750w Bafang Hub Motor Install/Swap - Rad Rover Ebike
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- I install a 750watt Bafang Geared Hub Motor from Electro Bike World into my 2018 Rad Rover. Here are Links to the parts. I am an Amazon Associate so some links will take you to Amazon.
Bafang 750w Motor from Electrobikeworld.com electrobikeworld.com/products...
(amazon) Tamper Resistant Star Bits: amzn.to/3gCO4Qo
my website: www.ridewithcitizen.com
i am fixing up my ebike too and boy oh boy the number of problems I had was crazy. in the end, you learn so much about what not to do. fixing ebikes is all about learning what not to do so next time you can do it faster
Excellent video. I really appreciate everything you have been posting. Good work! Ive owned my Rover Step-Thru since mid-March and just hit 1100 moles on it.
thank you Craig for the kind words, glad you are enjoying the content!! you are putting down some miles on that bike!!
That's a lot of moles! Are you OK after that horrible experience?
Great vid. I found it helpful to tap on top of T20 driver before apply torque to it. Insures bit is seated in dirty holes and may even help break it lose.
Can’t see myself doing this, but great job and completely fascinating 🙏
I like the videos you post. Hoping to get a Rad4 in the near future. Look forward to seeing your next video. Take care.
The megarange cog is for higher torque low speed, great for climbing steep hills.
I have 2 radrovers both 2020 one step through I only bought them because of your videos there excellent early subscriber and watch everything you have and also buy things through your website thanks for everything SO YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED THE UPGRADE KIT!!
Great job as always. Will def reference this when my time comes to upgrade
I had a similar problem you had with my rad mini 4. It didn't want to shift into 6th gear. Always trying to jump out of gear. I found that adjusting the derailleur cable tension slightly corrected this perfectly. A small adjustment nut where cable meets derailleur. 3 or four clicks one way or the other should do it.
oh!? is that why 6th and 7rth gear have no change?
i realize that these are older, and possibly outdated, but i recently picked up a radrover stepthru 1 for $400 used on offerup and am in the process of upgrading everything. i love to tinker, love to upgrade on a budget for the challenge, and also love to make things unique and special to me. the radrover has been great so far, i bought the 35a controller and lcd screen from electro bike world, and am considering this motor upgrade next. thank you for your dilligence, testing, and experimenting, it helps inform me for my next step/purchase. keep up the awesome content! subscribed.
Thanks for this sub!! Little bit older video but the same motor upgrade should work for your bike as well 🙂 It really makes a big difference.
The rear wheel .. getting it back on .. been there for sure too .. each time it remains not a case of simply sliding it in there as many other vids show ... Like this video!
Damn good idea, I did not know this was possible. I was going to do it the long way which is lacing a new motor onto old tire. To save time I am going to try your method. Thanks bud nice job 👍
Like always great video , I’m like everyone here I’m waiting your test results... I ordered my Bolton kit almost 2 months ago after I saw your vid n did the same for the motor after this one , many many thx for all your good work , greetings from France
Greetings Seb!! good luck with all your upgrades!
Bonsoir MSeb J ai eu mon velo rad power bike mardi passer puis je me suis apercu que c etait un 250 w alors que mon precedent de 2019 ete 750w ca ne va pas pour moi pour mettre un moteur 750 w pas trop compliquer et pas d autre piece a changer et ou l acheter merci de me conseiller salutation
@@christiandewaele937 oui c’est très facile, seulement quelques vis et ça se fait tout seul c’est les mêmes dimensions donc par d’inquiétude… mais je vous rappellerai seulement que c’est plus légal sur la route donc attention à vous :-)
BRAVO! Love the videos, love the quality and editing. Content is great.
you're too kind!! :) i'm trying to put out some useful content that might also inspire some folks.
Top tip regarding the axle cutout thanks. Time saver.
Thank You for pointing me to Electro bike world !!
If there is one thing you are it is HONEST in your ability,well done sir.
