Just love the way you present the gospel my brother, because when we have fallen knowing that our God has sealed us, gives us great hope, I know that most of these denominations say that we just want to have a license to sin, I know Myself that I have disappointed my father constantly but I don’t want to, so I thank him daily for what he has done for me,
Ephesians 2 8-9 "For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH- and this is NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT FROM GOD-- NOT by WORKS, so that NO ONE CAN BOAST.
Its such a crystal clear verse but people REFUSE to believe it because they are so prideful & think they can earn it by their own righteousness that is in the flesh🤦🏽♂️
@@TheTrueSonOfFire & Here comes the heretics who hate the blood of Jesus. We arent saved by faith and works! Romans 11:6 says we're either saved by FULLY WORKS or FULLY GRACE. One or the other...There are no contradictions in the bible🤦🏽♂️ you people refuse to trust in christ alone, smh
So, in Acts 2:37 they asked " What must we do"? and you would have said " nothing"? You "merit " your salvation when you do what you want to be saved, like faith only. But when you obey the Lord and do what he says, you are not earning your salvation, it is called "faith". Romans 3:27 says boasting is excluded in the law of faith and did you know that baptism is of the law of faith? Gal 3:26-27 and Col 2:12 so boasting is excluded in baptism and is not of the works of Eph 2, which btw is talking about works of the law......just keep reading. It says faith through grace, what happens if you no longer have grace? Gal 5:4 says you can FALL FROM GRACE.....will you still be saved?
It baffles me that these people that teach lordship salvation, always believe that they are saved and somewhat sinless, and always judge other people so harshly that it's like they don't want the "sinners" to be saved...to me, they are just carnal in their thinking and don't understand how complete the sacrifice of our Lord was, thinking they can add or subtract from the righteousness that comes through the blood of Jesus.
They are afraid that God will be hoodwinked into letting "sinners" into Heaven, not realizing how sinful they are themselves, nor that God has other ways of dealing with misbehaving children
Well said. The whole thing is, and always has been, disturbing to me. Lordship salvation is why I rejected "Christianity" to begin with. It was clear people who cling to this false doctrine are extremely self righteous.
@cassiebennet4262 Lordship Salvation as some call it means that we by the anointing of the Holy Spirit recognize Jesus for who He is and give Him the honor that He is due by surrendering to Him in obedience. He wants our total commitment. He has earned it; He is worthy of it. Ultimately, this is how our walk with Christ should begin, by recognizing and confessing sin and that He is Lord. The term Lord means someone to be obeyed. If He is, we as His sheep will follow our Shepherd. John 10:14,27 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. It's not adding works as proof, its a unquenchable desire for living for and pleasing Jesus that will produce good fruit. It's loving Him because He first loved us and gave himself for us This is how salvation is obtained, by repentance and this very recognition. We are all Under the Lordship of Jesus or the lordship of satan. They both have opposing kingdoms. There is no in between. Romans 6:14-15 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, [satan's lordship] or of obedience unto righteousness?[Jesus's Lordship]
I'm glad when I got saved back in 1977 that nobody ever told me I could lose it. I read the Bible through and never once thought the Bible taught that you could lose salvation. All these years later I now KNOW the Bible never once teaches you can lose your eternal salvation that is given to you as a free gift by grace because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross. I believed what Jesus did for me at Calvary and God forgave ALL my sins in an instant. I'm not going to heaven now because of how well I've lived since April 3, 1977, but because Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life and became the perfect sacrifice for sins as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. It is a disgrace to grace to add anything to the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins either to get saved or to keep ourselves saved.
Hebrews 10:37-39 For yet a little while, And He who is coming will come and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Bob, Fantastic rebuttal, using the same Scripture verses they use to say we can lose our salvation. I have a not so short story for you that happened to me many years ago. I grew up being brought by my dear Mother to church from the time I could walk. I distinctly remember "knowing" I could lose my salvation if I went "HAM" and lost my "Way". So, fast forward to around the time I was in my late teens and my girlfriend and I were not so genuinely serious about our commitment to the Lord, and unfortunately she became pregnant and just sent us into a tailspin, trying to figure out how this was all going to turn out. Well, Unbeknownst to me, my girlfriend and her family had decided on the horrible act of terminating the pregnancy without talking to me about it (because of course even in the late 80, a woman and her family could make the decision on her own without the involved father) When I found out, I pleaded with her not to go through with it, that if she agreed I and my Parents would raise the child. She said she would think about it and call me back. Since she lived a little over 30 miles away from me and I had a job I wasnt able to get her to talk to me. 4 days after she said she'd call me back I got her on the phone at which time she told me the termination was done! I was in shock! I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. (I mean I was no where near being what I thought a capable father should be, but I knew in my heart I couldn't let this happen.) I knew it was wrong and looking back today and many times over the years ive wondered what more could I have done. I have come to forgive myself for my youthful failings but I told that story to say this. 1. I believe that I was saved by Grace at the age of 13 and held my faith close to my heart, going as far as to destroy secular Music albums I had treasured as a kid. 2. I was brought up to believe Human Life was very Special. But I had been a part of something that violated that very deep seated Belief, That Life can NOT just be cast aside like a broken chair or an appliance that is worn out. 3. And that brings me to the conclusion. The "Thing" that changed my mind about my Eternal Salvation. IF I, tortured myself about what had happened and how wrong it was... Well Of Course!... GOD would never Cast You or Me outside of his House, in effect committing a "Spiritual Abortion"... Impossible! We don't believe in abortion and that comes from GOD himself. Final answer: Eternal Security. Because he Will Never cast us out after having Paid the Heaviest Price for US! Thank You My Lord and My GOD. PS thanks again Bob, tonight you reminded me to think about my Eternal Security and How much Ive grown to Love the Thought of it!
You can't lose your salvation. When you lose something, you don't know how it happened. You can most definitely forfeit it, meaning you went back to a life of continuous unrepentant sin, with no desire to change.
@mikebushnell4598 Not if you have experienced the heavenly gifts and you say something like I reject Jesus I I don't believe that His blood cleanses I don't believe in God and go back to a life of continuous sin with no repentance. That would be blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Read Romans 1:21-32 & 2 Peter 2:20-22
One single time. And no, you can’t lose your salvation. If you try to wander away ? He’ll leave the 99 and come searching for you. When he finds you, it’s possible it could be a little painful.
What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ?
@@2Chronicles714_ OSAS was taught by early church fathers, that's why the scriptures has Romans 8:38-39 KJV to reassure us today in English. The problem is the Catholic church has kept you in the dark for many years, you think OSAS is a new concept. Not to mention the new Bible versions skew up the doctrine too. Sad.
@@adamlemons7909 Interesting, so in your mind those who have faith in Christ are in the Father's hand and in Jesus hand, and He is waiting to throw us out. Never mind our righteousness is as filthy rags. Never mind if we break one law we have broken all. Never mind the Lord will chasten those who He loves. God's promise of salvation is temporary in your mind.
@@goodshorts no, I believe that my Father is loving and forgiving as well as wrathful and vengeful. I believe He is all powerful and capable of things that my finite mind couldn’t possibly understand or explain. My hope is that when I stand before Him I will either understand everything or simply won’t care as I fall on my face before Him. What I am willing to do which most Christians aren’t, and all denominations won’t is admit that I simply do not know. I read, I study, I pray, I believe and I try to live by the teachings and principles that Christ Himself showed us in Scripture. I do know without question that in the end we all will find out the truth and just how right or wrong we were. I also believe that God wishes no one to perish and that if we do so we do so only by our own decisions. How that works I couldn’t tell you and I wouldn’t even presume that I had the wisdom of God that such things might require to fully understand.
A few questions about always saved? 1) Does God warn Christians for real or just for play? 2) Can a “Christian” walk away from their salvation? 3) Will God violate “your will” if you don’t want to be in covenant relationship with Him anymore? 4) So, are all the warnings in the Bible to “believers”, like in Revelation 22:18-19, to be considered as just another heavenly “scare tactic” because God didn’t really mean it?
The moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the cross we are save Forever sealed and batized into the body of Crist impossíble to lose salvation
The Demons just believed to. It is to live holy and if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father! So living in will full sin will not get you into heaven. No one yes..... can take you from God, but you can walk off from it just Like Demos did, having loved this present world. In Revelation 22:9 says that if you take away words of this prophecy then he will blot out your name in the Lambs Book of Life! People read your Word from God, not from men that tickles the ears.. He said Watch and Pray that you be counted worthy to ecape. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals , nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God. You cant live Like a Hypocrite and expect to be ready for Heaven.
You’re only saved one time and once you’re saved, you’re always saved. Look at these men lost forever. They have no idea they’re going to hell they have no idea unless of course they repent.
DEAREST older brother Bob, THE JOY OF OUR LORD CANNOT BE HIDDEN IN YOU. IT TOUCHES OUR spirit here. In Arkansas. Oh Bob He says to us, "the. work is not in vain" The Love of Christ constrains us. Love you dear brother, believe me. Affectionately you brother and servant, Barry Maranatha!
The Bible teaches that the condition for eternal life is active faith in Christ. If you trust in Him, you’re saved. If you don’t trust on Him, you’re not saved. If someone did have faith, but no longer does, that person is not saved. Why do we need to complicate this?
-> Hebrews has some very powerful Once Saved Always Saved verses: ---------------------------- Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ---------------------------- Hebrews 10:10 - By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Hebrews 10:11 - And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:13 - From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. ---------------------------- -> So anyone who is currently saved can never lose it because they are eternally redeemed, sanctified once for all, and perfected for ever!
Hebrews 3:6-19 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, (IF) indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.,7So as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, (IF) you hear his voice, 8do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness, 9where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did. 10That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.’ 11So I declared on oath in my anger, [‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”] 👉12 See to it brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.👈 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, (IF] indeed we hold our original conviction firmly TO THE VERY END. 15As has just been said: “Today, (IF) you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.” 16. Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that THEY WOULD NEVER ENTER HIS REST (IF) NOT TO THOSE WHO DISOBEYED? 19 So we see that THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ENTER, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF. Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Also Hebrews 13:20:”Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
@@2Chronicles714_ @2Chronicles714_ How much repentance gets the job done ? You don't know , nor CAN you . Nor any mere human holding to a works righteousness soteriology . Quantify that for us in purely Objective terms . Repentance is turning from sins, and walking in righteousness . Behavioral performance . In all 55 NT usages of Metanoia and its cognate. It is undeniably works . It is never found in any Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture . Not once . It is not faith , the only condition of receiving the free gift of endless Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture . Your homework assignment - that you've never completed - was to exegetically produce the following : 1. "Whosoever repents (turns from an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death will be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom " . And : 2."Whosoever that doesn't repent (turns from an Unknowable level of sins till death) goes to the endless lake of fire" . *** You must Necessarily provide these abovementioned passages in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture . Or , your affirmation is Necessarily refuted . Further , you must Necessarily provide the Objectively verifiable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavior (works) that will earn/be paid for/be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom. Still waiting for the data . Your affirmation therefore remains utterly unclear and lacks the slightest shred of evidence . So , it once again seems clear that your Object and Content of "faith" is your perseverance till death in an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) , rather than His doubtless Guarantee of unending Everlasting Life. The following undeniable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passages of Scriptures must Necessarily have the above-mentioned 2 passages , or the evidence of their absence Necessarily refutes your proposition : John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; the book of Galatians .
