FlyInside Bell 206 Jet Ranger | Full Flight Review | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we take the FlyInside Bell 206 on a flight from Burning Blue Design's Solent Daedalus Airport, over to the Needles lighthouse on the Isle of Wight, within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
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Enjoy the flight! - Hry
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A nice breakdown by a real-world B206 pilot: www.helisimmer.com/reviews/flyinside-bell-206-microsoft-flight-simulator
Worth mentioning also, that handling characteristics can be tweaked via the external Heli Manager tool; there is a "Tail Stability" setting, which presumably would have helped null out the Jet Ranger's tendency to behave like a happy puppy ; )
Cheers guys!
Thanks for the video. And the shoutout!
My absolute pleasure on both counts sir! Thanks for the article and all the best to you : )
Great review.
For those interested in a more realistic start-up sequence, it's possible to bind a joystick button to the helicopter's starter switch and have it behave as in real life (i,e., not be automatic). For this, choose a free button on your joystick , go to the controls setup page, and assign the following:
Assign *"Starter 1 (hold)"* to the button's *"ON PRESS"* event.
Also,
Assign *"Toggle starter 1"* to the same button's *"ON RELEASE"* event.
When doing the second assignment, sim might complain that this button already has an assignment, but that's exactly what's intended - assigning both "press" and "release" events to the same button, to the sim knows what to do in each case.
If you get it right, you will now need to keep the button pressed for as long as you wish to have the helicopter's starter engaged, that is, from initial start-up all the way to 58% NG. Release it too early, and the engine will wind down without starting.
Note that for this to make much sense, it's best to also have a joystick axis controlling engine power. For that, assign *"Set Helicopter Throttle axis"* to a free axis in your joystick. It won't interfere with the collective control, it will only rotate the throttle grip on the collective control, allowing you to follow the engine increase/decrease rpm procedure during start and shutdown.
Nice for those who want that much more realism.
Great video & review as usual. Thanks. I've only bimbled around in the helis with as much assistance 'on' as I can get. They are a beast. They are great for low & slow sightseeing though. Once again, it just shows off the quality of MSFS, scenery & aircraft, which never ceases to entertain.
Thanks very much AS!
Yes, helicopters certainly take quite bit of getting used to; it took me the longest time to stop trying to fly them like aeroplanes and then I finally started to see some improvement haha. They’re certainly good fun though, present a nice challenge and ideal for the low and slow stuff as you say.
Cheers for watching! : )
I like the flight model of this one. It exhibits accurate ground effect and ETL behaviors, unlike the Cowan model. You can also get into VRS with this model, which was a surprise while I was hovering over downtown Nashville Tennessee. The textures do have some room for improvement, but I prioritize the flight model over the textures.
Loved the video! The area and 206 (as a passenger) bring back some fond memories.
Those internal sounds seem pretty accurate, if not as loud as the real thing.
Hope you had a good Chrimbo!
Cheers Roland, I'm glad you enjoyed the trip! Sounds like a fun flight, whatever it was that you got up to at the time : D
I don't know how people have such a good ear / memory for sounds. I could literally fly in a 206 one day and completely have forgotten how it sounded by the next XD
Thanks for the info though! Much appreciated and all the best : )
Always been a big fan of audio (my sound setup is worth more than my PC) and had an ear for things. Different strokes as they say; I don't know how people can copy back a long clearance without taking notes!
Haha, well as you say - different strokes. . . I can appreciate really good / really bad audio most of the time, but I’m pretty awful at comparing real vs sim, remembering how something sounded etc. Luckily I can get away with it most of the time, as it doesn’t matter the addon, sounds always seem to split the audience 50/50 haha : P
Best turbine light off sounds I've heard so far in msfs - it's a big sensory memory for me so I'm always looking out for it!
Well I am not sure about that because the Bell 206 I was one irl sounds nothing like in this video. The Cowan version comes closet to the real thing at the least for the cockpit and exterior engine noise.
good to see you review this one - i bought it yesterday and initially struggled, one thing that did help me was to reduce the stick travel in heli manage to 30 - this seemed to mimic more what my actual stick was doing (Warthog stick) and moved stability to 10 (as per Helisimmer) - i am gradually getting to enjoy flying helis - though not yet ready to land on the needle, struggle slightly with getting a sense of how far off the ground i am at times! thanks for the review. My only major gripe is the sound outside is a bit flat compared to the Cowan version, which i also bought! Agree - it looks great but it could be better. I don't know enough about the Bell but this flight model is very different to the Cowan version and I dont know which is correct (ie have to trim the Cowan a lot, compared to this one)! Happy flying.
Cheers Mark, I'll have to give those settings a look. I always assume that the addon will be provided with the "default" settings being the most accurate haha, but I suppose hardware etc comes into play also.
Flying helis in the sim is interesting: Fixed wing aircraft are fairly intuitive, but rotary aircraft definitely take some getting used to. It took me a long old while to stop thinking like a fixed wing pilot, but eventually something "clicked" haha.
I agree with you regarding the sounds and I did make that point to Flyinside also. The same also regarding the modelling.
Enjoy the 206 (both versions haha)! Cheers again and all the best : )
I think it goes without saying the real star of the show here is MSFS itself. It really is blurring the lines between reality and simulation with the visuals.
I spend a day at The Needles once a year while on my 2 week vacation on the Island. Have done boat and helicopter trips around the vicinity of the lighthouse, and it just blows my tiny mind how far we have come with graphics engines, and the skill of the people manipulating them.
I adore the Isle Of Wight, to the point I'm retiring there in the not so distant future. I adore anything aviation, and I adore ITBS. Alright slow down, thats going a bit far lol. 😁 This presentation ticked all my CZcams video boxes.
Well done Sir.
It is indeed quite incredible what MSFS is now capable of! Even a short hop like this, can end up being a brilliant little adventure.
