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A lot of people are saying Tator called me an Uncle Tom. That is not what happened. He didn't even say I was a racist to other blacks, let alone call me an Uncle Tom. Tator was just giving what he believed to be a well know example of a black person being racist to other black people, which was an appropriate response if you believe I was saying those things don't exist.
I repeat, Tator did NOT, neither directly nor indirectly, call me an Uncle Tom in the video.
Look up the real meaning of "Uncle Tom" it was a positive turned negative over time for us black folks and it gets a bad narrative for the said events in history that really happen.
I've seen the term used to dismiss the opinions of black people that go others disagree with.
so odd question you think Tator's going to respond to this video?
I like your videos and this one is awesome
I mean I get it to a point since I'm not really a fan of pointless negativity either as it never ends well, but at the same time I don't really understand why they should be given the benefit of the doubt when they're seemingly so keen to explain why others don't like something.
It's pretty much the basis of what spins any of these topics out of control when they pop up for any given medium, as everything just seems to devolve into painting those that you disagree with in the worst possible light. Which has sadly turns what would have been formerly passive and nice communities similarly as rabid, because they're constantly getting everything in the book thrown at them which only emboldens their negativity and cements it.
That said I also get how this is directed at a person, Shady in this case and not a generalized group. But that doesn't really make the style of speaking any better in my perspective.
“You’re punching up.” My wife literally called you a gentleman for how backhanded and polite that was, literal verbal tennis
I don't really care for the concept of "punching up" as it suggests "punching down" and that people are undeserving to be made fun of as they are "weaker"
@@calvinmcneil9824 I’ve been a professional comic for over a decade, anyone can “get a punch”. It’s shadys’ exquisite use of being nice and not bullying someone who could not and who’s fan base could not possibly fight back. That’s the difference in comedy and being an asshole
@@calvinmcneil9824everyone can be made fun of, but you have to actually make fun of them
I just call it "punching."
@LTNetjak Punching is punching, regardless of which direction it's going. Don't want to get punched? Then don't throw hands, it's that simple.
Bigger people can be bullied, smaller people can be bullied. I don't really care how you want to justify or excuse your behavior to yourself, you look rather pathetic when you do regardless. Either it's all okay, or none of it is.
I did hear an amusing joke about this casting:
“Do you think they asked for a ginger and the casting director was dyslexic?”
So horrible, but oh so funny
...oh my, wow, took me a second.
@@ShadyDoorags So awful, but it did bring about a belly laugh
Jiminy fuck, am I going to hell for laughing at that?
@@TheChildofAuraReborn Either everything is ok to joke about or nothing is.
I'm dead. You've killed me, dear sir.
Ironic that this Tater accuses you of being condescending… while taking a condescending tone throughout his video and making a disingenuous jab about not knowing a mermaid story was fictional
Master-Tater didn't understand the reason why Shady compared changing the beast to the change of the character. That's proof enough that Master-Tater hasn't a clue about what he talking about. That's such a simple explanation to understand.
I hate how close our names are
projection and hypocrisy is a quite common thing when it comes to people that value their own opinion enough to spend hours producing a video on it. unfortunately, people that are as self aware and humble (at their core, obviously shady bases a lot of their attempts at comedy on an outwardly conceited appearance.) as shady are an extreme rarity when it comes to online commentators.
@@tatteredshield8120 I cast presto name Change-o you are now broken shield
I’ve never heard of this tater-brain, but his voice is unbelievably obnoxious
Accuses Shady of being condescending
Is the most condescending person ever
I tried Shady but I could only handle that guys voice for 3 seconds. Liking for the algorithm and moving on.
Your cringe tolerance is weak
@@DrakeMystical And yet their quality of life is probably better for it.
Gonna have to agree
The arrogance in Master-Tater's voice is like nails on a chalk board.
bro, I'm in the same boat. I WANTED to hear what he had to say and not just blindly agree with Durags, but MAN...🤧
Thank you for pointing to Cree Summers and reminding everyone she's been voicing characters of all races since the 80's and still does so today :3 It really gets my goat when people push for VOICE ACTORS to only portray their own kind.....which is stupid because the range of your voice talent is what matters in that profession, otherwise we'd never get amazing casting like Phil LaMarr voicing everyones favorite time traveling Samurai.
One of the things that bothered more than anything about 2020 Twitter demanding that all voice actor and actresses match their race and gender is how that would have hampered actors like Arthur Burghardt who played Destro in the original Sunbow G.I. Joe. Destro is suppose to be a Scot with aristocratic bearing, and yet, he has no Scottish burr and sounds closer to Darth Vader than anything. However, the thing is that we never see or hear Destro without his mask, and it could easily be a voice modulator attached to the mask to explain away why he isn't speaking with the correct accent. And to be fair, Arthur Burghardt did a great intimidating Destro with a bit of swarm to it when he was talking to Cobra Commander, and he originated the role. Most others actors try to do a voice similar to Arthur Burghardt to the point where some fans even thought that Destro was black as kids, and are shocked to find out that he is Scottish and his real name is James McCullen XXIV. It then becomes questions of why he is wearing a metallic Disco Outfit, and it is more wholesome that anything out of 2020 Twitter.
Unfortunately Phil Lamarr is one of those people who demands people only play characters who match their race, and demanded people not use him as an example.
@@TheChildofAuraReborn too bad for him.
Cree is a fuckin goddess. That woman voiced my childhood and beyond. My life would be lesser without her.
@@TheChildofAuraReborn .....is he retarded or is it Jar Jar talking?
Tater is what's known as a "bad faith actor" which is horribly common in Hollywood and social media. They think speaking with an authoritive tone is enough to pass as an expert which, sadly, works on people who aren't discerning with information they read or hear.
