rules, and basically could live on the other side of the border, he works in Northern Ireland whilst his partner works in Eire where they both could live.
Brilliant James
It will affect renewals, as per its name, renewing the visa. The prices will go up for sure.
18k was OK. Why take it up!?
Last June I got married. I’m totally in love and she is too. Now we can’t be together in uk because I don’t earn enough to bring her. She is young, hard working and ready to be a contributor, she is not arrogant and would do jobs Brits would not. But instead I got to send most of my income abroad. I moved out of my flat into a shed to save every penny and build a house abroad where I will go because I lost faith in Uk. I see no future here. Two of my grown children moved to Sweden and Denmark, the others plan to follow. The uk is a sinking ship
James, I follow all you do & almost always agree with what you say, imparticular about the corrupt & totally inept government we've had dragging the country down day by day...though we can talk all day & every day about their totally shocking ways, BUT the people of the country WANT full accountability for their individual/joint actions.
The time has surely come to focus our attentions in talk, on the ways in which accountability can & should be pursued?
Fix housing nobody will need such high salaries if housing will be quater of what its now
A lot of those Tories are landlords/ladies. They want to make sure that there isn't a huge stock of houses. They want to make sure supply is acute to increase the value of the current crop homes they all own and rent out.
I expect a lot more future British and foreign tenants from 2024 onwards. Having a decent home in the UK & NI is for the absolute birds (the rich).
Coerced into taking a jab they did not agree with answers your callers questions about natives leaving, then to have lower paid immigrants taking over roles.......whos policies does that come under????
Psychotic Politics ...
I am Yemeni in USA who in love with British girl. I cannot sponsor her in USA , and I thought I will move to UK to be with her. Now , I don’t know what to do. I love the girl and I feel I might lose her.
The privatisation of "care" replaced home helps , people who enjoyed their work, knew their clients, were loyal long-time employees until their function was sold off.
STILL blaming Corbyn! The man's obsessed.
I think that James is the most eloquent person on the planet. So jealous am I.
Am i correct in remembering that we also agreed to take a Rwanda immigrant for every immigrant they take ? If thats correct, doesn't that defeat the purpose? I don't agree with the rwanda plan , but this is ridiculous!
People should be rushing to open agencies to supply businesses with foreign workers for a price.
1.45 million unemployed here
train our own people
Just to clarify the remark made by the care home owner.
The council only act as an intermediary, the tens of thousands in fees are then charged to the care home resident/ their family.
I don’t get why cleverly who has benefited from his mother coming here from Sierra Leone is involved in what is racism against foreigners coming here along with the Indians second generations immigrants who are have recently been in the senior posts running our country.
What people forget is that foreign nationals if returning back home can be entitled to their NI contributions. So if people end up going back because the country has become unfavourable how much money will they take away from the government.
Just after the Covid gone Brits needed to get up but it turned out that 2.5 mln of their workforce were still sick or don’t want to work anymore. So employers, nhs, immigrants tried to save Brits from paralyzing and it worked. What a response from the Tories. Eriko from Indonesia ( my daughter - Megan - is working there as Medicinal Chemist )
Where have they got the 38700 from
Should they not have been used a threshold that represents average salaries... probably looking at an annual salary of a person working on NMW working 40 hours
Scrap the ‘Great’ from Great Britain. As well as ‘United’ from United Kingdom…. Maybe that will make the country less appealing.
So any young British person who meets someone abroad can only leave the UK if they want to stay together.
To the HGV driver I an a HGV driver and in Lincolnshire you can't get £38,000 well below . As for trades only self employed are well paid. Ask a Builders merchant driver his or her pay. Been HGV DRIVER many years.
I chose to retire at 60 in 2018 rather than wait for my state pension at 66. I had an occupation pension forecast and counted up my monthly direct debits. When the amount of pension was enough to cover the DD’s and my savings could cover the luxuries, I decided it was time to leave work. 5 years later, I have no regrets. Next year when I finally get my oap, my income will more than double. I am lucky as I have no rent or mortgage to pay.
Every single person born in Northern Ireland is, as contained in the Republic's Constitution, is IRISH, and can get an Irish passport as a matter of course. Anyone born anywhere on the island of Ireland, is IRISH.