So, can a believer become an unbeliever? if so, will they still be saved? Like in John 6 when disciples walked with Jesus no more, were they still saved? Can one be severed from Christ? Fall from GRACE? and still be saved? Gal 5:4 Can one DEPART FROM THE FAITH? Giving heed to deceitful spirits? and doctrine of demons? 1 Timothy 4:1 and still be saved? If God takes away your share in the tree of life and the holy city, Rev 22:19 will you still be saved? Be faithful unto death, and God will give you the crown of life Rev 2:10. So, if I am not faithful? will God give me the crown of life? He who CONQUERS shall thus be clad in white garments, and I will NOT BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE". Rev3:5 so, If I DO NOT CONQUER, WILL MY NAME BE BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE Any one who does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God, 2 John 1:9 so, if I do not abide in his doctrine? will I be saved? Any one who hates his brother is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him 1 John 3:15 So, if I hate my brother, will I be saved? He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 1 John 2:4 so if I disobey his commandments I am a liar, am I still saved? the truth is not in me, am I still saved? Walk in the light as he is in the light and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin 1John 1:7 So, if I do not walk in the light, will the blood of Christ cleanse me? Jesus said, " Every man who hears these word of mine and does them will be like a wise man Matt7:24 So, if I do the words of Jesus am I earning my salvation? Then Jesus said, " Every man who hears my words and does not do them is a foolish man.." so if I do not do his words, will I be saved? Matt 7:21 " Not everyone who says Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER"....so, If I do the will of the Father, am I earning my salvation? will I be saved if I do not obey the Fathers will? We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith James 2 and saved by faith when we have been baptized into Christ, Gal 3:26-27 and it says in Col 3:1 after we have been raised up with Christ in baptism, TO SEEK THE THINGS ABOVE......
Dr Wilkin , I appreciate you addressing Gallagher. He engages with the Greek. See his interactions with Trey Fisher. When I debated Travis Thomas ( church of Christ) he deferred to Gallagher. I think Ak Richardson depends on his exegesis as well.
@@TheLaymansSeminary What does that denote , precisely ? "Not yet" a Focused Free Grace" person ... don't know what that means , quite honestly . Please clarify .
1 Corinthians 5:5 “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Any thoughts on this verse?
Yeah that should tell you right there that you can't lose your salvation....here is a verse not many people seem to use....the Bible says if you offend in one point of the law....you are guilty of the whole law....here is something else I believe....it is our soul and spirit that GOD saves...NOT our flesh .....no flesh shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven....one more that I have come up with myself is this....JESUS told Nicodemus....yee must be born again.....once a person is born....it's kinda hard to walk around telling people you weren't born......
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Finally someone who acknowledges hebrews 10:39 we are NOT of them who draw back, we believe to the saving of the soul. False teachers refuse to read the first chapter where it's talking about levitical sacrifices which can not take away sin and how Jesus paid for sins once for all and perfected forever them that are sanctified. hebrews 10 proves OSAS thank you
@aletheia8054 .....verse 39 is a statement of faith by paul to those he is writing to but this verse also indicates that there are those who will draw back unto perdition. "we are not of them".....who is them? Them that draw back unto perdition. So we see that it is possible.
Can someone please help me ! I was born again at 19 but fell away from the faith eventually into new age beliefs like reincarnation and I remained in this belief for 25 years but 9 months ago after a health crisis I realized I needed God and came back to faith however I’m not sure I can be saved because I fell away into unbelief because of deceptions of false doctrines. I never stood up and renounced Jesus or God but after seeing CZcams videos and reading intellectual things I began to question whether Jesus existed. I feel so horrible that I somehow forgot who Jesus was and fell into unbelief and I’m also terrified that now I’m damned 😥 worst part of all is I didn’t even realize what I was doing I believed the new age lies all the light and love garbage. I never even knew I was without God because I thought God was the universe. This is so horrifying because I never ever meant to hurt or offend God 😥😥 buy according to Hebrews I cannot have repentance if that’s what Hebrews means ? Can someone please comment 🙏✝️
How Do I Know I Am Saved? - Bob Wilkin czcams.com/video/HA2vG_r2bgg/video.html Does Hebrews 10:38-39 Say A True Believer Can Fall Away? - Bob Wilkin & Philippe Sterling czcams.com/video/EIULBu-Dzro/video.html What is the Punishment Worse than Death? - Hebrews 10:28-31 - Bob Wilkin czcams.com/video/loP0rrYlhjY/video.html
I want to thank you all! I have studied the subject and battled back-and-forth with it for many years and through the comments on this video I am now thoroughly convinced that the theology of once saved always saved is an error and not scripturally defendable. Thank you and blessings!
Have you watched the video? This video is a defense of OSAS, not a disputation of it. Which scripture in your mind is the single strongest proof against OSAS? Please explain how that verse is explaining the loss of salvation. OSAS is biblical: John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (Joh 5:24) John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (Joh 11:25-26) John 6:47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." (Joh 6:47) Acts 16:31 "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Act 16:31) 1 John 3:23 "And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1Jn 3:23) John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." (Joh 8:24) John 6:29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (Joh 6:29) 1 Corinthians 1:21 "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." 1 John 5:1 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1Jn 5:1) John 3:15 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." (Joh 3:15) John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Joh 3:16) John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (Joh 3:36) Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Rom 10:9) Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom 10:10) Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Acts 10:43 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." 1 John 5:5 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" Romans 4:5 "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." John 14:12-14 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." 1 John 5:10-13 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1Jn 5:10-13) Romans 11:23 "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
@@lyndashields4185 no, I absolutely believe that Christ is, was, and will be the one and only sacrifice and that belief in Him and that sacrifice is the only way we can come to the Father or eternity. Believing that God has the power to reject and our free will gives us the choice to forfeit our salvation has nothing to do with the sacrifice Christ made or its relevance and utter necessity.
Ok so how can you be granted 'something eternal" if it's only "temporary"? They defies the very definition. God does the saving. We have no part, we merely accept it. If you have true repentance and accept the gift, you can't give it back, it's not yours to give. There are loads of scriptures that show this. And how about this for you as well, about not what the Bible says, but what it doesn't say. Can you find a single example of anyone that was saved, sealed with the holy spirit, where they decided they were forfeiting their salvation, and the Bible describes them being stripped of the holy spirit? Surely LOTS of people would be moving in and out of salvation over time, yet not a single example of this happening? That says a lot. Because it doesn't happen. Eternal life when given, is ETERNAL of God is a liar. Be at peace knowing this. Goode evening,
Adam you are actually saying that Lord Jesus is a liar, a deceiver, a fraud, a sinner, and not God! I know He is none of those, and I am perfectly presumptuous that Lord Jesus is truthfull and means what He says, and furthermore when He saved me, He immediately made good on another of His promises (" all His promises are yes and yes and amen and amen") and that is He made me "KNOW" IT. 1 JN 5:13. YOU MADE A STATEMENT WITHOUT BRINGING ANY CONTEXTUAL QUOTES FROM MY SAVIOUR JESUS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS: DO YOU "KNOW" (not think) but "KNOW" THAT LORD JESUS PROMISES TO GIVE US A "2nd spirit of fear again to bondage" ? No you do not know dear Adam, because He says the exact opposite of that. You really think Christ came down to give us a 2nd spirit of FEAR UNTO BONDAGE AGAIN? You know, like the 1st spirit of fear you got from Adam when you realized your sins "already condemned" you John 3:18 My secure forever Lord Jesus told and produced in me "a spirit of ADOPTION, WHERE I CRY DADDY FATHER." TO THOSE SAINTS WHOSE MINDS ARE HABITUALLY IN SCRIPTURE, THEY ARE AWARE WHERE THIS TRUTH IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. ROMANS, " YOU HAVE NOT (DID YOU HEAR WHAT MY SAVIOUR JESUS SAYS, DID YOU LITERALLY HEAR HIM OR NOT) RECEIVED A spirit OF FEAR "AGAIN" (DID YOU HERE HIM, DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM OR NOT?) UNTO Bondage, BUT A spirit OF ADOPTION WHEREBY WE CRY ABBA FATHER." CAN YOU SEE THAT LORD JESUS SAYS WHEN HE SAVES A SOUL, THAT YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A 2ND "spirit OF FEAR AGAIN..." DO YOU SEE THE WORD AGAIN! THAT MEANS AT TRUE CONVERSION, NOT ONLY DOES THE FATHER, LORD JESUS, and HOLY SPIRIT ENTER IN AN SEAL US FOREVER, BUT YOU ALSO RECEIVE A 2nd small "s" spirit. It's all over in the New Testament. "He has PERFECTED forever (how long did Lord Jesus say Adam? He has (past tense) perfected forever, forever, forever, THOSE THAT ARE BEING SANCTIFIED." THE FIRST CLAUSE IS SALVATION, THE SECOND CLAUSE IS SANCTIFICATION. "PERFECT LOVE CAST OUT FEAR. FOR FEAR HAS TORMENT, AND THE ONE WHO FEARS HAD NOT BEEN MADE "PERFECT" IN THE LOVE OF GOD." YOU ARE CLAIMING BY YOUR COMMENT (AND WITHOUT ANY CONTEXTUAL TEACHING OF LORD JESUS) THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PERFECT IN THE LOVE OF GOD. WE PRAY FATHER YOUR WILL COME TO JESUS NOW FOR SALVATION BEFORE ITS ETERNALLY TOO LATE FOR YOU, OR, IF HE HAS SAVED YOU, TRANSLATED YOU FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, FROM CORRUPTIBLE SEED TO INCORRUPTIBLE, FROM DEATH TO LIFE ETC, THAT YOU WILL LET THE SPIRIT COMFORT YOU THAT JESUS HAS ETERNALLY SECURED YOU IN, BY, AND THROUGH HIMSELF ONLY. IN MY KING YESHUAS AGAPE' ADAM, BELEIVE ME. DID HE EVER TELL US THAT HE WILL UNBORN US AGAIN! DID HE EVER PROMISE ME THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD WOULD NOT BE IN ME AND WITH ME FOREVER! DID HE EVER TELL US HE WOULD TAKE HIMSELF (ETERNAL LIFE) OUT OF ME! DID HE EVER TELL US HE WOULD RE-TRANSLATE ME FROM LIFE BACK TO DARKNESS! DID HE EVER TELL ME I WOULD GO BACK TO THIRSTING FOREVER AGAIN, OR HUNGER FOREVER AGAIN! DID HE EVER TELL ME OR US THAT AFTER HE GAVE ME THE NEW BIRTH AND CHANGED ME FROM Corruptible SEED TO INCORRUPTABLE, THAT HE WOULD PUT ME BACK TO Corruptible SEED AGAIN! DID HE EVER TELL ME THAT WHEN I Believed AND WAS "SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE WHO IS THE EARNEST OF MY INHERITANCE UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION OF THE "PURCHASED" POSSESSION, THAT HE WOULD TAKE THE SPIRIT OUT AND UN-PURCHADE AND UN-REDEEMEM ME! DID HE EVER TELL ME THAT WHEN HE " HAS (PAST TENSE ALREADY DONE, JUSTIFICATION TO LIFE) PERFECTED FOREVER (DID YOU HEAR LORD JESUS' WORD AND PROMISE, ARE YOU LISTENING TO HIM? DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH OR TELLING YOU A LIE? DID HE TELL ME THAT IN JOHN 5:24 ONCE HE SAVED ME AND SECURED ME FOREVER IN, BY, AND THROUGH HIMSELF ONLY, THAT " HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, YOU WILL NEVER, NEVER,NEVER, COME INTO CONDEMNATION, BUT HAS (AGAIN LISTEN TO LORD JESUS, HAS Already PASSED FROM DEATH INTO LIFE," THAT HE WILL PASS ME BACK INTO DEATH, AND CONDEMNATION, AND UN DO HIMSELF IN ME! SIR EITHER YOU ARE STILL IN A ETERNALLY CONDEMNED STATE JOHN 3:18, OR YOU ARE TRULY SAVED BY JESUS AND HAVE NOT ALLOWED THE SPIRIT TO COMFORT YOU IN YOU SECURITY IN, BY, AND Through CHRIST ONLY! IF YOU ARE STILL LOST, THEN YOU ONLY HAVE THE Spirit of FEAR TO Bondage, ROMANS. IF CHRIST HAS TRULY SAVED YOU AND YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YOUR ETERNAL STANDING AS SECURED IN HIM ONLY, THEN YOU ARE STILL LIVING IN THE ADAMIC spirit OF FEAR TO BONDAGE. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM THAT CHRIST WAS A FAILURE, (FOR IN ESSENCE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, ALTHOUGH NOT Deliberately) THEN YOU MUST SHOW WHERE CHRIST IS IN ERROR CONTEXTUALLY AS THESE SCRIPTURES CONTEXTUALLY ATTEST TO THAT HE HAS PROMISED ME, ANS ALL THE SAINTS ETERNAL SECURITY IN, BY, AND THRIUGH HIM ONLY. ADAM, WHY DO YOU THINK ADAM AND EVE COULD NOT GET BACK INTO EDEN. LET THE LORD ANSWER US. BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE. BUT THEN BEFORE REDEMPTION BY CHRIST WAS COMPLETE, THEY WOULD HAVE PERPETUATED SIN IN GODS PRESENCE FOREVER, AND HE COULD NOT CONDEMN THEM, OR CAST THEM OUT. BECAUSE, TAKING FROM THE TREE OF LIFE WAS ETERNALLY SECURING THEM AND GOD CANNOT REVERSE THAT. THAT TREE OF LIFE REPRESENTED CHRIST. THAT IS WHY THE ANGEL Guarded IT!!!! THERE WAS A CHERUBIM AT EDEN, MANY ON THE VEIL IN THE HOLY PLACE, AND 2 MORE ON THE ARK IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES. PLEASE STUDY WHY. AND SO AS IN THE TREE OF LIFE IN EDEN, SO WHEN CHRIST SAVES, HE SAVES ONCE AND FOR ALWAYS, HE CANNOT REVERSE IT. JUST LIKE IF ADAM AND EVE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN AND EATEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE! ADAM, THIS IS LORD JESUS' PROMISE TO YOU, AD IT WAS TO ME 47 YEARS AGO ONE NIGHT IN MY BEDROOM: " HE THAT HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES ON HIM THAT SENT ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. YOU WILL NEVER COME INTO CONDEMNATION, BUT HAD PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE. ONLY LORD JESUS CAN PERFECT YOU IN THE LOVE OF GOD. LET HIM.