Taters argument about not knowing what Ariel looks like is even worse when you consider the fact that she had a cartoon show a comic book series and two direct to video sequels
Don't forget cameos, dolls, merch, video games and featured in video game franchise Kingdom Hearts
My little sisters favorite disney princess was Ariel before she even watched the movie just cause she saw a picture of her
Isn't it crazy people can't just consider the fact that this is just odd to people when there was already source material I feel this way everytime we swap anything on characters
I normally don't like to bully people, but this other guy's voice makes him sound like the stereotypical "UM ACKSHUALLY" kind of guy and it's triggering my fight or fight reflex.
Guess we'll see how the rest of the video goes
Its triggering my fight or throw into a wall reflex
Its also triggered my flight or nuke response
Release the Daleks
Indeed he does. The more I hear him, the more I wonder what flavors of Doritos are stained on his keyboard.
@@ashotofwhiskey219 He strikes me as a cool ranch kinda guy
“This video is getting demonetised”
Funnily enough, I got an ad right after that line
Same here lol
Same
Me three 😂
18:07 "he too can be a black mermaid" goddamit Shady you made me spill my drink with this one
God ya that one was so funny it had me in actual pain the more you think about it the funier it gets too
@@RustyNipsI’d totally watch that movie. It honestly couldn’t be any worse than the remake we actually GOT
I was listening to his videos as I usually do and the one second I look at it I see that and spit my water out
i burst out laughing out loud. I haven't laughed like that in a while
I think the reason Shady has struggled to get a response video is that his initial commentaries on the content he makes are very well reasoned and thought out for the most part and most people can at least understand Shady's perspective even if they don't completely agree with it. On a side note, welcome to CZcams Shady.
Part of Shady making these well reasoned videos is that his points aren't reactive or outrageous like some of the other opinions you come across, so they aren't going to generate the same level of controversy. If his video on the new Little Mermaid's race, and the culture war said things like "If you’re defending the movie's race swapping, you’re just trying to cover up the fact that you're the real rokcist" there probably would have been more responses. So, I guess that's a tip for you, Shady: if you want more response videos, you should start making inflammatory statements that you don't actually believe.
@@as3957 Or make inflammatory statements that he does believe, that he can confidently defend. Like for example, "People who defend such obvious tokenism care more about pushing their particular agenda than any kind of consistency in history or the artwork." Or a more simple one, "If someone thinks just because fiction is made up therefore it's all equally made up and anything goes, they're retarded."
@@as3957 exactly, being reasonable isn't good if you want more responses
@samurai tadpole the internet kinda encourages that kinda of behavior. Being outrageous will encourage engagement and engagement encourages the algorithm. If you're a ladder climber, the internet incentivizes you to be a terrible person.
@@TheAsylumCat exactly, sometimes you don't have to be a ladder climber
Congratulations Shady, now you can make the list for a big CZcamsr.
Wow, the dude sounds a lot like Mandark. I kept expecting him to start doing the evil laugh...and i'm incredibly disappointed that he never gave us that.
ah haha haha haha
ah haha haha haha
~I think my memory is "pronouncing" it correctly?
yeah, I am disappointed too now, and I didn't even make the MANDARK connection until you brought it up~~~
Eh not mandark-y enough. Needs more nasally and nerdy feel to his voice and personality.
@@abigails4088 having watched one of them old "insert thing does insert thing for 10 mins" videos of mandark laughing many many years ago his laugh is burnt into my mind but as the altered hearing of "fuck uh duck. fuk uh fuk uh fuck uh duck" because I saw a comment that said that
Same with Patrick's "Lee da Lee da Lee da lee" as "we do weed illegally" cannot be unheard
I also think of theese things weirdly regularly whenever I'm alone with thoughts brains just like hey remember that thing
I think I probably would go insane quickly because of how my brain does things like that or it would mean I will last longer then most because I clearly already am idk
@@RustyNips believe it or not you're not alone there... never heard that out of Patrick Star but I'm sure that'll be the FIRST thing I think about now... thank you very much for that
ROFL XD
@@abigails4088 another easy one to hear for Patrick's things is "little little Italy 🇮🇹 " but it's just not as funny lol
Shady has to be only CZcamsr I've watched so far that's made a response video actually funny.
...ngl LMAO technicals is another one that makes responses funny. He does shit in the Smash Bros scene
Just a Robot usually makes them pretty amusing actually
@@mandomero5484 JAR's response videos I feel are pretty hit or miss honestly. At least when it comes to comedy.
Bro what is that profile?!😳😰
10:43
The moment he said that I was: "The Please don't say Birth of a Nation, Please don't say The Birth of a Nation"
Dude every single time someone bring that movie to validate the argument of "Fiction always affects reality" 99.9% of the time ignore the context of the movie and the era it was release.
While also denying how modern media affects culture in their favor.
Also the classic "YOU CAN'T BE OBJECTIVE, NOBODY CAN!" gawd those people have no critical thinking skills.
Yo Shady, the fact that it took so long for someone to make a video disagreeing with you says more about how well your opinions and videos are made. Congrats on your work ethic and just being a good dude. People get way too caught up in a "bigger message" that they fail to see how/who they support are following a road paved with good intentions.
It's sad that this guy beat me do it I was going to make a video going against shady on the does azula deserve redemption
@@Mr.wednesdayallfather You can still make the response video.
@@as3957 what is the point somebody already beat me to it plus it would have been a gag video anyway how Peggy Hill was right all the time and is the most virtuous in all of King of the hill
@@Mr.wednesdayallfather I more response videos could still be interesting (or entertaining in the case of a gag video). I can't evaluate whether your idea would make a funny video, because I don't watch that show.
the worst atrocities in history were committed by people with good intentions. I'm liking Shady's content so far, maybe I'll drop a sub.
