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- Stop! Before you buy a Tudor, take a look at the Christopher Ward C65 Aquitaine in bronze. See if it’s a Black Bay challenger or not.
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What a great deep dive on the Aquitaine! Thanks so much for taking the time, Andrew.
Andrew and the Watchfinder channel put Christopher Ward on my radar, so you can thank him for the C60 GMT I'm going to buy next month too.
I'm going to believe that this is Mike responding and not some social media intern.
Deep dive...I see you did there 😉
Keep up the incredible work CW!
Christopher Ward is consciously doing everything right to create a first rate watch brand. It's criminal that more watch channels don't cover what they're doing.
It’s not criminal it’s commercial. Hodinkee is a shameless cash for comment site. Many others are too. CW doesn’t pay those fucks and nor should they.
To quote Archy “Sh#&@&*ter”
Cough cough… teddy… cough
Lol everyone I watch has covered the Bel Canto!
I have come across him already.
Yea I was a cook for 4 years and was going to start school to become a full chef and then the pandemic hit literally a week before classes were supposed to start. So yea being in the hospitality industry I lost almost everything. So I had to start over. Things changed when I came across Chris Stewart who is a disciplined trader. I have been able to make profits consistently. This pandemic helped me take my finances more seriously. Thanks for your help once again Chris.
Everyone talks about "brand heritage", but Christopher Ward is establishing theirs as we speak. And they're showing that you can get an incredible watch for not an incredible sum of money. Sounds familiar to what certain brands were doing back in the day 🤔
brand heritage is such a stupid, frivolous idea to want to throw money away at. I never understand that aspect tbh. What is it even supposed to mean? That they have been making watches for a long time? So Timex has more brand heritage than CW. Find me a braindead who thinks Timex makes better watches. In fact, they have more history than beloved Rolex as well. Highlighting it in this way really shows how useless brand heritage really is.
Brand heritage is another way of saying "I want other people to know I have the money to spend on branding". It's such a stupid way to judge a watch.
@@robertposteschild2353 It really is. IF we are just into watches, the specs, design, and functions should be the only things we focus on. Can you imagine holding heritage in such regard that you shy yourself away from amazing watches that interest you? What a pathetic existence.
@@Megatraum504 While I agree too much emphasis is put on "heritage", I don't think mechanical watches are only about the specs, design, and function either; that's just going too far in the other direction.
I think heritage is important. As is the design, the specs, functions/features, craftsmanship, etc. It's all about what gets you excited as a collector. As frivolous as you believe it is to spend money on heritage, I'm sure many others think it's frivolous to spend money on a watch at all. It certainly is frivolous to start rationalizing in this way, when the luxury watch hobby is implicitly irrational. Just get what makes you happy, debate about all these different aspects about a watch, shake hands, and move on. The problem comes when, like I said, too much emphasis is put in one thing, and like you said, turns you away from an otherwise fantastic watch.
@@rousseau327 there is only so much emphasis to put on things you like about a watch lol. It isn't that complex. You named them all. (I think heritage is important. As is the design, the specs, functions/features, craftsmanship, etc) There isn't any more emphasis to be spread. That being said, I still believe heritage should be at the bottom of the feeding order. Buying RedBull or cigarettes is frivolous also. There are levels to it obviously. Brand heritage being the peak of frivolity when it comes to watches imo.
I have a BB58 and a Christopher Ward C60 600, and the CW gets incredibly close to the Tudor, for a fraction of the price. The finishing and build quality really is incredibly impressive
Not once have I been disappointed with the cadence, flow and velvet-like quality produced by the mix of your voice, content and script. Excellent video as always, good show!
Christopher Ward have silently been delivering very well-built watches for years, but it took the Belcanto to get noticed. Excellent price-quality rate.
kind of pisses me off that the bel canto is what made people notice CW. I mean, im happy they are being recognized finally, but as u mentioned, a lot of these watch experts ignored their insane development over the years.
@@Megatraum504 I couldn't agree more!
@@Megatraum504Totally!