Great video mate, I have the big tyre mud bike version E-Bike using your video was able to change motor quite easily.
I respect this man's courage. I don't think have a full casing across like means the after-market motor is any "bigger" inside. I, myself, very much trust the radmotorbikes guys. They have been excellent to work with. I have a Radwagon 4
WE USED TO ALSO BUT THEY DON'T ANSER MY EMAILS! WE HAVE HELPED THEM SELL A FEW DOZEN BIKES BY WORD OF MOUTH ! ANYWAY, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR EXTRA HILL CLIMBING POWER? MY WIFES LITTLE RAD MINI SOARS PAST ME ON THE HILLS! I CAN ONLY ASSUME HERS SPROCKET TEETH DIFFERENCE PROVIDES THE EXTRA TORQUE IN CLIMBING AS I SOAR PAST HERS COASTING ON THE FLAT!! I PUT THE HIGHER OUTPUT NEEDS IN MY CONTROLLER, JUST BOOSTED HERS A CPL MPH!! , THAT BEING SAID RAD POWER BIKE REGULAR DISC BRAKE SET UP IS KIND OF LAME AND CONSTANTLY IN NEED OF ADJUSTMENT, SO WE ARE UPDATING TO HYDRAULIC ON OUR REAR BRAKES FOR STARTERS ! **IN GOD WE TRUST**
Another great vid. Because of you I ordered myself a 2020 rad rover step thru, can't wait to get it, not until August their telling me. Oh well ,from what I see it'll be worth the wait. Thanks
I can tell you I have had mine a week now and its worth the wait . very easy to assemble out of the box . It took me all of an hour and it was good to go.
well i wish you a speedy delivery! I think you're going to have a blast on it.
I'm surprised that it was that easy to get the original motor out, with some of the 'horror stories' I've read. A lot of folks have said to liberally lubricate the nylon gears with Lithium Grease (some even pack a load of grease inside the case), but I don't know how essential that would be. The original motor looked very clean and the gears did not appear to be worn down (probably has a lot to do with how 'rough' a person is in their riding style). This has encouraged me to think more seriously about making the swap myself - Thank You, Sir! :)
Both motors came out and went in smoothly, it was pretty easy. if i were to do it again, i would add some grease, good point i didn't think of that, but i'm not super hard on my motors, the original one did still look pretty good. i wouldn't hesitate to do another swap in the future, you could surely handle it :)
They do make metal gear upgrades for the motor. I have not tried them.
@@jasonlittle118 From what I've heard, the metal gears make considerably more noise than the nylon ones, but I've never seen a video demostrating the difference. If it wasn't *too* loud, it might be a really good idea, for longevity.
Charles Cox thanks for that info. Very interesting, I would have f never thought about the noise.
You adjust the derailleur with the two little screws in the derailleur the one screw goes for the chain to climb up on the gear the other screw goes for it to go down to the lower gear.
Enjoy your video thank you
I needed this video as I’m about to follow your footsteps and install this upgrade in my 2020 Radcity 👍
I think the rad city's have a direct drive motor don't they..??? this swap wouldn't work.
@@CitizenCycle925 hmmm you are correct. Direct drive. I emailed electro bike world for clarification. 👍👍
I don’t have an e-bike but the videos you provide are making me want one! I think the Cyrusher XF900.
Great video! I respect you’re courage doing something like that!
Excellent. Thx. Gonna swap out my wife’s Baggi bike 500w for the 750
I love your trailer dude
Well done. Thanks for another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Cool, seems I can maybe change the motor inside my case as well. Without the need of taking out spokes. Thanks for the video.
Very informative. Looking to upgrade mine and i haven't even got it yet
haha, give it a while before you upgrade!!!