Haha, well it looks as though you've been able to retire reasonably young Chris - lucky you! You'll have to share your secrets ; )
I've only made a couple of brief visits, but I very much enjoyed the Isle of Wight also (I'm hoping we'll see a Burning Blue Design Sandown scenery one of these days). I'm really glad you enjoyed the video at any rate and it's too late to retract the flattery now haha : P
If I didn't say it already (and I may well have done), I hope you had a great Christmas / New Years! Cheers : )
Another Beautifuly done production. The Bell 206! I'ts like i have fsx ALL over again! and i Love it! @Fourteen : Thirtythree You mention the DoDoSim Bell 206. I Certainly Remember this one well. I remember hearing blade slapping when twisting or pitching the helicopter at more extreme angles, and hearing the leading eadges of them rotorblades try and *Bite* the air again, almost as if the rotors disconnected then reconnected to controlled flight again.
Thanks very much RH, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
The 206 is indeed a welcome "blast from the past". It would be lovely to see the DodoSim 206 (an absolute classic!) in MSFS, but this is the next best thing for now : )
Happy flying and all the best!
Another great and in depth review. Both 206's certainly seem to have a lot going for them. For this one, the addition of a mouse click spot to adjust the throttle (with mouse wheel or dragging left/right) would be useful for those without a spare axis and as an alternative to using keyboard shortcuts.
Thanks very much GS, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Yes, it's somewhat tricky to pick between the two (it looks like ideally, Cowan Sim and FlyInside should have teamed up haha) - form vs function in some respects. A mouse clickspot would be good (and indeed, I believe FI may have subsequently added one) - it is nice being able to use the axis though I must say (unlike the Cowan Jet Ranger). I'm tempted to try the Cowan 206 also, but I don't think I need 2 Jet Rangers at this point in time haha.
Cheers, all the best! : )
Never had any interest in helis until I literally had a crack at it over the last week, still only flying the Guimbal and initially it was an exercise in frustration but decided to educate myself a bit and went through some tutorials and now I'm having an absolute blast. They certainly are temperamental to fly and very different to what I expected them to be, almost counter intuitive, a bit of a learning curve in both practice and theory. Still get the occasional cyclic flat spin especially when trying to land, slowly getting better but practice will hopefully make perfect eventually. It's very satisfying to nail a landing that much is certain.
So based on that I might keep more of an eye on what payware helis will come to the sim going forward. In any case thanks for all your reviews in 2022, it's much appreciated, all the best for 2023 and I am certainly looking forward to your reviews next year!
Hi Stefaan,
Haha, I had a very similar experience when first trying to figure out helicopters. It took me a long old while to finally sit down and try and figure everything out. Eventually, I realised that I had to stop trying to fly a helicopter like an aeroplane and then things finally started to click haha. I'm glad you've been enjoying the ride though and I'm sure we'll start to see some great helis coming into the sim!
Thanks very much for the kind words, my pleasure on the videos! I hope you had a brilliant Christmas / New Years and here's to 2023 : )
Cheers!
You are absolutely correct on the "snappiness" during light on skids and liftoff operations. I flew an Enstrom F28A 35 years ago and as far as I can remember it was not like that. You could get the aircraft light on the skids and hold it there, while you steady up...this bird either wants to be on the ground or at 3 feet, ...same on landing, I just can't seem to get it on the ground smoothly, hope they fix it, no other complaints. Nice chopper.
Thanks very much for the info BM! I'm glad I wasn't making completely unfounded assertions then haha.
As I mentioned during the video, I can only go off what I have experienced with other virtual helicopters, but certainly with the likes of the DCS Huey, it's much easier to get a sense of what inputs are needed and steady everything up before you lift off. Currently the FlyInside 206 either wants to be on the ground, or flying as you say.
I very much appreciate the feedback! All the best : )
Very nice!
Cheers Brett, I'm glad you enjoyed it! All the best : )
Very cool! I made a similar video showing a handling I did for bell 407 in gtav. I really enjoy playing with the helicopters!
Thanks Niziul, I’m glad you enjoyed it! I haven’t spent much time with GTA V myself, but it looks like a nice option for some chilled flying / just enjoying the scenery etc. Helicopters are indeed great fun and a nice challenge to try and get a handle on also.
Cheers! : )
That was a lovely flight and a wonderful review, always a pleasure to watch! Like the HeliSimmer review recommends, I have increased stability to 10, which give a more predictable behavior on landing. In addition to that, I use four clicks of aft trim during take off and landing, so I don't have to fight the springs on my joystick as much. In the real 206, the cyclic and collective are coupled, so the cyclic moves forward when you raise the collective. You cannot recreate this in the sim without force feedback, so I guess this little cheat is okay.
Thanks once again Volker, I'm glad you enjoyed it (I know you're a big fan of your helicopters haha)!
I shall have to try the Helisimmer settings out, I wasn't aware of them ahead of the review. Certainly if they help a little bit with the takeoff / landing behaviour, that would be great ; )
As you say, I think the odd "cheat" here and there is fine, given that most of us are using sub-optimal hardware for this sort of flying.
If I didn't say it already, I hope you had a great Christmas / New year! All the best : )
The Dodo 206 was my absolute favorite. An study level. I had an opportunity to spend some time at Bell FA in their sim. Had instructor pilots throwing me all sorts of problems and I evidently impressed them based on their feedback. Experience? About 150 hours in the Dodo on Hovercontrol and the VUSN.
Added in Edit: I've got a fair amount of time IRL in the OH-58 as a forward observer, more static time on the ground and a lot of coffee shared with the pilots and it's a tiny helicopter, very light and fairly easily smacked around. Very difficult sighting an azimuth to a "target" when the nose is shaking left, right and up, down on a windy Ft. Bragg Summer day.