a crown of life is not salvation. A crown is a reward you may or may not receive when you get to heaven. Many people in heaven won't receive a reward because their doctrine is so bad, that they never really win any souls to Christ, instead they discourage them from trusting in the Book. Sounds like you're reading an NIV, or any of these "modern" corrupt Bibles.
The The three crosses in the bible prove once saved always saved. The thief on the cross on the right went to heaven, he never took the sacraments, he never went to church, he never was baptized, he never said the rosary, he broke the commandments, he didnt keep the law, He woke up in heaven. Because Jesus died on the cross for all sins for everyone. and said it is finished. so once saved always saved. The church of christ will get to heaven if saved and be the ones that are very surprised. for they do not rightly dived the Word of God. With Scripture with Scripture. Colossians 2:11-12: Once you have accepted Christ by faith, you are cut off from your sins. No matter what kind of “unforgivable” sin you may commit, you still have no sins in you. You’re forgiven from all sins in the past, and you are free from all sins in the future. You are saved, even if you commit the most numerous or heinous sins. John 10:27-30: Christ and God the Father have you in their hands. Christ said once you belong to Him, no one can pluck you out of His or God the Father’s hands. It is impossible then that anyone or anything can have the power to pluck you out of God’s hand. Romans 8:38-39: God said that absolutely nothing in this universe, life, or time can separate you from the love of God in Christ Jesus. You cannot separate yourself from Christ with anything, no matter how hard you try. John 1:12: God says that once you received Christ, you are a son of God. Let me ask you, “If your father bore you, you are his son, right? Let’s say that you hate your father and you separate yourself from him. Does this mean that you are still not his son?” Of course, not! It’s the same thing with God and you. Since you are God’s son, you cannot undo your “son-ship” from God. Ephesians 1:13: The Bible says once you believed on Christ, you are sealed by the Holy Ghost. Never did the Bible say that once you are sealed, the Holy Ghost can un-seal you. Once the Bible says you are sealed, you are sealed! Nothing more or less. Once the Holy Ghost seals you, there is no possible way that you can un-seal and overpower God the Holy Ghost. I Corinthians 12:12-27: The Bible says that you are a member of the body of Christ. God said it is impossible to lose a member of Christ’s body. God also said that there is no schism in the body of Christ (vs. 25); so, no matter what sin you may commit, you are still clean from sin. I John 5:11-13: God said that once you believed on Christ, you have eternal life. “Eternal” means “forever.” Plus, God says that this life is a record (vs. 11). Once something is recorded and eternal, you can’t erase it away. God also says that once you believed, you know that you are saved (vs. 13). It’s impossible to lose your salvation. ETC.....
The problem with these false teachers who teach things like you can lose salvation is that they don't actually believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can truly save them. They don't trust Christ alone. These false teachers are focused on their physical flesh to save them or maintain salvation or otherwise lose salvation due to what their flesh does. They completely disregard the fact that your spirit is what is saved and born of God and your flesh is not saved for eternal life. They read Romans 7 and don't understand the two natures. 1 John 5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
This issue goes away if these people understood right division, i.e. who is being spoken to. James is written to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, JEWS, NOT to members of the body of Christ. Paul is our apostle not Peter nor any of the other 11 Jewish apostles. John the Baptist's, Jesus', Peter's and the other 11 apostles teaching is FOR us. We can learn from them just like we can learn from history. Only Paul was given the doctrines for today in the dispensation of the grace of God.
The great evil is believing all men are born sinners, This sets the tone of discussion, it introduces a caveat into our reasoning which perverts logical argument, and diminishes man's personal responsibility.
well, we know babies don't go to hell when they die, but once they acknowledge they've sinned against God the child is accountable. Christ died for SINNERS.
I think we can lose our salvation if we become apostates who viciously attack Jesus and the Faith. But I don't think we walk a tightrope when it comes to salvation. We aren't phasing in and out of salvation if we mistakenly sin. If we're in a loving relation with Jesus, then we don't want to sin. God is not capricious or fickle. When we actively stand on The Rock, then we are saved. God doesn't want us to be paranoid about salvation.
Paul on 1 Corinthians 9:27 is beating his body in to submission not to be disqualified of winning others to Christ and be rendered useless. The 9th chapter is talking about winning others for Christ. 2 Peter 2 the whole chapter is about false teachers. They may have had an experience, but not necessarily real conversion. On the 22nd verse it reads a dog always goes back to its vomit. It doesn't relate to a real Christian. It's a danger to take verse isolated and out of context.
Church of Christ….that about says it all. The same people who insist that you have to be baptized in their church in order to be saved, who don’t believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and who know nothing of the Grace of God. I have experience with these people; they are modern day Pharisees.
yep, apostates. Another group who refuses to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. They will be held accountable at the Judgement Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV)
Strange Jesus,John the Baptist Peter and Paul all tell us we are to be water baptized. Each of them, along with the other disciples and every convert from Acts 2:38 was water baptized. Alone it won't save you. It's to complete your repentance.
@@2Chronicles714_ in the Church of Christ you must be: Water baptized IN THEIR CHURCH.FOR SALVATION. They teach that water baptism is necessary FOR SALVATION. That is NOT what scripture teaches, which is my whole point about the Church of Christ and its doctrines. I can’t make it any clearer than that.
@@2Chronicles714_ Nobody is arguing against that. Scripture teaches very clearly that we should be water baptized - what I'm addressing is the twisting of the Word to suggest water baptism is a requirement in addition to the finished work of Christ for salvation. Are you in the Church of Christ?
"Once Saved Always Saved" is just a way of discussing what eternal means in the promise of Eternal Life; see 1 John 2:25. The Holy Spirit will abide in us and teach us, but God also wants us to abide in the Spirit, not because we'll lose our salvation, but because we'll have confidence of being a faithful servant doing His work when He returns for us. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even ETERNAL life. 26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him ABIDETH in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28 And now, little children, ABIDE in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
James 5:19-20 says that we can save someone...that right there should tell you that he is not talking about salvation from hell; because only God alone can save someone from hell....so that right there proves you guys are wrong. People can save other people from many things, but eternal condemnation is not one of them.
Excellent clarification, Bob . It all comes down to Knowability . It's gotta make sense , for it to be true . That's the definition of Objective truth , that alone renders all Unknowability as impossible to sustain . All subjectivity is thus impossible to sustain as a metric for entrance into His Kingdom . One's purely fallible and entirely Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death never rises to the level of assurance . It Tops Out at Doubt ; the antithesis of faith . Only belief in Him for what He actually certifies (John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,1⁰,11:23-27,20:31) regenerates forever . Not one passage in Scripture contradicts His doubtless Guarantee . Not one passage states : "Whosoever repents (turns from an Unknowable level of sins till death) and kinda?...sorta??...almost always???...completely????...walks in righteousness till death shall be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom". Nor : "Whosoever that doesn't repent (turns from some?...most??...All???...sins till death) shall go to the endless lake of fire". Yet , to exegetically prove any works righteousness soteriology , one must Necessarily produce the above-mentioned . Verifiably - thus Objectively - there exists no such passages . Therefore , the affirmation that one's behavioral performance (works) till death determines one's Everlasting destination is Necessarily untrue . Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; and the book of Galatians remain the insurmountable barrier to any such attempts to "come in some other way" than faith alone In Christ alone FOR His doubtless Promise of endless Life (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .
@@Marshill1715your comment doesn't make any sense. Satan told eve that god was lying and that the forbidden fruit would make them like god. How does that sound like something this brother said?
Yeah you talk too much. Those passages in the gospels about repenting, and entering into the Kingdom is NOT for the born again Christian. That's why you have to pull out passages outside of the Pauline epistles to disprove eternal security, completely ignoring Romans 8:38-39 KJV. Another arrogant wannabe scholar who refuses to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
@@ashtonmmton1554 Because the "brother" is lying or is willfully ignorant to rightly dividing his Bible, and using dispensationalism. Christ was talking to Jews and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, which is NOT the same gospel as the gospel the born again believer is saved under.... the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 KJV) Christ hadnt even died yet to believe in the death, burial and resurrection yet.... Study your Bible to show yourself approved unto God. (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV)
@@kevin9084 i definitely realize what jesus was talking about when saying the kingdom is at hand. Isreal could have entered the kingdom. That doesn't mean he never gave them the same gospel we have. How do you think jews were saved before jesus died on the cross?
It’s hard for me to watch two grown men who profess to be believers almost gleefully with no concern speak about how a believer can lose their salvation! It’s also embarrassing watching these two both agree with each other concerning Scriptures that they do not understand.