Good information. More on the freewheel. I also have the 2018 RR. I thought I had a 11 tooth on the smallest freewheel gear, as I read on a forum. But counted just now to be a 14 tooth, like what you have and what was sent to you. I went to the RPB site and it shows a 11 tooth for the newer model. Must have changed it at some point. Maybe because I suggested they go with a larger chainring, ( increased mine to the 48T) and a smaller 11t on the rear freewheel. I don't care about the "megarange" gear because I never need to shift gears, I never go slow enough, not even on hills.
Taking the rear wheel off and on gets MUCH easier. I can do it with my eyes closed now, but at first it was scarey hard b/c the assemblers at Juiced Bikes in China installed my rear wheel totally wrong, so my torque sensor wasn't even working.
Thanks, looking forward to seeing if the road test results are different.
Me too!
Great video. The screws are called Torx security screws AKA star screws or bolts. I am certainly anxious to see the test results. But with the different freewheel especially since it didn’t have the lower first gear, I’m not sure how to take the results. Perhaps the speed results and resulting current draw may show something. Thx again. This video is really helpful.
when i do the speed tests i do them with the throttle only, so the different freewheel shouldn't affect anything there since i'm not pedaling. as for daily riding and the power/torque feeling when pedaling i suppose it could affect that. will be interesting to see what performance gains i get from these upgrades. glad you found the video helpful and thank you for watching and commenting. :)
Great Instructional Video!
Thank you for the video, well done, let us know if you get the same or more range with the new motor.
Great video .cant wait for an update
You are a funny guy. Yes, North Carolina. Hot and humid. I used to live in Hendersonville.
Brave guy. Good work.
never learn until you try right... thanks for watching and commenting :)
AW, YES, I SEE YOU'VE DONE YOUR BOLTON RESEARCH, GRASSHOPPER...
GOOD FOR YOU, GREAT JOB...JUST GOT MY HIMIWAY STEP THRU...
SEE YA DOWN THE ROAD, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK😜😆🤔😎😷
My bet would be on the New Bafang motor , not the stock rad would like to hear what you think of them compared to each other .
Great stuff!!
When yu mount the bike, hold the rear brake and put pressure on the pedal to tighten your freewheel
What I'm anxious to see is whether or not the motor will overheat in very long, steep hills.
Awesome video!
appreciated! thank you!
Hi there, I am from Vancouver Canada and have been following your channel for a little while.
I was trying to buy a radrunner plus from Seattle and bring it back to Canada since the Canadian laws are stricter than u.s. and only allow 500 watt motor Max. Hence the local dealer near me only sells to 500 watt a 500 watt version.
Then in one of your videos you mentioned that you suspected the US version is not a true 750w motor. Then it got me thinking that the same Factory is really only making one model and programming the controller differently for each country.
Based on the images seen in your motor swap where you had the two Motors side by side it is clear that the stock motor that came with rad is not a true 750 w.
Based on information from your videos I decided to buy the bike locally and to upgrade the motor and battery at a later date.
Though I don't even have the bike yet I do enjoy watching all your videos.
Somewhat related, I commute daily on a 2000 watt electric unicycle with a 1600 watt hour battery. Too bad they don't have the same size motor and battery kits for the rad :-)
Did you get the bike??
If so how are your liking it.
Im in Vancouver also and thinking about getting this bike.
Thing-is about Rad is that you get a lot of bike for a low price but for another thousand dollars (& up) other bikes are everything the Rads aren't, bigger batteries, better brakes, more powerful motors and controllers... I just got one with a Bafang Ultra mid-drive motor, actually the most powerful motor available on a production bicycle and that's immediatly obvious when you ride it, another from the same company which I get in a couple of weeks is a Juiced Scrambler clone with a REAL Bafang 1,000 watt nominal hub motor, time will tell with that one but has a good reputation btw subscribed 🤗
Welcome to the 750 club, CC Rider
Good video , many thanks !!