I love how he calls your intro condescending when his whole-ass tone of voice is condescending.
The people who say “rAcE SwApPiNg dOeSn’T mATtER” only feel that way until it happens to a character who looks like them
Right!! Lets turn it around for a change.
@@floridaman6982 not going to happen its clear the mainstream media hates wyite people notice moives like mulan and coco they were praising themselves how they made a moive on this culture and how they repented that people but yet when it comes to wyites they don't do that they say its too wyite it must reflect the morden whatever
Race swapping doesn't matter until you swap a black person for a white person and then all of sudden it is "white washing. How dare you."
I want to see a roots movies where Black people are whipping Hispanics and are what happens.
Minstrel shows already happened
lets make a new X-men movie and race swap Storm to be a white Italian... and see how quickly "race swapping doesn't matter" becomes cries of racism, white supremacy, white washing, bigotry, etc.
"They don't think about the points being made in their entirety. They find the slight detail of a point, and rebut that detail instead of a point as a whole"
OMG, you hit the nail on the head. That's the problem with so many obnoxious commentators. They refuse to look at the argument as a whole, and just refute minor things being brought up that don't accurately show the argument being displayed.
That's because it's their strategy to attack the little points. Look at how long Shady had to spend making it clear that his opening was done in a joking tone. It's called a gish gallup. It's a bad form of debate used to exhaust the opponents time by forcing them to prove minor details. Since online arguments don't have a set time limit, it mainly serves as a way to exhaust the opponent in general by forcing them to explain everything and dig through search results for sources.
@MrDj232 is that the name of the fallacy, gish Gallup ?
@@MrDj232 Knowledge And Defense is a perfect example of this. He's an obnoxious Mauler hater who makes terrible anti-Mauler vids, and when I responded to one of the videos in his comments, he wrote this long screed that basically misrepresented me and my arguments. I literally went on this huge thing about how art and logic are intertwined, and it's like painting on a well-made canvas vs a poorly made canvas, and he just ignored that and, because I briefly mentioned NOPE in order to prove my point, brought up how some random person that has nothing to do with the conversation convinced Mauler that Get Out was bad, and that means he's a racist because it's completely impossible to dislike Get Out without being a racist.
and what's sad is, on some level it makes sense that if a small part of something is wrong, then it's entirely wrong.. but these people build huge houses of cards and claim they have these strong foundations, calling them 'science' and 'knowledge' when all you'd have to do is pick one card out and it collapses. They couldn't take what they dish out.
@@ordeporama Yes, the term "Gish gallop" is named after creationist Duane Gish.
A girl I was seeing decided to cut things off when I made the statement "The black community deserves better then recycled characters and stories." Does the black community deserve to have a black Disney princess? Yes. But it should be an "original" character preferably form African folk tales Africa is full of interesting folktales and mythology to play so to take an old story and remake it is not only unfair to the black community (because they deserve original stories) it's also unfair to everyone else because we've already seen the little mermaid
Pretty much
It’s diet “progressiveness”. It’s a little insulting because it’s like “well everyone knows it from when she was white, they LOVE it, so it’s pretty likely they’ll like it even if we change her race!”
I'll date you in her place if you're fine with me leaving you claiming distance ten minutes in.
@@GamerGrovyle thankfully I'm engaged now. I'm flattered all the same tho
And the Reward for the Best Comment of the YEAR goes to...
Seriously, that is what I have been trying to tell my mom when it came to The Little Mermaid. If Disney wants to cast Halle Bailey, then make an original story. Although I suggested folktales based on the Caribbean, this works with the environment this movie already has. Thank you for saying this!
"Though they make sure to do it in a place where china cant hear them"
I almost spat out my drink 🤣
It would have been just about as weird or poorly received if they made Ariel a white blonde or a brunette.
But they specifically chose a black girl for the remake so when people got upset, they'll just be rock-ist.
Anyone, ANYONE who says they just hire someone who "was the best fit for the role" without visuals being a part of the criteria are at best ignorant of the process, and at worst gaslighting the rest of us.
You killed this. Fucking so glad to see an unapologetic Internet personality who’s actually confident in his opinions- oh and the opinion ain’t bad either. So glad to be here
What I'm gonna say is an insane nickpick but even if you're not gramatically wrong (technically) it should be "so fucking glad" not "fucking so glad". again insane nitpick but it just rolls off the tongue better
"Why is doorags plural?"
You know anyone who only got ONE doorag? That's why it is plural lmao
This is true. When I originally made the name, I had a collection of doorags and the plan was to wear a different colored one in each video.
@@ShadyDoorags you should give your advtar a different doorag every video
@@RustyNips That sounds like work.
@@ShadyDoorags ah, those pie in the sky hopes for the fun things you'll do in your projects only to go "lmao that is way too much work for some shit two people gonna notice" once you get to it.
Tho I'm sure you can make it a transparent section and just slap a random image there on a mask layer and have some fun with it.
@@ShadyDooragsyou can just slap a paintcan on your avatar every video in Paint and that's it, not much work needed
You angered someone enough to have them make a response video? You did it, Shady! You're a big boy CZcamsr now!
I really liked that point you made about immersion. I have had people try to mock me when I point out how something wasn't immersive, be it a video game, a movie, or a D&D campaign. The point of immersion is not forgetting that the world is a work of fiction; it is not being torn from the experience by having storylines/ creative decisions that make no sense even within the established world.
I don't care that my character can survive a dragon's fire breath because (as a level 15+) he is effectively superhuman. I *do* care when a character who is established to have no magical powers whatsoever shows up over 500 miles away from where we left them, beating us to our destination in fact, for the sake of "plot". Something being put into the story for painfully obvious reasons is the problem here.
I think OSP calls this “internal consistency.” Immersion and realism in storytelling media aren’t about how close they are to real life. They’re about how little the story breaks its own rules.
