Leon is hands down the best explainer of Lacan on youtube in my opinion. Leon, I wish you would make a whole youtube channel aimed at educating people about Lacan from the ground up!
Very interesting conversation, thank you for this! I’m currently re-reading Freud and many of Dr. Brenner’s explanations were highly useful for my understanding.
Do you mind clarifying the word you used at 1:09:38 in context of Lacan's graph of desire...subtitles say "metrolocite aspect" but I'd like to research this more. thank you!
Andrew is referring here to "Nachträglichkeit" which I think (I don't know German) can translate to "deferred action" or "retroactivity" -- this is an important concept for Freud and Lacan. Basically, retroactivity implies an experience in the present altering the meaning of a past action. In the case of Freud's wolf man, for example, he witnesses his parents having sex "coitus a tergo" as a child and thinks nothing of it. It's only years later when he's going through his own pubescent sexual awakening and becoming a sexual being in his own right that this witnessed scene ("the primal scene") becomes traumatic for him. So the nature of "Nachträglichkeit" is traumatic for the reason that it alters the meaning of past events and/or conjures forgotten memories. These memories take on a new meaning that in some sense changes the composition of the subject's entire psychic framework. How is this possible? Well, the scene witnessed may not have been traumatic at the time, but because the "mature" subject happens to suffer a fresh trauma at a later date in his life, a gap in the narrativization in his life is reopened and the previously neutral scene comes to fill in that gap (i.e. the gap of the real). Implicated therewith is the whole of the symbolic order which now must be rearranged. This is why trauma is not merely an unpleasant episode in a stream of otherwise undifferentiated experience, but rather a scene (however brutal) which is inserted into the gap in order to rectify the continuity of egoic experience. The truly originary traumatic moment is, however, consubstantial with one's entrance into the symbolic order. If the subject is that which the symbolic order cannot fully assimilate (because the symbolic order necessarily hinges on the absence of one signifier), then real trauma sustained by the individual can be equated to the (mythic) moment one becomes a "parletre", a speaking being or a subject of language. The signifier is traumatic for the subject in the same way that the subject is, for the symbolic order itself, a traumatic excess. The imaginary confers a sort of uniformity to conscious experience. When one befalls an unfamiliar event, the shock of it is such that there is a kind of time-loop which occurs. This time-loop we could only call retroactive in that it disturbs the time of the ego (which is linear) and brings to the fore the time of the subject (which cannot account for itself as it is co-identical with that which cannot be accounted for by the symbolic order) in its impossible, "kairotic" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kairos) dimension. I hope that was somewhat clear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterwardsness
@@thevanishingmediators Oh wow, thank you so much!!! Your explanation shed a lot of light on the topic for me. I just ordered a book ("Reading Lacan's Ecrits" by Derek Hook, Calum Neill, Stijn Vanheule) which I hope will help me learn and navigate this territory further. I can see why Dr. Brenner emphasizes the value in participating in small reading groups to truly grasp this information! Thanks again and I look forward to your videos!
Sensational. I'm already hanging out for the next round. Thank you for hosting the wonderful Dr. Brenner. I can't get enough.
You know the conversation is gonna be fire when they mention innenwelt and umwelt
Wow so very enlightening, I learned so much about Merleau-Ponty, Uexküll, Freud and Lacan..thank you Dr. Leon Brenner and Vanishing Mediators! 🙏🙏🙏
1:24:07 Leon Brenner: "you must study Lacan in a group" I love that
Great interview Andrew and Nick, very clarifying. Please bring back Leon!
We plan to!
yes bring leon back! we need more leon
Please, bring Leon back. Great talk you made.
Thank you. We plan to have him back - possibly mid-seminar.
Leon is hands down the best explainer of Lacan on youtube in my opinion. Leon, I wish you would make a whole youtube channel aimed at educating people about Lacan from the ground up!
Wouldn’t that be a public service? We’ll try to have him on again soon and hopefully clarify some more difficult points.
Schedule one more meeting!! That was awesome
Yes this is so useful so more please and thank you
I hope you guys are really planing on gettin Leon back on for the talk on foreclosure, this is pure gold!
Very interesting conversation, thank you for this! I’m currently re-reading Freud and many of Dr. Brenner’s explanations were highly useful for my understanding.
that was really interesting
This was wonderful !!
Thanks Chetan. We look forward to seeing you at the Ecrits course!
Do you mind clarifying the word you used at 1:09:38 in context of Lacan's graph of desire...subtitles say "metrolocite aspect" but I'd like to research this more. thank you!
Andrew is referring here to "Nachträglichkeit" which I think (I don't know German) can translate to "deferred action" or "retroactivity" -- this is an important concept for Freud and Lacan. Basically, retroactivity implies an experience in the present altering the meaning of a past action. In the case of Freud's wolf man, for example, he witnesses his parents having sex "coitus a tergo" as a child and thinks nothing of it. It's only years later when he's going through his own pubescent sexual awakening and becoming a sexual being in his own right that this witnessed scene ("the primal scene") becomes traumatic for him. So the nature of "Nachträglichkeit" is traumatic for the reason that it alters the meaning of past events and/or conjures forgotten memories. These memories take on a new meaning that in some sense changes the composition of the subject's entire psychic framework. How is this possible? Well, the scene witnessed may not have been traumatic at the time, but because the "mature" subject happens to suffer a fresh trauma at a later date in his life, a gap in the narrativization in his life is reopened and the previously neutral scene comes to fill in that gap (i.e. the gap of the real). Implicated therewith is the whole of the symbolic order which now must be rearranged. This is why trauma is not merely an unpleasant episode in a stream of otherwise undifferentiated experience, but rather a scene (however brutal) which is inserted into the gap in order to rectify the continuity of egoic experience. The truly originary traumatic moment is, however, consubstantial with one's entrance into the symbolic order. If the subject is that which the symbolic order cannot fully assimilate (because the symbolic order necessarily hinges on the absence of one signifier), then real trauma sustained by the individual can be equated to the (mythic) moment one becomes a "parletre", a speaking being or a subject of language. The signifier is traumatic for the subject in the same way that the subject is, for the symbolic order itself, a traumatic excess. The imaginary confers a sort of uniformity to conscious experience. When one befalls an unfamiliar event, the shock of it is such that there is a kind of time-loop which occurs. This time-loop we could only call retroactive in that it disturbs the time of the ego (which is linear) and brings to the fore the time of the subject (which cannot account for itself as it is co-identical with that which cannot be accounted for by the symbolic order) in its impossible, "kairotic" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kairos) dimension. I hope that was somewhat clear.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterwardsness
@@thevanishingmediators Oh wow, thank you so much!!! Your explanation shed a lot of light on the topic for me. I just ordered a book ("Reading Lacan's Ecrits" by Derek Hook, Calum Neill, Stijn Vanheule) which I hope will help me learn and navigate this territory further. I can see why Dr. Brenner emphasizes the value in participating in small reading groups to truly grasp this information! Thanks again and I look forward to your videos!
I haven't read that one, but it sounds promising. You're very welcome. As always, more to come.@@GlobalTheatreSkitsoanalysis