Super easy to adjust gear there's one adjusting screw. Turn 1\4 turn increments in one direction to start with until gear doesnt jump anymore but if it gets worst turn back adjusting screw to original position and turn screw in other direction with 1\4 turn increments until it doesnt jump .If that doesnt fix it there's another problem . Also was the new freewheel first gear easier or harder to pedal because on a stock Rover first gear has 34 teeth the new first gear has how many teeth ?Thanks for the video
Bafang 750 Watt FreeWheel Removal Tool, Bolton Ebikes has a tool that fits over the electrical plug to remove/install a cassette on an ebike.
While removing the motors from the casing, remember not to touch the sides!! Taking a picture(s) before disassembly helps a ton. At least you didn't have any left parts like I usually do. :)
And don’t practice while high!
Why not touch the sides of you don't mind me asking?
That stock motor looks like a 36 volt 350 watt model that's just being overvoltaged to 48 volts/750 watts but it still only has the torque of a 350 watter as compared to the real thing, many comments on Rad bikes not being very good with hills if at all, it does look very small...
I was going to buy a super 73 until i read all the horror stories about it on reddit. During research, i figured out that building these bikes is pretty easy. I found a scrambler style frame for sale and a 1000w 20 x 4 motor. I used to be a mechanic so i should be able to figure this all out
Good for you!!! and good luck!
check your hanger for the derailleur. It is easy to bend. make sure it hangs straight. Bending it usually screws up one gear. It has a guard to keep it from bending. The guard should not touch it. After you bump it a few times it will touch, then any bump will bend the derailleur.
will check this, thank you!
Thanks for the heads-up about the hanger. I just got a RadMini ST and I have one gear that messes up. The mechanic tried to fix it upon delivery, but it started again the next day. I might point him in that direction (or have a look myslef first).
Well thank you that was quite enlightening not that complicated as I thought it would be really
glad you enjoyed, it really wasn't bad.
@@CitizenCycle925 my bike should be here tomorrow or maybe today I am so psyched
So, "in a nutshell".....We were lied to. Nice!!
True Wattage from my understanding is contentious nonstop wattage draw without overheating . That is not peak wattage .
you get what you paid for.
@@rickw7522 I really do love my custom Rad, whether it's what is advertised or not. Getting ready to buy some more power for the beast soon. Can't wait for better weather!
@@rickw7522 I generally don't get a chance to ride in the Winter months mainly because of lack of daylight. By the time daily responsibilities are over, it's too cold. Winter in the North-east is just not what I want to be riding in, unless we get an unusual warm/fair day, I can't enjoy it.
It is the motor controller that boosts it to almost 750 watts
Great job bud...
Hi, at 12:23 of the video did you spin the locking nut around as well to fit inbetween the dropouts? Just checking.
Did you have to replace the gears inside the stock housing with the gears that came with the new motor? If so, was there anything special that you had to do to remove and replace the gears.
I think it would have been easier to just swap the wheel and spokes over to the new hub if it all matched up which it probably did. Building a wheel is super easy especially the smaller wheels with short spokes.
Just saw your vid here. Ever think of a plumbers strap wrench or a strap wrench for oil filter changes? The plumber strap is a big bar with what looks like a length of bisycle chain on it.
Great Video and very informative. May I ask how you got the planetary gears out of the casing. I own an Ebike and I recently seized up my motor and it is the Bafang 750 watt (RMG06 48V750) I pulled the motor and I can smell the windings are burnt after 7400 miles. The only difference is that mine has the FreeHub attached to the motor, which I had to replace at 800miles on the odometer. The plastic gears all look good but the grease broke down...I can send photos as I did to the bike manufacturer and they havent answered me on a new back wheel and its been 7 weeks now. Any tips will be appreciated ...Thanx In Advance
Is there grease on the nylon planetary gears and/or the 3 planetary gear axles? If so, any idea what type of grease (lithium or a lighter grease or real tacky thick grease?) I'm really hoping for an answer as I will be taking mine apart this winter to check condition and regrease if necessary. Thanks in advance!