Hello Kyle,
Yes, the DodoSim 206 was excellent - the first rotary addon that I actually took the time to sit down and learn. Your experience with Bell, rather goes to disprove the naysayers regarding the benefits of flight simulation then haha. That sounds like it would have been a fun experience!
Thanks very much for the additional info. Perhaps the shaking is accurate then, although I suspect it would at least be a little more "fluid" in reality.
Thanks once again! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Yessir. As memories go, the Level D 412 and time at Bell Flight are some of my top memories.
Great video. The AI gas ship in the solent west channel not only shouldn't have been there (it's undredged - all major shipping uses only the east channel these days) but appears to be going backwards!
Thanks very much Sail Westerly, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I don't profess to have the requisite knowledge regarding the ship's location, but certainly even as a layman, I could tell something funny was going on in terms of its direction of travel XD
My guess, is that the vessel was supposed to be stationary and was being blown downwind, otherwise though, the model was just plain backwards haha.
Cheers and all the best! : )
OK. I bought this last night and had a quick play today. I haven't flown a 206 for a lot of years (decades lol) but this is quite nice, it brings back some memories.
I think the issues you were having were probably due to microsoft. I have just updated to SU13. I didn't see any of that weird yawing, the machine is now quite stable in cruise. I actually played with weather vaning today as it was quite windy and it just stuck it's nose into the wind on it's own accord, as it should. So that's another plus. I think what you were getting was microsofts bad modelling of torque at the time. That's what it looks like to me anyway.
Haha the retreating blade stall got you. I tried at 500ft and it was fun. Technique is to lower the torque and put some G into the rotor system (fast) and it will straighten up.
All in all, pretty impressed with Flyinside and Microsoft. It seems the sim has come a long way since this video. Let me know if you fly it again.
Thanks very much for the feedback, MB; always good to hear from those “in the know”!
Indeed, both the sim and the 206 have seen a few updates, since this video was recorded. As with most addons, I would be keen to revisit the product at some point and see what’s changed (as ever, finding the time to do so is my main stumbling block haha). FlyInside do a great job by and large, it would be nice to see the visuals get a bit of an overhaul though (on both the B206 and the B47).
Cheers again and happy flying! : )
Nice! I am helicopter pilot and I have gave this addon a shot, unfortunately the flying characteristics are not real life ones and specially on the yaw axis which is very stiff where in reality its more liquid and swings with a bit of feeling of inertia which the flight sim lacks!
A small tip for all you aviators, flying a plane or chopper in a flight sim that doesn't replicate real life physics could ruin your flight senses whenever you decide to jump behind the control in a real life plane.
Other than that I have enjoyed your upload keep it up 👍
Maybe for rotary but I disagree with fixed wing. Having a yoke with good resistance of example can really help you with building muscle memory for flaring and steep turns
I guess we will just have to take your word for it, and not the various real world Bell 206 pilots that have helped develop this aircraft. No worries though, You got 5 of your fellow Xplane trolls to like your comment, so mission accomplished. If it wasn't so obvious. 🤦♂😁
@@MrBillUp I never flew Xplane before and my opinion was to share thoughts with the community not criticizing the team as they seem have done a beautiful job but the point was that the sim has still some work to do to imitate real life , anyway go fk yrself and have a good day !
@@maxdenhaag1 Nice touch at the end 😂 And of course you are right to a certain extent, where flying in any desktop simulator, is nothing like real life flying. Great for learning systems, patterns, navigation etc, but forget the flight models of all simulators, none of them are close to a real aircraft.
Thanks very much for your feedback Malibi!
Your point regarding sims vs real-world flying is of course a valid one, though personally I've never found sim flying to have caused me any issues later on (and all things considered, I think the advantages of enjoying a sim ahead of any flight training, outweigh the negatives).
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks again and all the best! : )
I really enjoyed the video and the tutorial on how to start from cold and dark. Also enjoyed landing on the Needles which I only visited for the first time in 2018. I have also subscribed because I like the format of the video. It's a pity FS is not available for Mac.
Thanks very much Shane, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! Cheers for the sub and welcome aboard : )
For what it’s worth, there is also a cloud gaming option for MSFS. I haven’t tried it myself, but I believe it should work on a Mac, so that could be a good potential solution also.
Thanks again and all the best!
Thanks for a nice video. Been flying on the Needles pad a lot the last 3 days,taking off-land on the parking lot at the building just above and then back. Just with the default 406 and i have to say the wind and turbulence in MFS can be realy nasty, specially when you have continuous 1-2 knot wind changes they feel like 5-10 know changes, making landings really tricky specially in a place like the needles with big walls catching a lot of wind and pushing that around too.
Have to say that i have never seen so much of the same place before i started helo practice and had a fantastic sunset when doing practice at the Needles sunday evening, sun went down, lights came on, it was absolutely breathtaking.
Have been eying the MD500, 206L3 or perhaps even the 125 as they seem to have fun customisations and get a fair bit of praise.
Cheers Coenraad!
Yes, rotary flying in MSFS can get pretty tricky haha. Turbulence and gusts really seem to overzealously affect most aircraft in the sim, but this behaviour tends to feel even more exaggerated by the nature of being in a hover. Another issue I have with many MSFS helis, is the strange ground effect behaviour; you can be on for a good landing and then as soon as your over the pad, you get shot back up again XD
I haven’t tried any of Cowansim’s stuff, but I hear good things (there are a couple CS addons I would like to try myself). The Alouette is still my favourite MSFS heli (of all the ones I have tried).
The Isle of Wight is a great little spot for training, I find. Small enough that you can go from one end to the other quite quickly, but you have a couple of decent sized airfields, a couple of small grass airstrips, a helipad, the Needles and some nice coastline. I had an epic flight there once in some iffy weather, but of course I wasn’t recording at the time : /
Happy flying! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Right on. I actually got to try the Cowan 500E and the 206L3 at a friend on his helo rig and it was a blast. The flight kodel however felt light as a feather and insane power, hover climb to 24k at 3000+ft/m .