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I first found Christopher Ward a few years ago while looking for watch straps. I got 2 straps and was so impressed with the quality that I started looking at their watches. I bought the bronze C65 when it first came out. I loved it because it had the styling I really like from the BP Fifty Fathoms, but at a size and thickness that was much more wearable. Mine has been in and out of the ocean often and the patina is slow, but awesome. I have watches from Rolex, Breitling and Omega, and this Christopher Ward holds its own with that company.
I bought a C63 Sealander 39mm blue face on bracelet about 6 months ago. It is so versatile, with quick release it looks great on leather or rubber straps and the on the fly adjustment on the bracelet is brilliant. I was in a Tudor store looking to buy a Ranger or a BB58, i walked out, they didnt feel as well madwe as my C63 to me. Others may disagree but the money is still in my pocket. A Trident Pro 300 is calling to me right now...
I am a Mathemetologist and I can confirm that this is indeed a Christopher Ward watch
And I am a scientologist so I know science!
Would you like to sell your black Bay sir?
Not only am I an astronomer, I'm also a horologist.
@@imthepresident YA NOFFING MAN!
INSECT!
@@imthepresident I'm a qualified horologist also I will remove the movement from a watch and put *YOU* Inside.
That starWars burn..😢 ouch😂😂
Been away from your vids for a few months. Imagine my surprise when I found this one. I love seeing the hands being connected to a real person! I’m back and anxious to see more. Thanks for moving forward.
I own this very watch! It runs at +2 seconds a day. I bought it with a brown leather strap. It dresses up really nice! Cool review.
I have owned many Christopher Ward watches and I can truly say they are extremely good! Yes their prices have been slowly creeping up but they still are at the very least worth the money. ❤ If you love the Tudor Ranger I would highly recommend checking out their Sandhurst in particular the series 1
More Christopher ward videos pls..
Thanks for covering this watch! Would love to see a patina update a few months from now
I have this very watch. I added a suede tan strap for a bit more refinement. The lume on the indices, hands and even bezel numerals are done quite well. Extremely good value IMO.
any issues with discoloration on the bronze? I imagine there will be some.
I’ve loved CW for years and consider them no longer a micro brand producing some high quality watches. I love bronze watches and own a couple myself so probably my next watch will be a CW and I’m quite fancying the Dune, just love the colour
A quick correction. Pink Floyd DO NOT DO FILLER TRACKS 😅
Agreed! Even “Get Your Filthy Hands Off My Desert,” a title longer than the track itself, is essential. :D
Had my eye on the c60 trident bronze for ages, the textured blue dial is gorgeous .
Honestly I would pick this watch rather than any Tudor or Rolecks Subs anytime of the day.
Great review Andrew! I had told in à previous comment you that, aside the Bel Canto, the C65 Aquitaine Bronze was gorgious! To completely get out of Plato's cave, you should have a look on the bespoke C65 Royal Marines Commando too (a derivative of the version 1 of the C65 Sandhurst which has adapted the design and style of the military Smiths W10). In MHO, this is the best field watch for bucks on the market...
PS: Disney, stop slaughtering the Star War franchise! 😂
I have the steel on a bracelet version and it stunning!
Great review! TY
I've got the C65 Aquitaine GMT and it's the bomb. A compact lug to lug and clean classic lines will make the C65 line a modern classic for those in the know
This is from a person who recently had the opportunity to try on both this bronze Aquitaine and the silver Black Bay:
In marketing materials, the CW looks leagues better from a design point of view. But in person, the way the Tudor sits on the hand, and the glimmer of the silver…they don’t compare (which, considering the price difference, it’s only fair)
honestly, thanks for sharing. Pretty objective comment here and says all you need to know.
I've been eyeing this exact watch for some time now, I'm glad it's finally getting some actual coverage
I was considering a black bay bronze and then bought this. Me and my wallet agree it was the right choice. I was stopped by a Rolex wearer who wanted to talk about the C65, it is that good.
That is quite a compliment! I feel like none of the high end brands really appeal to me anymore after getting my first CW (coming from distinctly lower Tissot and Hamiltons).