@@2Chronicles714_ What they are doing is saying that they do not believe the words of Christ concerning eternal life, and apparently they also do not understand or believe the Gospel we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, or Ephesians 2:8-9 that explains how we are saved, and how we are not saved!
@@Adam-gm5tm This is how to be saved. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins? Acts 2:31-32. Acts1:1-8 Says this teaching is for all,you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth. Luke 24:44-47 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS Starting in Jerusalem. Jesus said: Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Jesus again reaffirms Peter to start the church in John 21:17 The third time he said to him, Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you." "Feed my sheep. Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church. This was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do? 38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Peter again includes Gentiles. Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, So then,even to Gentiles, God has granted REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO LIFE". Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance but now COMMANDETH ALL PEOPLE EVERY WHERE TO REPENT. [Including Gentiles] Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus. Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on the name of the Lord. Paul recounts his encounter with Jesus. Acts 26:18-20 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, SO THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS and a place among those who are SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME.’ 19“So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. 20First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD (believe) and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds/works/lifestyle. Paul again on repentance leading to salvation. 2 Corinthians 7:9-10 Yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because YOUR SORROW LED YOU TO REPENTANCE. For YOU BECAME SORROWFUL as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10GODLY SORROW BRINGS REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO SALVATION and leaves no regret, but worldly SORROW BRINGS DEATH.
Once saved always saved! If we were able to 'lose' our salvation then we were never saved in the first place. It is the grace and mercy of God, provided through the cucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross, that gives salvation. We are expected to live as Jesus has instructed but we may well sin at times. If you sinned and lost your salvation then the salvation was no longer about Jesus and the Cross but about your works and no works can save a man. It's important to understand though: God's grace and mercy is not a blank check to live an intentional sinful life.
The demons just believed to and trembled! 1 John 2:1 And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. You cant live like a Hypocrate and expect to make it to Heaven. Revelation 22:9 If anyone takes from the Words of this Prophecy I will blot out his name in the Lambs Book of Life! And there is a falling away from the truth in the end times. How can you fall away from something that you were never apart of? You need to read your word carefully instead to denominations like the Baptist that believe once saved always saved! That is a lie form hell. I will pray that everybody on here will open their eyes to the truth. Neither fornicators, neither idolaters, neither adulterers will enter into the kindom of heaven.
Well Adam I pray that you will search the scriptures and pray about that God will open your eyes to the truth!! You cant live any way in this world sinfully and make to heaven!! @@Adam-gm5tm
@@2Chronicles714_ you totally missed my point. Salvation is faith in Jesus and what He did on the cross, not by works even though works are fruits of salvation. Jesus talked about general life by believing in Him not by works. I hope that clears things up you.
@user-xq6rj7gh9p I don't advocate works. I stress that If Christ is our Lord we must strive to obey Him. Obedience to Jesus is taught by Jesus Himself as well as Peter and Paul.
@@2Chronicles714_ first off you totally missed my point in my original, and in my second point. Yes obedience is important but salvation comes by believing and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, if salvation is for eternal life why then would believer lose salvation accept by denying Jesus' as Lord and Savior. Jesus said I come that those who believe might have eternal life, did He lie or is salvation eternal.
People are blind and dont get that within Gods people there were always 2 groups...Priests and common people. All those verses spoken here are considering those who teach/preach,not common people.. Jas 5:19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from THE TRUTH, So speaking false Gospel/lies...That´s the sin..Who correct him will cover multitude of sins..Those who will listen to guy and believe his lie Paul speaks also taking good care on what He speaks...Peter also say they came to knowledge,but again spreading lie..Always about priests,teachers,preachers..Not common people.. Mar 12:38 Then He said to them in His teaching, “Beware of the scribes, who desire.... Mar 12:40“who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.” James 3:1My brethren, be not many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. Mat 25:40 “And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’ All about shepherds/teachers/priests..nothing to do with the common people....His little once
If you believe in OSAS then you believe in remarriage after divorce. Jesus said remarriage after divorce is adultery. Paul said only the death of a spouse can someone can get remarry (1 Corinthians 7:39. OSAS says willing to live in adultery is ok because the Jesus and Paul didn't know what they was writing. Imagine living in a adulterous marriage and saying that is ok because "I" believe in OSAS. Read 2 Chronicles 15:2 and John 15 God says the same thing. OSAS says it's ok to divorce and remarry even if the bible says YOU CAN"T. This is a dangerous doctrine to teach christian to live willfully in adultery because someone says it's ok because you can't forfeit your salvation. Just a thought
It’s kind of interesting that King David had many wives living in polygamous adultery, but God had mercy on him a man after God’s own heart. Most of our forefathers of the faith had many wives. In Genesis chapter 1 God said only one man to one wife ! I believe King David, and many of the Bible forefathers will there in heaven.
Dude, King David got remarried many times at least eight times, but God had mercy and grace on him. God‘s law has never changed,only man that can’t follow it has changed, The law of God and the law of Christ are the same, Old Testament or new God‘s law is the same. BTW Jesus did allow for divorce haven’t you read your Bible?
@@sappmason69When Jesus Christ came He shut down Moses law. John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. That why Jesus taught the Sermon on the Mount. Everybody loves Moses but that don't like what Jesus said about divorce and remarriage. Our beloved Paul said the same thing in Corinthian 7:39 It's ok to disagree but I would read what Jesus and the Apostles said.
@freegracejake42 Jesus Christ gave us 2 Laws. Love your God and Lord with all of your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbor. How does one love God with their heart, mind and soul. I would think you obey him and just saying I trust him (Lord) and not obey him isn't love. The Lord love for marriage is one couple forever. Jesus said if a person remarry after divorce is adultery. Living in adultery can't enter the Kingdom of God. Paul says the same thing in Corinthians. So, if OSAS is true then we can just live how we want to but only believe in the death, burial and resurrection. Jesus is our King so I would think we (you) should live by the King(GOD) words. My goal isn't to bash people who got divorce and remarry. My goal is to show that God word says remarriage after divorce is adultery and adultery can't go to heaven. That one of many reasons I don't believe in OSAS.
Wow! Care to debate this? Of those who believe will "never" lose their salvation. But!!! If they turn away and no longer believe, then they are not a part if that "never" scripture. Take care...
Salvation is a life long journey to the end of your natural life. Baptism, which is necessary for salvation erases the stain of original sin and and any personal sins committed, and all punishment for those sins. After Baptism any sins committed have to be forgiven and absolved. Has anybody never committed a sin after Baptism ? Let's say a person is "saved" and cannot lose their salvation. If you do not do the Charitable Works of Mercy then you have lost your salvation. Also, our Lord warns us we will be separated from him forever, unless we meet the needs of the poor and the little ones, who are hes brethren. Are you still saved if you ignore what Christ said ? Of course not. It is no use quoting one piece of Scripture out of context, and ignore all the other ones which are necessary for salvation. Why do Protestants quote some Scripture about salvation, but ignore all the other Scripture regarding salvation ? I think they pick and choose what is comfortable for them.
It's not clear exactly what you're affirming . In the interests of understanding your position , we need to know with utter clarity precisely what it is you're saying is Required to behaviorally perform till death in order to be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom . I've never gotten a response from this question posed to those attempting to defend works righteousness (Obedience/Fruit/Repentance as a turn from an unknowable % of sin until death is NECESSARY to go to His Kingdom) : How good are you ? How good do you have to be to get to His endless Kingdom ? Show us , from Exegesis of Scripture - the unambiguous , precise , objective , doubtless (%) level of behavioral performance (works) NECESSARY per : 1. Second . 2. Minute . 3. Hour . 4. Day . 5. Week . 6 . Month . 7 . Year . 8 . Decade . 9 . Lifetime . I'll wait for your precise , specific , objectively verifiable reply . Make sure that you find this criteria in every Evangelistic/ Justification before God/Everlasting Life passage in Scripture , which would prove that it is indeed NECESSARY .
Not possible to understand once saved always saved correctly unless you understand Apostle Paul is your only apostle and not the 12. Gal 2:7-9. Pretending to be Israel and following law doctrine including the 4 gospels which is for Israel to obey you never will see . Most dont care what Jesus says or james 1:1 says so they cant see the plain truth this goes over mosts head.. Matthew 15:24 KJVS But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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You really address the context of the passages. Your points feel like you were not being faithful to the Scripture in your interpretation. Sounds more like eisegesis
Mathew 19:24 (KJV) 24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
I guess I’m confused as to how “God’s favor” is not synonymous with salvation. It seems to me, if you lose God’s favor, wouldn’t that equate on a practical level to losing salvation?
Can't "lose" an Endless Gift , once received : John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 . Thinking that it's "LOSE-ABLE" is unbelief in Him for what He undeniably Guarantees .
@@timgrady4630 that’s not my question. My question is how the phrase “God’s favor” is not functionally equivalent to salvation. If they are the same, and one can lose God’s favor, then one came lose salvation. It’s hard to imagine how someone can be saved without having God’s favor. I’m generally of the conviction that salvation cannot be lost once received, but this apparent lack of difference would seem to contradict that.
@@ryankelly9032 The Gift of God is a free gift , apart from all perseverance in behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . The Gift itself is given on one condition: faith in the Christ FOR His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/ Justification before God passage in Scripture . Only simple persuasion (belief) accords with unmerited favor (Grace) . Paul specifically designates the sole instrument that acquires the Forever Gift: ..."therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) . One has "fallen from grace" when one is attempting to be Justified before God by works , in context . Precisely what the Judaizers in the book of Galatians were doing , as Dr. Wilkin pointed out .
@@ryankelly9032 @ryankelly9032 The Gift of God is a free gift , apart from all perseverance in behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . The Gift itself is given on one condition: faith in the Christ FOR His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/ Justification before God passage in Scripture . Only simple persuasion (belief) accords with unmerited favor (Grace) . Paul specifically designates the sole instrument that acquires the Forever Gift: ..."therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) . One has "fallen from grace" when one is attempting to be Justified before God by works , in context . Precisely what the Judaizers in the book of Galatians were doing , as Dr. Wilkin pointed out .
Ephesians 1 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹³ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, ¹⁴ Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:13-14 reminds us that we are sealed in the Holy Spirit. This permanency means you cannot lose your salvation (Rom 8:35-39). Guaranteed security, established ownership and reflective authority are three benefits of the sealing presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. Salvation cannot be lose because we are safe in the hand of Christ. (John.10:28-29)
I’m so greatfull for vids like these, it’s through vids and articles like these from you guys that I came to believe John 3:16 really is true. Keep jt up.
you really haven't proven those scriptures to be wrong as taught by those of the Church of Christ. What you have proven is that appears to be no real consequence for continuing in sin without repentance. Where is the need to COP? We all die physically anyway. How can one who is grafted in because of the unbelief of the chosen, and then because of unbelief be cut off, still retain salvation? I'm sure you have a way of twisting this one around too.
I have listened to those two in the video at length on other issues and thought they knew what they were talking about. I guess they really DO NOT. What I had to back-up-and-do-a-double-take on was the quote they gave from 1 Corinthians 5 regarding the brother who was “sleeping with his father’s wife.” Those UCC guys, who said, “once saved, always saved is heresy” actually glossed right over the fact that, the Apostle Paul said that they would “hand the man’s flesh over to Satan that the man might be taught not to blaspheme” and that the “MAN’S SPIRIT WOULD BE SAVED ON THE DAY OF THE LORD.” Now, unless I’m wrong - and in this one unusual instance I do not believe I am 😏 - that would mean that “THE MAN WAS STILL ETERNALLY SAVED!!!”
