Overweight and a high density altitude
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2010
- Glad they made it, I was expecting better performance from a Cirrus. Sure would have like to see the weight and balance on this flight. My poor little J3 performed better.
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Overweight and a high density altitude the title of this video sounds like me now that I am old😂
That was tight. Takes me back to circular takeoffs on flatwater lakes in piston Beavers. How does it go? - “ there are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots”….
Excellent film footage and sound.
Looks like every takeoff in the ag business
Without information on elevation and temperature, weight and balance it is not possible to judge whether this is responsible piloting. But then, it wouldn't be the Internet if we withheld judgment in the absence of good information...
Do you know what a J3 is?
YogiCub181 yes. I just fail to see what the performance of a J3 cub has to do with that of a new Cirrus. There's no information here to allow judgment. Temp, elevation, density altitude, model of Cirrus, weight and balance. Perhaps the plane performed as expected given the conditions. Perhaps it was overloaded. We don't know...
Yep that is about what I said in description "like to see weight & balance" and previous discussions. A 65 hp Cub does not out perform any Cirrus operating within its limitations.
I think that if this is the climb out performance you’re getting, you should abort and see where you’ve gone wrong.
There’s no way this poor performance is only because the density altitude and not the weight and balance.
@@joelmulder - You appear to be suggesting you should about because of poor climb out performance. That is a bit of a tall order. Your suggestion that the poor performance is only because of density altitude is also way out of whack. A WAT limit gives a maximum weight. If you are in excess of that weight you are overweight. This aircraft had a very poor climb. It would be interesting to know why. Without figures we can only guess.
Someone didn't do their homework. This was plain wrong. Hope all who watch this realize this was completely irresponsible piloting.
*plane wrong...
While I agree, my thought, did they even know they were overweight and did they have a clue what that meant at a higher altitude... Sometimes, if not too many times, I don't think these doorknobs even know how dangerous they are, they just get lucky too many times and they start thinking it is no big deal, until that one time it's not.
...of course, in this instance if the pelot didn't know at takeoff, I'm sure he must have figured it out after seeing that he could just barely clear the ridge...
@@genghis3781
A good pilot is obsessive about his checklist. That and the weight. John Kennedy jr was extremely attentive to his checklists. That and even calculated his aircraft's weight ON A SOLO TRIP without luggage. All of his instructors observed this.
This is one reason why we know that he and his family were murdered back in 1999, but there are many more. He was an excellent pilot.
@@jorgecallico9177 uh...sure, ok, whatever you say...
@@genghis3781
Do your homework if you doubt me. The news media LIED on a number of matters associated with Kennedy's flight. The easiest one to check was the weather. 8 to 12 miles visibility read various local reports. So the concept of "spatial disorientation" is bullshit. Besides Kennedy's aircraft was so advanced that all he needed to do was program it and it would have landed on it's own. Witnesses have been hard to find, won't speak or have simply been eliminated. Such as Coast Guard officer Todd Burgun who reported that Kennedy's plane had contacted the tower at Martha's Vineyard. A Boston news station still has that recording but Burgun has disappeared without a trace.
He was probably murdered too. The death of Kennedy jr needed to occur before the rise of George W Bush. As Kennedy was going to expose the Bush Crime family for various unspeakable crimes. With Kennedy's death so went his magazine which was named what?
Ah yes, "George".
The Bush family knew that Kennedy was going to expose them so he had to go. And really what's a small family composed of three adults dying from murder when you're already used to killing in the millions?
We can't really make a judgment without knowing the facts. But when you see how long his nose wheel was off the ground before he left the ground then you are probably right.
I think it was more an overweight condition because 4 really big guys got in it. I did get to fly in a SR-22 this past summer when I flew the J3 to California and back. The SR-22 did not perform as well as what I expected with 2 people in the highlands of New Mexico. Planes are only as good as the limits you fly them in.
I don’t know it looked like a typical heavy/high altitude take off to me.
I kept saying to myself during the video, "turn away from rising terrain".