I've the discussed Aquitaine, a C63 Sealander GMT with the turquoise blue dial, and a Nebula Purple Twelve. I've been waiting for about a year for the delivery of a Bel Canto which is long past their initial delivery date. I'm also on the list for a Watch Collector's version of the Twelve (30 pieces). I must say that I enjoy the brand but not the unexpected wait for the Bel Canto which has me a bit steamed. As I've got a full gold Submariner, the Aquitaine is more or less the more useful for playing in and under the ocean. I've a couple of Tudors but I've sold off my dive version which were in 41mm. I don't see myself ever going down that road again regardless of the size. Thanks for posting a great review!!
..... I love my C65 Sandhurst ( series 1 ) ...... one of its pluses is the lack of that annoying trident on the second hand .... it truely is a wonderful watch and CW leather straps are excellent quality as well ................
As if I need another bronze diver in my collection… I like it! The Fifty Fathoms vibe looks great and at that price point it would be one of the least expensive COSC-certified pieces. And if you don’t want it to turn green you always have the option of liver of sulphur solution. It’ll turn a nice bluish black instead.
“You had my curiosity. But now you have my attention”.
since you asked about comparison, yes, I'd love to see a comparison with a Seiko. I'm not at all likely to buy one but this CW in bronze looks nice and has excellent finish. I know that recently the Seiko community is "on fire" with criticism of the "quality control" of things like chapter ring alignments, so a compare to a Prospex rather than a GS. Maybe even Seiko's own bronze SNK586 or something like the SPB147
Just bought one a few weeks ago, it looks even better on my wrist. About to order a Bel Canto.
As the owner of. 2 Christopher ward watches, inc a dive watch certified to 600 meters, they seem to be zooming up the acceptance/ recognition scale. Good. They deserve to. John
Must admit to a growing love of CW watches. Love there new styling and prices are good. It's a shame they don't work out some basic distribution network in other countries to avoid the issues with buying from another country and shipping and then also dealing with warranty issues. I know this is the way they keep costs down but I'm sure having just one distribution centre set up in each country would not add much if anything to the costs because in part it reducing the costs and size of the distribution centre and needs in Europe.
my first luxury piece i ordered through them. Supposed to be here this month, but got delayed until November. Apparent parts shortage for the in house sh21 i ordered. Super disappointing in that regard. I want to be upset, I kind of feel played a lil, but the watch was such a damn bargain, and i love CW so much i really cant be mad.
Nice review, thanks. It’s hard to beat CW’s value for money and build quality.
Thank you for the video! Can we get your opinion on Hudson 38 GMT Automatic?
I’m really excited to try these new Christopher Ward watches on at the Windup Watch Fair in Chicago soon
See you there!
@@ChristopherWardWatches awesome!! Will you have them available for sale there as well??
Great looking watch, wonder how the external bronze areas will age compared to the bronze dial details
I tried on this exact watch at the Windup Watch Fair NYC last Oct and I immediately loved it! I also have been saving up for a Black Bay 58 Blue which I love even more. In my mind, the CW is a stepping stone to the Tudor and will likely come down to do I want the watch sooner or later due to having to save up for it?
The glycine combat sub in Bronze would be a nice comparison
Andrew, Seiko vs. CW comparison would be very interesting so yes please.
Great video, you mentioned the reason I don't like Turdor's and the submariner for that manner. The slab sided cases, along with the much higher price tag that isn't worth it to me
Would love a look at one of the smaller dune versions or the ward vs seiko comparison
Great-looking watch. I like many CW watches of the moment. I would definitely consider owning one some day...
Those indices are stunning, and reminiscent of the original GS Spring Drive Diver. Very nice at this price point
I love Christopher Ward watches and im relatively new to the collector bug and I have bought my 1st in a C63 Highlander which I love. I like the look of the bronze C65 but I'm strongly pulling towards a Dartmouth for personal reasons. Thoughts?
I actually got this exact model as my first watch. Really happy so far.
Very nice! In fancy pants bronze, haha! Good one! Though opted for a San Martin Peligos homage to stay within a budget and thus able buy more watches! I'd consider one based on your most excelent review.
I think there is a place for both Tudor and CW, it shouldn't have to be one or the other depending on your means. They both have something different to offer. Blackbay's are gorgeous, and if you're into the engineering/movement side of watches the CW won't be a substitute. However, if movements aren't your thing (i.e. who cares my phone is more accurate) then this watch is hard to ignore at the price.