Flew like an RC heli sort off and while that was obviously not very realistic it was rediculous fun doing figure 8's and making silly fast stops. It was actually very controlable.
The 206L3 was on the other end and actually had a surprisingly good FM for all i know and you can definetely run out of power and end up in settle with power states.
What struck me that at lkast compared to the dcs helos these required a little less counter pedal when changing collective and on landing trim is very important i noticed. But yeah bopping in and out of ground effect is a bit jumpy sometimes haha.
Not sure how it wiull fly on my own short stick though, but since the stock helos work fine i gues it will be good.
Have you had any time (or interest even) to test out the new Shrike MD530F? Seems to get some praise but very little content of it.
Ah ok, that’s a little surprising; I’d heard good things about Cowansim’s flight models, but it sounds like they’re a bit of a mixed bag across the product range then. . .
Ive been busy with work the last week or so, but I’m considering looking at the Shrike MD530F - it will all depend on what else has been released in the intervening period and whether the 530F piques my interest more than any other recent releases haha. I’m rather hoping it won’t be too long before I get an email from Just Flight, regarding a certain Fokker ; )
Cheers!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well tbh i only tested those two. And in all fairness, with how quircky MFS is in the FM coding, i am surprised helicopters even work :P
And tbh i really did enjoy flying those two. I do get the feel Cowan is pushing out a bit more quantity over high quality perhaps but so far he is at least delivering and the models do have quite a few nice features like addons etc, so i think he is doing a fair job.
And in all fairness i went and tried the stock 407 last nigth and like many Asobo aircraft that thing when you pull that collective hard also is quite a rocket.
Nearly got the 125, but saw now someone tease a Huey for MFS as well. A huey sure would be cool.
Not going to lie, you deserve that Fokker (and the Avro) before anyone else. It has been a long wait. Looking forward to watching your review on that one.
Like everything in MSFS, I gather we’ll be getting 2 Heuy’s haha. Taog is doing one of them though and as my new favourite heli dev, I can’t wait! Actually, MILVIZ is doing the other, so that will probably be a blinder also : D
How could I forget the Vulcan?? That’s another one I’m very excited for (I love just “sitting” in the cockpit of that thing, it’s so interesting haha). I own the JF Vulcan for both P3D and X-Plane, but I’ve not doubt it will look completely resplendent in MSFS. I’ve just spent the day recording / bombing around in the Dave Garwood Hunter, so I’m very much geared up for some Cold War action now ha.
Cheers man! Have a great weekend : )
Excellent work as usual ! Enjoy watching your video creations :) Comparing 206B3 with 500E and then decide which one to buy, or both :)
Cheers Ronnie! Glad you enjoyed it : )
The FlyInside B206 isn't the most beautiful aircraft in the sim, but otherwise it's a pretty nice addon. I haven't tried the 500E myself, but I hear good things.
Best of luck with your choice haha!
My challenge with something like this is that I’m such an occasional user of helicopters in the sim (I really don’t like them IRL as I tend to think physics will always get its way in the end 🙁), the standard Asobo offerings more than satisfy any desire I have to use them. So whilst I appreciate what the devs can do (and it really does sound good) personally this won’t be something I’ll be picking up. Cheers for the review as always, excellent stuff.
Quite the opposite Mark; if the free helis are enough to scratch your very occasional itch, then lucky you haha! I don't spend a tonne of time with rotary aircraft either and when I do, it's usually in DCS - it's nice to have the option in MSFS for sure though : )
If I didn't say it already, I hope you had a brilliant Christmas / New years! Cheers!
That yaw-bounce is enough to make you sick! That can't be right.
Haha, well luckily I managed to keep my lunch down 4K, but I’d be surprised if the behaviour is entirely accurate, yes. In fairness, that sort of snappy reaction to gusts, is pretty prevalent in the sim currently; FlyInside do also provide a slider to adjust “tail stability”, so I expect that can probably be used to dampen things out.
Cheers, all the best! : )
From experience I'd say the double clunk sound when closing the door is accurate, one thump for the door closing and another for the locking of the door handle. A bit disappointed that the aircraft doesn't shake/vibrate on the ground when starting the rotor, the real aircraft displays a 2r vibration felt through the seat and controls due to its rotor configuration.
Ahh ok, thanks very much for the info Dean, makes sense! It is a shame about the lack of vibration / “ambiance”, but MSFS tends to be a bit weak on that front generally, in fairness (FS Realistic may well improve the situation, but I tend not to run it during reviews).
Cheers again, all the best! : )
Great preview / review video. I like it but don’t like the external program what the competition Cowan bell 206 does not need and is also noticeable better on fps than this Flyinside one. Also better textures and loads more liveries with the Cowan one. Would love to see your view on the Cowan after this Flyinside video. I’m glad the floating screws finally got fixed on this Flyinside bell that I noticed the first 30 seconds and only got fixed in few later update that are being pushed out fast but should have been fixed in quality control with someone in VR because we notice these textures bugs much faster. Love your video and happy you did not notice anything wrong with BBD Solent being a beta tester for them love all their products a lot.
Cheers Sven!
Yes, the FlyInside 206 certainly isn't perfect, though as always with flight simulation, both options have their strengths and weaknesses (CS and FI should have teamed up haha). I am tempted to take a look at the Cowan 206, but I just know that I'm rarely going to have the time to enjoy even one of them ha. We'll see. . .
I'm glad you enjoyed the flight! I didn't realise you were working with BBD. I love their product's as well; I'm hoping, since we're edging in that direction, that we'll see a BBD Sandown airport one day haha ; )
I hope you had a great Christmas / New Years! All the best : )
Anyone know how this compares to the Cowan’s 206?