It is quite simple. The spirit is never saved, the soul is. That he would not be crushed with shame and embarrassment at the Bema, but have boldness and confidence when meeting His Lord at the Bema. The text in context, Grammer, and language has perfectly NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION. "THE DESTRUCTION OF HIS FLESH.
Now in consideration of Galatians 5.25, notice Paul's obviously been informed there were carnal believers (cf. 3.3 - 'Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh') in this church who were not walking in the Spirit (vv.1-24 cf. 4.20 'for I have doubts about you.'). But did you happen to notice what he didn't say or write herein?? In other words, did he say they were 'not living in the Spirit'?? Not a word, why because he's mentioned (twice) they're issue was they were 'not' walking in the Spirit, cf., 5.16, 'I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. On the otherhand, in 5.18, '...if you are led by the Spirit..', then it would be evident in and from them (cf. 5.22-23) such as 'love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. In other words, they would be walking in the Spirit so these terms to 'live' and/or 'walk', could never have been synonomous or mean the same thing. Otherwise, why employ such words to express the same thing, and no less in the same line?? It'd be ridculous, no less circular, and redundant, right?? If these two words (walk and live) are synonymns then why would Paul have needed to write them?? Othewise these carnal Galatian believers were already walking in the Spirit. Again, if 'walk' means also 'live'. But my point to live here is in the sense of having already eternal life hence the Holy Spirit is in them already;- 1 Cor 3:16 "the Spirit of God dwells in you", 1 Cor 6:19 "the Holy Spirit who is in you", Galatians 4:6 "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”. But Paul's main point in these, including the entire chapter of Galatians 5, and really the letters entirety, was and still is, all about sanctification i.e., a believer's temporal life/livin - see Galatians. 4.19, 'Christ is formed in you' (cf. Galatians 1.15-16, 1.20; 2.14-21; 3.3a). Certainlu not how to maintain eternal life or eternal salvation, or to earn it, which neither are ever once hinted at or implied in the letter nor anywhere else. So to reiterate - an important take away is Paul's implied these carnal Galatian believers were already all once eternally saved (cf. Gal 2.17-21, 3.3, 26-29; 4.1-6) or 'born from above' (i.e. John 3.3-8), and thus were at that time all still 100% guaranteed to ENTER/SEE the Kingdom of God!!
I think you have misinterpreted the meaning of this part of his letter. Paul clearly says, walk (live daily) in the spirit and you will not fullfill the lust of the flesh (then he name them) and then he warns them (again) by saying if you live this way, you will not inherit the kingdom of God !! Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Just let the scripture mean what it says.
@@easttexan2933 @easttexan2933 INHERITING THE KINGDOM OF GOD CANNOT BE REFERRING TO INHERITING ETERNAL LIFE BECAUSE FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD: biblestudymanuals.net/inherit.htm i) (Gal 5:19-21) The Phrase Rendered "Those Who Live Like This Will Not Inherit The Kingdom Of God," Is A Warning To Believers, Secure In Their Salvation From Hell Unto Eternal Life, To Not Be Unfaithful Because If They Are They Will Not Inherit The Kingdom Of God - In The Sense Of Not Becoming Co-Owners And Co-Rulers Of The Kingdom Of God With Jesus Christ. Individuals who were never saved in the first place are not In View who will not Inherit The Kingdom Of God, as some contend. Certainly believers Can Behave Dispicably and will disqualify themselves from their Heavenly Inheritance.And neither Is The Loss Of Salvation From Hell Unto Eternal Life. In View As Corroborated By Earlier Passages In Galatians And Numerous Other Passages. (Gal 5:21 NASB) "[envyings, drunkennesses, carousings], and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God." = Since passages in Galatians, Paul's other epistles and elsewhere in Scripture teach that eternal life - the salvation from hell unto eternal life - is secure within the believer, ; then the loss of salvation from hell unto eternal life is not scriptural and cannot be in view in Gal 5:19-21: ii_a) (Gal 5:13b) Believers Secure In Their Salvation Can And Do Commit Sins All The Time Even To The Point Of Disqualifying Themselves From Receiving All Or Part Of Their Heavenly Inheritances (Gal 5:13b NASB) "For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another" = So it is possible for genuine believers secure in their salvation , as born again children of God by a moment of faith alone in Christ alone, (Jn 1:12-13 ) who cannot be unchilded , to walk in the flesh and even practice the egregious sins mentioned in the vice list, (cf. Gal 5:16, 17, 21, 25 and 26), without losing their salvation. The context of Galatians chapter 5 and the rest of Scripture explicitly reject the false doctrine of the required perseverance of the saints in order to demonstrate that one is saved unto eternal life . Rather than affirming that all true believers will walk in the Spirit, Paul commands the believers at the churches of Galatia to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. Such an admonition would be misplaced if addressed to an unbeliever since it is impossible for those devoid of the Holy Spirit to walk in the Spirit.
@@easttexan2933 My point was these believers were eternally saved already. Now if your thinking they need to live daily or walk moment by moment in the Spirit (i.e. demonstrates love, joy, peace, self-control) in order to maintain eternal life (or they'll lose it) or to keep the Holy Spirit in them (or He'll leave permanently) then that's a false teaching. Also, another point is that you have not explained what the warning "shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"' is or is comprised of?? If it means to never enter or see the Kingdom', as the Lord say's in John 3:2-8, that is, if a person is never born from above (made born again by God at and by a moment of belief alone in Jesus Christ alone) in their lifetimes then that's a false teaching as well. Why?? Well, in lieu of these believers in Galatia, Paul has already proven otherwise. At least from the earlier contexts he had written them in Galatians 4:1-6, 4.1 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 4.2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 4.3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4.4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 4.5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. 4.6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 4.7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. .................................................................... Now notice from this the context i.e., Galatians 4.4-5, 8-31, Paul's audience are Jewish believers who have appeared to have returned to observing and practicing the Law (see also Galatians 5.1-3). 4.4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born [under the law], 4.5 to redeem those who were [under the law], that we might receive the adoption as sons. ......................................................................... But Paul's said they are now sons. 4.6 ".....God sent forth the Spirit of His Son (Holy Spirit) into your (believers) hearts.." 4.7 "YOU ARE NO LONGER A SLAVE BUT A SON...AN HEIR OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST." ....................................................................... "A SON...AN HEIR OF GOD", it doesn't get any clearer than that. And notice there are no conditions or to-do's to maintain that sonship or to being a child of God or to be one whose already eternally saved??? Now of course if you think Paul's reminding them here that they're already saved (God's children) and is thus merely warning them to stop observing the Law (circumcision, sabbath keeping, etc.) because they're thinking they need to do it in order to inherit the Kingdom of God (i.e., Millenial co-reign with Christ and other perks) then that's scripturally sound. At least in view of Galatians 5:1-21; 2 Tim 2:1-13 et al. A recommended commentary of Galatians 5, See biblestudymanuals.net/gal5v26.htm
A true repentant believer wouldn't want to live a life that contradicts God's character. If our lifestyle contradicts God's character, then claiming to be a Christian is a lie. Not talking about unscriptual sinless perfection. Even a very mature Christian is susceptible to sin. Someone that has truly been born again will be sensitive to sin and they will be led to repentance and confession to that sin. 1 John 1:8-10 IF we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 IF we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. When was the last time you were broken over a sin because you knew it was against Gods will? If you are sensitive to sin it will lead you to confession.
The ideology of once saved always saved is false and misleading.. those who believe in it are just as false converts as the ideology itself. Beware if Wolves in sheep's clothing. Matthew 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: Matthew 7:21-23 I Never Knew You (Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27) “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Why not just simply ASK? Ask all those, the millions of those that used to profess this that now have deconstructed. Of course you will say they were surely not saved, right? But, like you do now, they once said they were. 🤷🏽♂
@@ashtonmmton1554 i dont know how else to say it. And since so many others are saying similar things on this and other threads, OSAS is bogus, i pretty sure what i said is right on. 👍🏻 “just ask those who used to profess it and now dont”.
@@srich7503 you realize that osas is very few people? Catholics, most evangelicals, even Calvinism believes in preseverance of the saints. Osas is the few and almost all osas come from somewhere they did not believe in osas including myself
@@srich7503 What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?
Unfortunately, your explanations are very weak and though I am on the fence as to whether Scripture teaches once saved always saved, I can tell you that your argument was not convincing and sounded more like excuses for the particular theology you hold to. I always go back to the verse in Revelation that tells us that Christ Himself will vomit out the “lukewarm”. No matter how you spin or twist that verse, in order to vomit or spit something out it has to be in you and therefore it can only be talking about Christians/believers. This can only mean that however it works and however we try to understand or explain it some people who were once in Him won’t make it through the gates of Heaven. I guess ultimately do we really know what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is? Since Scripture is clear that that is an unforgivable sin, we might want to reevaluate our once saved only saved stance. What if blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is simply continuing to live our lives “as best we can” after we have accepted Christ and received Him??? What if “ignoring” the Holy Spirit’s guidance in our lives IS exactly what was meant by blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? I guess that is a question and argument that the church has been trying to figure out since its inception and none of us will really know until we stand before our Father…
Lukewarm people are those who can't decide whether it's by grace or by works so they settle for something in the middle, much like yourself. As in most of the Epistles, the writers are talking to a mixed audience.
@@colonalklink14 I don’t deny that. But saying tares are being address’s is what I deny. I’m free grace. Don’t borrow the phenomenological belief argument that Scott McKnight argued and lordshippers popularized.
Sounds great!!! So I've been thinking about staying late with the church treasurer and getting to know her a lllittle better but didn't know if i could get by with it! After hearing you I'm sure i can! Thanks bobbie! Well said!
You seem to think that you need to use free grace as an excuse to sin. Grace isn't grace if the possibility of abusing it doesn't exist. We can't change the gospel just because we think that someone might abuse grace.
@@colonalklink14 Jude 4 For certain individuals WHOSE CONDEMNATION WAS WRITTEN ABOUT LONG AGO HAVE SECRETLY SLIPPED IN AMONG YOU THEY ARE UNGODLY PEOPLE WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD.
@@goodshorts I never said anything about that. It's certainly not an excuse to sin. However let's be absolutely clear here grace isn't grace if the possibility of abusing it doesn't exist.
Let’s just make this simple. Judas is a great example, and unfortunately, a sad one walked with Christ every single day literally in the flesh betrayed him, and he killed himself which the Bible said that he was a devil from the start. He was the son of perdition. A lot of people get tangled up in the word saved, which means salvation, which is to all men who will let him come John 3:16 basically anyone who would choose to love Christ, but remember many are called, but you are the chosen Romans chapter 8 deals with predestination. These chosen ones do have salvation, but they’re on another level, which is called redemption to them. These are sons of God, not everyone is a son of God. Because we will say on that day, Lord Lord, he’ll say depart for me I never knew you.