Little mermaid. Velma. Batwoman swaps for no reason other than "because". It doesn't automatically help these groups just shows they can't come up with thier own ideas.
I'd rather see new characters than reworking old ones for the sake of woke points and especially how fast the shows or series bomb or get forgettable status
Ok, but little mermaid is live action tho, are you saying a black person shouldn't play a character just because they're a different race? What if they're a really good actor? Btw am playing devils advocate on purpose, you gotta argue against my point.
@@dattos140 Does it really matter if they are a good actor?
@@dattos140 Honestly I do get that view point but I just can't take the view seriously (at least from most people). Especially since (while the saying is overused it is still true) this would never be seen as acceptable if it was the other way around, replacing a black brown haired girl with a white redhead. Honestly I don't care how people make their movies/shows/etc. because I am free to support whatever but it does annoy me when people as a whole don't seem consistent in their preached values.
That of course doesn't count historical/historical fiction (which I suppose some can argue the Little Mermaid is) since those are specifically meant to evoke a higher degree of historical accuracy. In other words no medieval France or England villages should not have the visual composition of say New York or even modern London.
@@commander5662 to be fair if we were filming "medieval french/english villages" and wanted to air *AUTHENTICITY*
...nearly everyone on CAST should be shorter than my 5ft 6 ass...
@@lancethefilmguy9392 yeah, shouldent whoevers the best matter over appearance?
Th-that’s impossible, it’s ILLOGICAL! Your opinion are objective fact. How? HOOOOOOOOOOW?!
Also, congrats on completing your list, very cool.
I know right? He even had the "AND THAT'S A FACT" happen at least once in the video I think. Shady doesn't add that, the gods just say that during his videos
Tator made the mistake of thinking this was a political centric channel. There's a difference between being focused on politics, and having bits of politics in a work of media. Shady is the later, as his works are centered around morality and ethics displayed in media.
Awesome video man, I saw this guy's video myself and TBH I almost went over it.
Edit:
Birth of a nation is a propaganda movie 100% it's the most extreme example anyone could bring up... In the USA at least.
YO JAR 👋
It was also endorsed by a democrat president Woodrow Wilson.
Okay, I'm just gonna copy/paste what I commented on SaberSpark's video on Velma about this whole thing about raceswaps and him saying that "there's nothing wrong with raceswaps" and "if you dislike Velma because of the raceswaps you're stupid" and, while the comment is targeted at Velma specifically, the sentiments behind it is universal. Here it is:
"Okay, I am tired of people complaining about people complaining of race swaps. This shit has been going on for a decade now.
Okay, yes, inherently on face value, there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, I’d go on a limb and say 5-10% of the time, it’s fine.
But, really, let’s get to the truth of the matter. People aren’t really complaining purely about the swap factor on its own. It is actually a red flag in an unspoken strike system. Anytime an established character gets race swapped, sex swapped, gender identity swapped, sexual orientation swapped, it is a STRONG indicator that what you’re about to consume is pretty terrible. Then watch it and it’s even worse than you thought because the new identity of this swapped character is entirely based and expressed by what they just got swapped to because the corporation or creators are trying to get cheap virtue bucks from underrepresented groups. Hell, a lot of times they even come out as pretty offense caricatures.
And I mean…really, the new black guy is the drug centered guy and the only unchanged character continues to be a white boy with daddy issues, a rich asshole, and insecure because of his tiny dick? Ain’t no one gonna connect the dots that maybe this shit should have stunk as soon as the race swaps were revealed or we gonna keep pretending it smelled like roses and posies?"
I probably also want to add the extra shot to the foot for "inclusivity in media" that anytime any sort of inclusion is given, they won't stop being so annoyingly obnoxious about it. I barely know what the project is about only that the cast is inclusive, and that's it.
I think I lost my last brain cell listening to this guy trying to argue against Shady.
Same god damn
you are now officially a commentary youtuber..
_new feature unlocked: arm-crossing avatar_
sorry for bad joke, i'm not really quite awake so this was the best i could come up with..
lulz, I went out of my way to avoid having my avatar cross his arms to make sure it stood out.
@@ShadyDoorags lol sugjeston one day just have your avatar do meme poses and watch the comment section go nuts
@@trolltyrant8344 omfg yes that would be fun
"Fine, change him to another fictional creature! He too can be a black mermaid!"
I almost fell out of my chair laughing XD
Hey Shady, I've had this idea bouncing in my head ever since the first teaser for Little Mermaid dropped. Why did they go through so much effort to change a legacy title, when they could have easily just remade Princess and the Frog in live action instead? Could have saved a ton in their CG budget. Could have plenty of black actors without feeling hamfisted. Could have told a genuinely good story without pissing off young or old viewers. What's your take? I'd love to hear your opinions.
Something tells me they didn't want to because Princess And The Frog wasn't their best performing animated movie. They're driven by profits mostly, so when they see that they can remake a fan favorite movie, they'll go with the most popular ones because (apparently) they're popular enough to draw an audience in. It's why they made Beauty and The Beast, The Lion King, Aladdin, and more into live action movies.
they can't remake Princess and the Frog in live action
No actor out there has enough swag to play Dr Facilier
They're doing remakes due to when the movie licenses expire. That's why Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast already happened. Though I'm surprised they haven't done anything with the B tier movies, like Herucles etc. But I don't have the movie release history memorized. Not looking forward to them butchering any of the Altantis and Lilo&Stitch and Brother Bear era. But they're milking their renaissance films for the while. Can't wait for Latina Snow White next.
@@diersteinjulien6773 some disagreement there, I've seen great Dr Facilier park performances - namely in the Halloween performance starring the Hocus Pocus witches, that dude was great (so was everyone, really)
@@QuincyQuinn95 oh, no, don't take me wrong, there are people out there able to do some GREAT performances as Facilier.