Another Spot on Video and I am into GA meself so no Rotory for me however I do respect Rotory winged aircraft
Cheers Mike! As I always say; "horses for courses" haha ; )
my go to is still the hype performance copter.
Fair enough Sam, I know a lot of people (myself included) really enjoy the H145 : )
my gripe with heli's in fs2020 is that there doesnt seem to be great modelling and physics when it comes to skids and landing gear meaning you dont get that natural flex or bending the skids encounter when you're lifting off or touching down. As you said the transition between getting light on the skids and into a hover is very snappy, too snappy in fact. and with landings its just a solid thud with no relaxing of the skids as you lower collective.
Not a problem with the heli's modelling, just fs2020.
Hi Alexander,
Yes, that does seem to be the case at the moment (great to know that it's not just my dodgy landings haha). In DCS etc, it's quite possible to "settle" the aircraft before you takeoff or land; in MSFS, you're either flying or you're not. I'm sure Asobo will continue to add to the rotary physics modelling though. . .
Cheers, all the best! : )
Thanks for a very interesting video.
As a one-time yachtie, mostly sailing out of Gosport, with a “caulkhead” wife and 3200 hrs as a FJ Nav, I can answer some of your questions and pose one of my own.
There is a castle at Yarmouth but it is nowhere near as high as depicted, this is a very common Asobo AI error.
The same is true for Hurst Castle, which is a very low-lying coastal defence battery - the taller it is, the easier it is to hit.
The wake forward of the gas tanker is just wrong. How can a wind from 215 generate any form of wake ahead of a vessel steering in that direction ?
I think what the software is doing is generating shipping, particularly yachts, with reference to the buoyage but not the wind at the time - that would be a real CPU hog !
It must also be assuming high tide, or ignoring depth completely, as the motor yacht you mentioned is cutting it very tight over the shoals that extend from the Needles.
My question for the developers is, why is the pilot wearing an oxygen mask ? And has the ability to put earphones over his bone dome ??
Rgds
Chris
Hi Chris,
Thank you very much for the info! You'd make a better tour guide than me haha. It's a shame that the castles aren't depicted more accurately but then again, it's pretty amazing (as compared with other sims) that they're depicted at all.
My guess on the vessel at the time, was that it was supposed to be stationary and was instead being blown downwind (and the sim was generating a wake effect based on the direction of travel). I don't know whether that is possible or not - otherwise the model has simply been coded backwards I guess ha. I've no idea how the AI ships are generated, but I'm sure it's a pretty simplistic algorithm as you say - I highly doubt depth etc is taken into account.
As to the military pilot model; that's not a FlyInside issue, but an "Into the Blue" issue haha. The 206 makes use of the default Asobo pilot models and I just so happened to have the military pilot selected at the time (a hangover from a previous video) - a more appropriate pilot model can be chosen ; )
I hope you had a brilliant Christmas / New Years! All the best : )
Maybe you can help, sorry to even ask but I've been flying since release day and have my throttle assigned on an axis and whenever I go to start I have to bring it up to 30% to disengage that button. It always says I hot start. No matter what I do. I do not hold the starter in, could that be why?
Hi CTL,
I had the same issue initially: You need to be very specific as to when you bring the throttle up. 15% N1 is the recommendation and indeed doing so earlier / later, will most likely result in a hot start.
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
A C20 start never gets tiring. It does need the igniters ticking though. In real life they are quite loud. 2 minute idle not one. 2 minute cool down too. Just FYI.
Thanks for the pointers MB! Unfortunately, I don’t always have the time to learn these aircraft in quite as much detail as I would like (nor could I remember the specifics of each and every one of them haha); I tend to “cheat” a bit and simply operate them as per the checklist I have in front of me at the time. I guess the checklist was somewhat in error (quite possibly it wasn’t a real-world one) - good job I’m not paying for the engine! ; )
That’s interesting on the igniters, hopefully FlyInside can look to add that sound effect in at some point then.
Much appreciated! All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I assume your jets are the same. By the time you're ready for takeoff they would have been running for 2 minutes, same with landing, a two minute taxi in. Do they give you limits or is that time taken for granted? Helos are a bit different in that they can't be moved at flight idle.
Pretty much the same, yes Poida. It depends on the jet, but a 5 minute warm up is typical (very rare that we aren’t taxiing out for at least 5 minutes) and I’ve flown jets that require anything from a 1 min to 5 min cool down (sometimes one has to taxi pretty slowly to get the 5 minutes in). The airlines want to shut them down ASAP and the manufactures want them running up to temp for as long as possible haha. I suppose the difference between reality and the sim; I’m sure 2 minuted goes quite quickly in a real helo, as you’re kept busy with other tasks / checks etc, but in a video it feels like an eternity ha.
All the best : )
Excellent review as always. What AI are you using for the boats?
Thanks very much Julian, I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Links to both the AI shipping and the Marina addon, are available in the video description : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Another great review. I've been flying the Flyinside 206 exclusively since it's release but I've only managed to be on the easy setting so far but it's about the fun. Question, how did you get the pilot with the helmet on?
Just use the pilots that come with the Griffin or the new Typhoon. I can't remember now which one it is but you can use those pilots that come with it.
@@Foxtrot_EW Ahhh ok. Don't have either of those.
Hi Mike,
Thanks very much, I'm glad you enjoyed the flight!
To change the pilot model, simply go into the "Misc" settings menu of the sim. The military pilot is a "default" MSFS model, that came included with the Top Gun Maverick update.
I hope that helps. Happy flying and all the best! : )
I didn’t have a problem with it visually. My complaint is whenever in a city or near land with even a modest number of scenery objects, the frame rate dropped to a few frames either side of 30fps running DLSS running at 3440*1440 on a 5900X and RTX 3080 while the H145 has no such issues.