“The keyword being a castway: a term in the potter's house. If a potter would work a beautiful work on the wheel (we'll say it was a beautiful vase; and it was supposed to contain a liquid), but after finishing it and painting it beautifully the potter discovered a fine crack in it where it wouldn't hold water. Then, rather than just pitching the vase in the trash, the potter would sit this beautiful vase on the shelf for sale only as an ornament type vase. Now the term "a castaway" was too good to throw away, but it was no longer of any workable use. Now this is what Paul is talking about. You can't lose your Salvation if you ever had it, but oh that we might work and maintain our testimony so that we won't be put on the shelf as no longer usable, even though we may have all the outward appearance of being believers, but that we might also be functional. That we can do that which The Lord saved us to do.
this to me is foolishness because quite frankly the lambs book of life has everyone that the Lord wants saved will be saved and this was written before the foundations of the world were ever thrown into existence. only God can save you if you are the elect. so if you are the elect then you will never loose your salvation because it was given to you before you were ever born. again then this foolishness to even be talking about this.
@@GESvidsno i do not adhere to double predestination. we are all on our way to hell because of our sin nature. so only God and God alone gives the gift of eternal life to whom he wants to. these people were already elected before God created the universe or this physical dimension. So yes he did predetermined some for heaven and let everyone else go on there merry way to hell. God says I will have mercy on whom i will have mercy talking about salvation.
1 Timothy 2:3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. Only those who reject repentance and those who don't contine in the Faith until the very end will be blotted out of the book of life. Matthew 24:13 The Greek says He who has endured till the end, this is the one that will be saved.
The devil made Eve question God's word too. Adding a question mark to a sound doctrine of eternal salvation comes from the same spirit Eve encountered with the serpent. "Yea, hath God said?" Question mark. In other words, Did God really say you have eternal security????????
You have obviously never read Acts. Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins? Acts 2:31-32. Acts1:1-8 Says this teaching is for all,you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth. Luke 24:44-47 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS Starting in Jerusalem. Jesus said: Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Jesus again reaffirms Peter to start the church in John 21:17 Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you." "Feed my sheep. Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church. This was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do? 38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Peter again includes Gentiles. Acts 11:18 When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, So then,even to Gentiles, God has granted REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO LIFE". Acts 17:30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance but now COMMANDETH ALL PEOPLE EVERY WHERE TO REPENT. [Including Gentiles] Acts 20:21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus. Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on the name of the Lord. Paul recounts his encounter with Jesus. Acts 26:18-20 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, SO THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS and a place among those who are SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME.’ 19“So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. 20First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD (believe) and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds/works/lifestyle.
@@2Chronicles714_ Funny how you don't quote a single passage from the Pauline epistles , everything is in Acts which is a transitionary book from the Jews to the Gentiles.
@@kevin9084 What does that even mean? It's ridiculous. Is the Apostle Paul in Acts an imposter ? Is Paul in Acts not the same one in his epistles? All of Paul's epistles are written for believers. The only book in the Bible that explains how to be born again is Acts..
@@2Chronicles714_ read what you are pasting. Acts 2:37 they asked "what shall we do?" Water baptism in verse 38 is part of the answer, but it has nothing to do with salvation from Hell.
Shabab, when this first guy reads the verse believer, he goes straight and he’s able to bring him back. He saves him this contacts it talking about physical data, not eternal death so when I look at this man with the black beard, I see that he can’t understand the word of God he does not know how to understand simplicity what do you think he has a platform how did he get a platform when he doesn’t even understand simplicity
THE BIBLE VERSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SAYS IF ANY AMONG YOU, NOT ANY OF YOU AMONG IS THE KEY WORD. THERE IS ALWAYS FALSE CONVERTS AMONGST THE BROTHERS. WAKE UP.
Jesus Christ is ALL our RIGHTEOUSNESS . I give to them Eternal Life and they shall never perish. Jesus plus nothing - Jesus minus nothing.
Just love the way you present the gospel my brother, because when we have fallen knowing that our God has sealed us, gives us great hope, I know that most of these denominations say that we just want to have a license to sin, I know Myself that I have disappointed my
father constantly but I don’t want to, so I thank him daily for what he has done for me,
Absolutely
I sin but I don't want to sin and I hate my sin. In this life we will struggle with our flesh.
Ephesians 2 8-9
"For it is by GRACE you have been saved, through FAITH- and this is NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT FROM GOD-- NOT by WORKS, so that NO ONE CAN BOAST.
Its such a crystal clear verse but people REFUSE to believe it because they are so prideful & think they can earn it by their own righteousness that is in the flesh🤦🏽♂️
Faith in Christ Jesus (obedience) produces good works. Faith without works is dead.
You can reject that grace by turn to sin and disobedience to what God is saying and how he commands us to live!
@@TheTrueSonOfFire & Here comes the heretics who hate the blood of Jesus. We arent saved by faith and works! Romans 11:6 says we're either saved by FULLY WORKS or FULLY GRACE. One or the other...There are no contradictions in the bible🤦🏽♂️ you people refuse to trust in christ alone, smh
@@Bleed_Blue625 Heretic? Me? 😂 Come on now, you're the one arguing against Scripture.
I did nothing to merit my salvation, I have no power to undo it. To say a man can outside God's mercy is belittling His grace.
Read Romans 1:21-32.
If you had nothing to do with your salvation and you can’t undo it, you’re a mannequin.
So, in Acts 2:37 they asked " What must we do"? and you would have said " nothing"? You "merit " your salvation when you do what you want to be saved, like faith only. But when you obey the Lord and do what he says, you are not earning your salvation, it is called "faith". Romans 3:27 says boasting is excluded in the law of faith and did you know that baptism is of the law of faith? Gal 3:26-27 and Col 2:12 so boasting is excluded in baptism and is not of the works of Eph 2, which btw is talking about works of the law......just keep reading. It says faith through grace, what happens if you no longer have grace? Gal 5:4 says you can FALL FROM GRACE.....will you still be saved?
Is doing what Jesus said earning your salvation? apparently you think so.
@DannyLoyd
Apparently you want to believe requirements to be forgiven and finally saved is trying to earn your way to salvation.
Everlasting is everlasting! ♥️♥️
It baffles me that these people that teach lordship salvation, always believe that they are saved and somewhat sinless, and always judge other people so harshly that it's like they don't want the "sinners" to be saved...to me, they are just carnal in their thinking and don't understand how complete the sacrifice of our Lord was, thinking they can add or subtract from the righteousness that comes through the blood of Jesus.
They are afraid that God will be hoodwinked into letting "sinners" into Heaven, not realizing how sinful they are themselves, nor that God has other ways of dealing with misbehaving children
Where in the video did they make a claim of being sinless?
Well said. The whole thing is, and always has been, disturbing to me. Lordship salvation is why I rejected "Christianity" to begin with. It was clear people who cling to this false doctrine are extremely self righteous.
It worries me that lordship salvation people may have never believed in the free gift in the first place. They are literally the pharisees
@cassiebennet4262
Lordship Salvation as some call it means that we by the anointing of the Holy Spirit recognize Jesus for who He is and give Him the honor that He is due by surrendering to Him in obedience.
He wants our total commitment.
He has earned it; He is worthy of it. Ultimately, this is how our walk with Christ should begin, by recognizing and confessing sin and that He is Lord.
The term Lord means someone to be obeyed.
If He is, we as His sheep will follow our Shepherd.
John 10:14,27
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
It's not adding works as proof, its a unquenchable desire for living for and pleasing Jesus that will produce good fruit.
It's loving Him because He first loved us and gave himself for us
This is how salvation is obtained, by repentance and this very recognition.
We are all Under the Lordship of Jesus or the lordship of satan.
They both have opposing kingdoms.
There is no in between.
Romans 6:14-15
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, [satan's lordship] or of obedience unto righteousness?[Jesus's Lordship]
I'm glad when I got saved back in 1977 that nobody ever told me I could lose it. I read the Bible through and never once thought the Bible taught that you could lose salvation. All these years later I now KNOW the Bible never once teaches you can lose your eternal salvation that is given to you as a free gift by grace because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross. I believed what Jesus did for me at Calvary and God forgave ALL my sins in an instant. I'm not going to heaven now because of how well I've lived since April 3, 1977, but because Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life and became the perfect sacrifice for sins as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. It is a disgrace to grace to add anything to the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins either to get saved or to keep ourselves saved.
Thanks. Bob for your knowledge of the word
Once saved always save. A good shepherd never loses his sheep. Some may go astray but not lost.
Bob is sharp
Amen brother Bob.
Hebrews 10:37-39
For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith; But if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
Bob, Fantastic rebuttal, using the same Scripture verses they use to say we can lose our salvation. I have a not so short story for you that happened to me many years ago. I grew up being brought by my dear Mother to church from the time I could walk. I distinctly remember "knowing" I could lose my salvation if I went "HAM" and lost my "Way". So, fast forward to around the time I was in my late teens and my girlfriend and I were not so genuinely serious about our commitment to the Lord, and unfortunately she became pregnant and just sent us into a tailspin, trying to figure out how this was all going to turn out. Well, Unbeknownst to me, my girlfriend and her family had decided on the horrible act of terminating the pregnancy without talking to me about it (because of course even in the late 80, a woman and her family could make the decision on her own without the involved father) When I found out, I pleaded with her not to go through with it, that if she agreed I and my Parents would raise the child. She said she would think about it and call me back. Since she lived a little over 30 miles away from me and I had a job I wasnt able to get her to talk to me. 4 days after she said she'd call me back I got her on the phone at which time she told me the termination was done! I was in shock! I didn't expect it to happen so quickly. (I mean I was no where near being what I thought a capable father should be, but I knew in my heart I couldn't let this happen.) I knew it was wrong and looking back today and many times over the years ive wondered what more could I have done.
I have come to forgive myself for my youthful failings but I told that story to say this.
1. I believe that I was saved by Grace at the age of 13 and held my faith close to my heart, going as far as to destroy secular Music albums I had treasured as a kid.
2. I was brought up to believe Human Life was very Special. But I had been a part of something that violated that very deep seated Belief, That Life can NOT just be cast aside like a broken chair or an appliance that is worn out.
3. And that brings me to the conclusion. The "Thing" that changed my mind about my Eternal Salvation. IF I, tortured myself about what had happened and how wrong it was... Well Of Course!... GOD would never Cast You or Me outside of his House, in effect committing a "Spiritual Abortion"... Impossible! We don't believe in abortion and that comes from GOD himself. Final answer: Eternal Security. Because he Will Never cast us out after having Paid the Heaviest Price for US! Thank You My Lord and My GOD. PS thanks again Bob, tonight you reminded me to think about my Eternal Security and How much Ive grown to Love the Thought of it!
If christians lose salvation, how many times can someone be born again?
Good question.
You can't lose your salvation. When you lose something, you don't know how it happened.
You can most definitely forfeit it, meaning you went back to a life of continuous unrepentant sin, with no desire to change.
@@2Chronicles714_ the question still remains. Can you be born again, forfeit your salvation then be born again again.
@mikebushnell4598
Not if you have experienced the heavenly gifts and you say something like I reject Jesus I I don't believe that His blood cleanses I don't believe in God and go back to a life of continuous sin with no repentance.
That would be blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Read
Romans 1:21-32
& 2 Peter 2:20-22
One single time. And no, you can’t lose your salvation. If you try to wander away ? He’ll leave the 99 and come searching for you. When he finds you, it’s possible it could be a little painful.
The two guys kept taking Scriptures out of their context.
Thank you. Wonderful teaching.
Thank you Bob.
Thank you very much Sir
Once saved always saved is biblical if one is truly saved, God loses none of his chosen John 6:33-65, 10:26-30
Are you a Calvinist?
What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe in order to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ?
its a lie from Hell
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Calvin started the OSAS.