But none of them are A-list Hollywood actors and you know they would never cast a nobody in that role
It's probably because of the voice, but Tater's video sounded like one big,
"ACKSHULLY"!
"If you don't have haters, you aren't doing something right."
- Kobe
Ironically the trailer didn't invoke imagery of the animated version for me. Instead there was a nagging of familiarity but for something else.
I listened over and over again trying to figure out what the issue was. Then it hit me. The way that she sings really really makes you realize how similar "part of your world" and Little shop of horror's "somewhere that's Green" are (btw both written by the same man).
The Little mermaid of horrors would have been infinitely better
Yeah that teaser imagery looks very bland, grey and dark. Even with Haile’s amazing singing talents, this movie is just gonna be another dud.
lol, that should be a skit. the little siren, a horror movie
@@elijaharroyo4846 You basically summed my thoughts. The dark lighting looked like a horror movie.
I've always held the belief that it's much more insensitive to race-swap an existing character, rather than actually putting in the time, effort, and care, to create an interesting new character (that happens to be a minority).
And to back this up, Miles Morales as Spiderman (at least as far as I have seen) was successful, and was well received, because it wasn't a real race-swap; it was the creation of a new and interesting character within the same universe as a known popular character.
So that’s why people hate miles
Miles isn't a very liked character. Into the Spider verse is the only reason he is somewhat acceptable these days. In fact the reason he is mixed race like he is due to Obama becoming president. They were already planning to kill Peter Parker off around the time the elections were happening. The Ultimate universe in general did a lot of things story wise that aren't really that enjoyable. Miles just gets boring stories kinda sad because he is a better spider person than a lot of them that exist. Definitely not the worst thing to come from that universe. Whoo check out what they did with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Personally there are too many spider people out there and lot of them far superior like Miguel O'Hara who is also mixed race. Also taking something that should be unique in Miles case he pretty much gained his powers the same way Peter did so it cheapens the character overall or says Oscorp is really terrible at lab security lol.
Dude, if I could double sub to you, I would, even when disagreeing with someone you put comments to help them, asked your audience to engage and not harass the guy, gave a nod to the fact he was punching upward, and explained why you were responding. I haven't even watched your response yet, and I just want to shake your hand for being an amazing nerd and the sort of people that make fandom, and humanity for that matter, a place worth engaging in.
Is it bad that love hearing shady just completely dismantling poorly made arguments with a heavy side helping of evidence?? On top of doing it in a fair and non antagonistic way? 😌 so so satisfying! What a gentleman!
(When shady argues it feels less like an unhinged flame war on Twitter and more like an old timey gentleman taking off his glove in court after being slapped with his opponents' and returning the strike in kind and being like "Curb your tongue sir! We shall determine the victor in court! May I present, EXHIBIT A!?" Is it just me?? 😆)
NOPE. XD
Reminds me of the Family Guy driveby debate skit.
It’s because he practices what he preaches😁.
I like that his counter arguments is taking almost everything Shady says too literally
I'll use the "Beast" example by saying that the Studio Chizu anime "Belle" has Belle (Suzu) as a Japanese girl and the beast as a dragon, and I am in love with this film. Because it's a completely different story with an admittedly similar but very different message! If it were Disney recreating their Beauty and the Beast story in the exact same setting but only with these character changes, it would have been incredibly strange.
Also, on a side note, as someone who says they appreciate stories with a solid message of empathy, I would love it if Shady made a video about this film!
Ariel isn't exactly something I was all into in my childhood so I don't really have a dog in the fight so to speak, but I like one of the last points you made about how there has been so much garbage attached to changes like these that when people see it it represents a warning flag. Of course, I would apply that to ALL the Disney remakes which I view more as soulless productions to extend the life of their copyright as opposed to legitimate remakes for the purpose of creating a new rendition, quality story. As such, I get the feeling that their goal is to score social credit or just get people rage talking about it, as opposed to making a timeless classic for the new generation of kids.
You said it best man. And they are such garbage nowadays. The stuff nowadays is so forgettable. Compared to something like Toy Story, which is still super relevant almost 30 years later
@@zeboe223423 its forgotable for us older folks but for the next gen their going to grow up that they want to take away form wyite and their doing it slowly
@Steven9567 They're literally not tho. Majority of everything made showcases white actors/actresses.
It's not crazy to reimagine stories differently.
This movie had auditions and they did not just tap Halle Bailey. The director said that she was the best for the role he imagined.
There is a conversation for raceswapping but you guys do it everytime without seeing if it's good or bad. Sometimes it's terrible and sometimes it's great.
If Ariel had been a real person, I could totally agree to this but Ariel is a mythical creature she could be purple and it not effect the story. Black people also have red hair, this is not exclusive to white people. All variations of hair and eye color are present in all people of all races. There a literally not breeds of humans because we are all generically so close.
I find most of the discourse to be disingenuous at best and borderline racist at worst.
@@nitashajohnson4767 what your saying is geocide all the reimaging is only to wyite people culture whats wrong all the actors being wyite we are in a wyite country after all you must hate wyite people if you want them erase in their own culture
@Steven9567 White people aren't being genocides. Grow up. Please tell all about that anti white legislation that is being proposed or passed, please tell me about those white camps being set up, please tell me what is happening aside from a couple black people getting the roles of Characters you think should be white. One being a fucking mythical creature that literally is not a person and does not exist in real life?
Judge me by the content of my character not by the color of my skin.
(🙏🏼Thank you, Dr King🙏🏼)
I don't hate the movie because Ariel looks different, I hate the movie because I'm tired of these terrible, live-action remakes and want them to stop. That and because Ursala is played by Melissa McCarthy.😑
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The war arc begins.... lol
We didn't start the fire
heheheh… this is where the fun begins
More like massacre-arc, Shady is taking him apart in this video.