Thanks for the feedback Dan. Yes, many users are reporting sub-par FPS with the FI 206. Hopefully FlyInside will be able to optimise things a little better and squeeze a few more FPS out of the aircraft.
Cheers and all the best!
The FlyInside Bell 206 Jet Ranger Flight model behavior is very near to real and the addition to fight with the vortex ring state (but it feels very scripted ) is a very great bonus and let me overlook the shortcomings of the texturing. It comes somewhat close to the DCS Huey, but no 100%. I Want to recommend this Rotorcraft to anyone how looks out for a challenge, as there is noting like this in MSFS. It is the best helicopter that we have ever seen in MSFS up to date (24.06.2023). Is it 100% correct? -No I don't think so, but it is as the best impression I ever had in MSFS. I had 6 flights wits a Bell 204 and countless as a passenger in a R22. I'm able to control the FlyInside Bell 206 Jet Ranger without any assistance.
But:
I have a superb VR hardware setup. I use a FFB Cyclic (for Force trim - I know, the 206 don't have it) and a collective with a spring-loaded brake (for RPM setting) with a custom-made anti-torque paddle . My setup has real live, a 42cm extension. It's using normal potentiometers. Means: I have roughly 10 times more control and definition at the tip of my thumb (just moving around 10square centimeters max), than others that use a normal Joystick (yes, I'm talking also to the Vipril and Warthog users.). When you want to control a Rotorcraft, you need an extension to your joystick. Otherwise, you end most of your time "overcorrecting" and you are behind your rotorcraft. That's it. I tried it with a "shorter" setup - I ended wobbling and overcorrecting every time.
So you have to face the facts and turn down the realistic settings a little bit to be able to control it reliable and without frustration.
Thanks very much for your feedback Condor, I’m sure it will be useful to others!
I’m glad you’re enjoying the 206. Cheers and all the best : )
Ahhhh yes, the old "DoDo Sim 206" for FSX. I flew many a hundred hours in that lovely version of the Jet Ranger. For FSX, it was the most accurate helo when measured against the plethora of 3rd party helicopter options in that Sim.
My question, as I'm an avid rotory wing flier, do you think there is sufficient levels of flight model improvements over the update included Asobo Bell 407 Jet Ranger where you would say getting this 206 is necessary? The Bell 407, once setup for rotor trim with all "assists" turned off has a reasonably accurate flight model. In your opinion, does this 206 bring enough more to the table, flight model / flying accuracy wise to add yet another Jet Ranger to my already reasonably accurate Bell 407? I tend not to buy more than one model of any type of aircraft to keep my hanger less...cluttered. I don't need every model of the Spitfire to be content. Just one VERY GOOD one will do. Same with a Jet Ranger. What say you?
Hi 5dmk,
Yeah, the DodoSim 206 was a cracker! It was also the first rotary aircraft that I really got to grips with. . .
That's a really tough question to answer haha, not least of all because I don't have any real-world rotary experience to compare the flight model against. My short answer would probably be "no". The FlyInside Bell 206 does appear to be superior (in my estimations at least), particularly with regards to the flight model, but it's swings and roundabouts to some degree; the 206 does some things better, whilst the 407 has its own strengths also. If you're happy with the 407, I don't think you'll be blown away by the 206. It's nice to have ETL, RBS, VRS modelled etc and the internal sounds are great, but otherwise the default helis hold up pretty well in comparison (+ it's quite likely someone will mod / improve the 407, if they haven't done so already).
I hope that helps a little? All the best : )
PS. You can NEVER have too many Spitfires!! : P
@@IntotheBlueSimulations HAHAHAH. Ok, I'll give you that one on the Spitfire. I do so love the Flying Iron Spitfire.
As to your answer on the Jet Ranger. Spot on my friend. I think the 407 is accurate enough not to have to get the 206. Besides, I'm waiting for Nemeth to kick down with an MD 500-600 series Notar as my favorite chopper to fly. I can make due with the 407 until then.
You're the best my friend. You are, without question, the go to person on CZcams for FS2020 stuff. Thanks, as always, for your time in replying and always giving such great advice.
A pleasure as always sir! : )
which throttle are you using for collective control ? Happy 2023!
Hi SPS,
I have a Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog. I use one of the throttles as a collective and the hardware slider for aircraft throttle control.
I hope that helps. Cheers and all the best to you in 2023 also! : )
I’m kinda torn here. I have a lot of real world 206 time and would love to test the flight model, but I’m not sure I want to spend the money if you can’t turn the radios off in the cockpit. Is there an avionics switch overhead at least? You should still be able to on the control head anyway though.
Yes, you can pull the GPS breaker and shut them off. Or each radio has its volume/off knob.
Hi Fred,
As Rick points out, the circuit breakers do work, so you should be able to turn the GPS / radios off that way. Each radio does have a volume knob, but as you can see in the video, they didn't appear to be clickable for me (perhaps the product has subsequently been updated). . .
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best! : )
Thanks for offering up the help Rick. Much appreciated! : )
Love the AI shipping going backwards ???
Haha, indeed! Something slightly amiss there. . . Probably not a good idea, heading backwards up one of the world's busiest shipping lanes! XD
after asymmetric lift> left roll at overspeed she easy recovering with my hardware, but i don't sure real stuff can take over-g like that on recovery, in any way it really fast can be prevent, so if you don't need it you won't have it lol... however autorotation for me in this bird is always crash, would be cool to see any video with this. even if i take dive before landing she's nose go up, i try different collective angles speed, push cyclic - nothing, or that's normal, or i need push boosters/trimmer if default trim position actually not neutral and set center too back, without throttle help, we can not move cyclic to normal position? my best guess i just do something not right:) for autorotation i set throttle to idle is it right, or i need do something another way?