@@2Chronicles714_ OSAS was taught by early church fathers, that's why the scriptures has Romans 8:38-39 KJV to reassure us today in English. The problem is the Catholic church has kept you in the dark for many years, you think OSAS is a new concept. Not to mention the new Bible versions skew up the doctrine too. Sad.
My Father Is
Greater Than
All, And No One
Can Pluck Me
Out Of His Hand;
Nor Can I Jump
Out Of His Hand..~..
You added the last part.
You have free will to go back to a life of continuous unrepentant sin thereby forfeiting salvation.
Yep, no one can pluck you out of His hand, but it doesn’t say He can’t throw you out does it???
@@adamlemons7909 Interesting, so in your mind those who have faith in Christ are in the Father's hand and in Jesus hand, and He is waiting to throw us out. Never mind our righteousness is as filthy rags. Never mind if we break one law we have broken all. Never mind the Lord will chasten those who He loves. God's promise of salvation is temporary in your mind.
@@goodshorts no, I believe that my Father is loving and forgiving as well as wrathful and vengeful. I believe He is all powerful and capable of things that my finite mind couldn’t possibly understand or explain. My hope is that when I stand before Him I will either understand everything or simply won’t care as I fall on my face before Him. What I am willing to do which most Christians aren’t, and all denominations won’t is admit that I simply do not know. I read, I study, I pray, I believe and I try to live by the teachings and principles that Christ Himself showed us in Scripture. I do know without question that in the end we all will find out the truth and just how right or wrong we were. I also believe that God wishes no one to perish and that if we do so we do so only by our own decisions. How that works I couldn’t tell you and I wouldn’t even presume that I had the wisdom of God that such things might require to fully understand.
@adamlemons7909 Well, If u DON'T Know; Why Are u Disagreeing With My Comment?
A few questions about always saved? 1) Does God warn Christians for real or just for play? 2) Can a “Christian” walk away from their salvation? 3) Will God violate “your will” if you don’t want to be in covenant relationship with Him anymore? 4) So, are all the warnings in the Bible to “believers”, like in Revelation 22:18-19, to be considered as just another heavenly “scare tactic” because God didn’t really mean it?
The moment we believe in Jesus and trust in his perfect blood shed on the cross we are save Forever sealed and batized into the body of Crist impossíble to lose salvation
Where does scripture say that ?
The Demons just believed to. It is to live holy and if we sin, we have an advocate with the Father! So living in will full sin will not get you into heaven. No one yes..... can take you from God, but you can walk off from it just Like Demos did, having loved this present world. In Revelation 22:9 says that if you take away words of this prophecy then he will blot out your name in the Lambs Book of Life! People read your Word from God, not from men that tickles the ears.. He said Watch and Pray that you be counted worthy to ecape. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals , nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God. You cant live Like a Hypocrite and expect to be ready for Heaven.
This guy is right on
Great job Bob & GES, very clear and biblical as always 😊
Awesome video thank you god bless 🇨🇦❤️
You’re only saved one time and once you’re saved, you’re always saved. Look at these men lost forever. They have no idea they’re going to hell they have no idea unless of course they repent.
DEAREST older brother Bob, THE JOY OF OUR LORD CANNOT BE HIDDEN IN YOU. IT TOUCHES OUR spirit here. In Arkansas.
Oh Bob He says to us, "the. work is not in vain"
The Love of Christ constrains us. Love you dear brother, believe me.
Affectionately you brother and servant, Barry
Maranatha!
The Bible teaches that the condition for eternal life is active faith in Christ. If you trust in Him, you’re saved. If you don’t trust on Him, you’re not saved. If someone did have faith, but no longer does, that person is not saved. Why do we need to complicate this?
Do You Need to "Continue to Believe" to be Saved? - Zane C. Hodges
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@@GESvids thanks. Watched it. seemed like a scholarly nothing burger.
Seems Jesus maybe Coming back Soon and Very Soon we all must be ready for His Arrival
-> Hebrews has some very powerful Once Saved Always Saved verses:
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Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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Hebrews 10:10 - By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 - And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 - From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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-> So anyone who is currently saved can never lose it because they are eternally redeemed, sanctified once for all, and perfected for ever!
Hebrews 3:6-19
But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, (IF) indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.,7So as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, (IF) you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the wilderness,
9where your ancestors tested and tried me,
though for forty years they saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation;
I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.’
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
[‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”]
👉12 See to it brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living
God.👈 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, (IF] indeed we hold our original conviction firmly TO
THE VERY END. 15As has just been said:
“Today, (IF) you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion.”
16. Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did God swear that THEY WOULD NEVER ENTER HIS REST (IF) NOT TO THOSE WHO DISOBEYED?
19 So we see that THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ENTER, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF.
Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Also Hebrews 13:20:”Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
@@2Chronicles714_ did you really just try to say that moses was not saved.
You ignorant wolf in sheeps clothing.
@@2Chronicles714_ @2Chronicles714_
How much repentance gets the job done ? You don't know , nor CAN you . Nor any mere human holding to a works righteousness soteriology .
Quantify that for us in purely Objective terms .
Repentance is turning from sins, and walking in righteousness . Behavioral performance . In all 55 NT usages of Metanoia and its cognate. It is undeniably works . It is never found in any Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Not once .
It is not faith , the only condition of receiving the free gift of endless Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Your homework assignment - that you've never completed - was to exegetically produce the following :
1. "Whosoever repents (turns from an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death will be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom " .
And :
2."Whosoever that doesn't repent (turns from an Unknowable level of sins till death) goes to the endless lake of fire" .
*** You must Necessarily provide these abovementioned passages in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Or , your affirmation is Necessarily refuted .
Further , you must Necessarily provide the Objectively verifiable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavior (works) that will earn/be paid for/be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom.
Still waiting for the data . Your affirmation therefore remains utterly unclear and lacks the slightest shred of evidence .
So , it once again seems clear that your Object and Content of "faith" is your perseverance till death in an Unknowable level (%) of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) , rather than His doubtless Guarantee of unending Everlasting Life.
The following undeniable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/Justification before God passages of Scriptures must Necessarily have the above-mentioned 2 passages , or the evidence of their absence Necessarily refutes your proposition :
John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27,20:31 ; Acts16:31 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; the book of Galatians .
So, can a believer become an unbeliever? if so, will they still be saved? Like in John 6 when disciples walked with Jesus no more, were they still saved?
Can one be severed from Christ? Fall from GRACE? and still be saved? Gal 5:4
Can one DEPART FROM THE FAITH? Giving heed to deceitful spirits? and doctrine of demons? 1 Timothy 4:1 and still be saved?
If God takes away your share in the tree of life and the holy city, Rev 22:19 will you still be saved?
Be faithful unto death, and God will give you the crown of life Rev 2:10. So, if I am not faithful? will God give me the crown of life?
He who CONQUERS shall thus be clad in white garments, and I will NOT BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE". Rev3:5 so, If I DO NOT CONQUER, WILL MY NAME BE BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE
Any one who does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God, 2 John 1:9 so, if I do not abide in his doctrine? will I be saved?
Any one who hates his brother is a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him 1 John 3:15 So, if I hate my brother, will I be saved?
He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, 1 John 2:4 so if I disobey his commandments I am a liar, am I still saved? the truth is not in me, am I still saved?
Walk in the light as he is in the light and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin 1John 1:7 So, if I do not walk in the light, will the blood of Christ cleanse me?
Jesus said, " Every man who hears these word of mine and does them will be like a wise man Matt7:24 So, if I do the words of Jesus am I earning my salvation? Then Jesus said, " Every man who hears my words and does not do them is a foolish man.." so if I do not do his words, will I be saved? Matt 7:21 " Not everyone who says Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER"....so, If I do the will of the Father, am I earning my salvation? will I be saved if I do not obey the Fathers will?
We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith James 2 and saved by faith when we have been baptized into Christ, Gal 3:26-27 and it says in Col 3:1 after we have been raised up with Christ in baptism, TO SEEK THE THINGS ABOVE......
Dr Wilkin , I appreciate you addressing Gallagher. He engages with the Greek. See his interactions with Trey Fisher. When I debated Travis Thomas ( church of Christ) he deferred to Gallagher. I think Ak Richardson depends on his exegesis as well.
Are you "Focused Free Grace" ?
Hey Layman's Seminary , why didn't you answer Tim's question ?
@@timgrady4630 not yet.
@@soljos1190 I didn’t see it. I just did.
@@TheLaymansSeminary
What does that denote , precisely ?
"Not yet" a Focused Free Grace" person ... don't know what that means , quite honestly .
Please clarify .
Great explanation Bob, God bless you.
1 Corinthians 5:5
“To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Any thoughts on this verse?
That was for church discipline.
Yeah that should tell you right there that you can't lose your salvation....here is a verse not many people seem to use....the Bible says if you offend in one point of the law....you are guilty of the whole law....here is something else I believe....it is our soul and spirit that GOD saves...NOT our flesh .....no flesh shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven....one more that I have come up with myself is this....JESUS told Nicodemus....yee must be born again.....once a person is born....it's kinda hard to walk around telling people you weren't born......
@cliffordhewitt4525
Dozens of scriptures found in nearly every book in the new testament make it clear that Salvation can be forfeited
your 100% right.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews is mostly talking to jewish Christians falling back to old testament law.
Finally someone who acknowledges hebrews 10:39 we are NOT of them who draw back, we believe to the saving of the soul. False teachers refuse to read the first chapter where it's talking about levitical sacrifices which can not take away sin and how Jesus paid for sins once for all and perfected forever them that are sanctified. hebrews 10 proves OSAS thank you
@@adamgray07 welcome. I have more videos about it as well
@@adamgray07 I have a video called “they both missed it”. I go through Hebrews 10. Most people mis the first verse which sets the whole chapter up.
@aletheia8054 .....verse 39 is a statement of faith by paul to those he is writing to but this verse also indicates that there are those who will draw back unto perdition. "we are not of them".....who is them? Them that draw back unto perdition. So we see that it is possible.
They just picking and choose verses, instead of reading to understand the whole concept of the chapter!!
Can someone please help me ! I was born again at 19 but fell away from the faith eventually into new age beliefs like reincarnation and I remained in this belief for 25 years but 9 months ago after a health crisis I realized I needed God and came back to faith however I’m not sure I can be saved because I fell away into unbelief because of deceptions of false doctrines. I never stood up and renounced Jesus or God but after seeing CZcams videos and reading intellectual things I began to question whether Jesus existed. I feel so horrible that I somehow forgot who Jesus was and fell into unbelief and I’m also terrified that now I’m damned 😥 worst part of all is I didn’t even realize what I was doing I believed the new age lies all the light and love garbage. I never even knew I was without God because I thought God was the universe. This is so horrifying because I never ever meant to hurt or offend God 😥😥 buy according to Hebrews I cannot have repentance if that’s what Hebrews means ? Can someone please comment 🙏✝️
How Do I Know I Am Saved? - Bob Wilkin
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Does Hebrews 10:38-39 Say A True Believer Can Fall Away? - Bob Wilkin & Philippe Sterling
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What is the Punishment Worse than Death? - Hebrews 10:28-31 - Bob Wilkin
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I want to thank you all! I have studied the subject and battled back-and-forth with it for many years and through the comments on this video I am now thoroughly convinced that the theology of once saved always saved is an error and not scripturally defendable. Thank you and blessings!
Have you watched the video? This video is a defense of OSAS, not a disputation of it. Which scripture in your mind is the single strongest proof against OSAS? Please explain how that verse is explaining the loss of salvation.