Gotta love it when people strawman and twist your words into the argument THEY want to attack, am I right?
Side note:
The casting choice for Ariel was deliberate. I don't even feel that it's up for debate.
They knew what they were doing, they knew what Ariel's iconic appearance was and knew what kind of reaction changing it for sociopolitical reasons would yield, we know they were sociopolitical reasons because Disney had said as much and came right out and told everyone they were going to push their "Agenda" into future work, they have affirmed their beliefs in things like CRT and the various Angry Alphabet Organizations, and they popped this out in the same time frame as other projects like Pinnochio and Kenobi where they were ALREADY using black actresses as a shield to deflect criticism. They were accusing potential Kenobi viewers of racism before the finale even got leaked and people ACTUALLY started hating on Reva.
Don't worry, I don't blame the ACTRESS. I blame DISNEY. They are testing the waters and trying to see what they can get away with and the MOMENT critical responses so much as FLINCH, they default to weaponizing black actresses as a means of deflection. It's slimey, abhorrent behavior.
And this is 100% avoidable. Like... Just cast the right people for the right job. Everyone and their mother knows that if it had been a black character getting white washed people would have lost their minds. We all remember the Ghost in the Shell movie where people came out of the woodwork to attack Scarlet Johansson for playing the role of a "Japanese" character even though The Major is a cyborg, uses a body listed as a foreign model (likely Russian), the original creators praised Scarlet as a "perfect casting choice", and the entire point of Ghost in the Shell is that it's the future where human bodies have become redundant and replaceable in an age where a person's brain can be turned into data capable of being swapped out to other vessels... You know... a "Ghost" in a "Shell".
But no, "Tis for thee but not for me" rules. You're only allowed to be critical when it fits the agenda.
You ever accidentally read something from like, the Huffington Post? They have articles now on like "why we are (proudly and openly doing thing we used to claim we weren't doing)"
I mean that their common tactic tho, because most of these people like him can't think for themselves and just use reddit and Twitter to reinforce that their actually right.
@@just_your_localguard9612 in fact, they don't believe in thinking for yourself, and consider agreeing with others to *be* what 'being right' is.
Those tactics are far too commonly used by dishonest people with no real argument to make. They have to dishonestly intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent you and your argument to create a fictional enemy to attack. Sometimes the people are genuinely stupid and unintentionally misrepresent you and your argument, and you can sometimes find common ground and understanding with them, but that scenario seems rare. Most people are stuck in their ideological cult worldview and don't accept any information that contradicts it often doing mental gymnastics to avoid the conclusion of their own hypocrisy/double standards and blatant lack of reality and logic.
@@user-mq4xp1gq3qyou sir speak the truth
Congratulations on becoming an “actual CZcamsr”, even though I already thought you were one.
Hope this video leads to a decent paycheck!😁👍
"Fine, change him to another fictional creature. He to can be a black mermaid!" Dude you nearly made me piss myself laughing, that caught me so off-guard lol
You're absolutely right. During his comparison about Grimm's fantasy tails he talks about race. It's not about race at this point. Ariel was a character. Intellectual property is very different from a story changed and passed down by generations.
23:02 I actually reference this Cinderella for how diversity casting is done right. No one in this video has their race brought up as a part of their character, they just are.
I also realized from Shady’s video here that this Cinderella also does not try to elicit nostalgia from the animated film previous. It is a different version of the story.
I agree. Cinderella is a public domain character, so anybody do anything with the story and make it their own. Want Cinderella be called Ella's and have her be magically obedient and have her sing pop songs? Go ahead. Want to make it super realistic and have no magic yet have her confront her own stepmother (talking about ever after) go right ahead
Want to set it in the modern day where Cinderella goes to a high school in Beverly Hills? Go right ahead. The sky is the limit
What Disney is doing is is trying to redo the original while replacing the character design to appease to an ever angry, ever hungry crowd. I don't mind if they make Ariel black if they do something different with it. Hell I remember there's an African folk tale that's basically the little mermaid so why doesn't Disney do that one? Oh right that requires work and they're too lazy to do it
Ps I actually haven't seen that specific Cinderella movie. I've been wanting to see it for years but I've never had the chance to watch it. I didn't even knew it existed until a few years ago. Please tell me if it's good or not cuz I'm still curious. Personally I love Ella enchanted but I'm more than willing to explore lol
@@bluelanternguardianangel8038 I actually very much enjoyed that Cinderella movie
Doesn't mean it's forced anymore than this is, we're assuming some kind of quota or "affirmative action" on Disney's part, when, while that can be a thing, it doesn't mean that was the justification behind the hiring or the choice by the director or producers.
Cinderella can be whatever race a writer wants, same with virtually any fairy tale, there's a whole series on HBOMax, Happily Ever After: Fairy Tales For Every Child.
@@ToHoldNothing Whether it was forced or not, the movie is done is such a way that it never feels in your face
@@wafflebroz Your feeling of it being in your face is your perception, I didn't feel threatened by that and I grew up on Disney's white Cinderella, same as with the Little Mermaid and yet I'm not threatened by the fact that the character isn't my race (white) in the 90s one with Brandi or the 2023 Haille Berry version.
So much of this is just needless defensiveness masquerading as "criticism" instead of admitting implicit biases we have via society
"OR IS SHE... just an actress with a history of working with Disney"
let's find out... hmmm
paramount....lionsgate... MUSIC VIDEOS... Wrestlemania...
ONE ACTING ROLE IN A DISNEY PRODUCTION >>> AS AN EXTRA "choir girl #1" so... not the "acting chops" they implied in the above statement.