I bought one last November. I absolutely love it. I had a “bronze” itch I wanted to scratch & this watch was the perfect choice.
I am a CW buyer from pretty much their start. One observation, their movements are not decorated enough to be worth showing - so either cover them up with a solid caseback or move up to the highest grade of movement or do some (more) custom work on the elabore grade.
Love my CW... owned many more mainstream brands and I just keep coming back to look at their watches after buying one... they are amazing!
Christopher Ward have been through their awkward phase and now they are polishing up their quality and proportions to the point they are knocking on Tudor’s door. Apparently the cases are made in the same factory as Tudor’s and you don’t get the poor man’s Rolex baggage with a Christopher Ward. Tudor made more sense a few years ago but the prices have gone up and the quality has gone down and that so called in-house movement is ending up in more and more random brands watches.
"faze"
Jesus
@@wintermute8315 🤦🏻♂️ now I feel stupid 😂
Have the Bel Canto on order. Both the Aquitaine and the Twelve look really sharp. I agree too notch quality but a little meh design wise until recently. Great vid 👍
lovely watch. I see it as a homage to Fifty Fathoms (Bezel) + Sub (indicators). I like it. I wish the clear case back was bigger, the elements inside polished and not a dome glass. that would make it perfect!!!!
A head to head comparison with macro-photography would be a treat.
Perhaps comparing the CW, A Tudor, and an Omega?
Looks very much like some of my Vostok Amphibia mods. Nice!
I love a bezeled diver, but to be frank, a sport watch without a bezel fits my day to day more- and for that reason I love my Black Bay 41 with blue dial.
I've got the C65 Trident GMT with the Pepsi bezel, one of my favorite watches.
I have the C63 GMT and (while I don’t have a vast or expensive watch collection) it’s basically the only watch I have worn since I got it.
"It's so good, they named an entire age after it." HAHAHAHA
What will they make from the Stone Age lol
@8:17 '...disney treating star war...'🤣 oh you got me there
After trying to decide what my next watch would be for more than a year I actually got this watch. Was considering Longines Legend Diver in bronze. But in the end liked this one better. Mins runs only 1sec off/day. Great and beautiful watch. Looks much better in real life than in pictures.
Did you like this one better because it is more or did you like it more because it is better?
@@hoofarted1 I liked both of them equally. But after doing all the research I couldn't understand why Longines would cost double the price of this CW. Longines, Oris, etc give 30%+ to the retailer. So that's where big part of the money goes. Plus the brand name adds to the price. In terms of watch for money I saw CW as an incredible deal.
There were some risks associated with CW though. There are MANY bad reviews about the customer service. But I realized living in Europe I don't really have to worry about it. Because the customers are almost always protected here. So even if things went wrong and the problem wasn't solved by the customer service I could always get everything sorted by reaching out to the correct institutions.
I've had the watch since April and it's incredibly good.
Thanks for not showing all the models you were mentioning and instead having endless b-roll of the same watch👍
Looks great! Sadly i am staying in Thailand and i can't trust the custom here to make the purchase online...
The Aquitaine is more reminiscent of a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Very little design similarities with the Black Bay. Great watches, all three.
the first CW that caught my attention was the C1 Moonglow. Still nothing looks like it!
Saving for the sand dial/blue bezel gmt as we speak ❤
Love seeing Christopher Ward hey love here. Wonderful watch brand.
How about the sealander? Looks good too!
Aquitaine is a historical region forming the southwestern corner of France, bordering Spain and the Atlantic - as in Eleanor of Aquitaine. When Judith Keppel won £1million, on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, Chris Tarrant asked the question, "which king was married to Eleanor of Aquitaine?"
I don't know why but I love this watch, the look of it, the finish of it and all these details and surfaces.
I love my C63 Sealander GMT with a white face, absolute gem of a sports watch and gives off OG Explorer 2 vibes without being a straight up homage watch.
CW is on a huge come up!
They seem to be in that "can't do anything wrong" faze. I love it.
Sign me up for the dune, in green and beige.
I own the GMT C65 Aquitaine as well as two other Christopher Ward watches. I have yet to run across a watch in $1,000 to $1,500 range has a build quality equal too or better than CW.