Did you notice that the new upgrade 750watt motor is a little noisier than the stock motor? I did the swap and agree that it was very straight forward and easy. Everything works great and smoothly, however, the motor does sound louder. I do not know if it is because it is bigger and more powerful and normal, or what? I did a side by side comparison with a friends stock Radrover and there is a noticeable difference. Any comments? Thanks for the great videos.
Nice job. On this vid, the angle of the front fork seams a bit bended back compared to the angle of the frame
probably result of trying to use camera in a small space.(my trailer) nothing is bent :)
how do you which motor to pick(male) to go into the female connection? i recently had to swap a rear wheel(motor attached) and the connection was incompatible i had to rewire the a new female connection to the controller which is tedious.
I had a bafang motor I went up a steep hill and it started making noise than started a burnt smell. Do u think its done for
Great Video Thank You for posting .I Love all your E Bike videos .
I have a 2020 Rad Rover Step Thru 1 have as of today 183 miles on it ,mostly off road mountain trails loving everything about it .
Hi Billy, thanks for the kind words and support, glad you are liking my videos! Enjoy that bike, maybe someday in the future you will upgrade it too or post some ebike videos of your own, i dont have any offroad mountain videos on mine yet :)
can you do these same upgrades to any fat tire ike aka ecotric/lectric/eahora?
Do you know if The Himiway can be upgraded to a 1000W motor?
had a rad rover couple years ago, love the vids. I am now waiting for my Bolton bike to arrive. Odd question for you, what watch do you wear and what is that bracelet that looks like a watch bracelet? (I run a watch CZcams channel) thanks.
i wear a Citizen's Eco-Drive watch, (very fitting right..) not sure on the model number but i've owned it for about 10 years now and its still going strong. i wear it everyday of my life no matter what i'm doing. the thing has been virtually indestructible! love it to death! my bracelet is about 5 yrs old, it has no markings on it of any kind, not sure what brand, i just went into a jewelry store and told them i wanted a really wide bracelet that looked like a watch band, we picked one out of their catalog and ordered it. was cheap, like $150. i should have bought 2 in case anything happens to this one. i knew it was a matter of time before someone noticed those and commented :) you are observant.
Awesome! Thanks for posting, I was waiting for you to do this install. One question, did you lube/grease the gears before putting back in?
i did not add any additional grease, but you are right i probably should have just to make sure it continues to run smoothly.
The technical name for those special bits is, "Security Torx",
T bit
Do you know if you can upgrade a 500w to 750w that same way? I live in Canada where only 500w is available.
Derailer just needs to be adjusted via the barrel adjustment screw going into the it at the end of the cable. Simply flip it over, put it into third gear and rotate it until it's in line and not noisy.
thanks, that is same thing the videos i have been watching have said so hopefully the fix is that easy!!!!
O I have been waiting for this video
hahaha, well hopefully you find it useful or at least entertaining!!!
I couldn't find a "results video". Did upgrading the motor improve the performance?
In theory the bigger motor has more rotor windings and thus should provide more torque (assuming the controller can provide additional current). More torque should equal better acceleration.
Thanks for posting this video. My 750w Bafang from Bolton is arriving today, I added the 35A controller about a month ago. They implied it was super easy to swap out, but now I'm guessing if I want to use the existing freewheel with the new motor I will need the special tool to remove it.... I'm not sure if the new motor comes with a new flywheel, but I don't think so.
Not having to tangle with freewheel removal was a relief.
I think the Freewheel removal tool will cost about $10 on Amazon. Just make sure you get the correct one. I would think Rad would give you that information.
@@MumfordJim But how do you get around the hub motor electrical plug being so thick? Once the wheel is off and the electrical cable disconnected the plug is so thick I cant get the washer's/nuts off or even get the cable through the freewheel tool to remove it? Trying to replace the freewheel myself. I have the replacement and the tool but i cant figure out how to do it with the fat plug. Any help would be appreciated from anyone....