(there is another mouse cred, but she is playing HERSELF, which is not an "acting" role so much as a cameo appearance using their primary star power, not an actual "ACTING ROLE")
so yeah... Effromentator clearly didn't even look at any of the IMDB entries under her name in detail...
That response video was completely valueless. If you're going to take time to reply to someone as awesome as Shady, at least put some effort into making good points! I bet he saw those 77k views and thought "Oh, this guy is popular, let's kick a hornet's nest!"
Possibly, I swung by the comments to see what the mood was. A few of them were turning their nose up at Shady, implying he was shallow or dumb. Kind of sad to be honest.
@AlphaWolfShade that's pretty typical for channel groupies and/or race grifters that would be interested in the black Ariel debate.
I'm just commenting how ineffective this guy's points were, and I know their ideology well enough to what would count as strong points (even if I disagree with them). Maybe he felt he had to go light on Shady because a white guy disagreeing with the lived experience of a black guy is bad optics.... or so to speak.
That's one reason, rilling up fans of big CZcamsrs is all something we small CZcamsrs who see bigger CZcamsrs say the stupidest things and get blind praise for it, are willing to put up with to combat the stupid. And, it isn't his fault that the fanbase was a hornets' nest.
For me, the weirdest part of Tator's response was that he assumed most people complaining never saw the original. I personally haven't seen it, but even if I talked to everyone I know about the controversy, and it turned out that none of them saw it, I wouldn't think our experiences reflected the majority of society. This is a iconic Disney princess movie we're talking about. These characters are featured in Disney's marketing for a reason, they aren't going focus on characters from movies most people haven't seen.
Well shady, congrats on your ascension to proper CZcamsr opinion battles
I'd suggest it's as if Disney remade The Lion King, but this time they are all Cheetahs... but I would just be misunderstood and labeled Speciest. ;)
I'm dying at the edit of you making Beast into a black mermaid. That was too effing funny.
"He too can be a black mermaid" is going on my tombstone.
Good on you for being so civil shady! That guy doesn't seem to be very good at listening... You handled it so calmly! Keep up the good work!
Edit: holy shit the more I listen to this guy the more it's clear that he didn't even try to accurately represent your views. He just likes listening to himself talk. I feel bad, I like a good discussion, I just wish it was with someone who cared a little more about intellectual integrity lol.
I’m 100% saying this as an autistic person: it really sounds like that guy has some form of autism. And I’m not saying that in a mean way, but as someone who sometimes gets so excited I miss the point, he did that a LOT.
@@TheChildofAuraReborn That honestly makes a lot of sense. Best of luck to him, I hope he's able to work with his own mental landscape to make better vids in the future!
Sir.... Did you just directly reference Anna Pantsu?.... I see you are also a man of culture.
Lmao dude was like “most people probably havent seen the original disney little mermaid” and then gos on to list a bunch of different versions of The Best from the 70’s that people probably recognize more than disneys? XD that part got me the most lol
"He too could be a black mermaid" really took me out
I can’t wait for the Shady Doorags review of Birth of a Nation!
Yeah, you would give that film a thumbs-up back in the a day. A racist like you could get behind something like that. I mean your white and acting like you speak for black people that is spinnless.
I do like responses like the ones Shady makes since it shows how much though it goes in making his videos be entertaining as well as informative.
Imma call you out Shady.
That would be very interesting lol. Hello there!
I’d be fully on board for this
Oh hey Manga! I'm honestly surprised Ephrom never went for one of your videos during their 'Defend Lily Orchard from criticism at all costs' phase back in the day.
Was just thinking of you lol
"He, too, can be a black mermaid." And that picture. I had to pause the video I was laughing so much.
“This videos getting demonetized” *gets an ad break right after*
Nah you good
I think it's sad that I'm not surprised a youtube commentator doesn't get sarcasm or hyperbole.
Also, kudos for recognizing the top tier song that is the Bunny Song.
I think the main issue with black ariel is that she comes across as a hand me down and not her own character.
That’s literally all a race-swapped character is. To me it’s worse than a hand-me-down. It is a declaration that the writers don’t want to put in the effort to make a good black character, to be creative and make him or her unique and memorable.
Its funny he mentions that beast is a chimera. But disregards that Ariel is the daughter of king triton,who is the son of poseidon. A Greek God.
That is still one of HISHE's best videos.
Congrats on your first rebuttal vid!
I found out that Halle was indeed selected from among a completely open list of female candidates, so her hire is legal. But the fact that they've since been flaunting her skin color above literally everything else tells you how much confidence they have in her performance actually being able to carry the film. And that might not be her fault. It could just be the writing. But they'll blame her for being black even though they are the ones who made that the most important thing about her. And then they'll call everyone who complains about the writing, pacing, editing, etc. "racist."
And her hair still isn't red enough!!
Bring back the original Bunny Song! No one is going to choose the furnace over eating chocolate instead of tofu! Bring back the stakes!
A challenger has appeared at last. Let the battle begin
Sadly the challenger was just a whiny guy that just tried to start shit for views and had no good points
Through out the whole video, I'm also thinking: "He's just cherry-picking easy-to-argue points from the arguments," which is like THE go-to "I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing," move.
A person has a different opinion to Shady?...........*Screams and kicks around like a toddler.*
0:45 Shady, man, before watching the rest I just gotta say I’m a bit disappointed.
That’s the CZcams equivalent of secretly wishing to get into a rap beef.
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Edit after finishing:
Okay, I need to say this as a white guy.
I feel like I don’t have a voice anymore when it comes to this stuff. I’m not allowed to talk about it in public or I get in trouble. Thanks for giving this opinion a voice. That’s all I’m gonna say about it. You rock man.
At the very least, you're allowed to talk about it on this channel. Thus sayeth the me.