I really really like how the case looks from the side but wish there was a bronze bezel with green face variant. Not a fan of colored bezels. Otherwise near perfect for the price . Lovely detail and balance
I have the original black bay (the Tudor Rose version) and last month bought the Sandhurst 2 from CW as I wanted a mechanical every day watch. It's a great watch and a steal for the price of €1200. Although If I didn’t already have the black bay, I’d have probably bought this instead.
I am patiently waiting for my CW's to arrive, the excitement is building . I've held the bronze aquitaine, and tried it on, it is a lovely watch, however I don't like rose gold .
I've always liked the "hands" videos but I noticed on this one the pauses are just a tad...too...long compared to prior vids. The macro content still does not disappoint!
What are you wearing? And what’s the straps you have on?
I really want the Twelve to be released in bronze as I don't think anyone makes an integrated bronze watch yet
Your writing is next level. keep it up
I have had several CW watches, superb quality and value. Would love your thoughts on the C63 Sealander GMT
Do you think you will take a look at the CW Moonglow in the future??? Would love to here your opinion on it.
The thing is the Tudor will hold its value and could go up in value as a heritage piece to pass down.
My C65 trident diver is unbeatable quality for the money and looks good with the antique leather, rubber or nato strap for any occasion. The only question is which CW to get next.
Their Malvern C5 mk2 was incredible value years back but it's only recently that they've been consistently knocking out bangers. Yet still somehow they're not very popular out there. Weird.
I have this watch C65 Aquitaine Bronze and the Tudor Black Bay Bronze. I wear both in similar situations and more compliments (if you care about such things) on the Christopher Ward. In the end, even being a CW fan, I like the Tudor more because I respect the internal movement and engineering required to have your own movement. Both are great watches though and I do wear the CW in more places without worry of theft or damage.
Do you recognize a difference in altering of the case, or is the case metal quality comparable?
Enjoy wearing both of them.
@@petrnovak8143 the weathering on the Tudor is much better looking, earthier and subtle. The bronze on CW has more copper I think and is more obvious.
That CW Aquitaine looks like a very nice Fifty Fathoms homage, whereas, the Black Bay 58 is a highly competent personality vacuum of a watch.
I am a fan of CW. The chicken watch, sorry "The Belcanto" is beautiful, stunning even and has lifted CW up in a lot of people's eyes. Yes, i like the watch you have there but i am not a fan of bronze but the all steel one would definitly be a watch i would like one day to have in my collection. At the moment im looking for an Omega Seamaster, which i hope to own soon. I have to save my pennies and to be honest i will only be getting a pre owned one.
Looks really smart ,,, I just dont know if Id love the unique patina of a bronze watch for what it is , or hate the fact Id like it to be shiny all the time , or not. A tough choice to have , but a nice problem to be stuck with.
I love TAG Heuer Aquaracer but I can’t justify spending 3k on a watch when I can have CW of the same quality and with same movement for £800.
That’s the problem with CW. It makes it obvious we are suckers.
I really like the design of CW. I am considering buying my first entry level luxury watch and the only one I can afford is a tudor black bay which I really like. I like both watched equally design-wise but if I want in-house movement and history I have to go with the tudor. I also like some Oris watches but I believe Tudor ranks higher as more luxury brand. Any other suggestions on an entry luxury brand watch at around 3-4K?
Honestly, if you can afford the Tudor just get the Tudor. I bought my Bb58 in blue a year ago and I would not trade it down for anything. I was looking at Oris at first as well, but they are expensive for what they are Imo. You will not regret the black bay.
Christopher Ward are like the Samsung of watch brands. They simply throw all sorts of variations and models/colours and occasionally tripe, at the market and try to see what sticks. And a lot their watches aren't in stock anyway, so it's all run a bit like a slightly quicker Kickstarter project.
CW are really raising the bar for sub £1500 watches. That watch is so good looking that i think it could be considered ahead of some established watches at twice the price instead of just being considered if you can't afford a watch at twice the price.
Beautiful watch, I was shocked it wasn't a new Black Bay
I can't wait for a review of their C65 Dune models
Looks almost identical to the Oris 65 with date.. very good looking but theres very little original here in the looks department. Great for the price with some good features.
Great.... now I need a bronze watch. Thanks for that....