Hi Einherz,
I’m really no expert when it comes to rotary flying and only have my experience in-sim to go off. My understanding for an autorotation, is that it’s not the throttle that you want to set to idle, rather the collective. Dump the collective, let the airspeed turn the rotor and then during the flare, back up on the collective and use the energy “stored” in the rotor to arrest the descent rate. I haven’t had a chance to fly the Jet Ranger in a long while so, I can’t say whether the addon has an issue or not. I will try to give the manoeuvre a go, if and when I get the chance. . .
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations hi:) thanx. yes, i do that with throttle, and collective set to take rpm in green zone, most of them can do that, but this one go to flare itself:) and that's the problem, after chopper go up i lost control and for prevent crash i add throttle, or i go kiss the ground by tail.
all the best for you too:)
@@IntotheBlueSimulations p.s. and btw, one more problem if i modeling engine stop situation, close the fuel valve. rotor gonna stop and spinning rock go down:)
p.p.s. i just remembered, i didn't close fuel, i set 0 by idle button:) then rotor stop... and found it's just don't reaction on collective at all when move throttle back, rpm go down even at 100kts and min collective, when engine stop with other models, you can pull collective if rpm don't drop enough and take her up, in this one nothing... just rotor drop rpm faster, in all models before rotor brake i slowly pull collective up for faster drop rpm at higher blades pitch. in this one you can exactly after engine stop pull collective up and nothing, so probably with this model something wrong at low throttle i mean it's fully lost contact/dependency of air speed or blades pitch, and when you start to leveling it's go to flare itself... so it's fly cool, but something not right if lost engine/low throttle. i think...
Hopefully this will be available on the xbox version looks really good
Its been confirmed for xbox...yes!
Hi Noel,
If the FlyInside B47G is available on the console, then I would expect the B206 will be available also. I'm not sure on that one myself, but I've no reason to doubt EW's assertion.
All the best : )
Cheers for the info EW! : )
👍
No vibration as the rotor turns ?
I’m afraid not, Reg. A lack of vibration / camera effects, seems to be a bit of a weakness of MSFS in general (it is possible to add these effects though, so I’m really not sure why most devs don’t bother).
I hope that clarifies things. All the best!
So.... Best helicopter for a beginner ?
Must have a degree of Auto Pilot. I need to make jam and bread from time to time ... and sing songs 🎵 😁
Hi True Blade,
I’d probably have to say the H145 overall - although unfortunately it’s also the most expensive haha. That being said, you can always give the freeware H135 a go (if you haven’t done so already). I don’t recall whether the H145 has an autopilot, but certainly it has a lot of stability augmentation, making it pretty easy to cruise around in (even on the harder settings), it also has the ability to set the flight model to different levels of difficulty, which is useful for beginners of course. My advice would be to check out the H135 and see how you go from there.
Happy flying / singing haha! ; )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Oh didn't know the 135 was free. I'll give it a go in the Austrian alps. Yodeley hey ho !
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Hey! As I fly Helicopters it comes to my notice how rough the terrain textures are sometimes...
How do you think about the Google Maps Enhancement for this simulator? I would love for you to maybe make a short video on that or tell me what you think. Sometimes in the Comparison Videos Bing Maps looks better and Google Maps is really rough, sometimes its the other way around...
Whats your experience? What do the other Viewers think? Thanks in Advance!
I find the stock bing is low Res and can look rough under 1 or 2k ft. Google is much better res but the colours can be off - i.e. blue/green fields flying over West Wales.
The map enhancement also has modern bing maps, which can be a good solution.
Fortunately you can switch maps on the fly (excuse the pun). Just clear your cache each time.
From my experience avoid the Google Maps Enhancement, as it does nothing to enhance the sim at all. Blackshark AI has a torrid time overlaying buildings on top of it, and makes everything look like a war zone.
Hi Alfder,
I haven't tried the Google Maps enhancement myself, but having made a lot of Ortho scenery for X-Plane / P3D, I can say that it really just depends on which part of the globe one is flying over. Google has better imagery for some areas and Bing for others. I actually completed an around the world flight in P3D some years ago (using Ortho scenery) and found Bing to be a more consistent option overall. MSFS textures can look "rough" in places (that's all relative mind you haha), but are very crisp in other areas of the sim.
I don't plan on trying the Google Maps plugin myself; I understand that it shouldn't cause any issues with the sim, but I've heard a few horror stories nevertheless and I'm happy with the way MSFS looks overall.
Hopefully the above, coupled with the other comments, is of some use. All the best : )
That's interesting Roland - I wasn't aware that more modern Bing maps were an option also (makes you wonder why on earth Microsoft doesn't use those for the sim??). It is tempting to give the tool a go, but "if it ain't broke" and all that. . . haha.
Cheers Chris, that's useful to know also! ; )
After the Microsoft Flight Sim 40th anniversary update, what helicopters are available to Xbox?
The Gimble, and the Bell 407. Of course there's that electric one as well but I don't count that and then there's that cheap $5 Russian piece garbage. The bell 206 will be coming to xbox so don't worry.
@@Foxtrot_EW Thanks
@@chalmerslane my pleasure.
Hopefully EW's comments were of use there Garry - I'm afraid I wouldn't have been able to answer that one myself. . .
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations It is true that the Bell 206 will eventually come to Xbox?
The 206 dont have trim, and I dont find need for it in this thing, it mostly fly nice and easily with hardly any cyclic input with the appropriate collective input.
The gust issue is happening on lots of aircrafts not just this helicopter. Like everything MSFS its all a work in progress, the Asobo heli physics will hopefully be great one day but right now while a good start they dont have all the parameters needed to make a FM as detailed as FlyInside has managed. I hope we get there over the coming year but as for now its not there yet. I wish Asobo was more clearn on that. This thing is so good its on par if not better with the best to be had in DCS right now, one big difference is MSFS weather make flying much more interesting.