When you turn, you lose altitude (without additional back pressure, which would cause a stall if you are going slow, or without additional power, which the plane clearly cannot obtain due to the density altitude). Last thing you want to do is turn unless you have sufficient altitude with which to turn to. If this plane turned he would've just crashed.
Asking for a stall. Remember they were at or over gross weight to start with. Density altitude is a killer.
You don't need to turn hard to avoid the terrain in front of you if you start the turn far enough away from the terrain you're clearly struggling to clear
Looks like a slight tailwind also.
Wow, I wouldn't expect that from an SR-22... And I concur!
BTW: If you're ever in Texas look me up, I'd love to see your Cub.
Happy Flying!
I was in TX when I flew the yellow one to California and back in 2012. I'm sometimes only one state away in AR. Flew the L-4 in 2016 east of Dallas.
You young whippersnappers flying out there without doing your homework treat yourself to a high density altitude demonstration. Set up a takeoff and allow yourself only 50% power on that takeoff with full tanks you will soon get a close idea of what your plane will fly like under high density altitude conditions. Use to make my students do it often.
That may be an SR-20 which as we know doesn't have as much power as the SR-22. That may explain the lack of performance because it certainly did seem to have a bit of a time climbing away. I have scared myself to death on numerous occasions at sea-level on a really hot day. Begging a plane to give you 200-300 fpm while the trees nip at your heels isn't the best way to learn about W/B and Density Altitude.
That made my butt squinch up.
Smoke from a fire in the background shows next to no wind, and from the shadows maybe a close to midday takeoff. Maybe too hot plus overloaded?
You were right. I had to watch it again. I've never seen on ein a paint scheme like that. My apologies.
To MR.BIG ( the 21 pilot ) I have researched incipient spins , and inverted dive recovery ; I D R , is very easy to recover from : push the stick FORWARD until upside down to level with horizon ( up side down ) ,then HALF ROLL TO RIGRT SIDE UP ( I pull the power back a bit ) ,( I am a commercial licenced pilot , multi - engine ,complicated aircraft & acrobatic endorsed )
Did he crash? I couldn't tell from the video.
Wow.
Hope they learned from this lesson.
Did he make it?
I was in a -3 G inverted dive with a mig 21 and had better performance than that even with inferior inverted flight tanks....
You were hanging on too tight... vou lost the edge... lol
@@ryancourt8065 Tell Mr. Big to turn in his wings. There are job openings for cargo pilots flying rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong.
Ok...SuperStraffe, if it isn't what is it than. For all others it still is.
I'll bet the pucker factor was high and the BRC wouldn't save them from that.
Yeah they were no were near that height to deploy.........
That was a little close !
Looks like it could have been a Sling.
😤😤😤😤
thats why each and every plane comes with a POH. in addition, probably wasn't trubo charged. this should never happen. don't need details. poor pilotage
Love me a trubo charger
That was not a cirrus
And that my friends is why I fly RC. 5G acceleration to 70mph vertical on my slow setup.
No matter what the altitude or temperature.
I love flyin, not dyin.
To use the vernacular.
And I am a cheap bastard, and RC fills the need.
But mostly not dyin, I like having fun in the air... spending 200K plus to fly a straight line from pennsultucky to the jersey shore just to grab a burger as the reason to go there does not appeal to me. And I assure you I would die if I tried anything more exciting... I am a "what happens if you do this?" kinda guy. If that worked, "Ok, how about this?". RC only costs money. But it is worth it!
Well.....you're not flying. And everyone is dying. Might as well actually do it.
@@aikimechanic If I could afford to ~actually~ fly I would. Flying box patterns or cross country burger flights in a Cessna/Beechcraft/etc is not flying... to me that is just driving a Chevy Cruze down a straightaway at 55 mph, at much higher cost/risk. But still boring (when was the last time you were excited for a long airline flight?). Not to discount there are high pucker-factors with weather, hardware issues, ignorance.. I am not talking about 'scary', I am talking about 'fun' (for me! different folks, different strokes... I am not generalizing, just saying why I would not find it as interesting). If I could afford a Pitts/Yak/Extra or better yet some "cheap" turbine (an Albatross would be nice), then it is worth the risk! Otherwise I would just die getting bored and abusing my 172.