The Park Tool F1.3 is for the rad
Do you know if a Bafang 750w 190mm drop in motor will work in a 170mm drop in forked fat bike that already has a stock Bafang motor, but only at 170mm drop in?
Great video. Thanks
Good Job bud👍
Thank you!
Can you do that with other motors from other ebikes other models
Moving to a 52T Chainring is a HUGE performance upgrade.
You will not find anything better for the cost.
could you elaborate ? I was considering this to on my stock radwagon 36T :) which cuts off at 30 kph "freewheeling" basically. How about steep hills with the 52t ?
@@Ematuresco
stock radwagon 46T?
52t should still be fine for the heavy radwagon
52T. Chainring will give you better top speed, but the bike will not climb as well. It also may cause the motor to heat up. But yes you will definitely get a higher top speed.
good morning, i would like to know if this item is compatible on my bike, and i am also seeing some engines with different sizes, for example 175 and 190 millimeters, do you know which is the compatible model
Boy, this is really interesting! I want to find out if there's any performance difference. I'm glad you are doing this. If you could show us how to tune the derailleur, that I would love to know. Keep up the great work!
i will surely post performance results after i do some testing, need to make sure i have the setting programmed correctly for the new motor. we will see how it goes with the derailleur and if i can get it fine tuned.
@@CitizenCycle925 do u think I can get 1,000w gear motor for my himiway?
@@dimitrimcintosh8858 if you find out, let me know. I’ve been thinking about upgrading my 750 watt hub motor to a 1000 watt hub motor, but I can’t even find any. Do 1000 watt hub motors even exist?
@@CitizenCycle925 it appears you upgraded your 500 watt motor to a 750 by their size. Did you have to change anything else or did you just drop a 750 watt motor into a 500 watt Bike and Go
@@RandallBalls I also changed the display and the controller
Thnx 4 charing!
Could you please do a video for the radrunner????
Why did u choose to replace the gear circle thing
Nice video. Two questions; are you convinced both motors are 750’s and have you determined if there is significant difference between the “freewheel’s”? It would be good to know if the stock motor is being mis-represented and whether the difference in the freewheel gears caused the 3rd gear jumping.
Looks like the original was a 500w not a 750w, and almost half a stator
That's nice to be able to flip your bike upside down to take your tire off. I have two four stroke builds. You can't do that with a 4-stroke. Changing a tire on the side of the road is a nightmare.
very true
Hi
I have radmission 1 with only 250w motor, can I upgrade it to 750w or 500w ? And I live in the UK / London.
Many thanks.
what controller did you get to use a 52v battery, and is it plug and play with the kit?
Well done man.. you did a very good job on that bike.. I'm looking at getting more power on my MTB-bike from the 250W Bafang hub motor but not sure if I should go for the 500W or the 750W.. if anyone can give me some info I would be grateful.🤫👍
I believe my crew dart v1 has a no name brand 750 watt rear motor i wonder if I can do this swap. I would like to know if the swap makes noticeable difference also
Waiting for your comparison video next was like waiting for the 2nd season of LOST after they found that underground chamber in the season finale.. The suspense is killing me! I hope it will last....
hahaha, i will have a little update video for you tomorrow :)
Watching this 3 year old video, laughing to myself when you said, I know nothing about this stuff (or something like that). Oh my, how things have changed!! I'm in the middle of completely rebuilding a Rover 5 I bought for $200, that died in Hurricane Ian almost 2 years ago. The only 2 salvageable parts are the frame and the rear wheel, the motor is done. I was just gonna use my original Rover motor I saved when I did my upgrade, but this video reminds me how wimpy it is. Gonna buy the real 750.
Can you tell me what kind of front fender you have and where did you get it?? Thanks
Very helpful. Just swapping in my motor. I couldn't get the freewheel off even with the tool from Rad. As to what happens if the screw gets messed up I can tell you it's a world of pain. I've had to drill it out. Next step is to tap a new thread and go from there. Now back to it on a misty day in East Anglia UK.
Great Video! Thanks...