@@ShadyDoorags again, thank you for making us all just people here.
I mean it man. Idgaf about the colour of a man’s skin. We’re all just sapient beings tryna make our way in the world. ❤️🥃
Shady, this makes me want you to do a video about the Willy Wonka remake with Johnny Depp. I liked it because I went in expecting a Tim Burton movie and got one, while others inexplicably expected it to be like the Gene Wilder version and so they hated it. Also, I was thinking of The Wiz a few minutes before you mentioned it, great example of a different telling done right.
I would like to see him cover the live action cat in the hat
Oh man, the Chocolate Factory remake was so good. And if I’m not mistaken, wasn’t it closer to the original book?
It was closer to the book. I actually think it's pretty bad, though.
@@cultreader9751 "Even I am edible, but that children is called cannibalism, and is actually frowned on in many cultures." This line alone made the movie for me.
@@cultreader9751 out of curiosity, do you remember what you didn’t like about it?
The fact that he couldn’t tell you were joking at the beginning of your original video speaks more to his lack of maturity as an individual than anything. Or maybe he knew you were joking and is being disingenuous to try and get points over on you.
12:58 My Brain immediately went to, “Boy. I gotta play Wind Waker again.”
Credit where credit is due, not only to your response, Shady. Part of my family is from East Germany and until now I have never even heard of the elephant version of the Beast.
“Why is dooragS plural?” I assume its cause you’re wearing more than one doorag
He sounds like the guy from the top 10 hottest sonic characters video lmao
“Sonic the hedgehog, one of the greatest and most attractive characters thought of”
Bro who else hears a combo of Mandark and Philip J. Fry whenever that guy talks?
I do,I am mad he's using Tom Servo as his avatar
Ariel is actually not just known, but perhaps one of the most popular Princess of Disney, her merch still sells on its own, even today (even if her movie came out in the finale of the 80ths, people even now still buy dolls, ceramics, and anything that either has her face or something connected to her) and I know little girls who can recognize her a mile away and do love her, heck, I know that even some boys know who she is or can, at last, know the name of her movie and how she looks like, so she isn't just known but loved.
Not for nothing said movie saved Disney from falling off the hill once.
I loved how polite and respectful you were throughout the video. Not only did you address each point thoroughly and reasonably, and even gave this beginning CZcamsr advice & examples on how to improve as a content creator. This is the ideal response video, and should be used as an example to how a response video should be done. Good for you SD, I am even more happy to be a years long sub 💜
Oh yeah, I remember that Cinderella movie with Brandy! Thanks for that nostalgia. I do wonder when they will stop remaking movies but that will be never.
A respectful response that doesn't insult someone
I like
TBH You're greatest intellectual sin between these two videos of yours is getting The Bunny Song stuck in my head.
10:28 In my high school Spanish class, they had us watch the Spanish version of that Veggie Tales movie. The guy voicing that character in the Spanish version had an amazing singing voice and was giving that song WAY too much effort.
17:29 broke me.
Your genuine confusion and absolute dumbfoundedness at such a stupid question asked with utter incredulity, it's just priceless
Shady dealing with Ephrom is funny as hell.
I just discovered your channel but the comment he made 10:59 freaking killed me. I was thinking "WTF is he talking about something like Birth of a nation" and he did it went straight for the straws.
As cringe as Tator's video was. Honestly... I'll actually give him credit where credit is due. My assumption was that it would've been far worse and that the person would attack your character and not your arguments. Which is something I unfortunately see far too often in online debates. I'll also cut him some slack because he seems pretty young and I genuinely believe that he simply didn't fully understand your arguments as opposed to purposefully misconstrue them in order to paint you as a bad person.
It seems that nowadays all internet and even real life debates have turned into simply attack the other person's character, assume the absolute worst faith out of your opponent's argument, put yourself on the superior moral high ground, act smug and whoever has the bigger numbers wins. Let's see if you've heard something similar to this before:
"The person I'm arguing with is a far-(blank) extremist, who has been recently accused of (blank). Recently they've stated that (quote taken out of context). I for one am horrified and find that morally repugnant. Statements like these could actually affect (blank). They are an absolute (libellous statement) and they deserved to get (actual awful thing that no one deserves to go through). I am a much better person than this and will completely distance myself from this person and you should too."
I think that changing the race of a character in a fairy Tale from a European tale to be black would be the same as changing the race of an established black character from an African fairy Tale
“We as a society should condemn works that have bad messages.” - Tater
Exactly, that’s why I condemn the live-action Little Mermaid. Or, wait, are only messages that he agrees with “good”?
Dudee i love My R. I recommend checking out the rest of Diary of Underage Observation too if you havent already. It's mostly disconnected but the last song ties everything together. I really like 'And That's a Good Thing' and 'Murder Monster' everything is good on its own right tho. Like 'VR Dance' would be my favorite from just a musical standpoint.
3:15 that voice tone while you're being respectful and informative just... destroyed'em
Character design is important. How they look tells you a story of the character, from the clothes they wear to the color of their skin, the skin color being less important for things set in the modern day where people have spread out all over.
A character’s design is important for knowing parts about them, while the story tells you the rest.
While people can go in circles all day about faithfulness to a character's description in the source media versus artistic liberties by changing a few traits or radically altering it; the biggest problem we're seeing nowadays is that "it's okay if we change a character's race, but don't you dare question it or you're racist!" and then mic dropping because these people think calling somebody racist is the ultimate defense. It's not at all helped that people on one said act like it's a valid tactic, and the other side is often too cowardly to just ignore the accusation and let themselves be put on the back foot.
Uncle Tom shouldn't be, and should have never been, an insult. Tom, and Rev. Josiah Henson (who he was based on) were both heroes and good people.
Seriously, look up Rev. Josiah Henson
Something something crabs in buckets