I wish
I had spent more time in. the office instead of. being. with my family will never be on a tombstone 😅❤ I know that is. quite a well known quote
Real quick: Why did Suella Braverman lose her job then? What? Cleverly makes the whole affair more palatable but, the detestable Rwanda Policy is going ahead?
When you were born here went through the 60s,70s,80s, your self (had my kids in 1985,1993,1997 and 1994 RIP DANIEL looking af) £38000 kiss it not telling what to kiss
27:08 Bankers' bonuses don't contribute to inflation - it's all squirrelled away offshore so it can't bid up prices here.
It's a smoke screen for African oil pipes. Too much British appearances in Africa lately
So the Malaysian government is not allowing him to stay
A yup Jimmy Mack, - used to to live in Iver. Clearly recall the mid 30's. Mansions above Iver Heath, below Pinewood, up in the woods theere. Couple stuffed full of jerry stuff.
BBC execs abodes, according to Barry primary, ended up burnt out out and ruined, what was all that about ¿?
Echo chamber in here. I don't agree with the Rwanda proposal nor the dependents not being allowed in for NHS staff. We also can't continue with 750k net migration so what's the answer?
Well I know what the answer isn't; you don't stop the workers we need in the important sectors we need, NHS, care etc. Investing in infrastructure - housing, schools, hospitals - would help alleviate the problem somewhat. Getting down the backlogs would allow us to remove those that haven't made the cut, which in turn frees up spaces for those that we do need.
I think the Irish guy should seriously consider moving to Malaysia because he might find a better standard of living there. Otherwise, his hopes rely on the english electorate doing the right thing by voting this government out next year and the new Government repealing these immigration rules.
brian speaks for me
How would it work for the favourite Tory Thai bride and her family?
We have major shortages so we poach other countries staff leaving that country with shortages themselves, how progressive of us .
Yes sounds like Britain.
We seem to have a bit of a habit of extracting the wealth, resources, skills , manpower etc etc from poorer countries .
Quick jump on this ere ship , come and work on the tube ,drive buses ,nurse our elderly and infirm ...
Oi you ! Coming over here taking all our jobs !
@@bobjary9382
And giving absolutely no consideration of stealing other countries vital staff . The left think it's progressive that we poach doctors and nurses from extremely poor countries I myself think it's extremely selfish.
Then the answer is to put significant sums of money into training schemes, yes? The problem with my solution... Tories never want to fund such things and neither do employers. Until that changes, you're going to need outsiders to fill the positions to help drive the economy. Not rocket science!
You need to your homework,we have to many unemployed.
18:33 also weirdly it should have some effect to drive up domestic wages as it decreases the pool of surplus labour to hire from such that those that are left have more bargaining power ...
17:44 i suppose the up side of it is that it makes it more economical to hire and train a British worker than to import a non British worker tho that would be a peculiarly protectionist idea for a free market tory party to implement on the sly
Time to get the hate party out.
This policy is not designed to keep the population happy but the backbenchers. The New Tories group, which includes people like Lee Anderson, want to cap refugees to 20000, student visas to be limited to the "brightest" by making some universities ineligible, end temporary visas for health and social care workers, close the opportunity for graduates to stay in the country after graduation. m Remember what Stamer said at the conference "“I have to warn you, a party that has so completely severed its relationship with the future, that is prepared to scorch the earth just to get at us. They will be dangerous,” "
lots of brits are emigrating taking their life savings, qualifications and experience with them ..
Is James heavily masking ADHD?
1:14:33 Its all the so-called "disabewd" innit!
UK is not a country
Hmm. well some essential jobs will have salaries increased or illegal work market will flourish or businesses will fail. I am not sure I grieve if businesses that grift with foreigners will fail. People should be paid a living wage from jobs.
At least this way the job vacancies can be given to the bums who sit on the dole all their lives By refusing to pay their benefits forever...... I don't earn that money in my skilled job after 31 years....
Giving up work to read .. The dream
I read about someone who called this phone number. The person spoke to some woman who took all the detail. Guess what happened? You've probably guessed by now absolutely nothing happened. Well what a waste of time that was.
Jimbo must have worn out several Mute Buttons by now!
They can take every call.
Also heresay isn't really credible. Some person talk to some woman.. any can say this doesn't make it so.
Nothing ?
Might be for the best
If only you where not right
19:21 its a very ...Victorian idea isnt it lol