On the trim issue, I was confused around that, or unsure, I dug up a manual and found no mention of trim there so I guess its true, no 206 has trim. Maybe because its a hydralically boosted system and not full hydralic, but I'm just guessing, I dont know enough of how this works exactly.
The flyinside 206 DOES have trim. I've used it since release. If you trim it right you can fly 80 to 100 without touching the stick. You have to use the lateral trim. Not sure exactly what its called as I'm at work now. Its not the trim up/down that we've been using since msfs release
There is even a sticker on the cyclic grip documenting the function of the trim button. I assume that different versions of the 206 had different trim options. The one modelled by FlyInside has manual trim, but no force trim release (FTR). FTR seems to have been an option on later models.
Hi Murdoch,
I don't know about the real-world 206, but the FlyInside Jet Ranger certainly does have trim (if that's as a concession, fair enough - obviously your average sim hardware isn't ideally suited to rotary flying). As you say though, the FlyInside 206 requires very minimal trim input at any rate.
I did mention that the gust issue was not specific to the addon and indeed MSFS is still a work in progress (though coming along nicely these days). I'm sure we'll see leaps and bounds in rotary flight modelling, now that devs have the tools they need to model this stuff in the sim.
I hope that clarifies some of my points a little. All the best : )
I just wish I could keep mine in a straight line. I play on Xbox and it's so hard to fly using a gamepad
Accurate flying is certainly much trickier using a gamepad Nigel, especially when flying rotary aircraft. It might me worth looking at your sensitivity / assist settings; no shame in turning on the assists, if it helps mitigate the limitations of using a controller. For what it’s worth (and if you’re interested), I found with a bit of practice, a game pad can still be a “reasonable” solution though: czcams.com/video/pSGMbGI2IBQ/video.html
Cheers and all the best! : )
So I bought it and I fly a 206B3 and an R22 in real life and with all settings set to max realistic it’s a long ways from real. The native 407 in the sim behaves more realistic as far as torque so t waste your 38 bucks
Ahh, well that’s a shame to hear Scott, but thank you very much for the info nevertheless! Much appreciated and all the best : )
As long i have to run an outside .exe before starting the sim i refuse to buy any of these helis.
Fair enough Gary. I guess the external app is necessary for the custom flight model, but I can certainly understand why such a feature might not be to everyone’s tastes.
All the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations i just bought the CowanSim 206B3 which uses the internal heli model. Feels much better than the bell 407 and also does not need an external program to run :)
Yeah it's a no go for me. I don't care about all those settings in the end. I have no way of knowing how to set them up to make it realistic. This is what I'm paying the developers to do for me. Hire some pilots and figure it out. What's even more strange for me, they actually did, so why the hell the model still is so unrealistic? I'm constantly reading about 'push this one to 10, this one to 100, and the model still lacks inertia.' Great, so it's just no good for a sim.
Try flying a real one spud.
Hi Inner,
My guess would be, that the sliders are there to allow people to adjust based on their specific hardware (since most typical joysticks etc, are not ideally suited to this sort of flying). As a result, the devs probably didn't feel they could include a "one size fits all" setting. I could be wrong though. Your point is fair enough either way - we're all looking for different things at the end of the day. . .
All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well you've got a fair point there. I'm not against the feature to allow for different controllers setup. I guess I was more angry seeing the 'non inertia' rubber-band yaw on wind shears, which is a totally separate issue from the sensitivity sliders after all. But there's one more point I would like to make. How hard would it be for the developer to include few sensitivity sliders presets for the most commonly used hardware? Most of us are probably using like the 5 top selling joysticks after all. Especially since they are charging quite a premium price for not so complicated product (at least compared to the PMDG or Fenix). Plus the 'feel' and 'handling' of a heli is quite a top priority in my opinion. We won't fly it on autopilot after all or utilize a ton of flight planner. It's all about the hand flying.
Well, funny you should mention that (having a few presets available), as the exact same thought popped into my head, as I was typing up my initial reply to you haha. It would certainly be nice if presets were offered for common hardware options, or even just certain hardware configurations (joystick only, joystick + pedals etc). Either way, hopefully the FI B206 will continue to see improvements to both the flight model and other features.
All the best! : )
I’m not a real helicopter pilot but I think the flight model has a lot of random behaviors and bugs compared to every other helicopter in dcs and other sims.
Hi Twifosp,
Yes, I’ve heard lots of mixed feedback from real-world rotary pilots and simmers alike. The general consensus seems to be that the 206 flies like the real thing in some respects and not others. I would agree that rotary flight models feel much more convincing in other sims, but I guess MSFS is still getting started - hopefully things will continue to be refined. For now, I would say the FlyInside Jet Ranger is still one of the better options for MSFS, if only for the modelling of ETL, RBS, VRS etc.
All the best : )
The Cowan Simulation 206B3 has a much better model and texturing. It is also recently released. There are some flaws in the geometry, but the developer is already releasing patches. And this model from FlyInside is even lower quality than any default model.
Agreed not a fan of the texture work!
Hi Alex,
Yes, the Cowan 206 is certainly the prettier of the two models. I think both options have their advantages / disadvantages, as is almost always the case in flight simulation (if Cowan and FlyInside had teamed up, we might have the perfect 206 haha).
Cheers, all the best! : )
MSFS guys modelling is just not right these days. Be it in this or the 737.
I'm guessing you meant "gust" there Jeremy? Indeed, gust behaviour in the sim does still need some tweaking. Atmospherics modelling does seem to change quite a bit from one update to the next, so hopefully Asobo will hone in on the right implementation eventually.
Cheers : )
I find it like any others for procedural efficiency, none are like the real aircraft. It's butter irl. 🧈
Cheers for the info Tom. A fair point and I figured the 206 would probably be a bit smoother to fly in reality haha.
All the best! : )