OSAS is biblical:
John 5:24
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (Joh 5:24)
John 11:25-26
Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (Joh 11:25-26)
John 6:47
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." (Joh 6:47)
Acts 16:31
"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Act 16:31)
1 John 3:23
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1Jn 3:23)
John 8:24
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." (Joh 8:24)
John 6:29
"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (Joh 6:29)
1 Corinthians 1:21
"For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
1 John 5:1
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1Jn 5:1)
John 3:15
"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." (Joh 3:15)
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (Joh 3:16)
John 3:36
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (Joh 3:36)
Romans 10:9
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." (Rom 10:9)
Romans 10:10
"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom 10:10)
Mark 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
Acts 10:43
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
1 John 5:5
"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"
Romans 4:5
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
Romans 1:16
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
John 14:12-14
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."
1 John 5:10-13
"And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (1Jn 5:10-13)
Romans 11:23
"And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."
@Adam , then u don't belief that Jesus's sacrifice was enough , how sad
@@lyndashields4185 no, I absolutely believe that Christ is, was, and will be the one and only sacrifice and that belief in Him and that sacrifice is the only way we can come to the Father or eternity. Believing that God has the power to reject and our free will gives us the choice to forfeit our salvation has nothing to do with the sacrifice Christ made or its relevance and utter necessity.
Ok so how can you be granted 'something eternal" if it's only "temporary"?
They defies the very definition.
God does the saving. We have no part, we merely accept it.
If you have true repentance and accept the gift, you can't give it back, it's not yours to give.
There are loads of scriptures that show this.
And how about this for you as well, about not what the Bible says, but what it doesn't say.
Can you find a single example of anyone that was saved, sealed with the holy spirit, where they decided they were forfeiting their salvation, and the Bible describes them being stripped of the holy spirit?
Surely LOTS of people would be moving in and out of salvation over time, yet not a single example of this happening?
That says a lot.
Because it doesn't happen.
Eternal life when given, is ETERNAL of God is a liar.
Be at peace knowing this.
Goode evening,
Adam you are actually saying that Lord Jesus is a liar, a deceiver, a fraud, a sinner, and not God!
I know He is none of those, and I am perfectly presumptuous that Lord Jesus is truthfull and means what He says, and furthermore when He saved me, He immediately made good on another of His promises (" all His promises are yes and yes and amen and amen") and that is He made me "KNOW" IT. 1 JN 5:13.
YOU MADE A STATEMENT WITHOUT BRINGING ANY CONTEXTUAL QUOTES FROM MY SAVIOUR JESUS.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS: DO YOU "KNOW" (not think) but "KNOW" THAT LORD JESUS PROMISES TO GIVE US A "2nd spirit of fear again to bondage" ? No you do not know dear Adam, because He says the exact opposite of that. You really think Christ came down to give us a 2nd spirit of FEAR UNTO BONDAGE AGAIN? You know, like the 1st spirit of fear you got from Adam when you realized your sins "already condemned" you John 3:18
My secure forever Lord Jesus told and produced in me "a spirit of ADOPTION, WHERE I CRY DADDY FATHER." TO THOSE SAINTS WHOSE MINDS ARE HABITUALLY IN SCRIPTURE, THEY ARE AWARE WHERE THIS TRUTH IS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
ROMANS, " YOU HAVE NOT (DID YOU HEAR WHAT MY SAVIOUR JESUS SAYS, DID YOU LITERALLY HEAR HIM OR NOT) RECEIVED A spirit OF FEAR "AGAIN" (DID YOU HERE HIM, DO YOU AGREE WITH HIM OR NOT?) UNTO Bondage, BUT A spirit OF ADOPTION WHEREBY WE CRY ABBA FATHER." CAN YOU SEE THAT LORD JESUS SAYS WHEN HE SAVES A SOUL, THAT YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A 2ND "spirit OF FEAR AGAIN..." DO YOU SEE THE WORD AGAIN! THAT MEANS AT TRUE CONVERSION, NOT ONLY DOES THE FATHER, LORD JESUS, and HOLY SPIRIT ENTER IN AN SEAL US FOREVER, BUT YOU ALSO RECEIVE A 2nd small "s" spirit. It's all over in the New Testament.
"He has PERFECTED forever (how long did Lord Jesus say Adam? He has (past tense) perfected forever, forever, forever, THOSE THAT ARE BEING SANCTIFIED." THE FIRST CLAUSE IS SALVATION, THE SECOND CLAUSE IS SANCTIFICATION.
"PERFECT LOVE CAST OUT FEAR. FOR FEAR HAS TORMENT, AND THE ONE WHO FEARS HAD NOT BEEN MADE "PERFECT" IN THE LOVE OF GOD."
YOU ARE CLAIMING BY YOUR COMMENT (AND WITHOUT ANY CONTEXTUAL TEACHING OF LORD JESUS) THAT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PERFECT IN THE LOVE OF GOD.
WE PRAY FATHER YOUR WILL COME TO JESUS NOW FOR SALVATION BEFORE ITS ETERNALLY TOO LATE FOR YOU, OR, IF HE HAS SAVED YOU, TRANSLATED YOU FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, FROM CORRUPTIBLE SEED TO INCORRUPTIBLE, FROM DEATH TO LIFE ETC, THAT YOU WILL LET THE SPIRIT COMFORT YOU THAT JESUS HAS ETERNALLY SECURED YOU IN, BY, AND THROUGH HIMSELF ONLY.
IN MY KING YESHUAS AGAPE' ADAM, BELEIVE ME.
DID HE EVER TELL US THAT HE WILL UNBORN US AGAIN! DID HE EVER PROMISE ME THAT THE SPIRIT OF GOD WOULD NOT BE IN ME AND WITH ME FOREVER! DID HE EVER TELL US HE WOULD TAKE HIMSELF (ETERNAL LIFE) OUT OF ME! DID HE EVER TELL US HE WOULD RE-TRANSLATE ME FROM LIFE BACK TO DARKNESS! DID HE EVER TELL ME I WOULD GO BACK TO THIRSTING FOREVER AGAIN, OR HUNGER FOREVER AGAIN! DID HE EVER TELL ME OR US THAT AFTER HE GAVE ME THE NEW BIRTH AND CHANGED ME FROM Corruptible SEED TO INCORRUPTABLE, THAT HE WOULD PUT ME BACK TO Corruptible SEED AGAIN! DID HE EVER TELL ME THAT WHEN I Believed AND WAS "SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE WHO IS THE EARNEST OF MY INHERITANCE UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION OF THE "PURCHASED" POSSESSION, THAT HE WOULD TAKE THE SPIRIT OUT AND UN-PURCHADE AND UN-REDEEMEM ME!
DID HE EVER TELL ME THAT WHEN HE " HAS (PAST TENSE ALREADY DONE, JUSTIFICATION TO LIFE) PERFECTED FOREVER (DID YOU HEAR LORD JESUS' WORD AND PROMISE, ARE YOU LISTENING TO HIM? DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS TELLING YOU THE TRUTH OR TELLING YOU A LIE? DID HE TELL ME THAT IN JOHN 5:24 ONCE HE SAVED ME AND SECURED ME FOREVER IN, BY, AND THROUGH HIMSELF ONLY, THAT " HAS EVERLASTING LIFE, YOU WILL NEVER, NEVER,NEVER, COME INTO CONDEMNATION, BUT HAS (AGAIN LISTEN TO LORD JESUS, HAS Already PASSED FROM DEATH INTO LIFE," THAT HE WILL PASS ME BACK INTO DEATH, AND CONDEMNATION, AND UN DO HIMSELF IN ME!
SIR EITHER YOU ARE STILL IN A ETERNALLY CONDEMNED STATE JOHN 3:18, OR YOU ARE TRULY SAVED BY JESUS AND HAVE NOT ALLOWED THE SPIRIT TO COMFORT YOU IN YOU SECURITY IN, BY, AND Through CHRIST ONLY!
IF YOU ARE STILL LOST, THEN YOU ONLY HAVE THE Spirit of FEAR TO Bondage, ROMANS.
IF CHRIST HAS TRULY SAVED YOU AND YOU HAVE NOT SEEN YOUR ETERNAL STANDING AS SECURED IN HIM ONLY, THEN YOU ARE STILL LIVING IN THE ADAMIC spirit OF FEAR TO BONDAGE.
THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU IF YOU ARE GOING TO CLAIM THAT CHRIST WAS A FAILURE, (FOR IN ESSENCE THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, ALTHOUGH NOT Deliberately) THEN YOU MUST SHOW WHERE CHRIST IS IN ERROR CONTEXTUALLY AS THESE SCRIPTURES CONTEXTUALLY ATTEST TO THAT HE HAS PROMISED ME, ANS ALL THE SAINTS ETERNAL SECURITY IN, BY, AND THRIUGH HIM ONLY.
ADAM, WHY DO YOU THINK ADAM AND EVE COULD NOT GET BACK INTO EDEN. LET THE LORD ANSWER US. BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE. BUT THEN BEFORE REDEMPTION BY CHRIST WAS COMPLETE, THEY WOULD HAVE PERPETUATED SIN IN GODS PRESENCE FOREVER, AND HE COULD NOT CONDEMN THEM, OR CAST THEM OUT. BECAUSE, TAKING FROM THE TREE OF LIFE WAS ETERNALLY SECURING THEM AND GOD CANNOT REVERSE THAT. THAT TREE OF LIFE REPRESENTED CHRIST. THAT IS WHY THE ANGEL Guarded IT!!!! THERE WAS A CHERUBIM AT EDEN, MANY ON THE VEIL IN THE HOLY PLACE, AND 2 MORE ON THE ARK IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES. PLEASE STUDY WHY. AND SO AS IN THE TREE OF LIFE IN EDEN, SO WHEN CHRIST SAVES, HE SAVES ONCE AND FOR ALWAYS, HE CANNOT REVERSE IT. JUST LIKE IF ADAM AND EVE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BACK IN AND EATEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE!
ADAM, THIS IS LORD JESUS' PROMISE TO YOU, AD IT WAS TO ME 47 YEARS AGO ONE NIGHT IN MY BEDROOM: " HE THAT HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES ON HIM THAT SENT ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. YOU WILL NEVER COME INTO CONDEMNATION, BUT HAD PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE.
ONLY LORD JESUS CAN PERFECT YOU IN THE LOVE OF GOD. LET HIM.
can someone please point out exactly where did they touch on legalism? Did they?
They fail to understand there's physical salvation as well as eternal he's talking about physical death
Eternal salvation is a gift that can absolutely be given back. Revelation 2:10 anyone?
a crown of life is not salvation. A crown is a reward you may or may not receive when you get to heaven. Many people in heaven won't receive a reward because their doctrine is so bad, that they never really win any souls to Christ, instead they discourage them from trusting in the Book. Sounds like you're reading an NIV, or any of these "modern" corrupt Bibles.
Great stuff, Bob! Thank you!
The The three crosses in the bible prove once saved always saved. The thief on the cross on the right went to heaven, he never took the sacraments, he never went to church, he never was baptized, he never said the rosary, he broke the commandments, he didnt keep the law, He woke up in heaven. Because Jesus died on the cross for all sins for everyone. and said it is finished. so once saved always saved.
The church of christ will get to heaven if saved and be the ones that are very surprised. for they do not rightly dived the Word of God. With Scripture with Scripture.
Colossians 2:11-12: Once you have accepted Christ by faith, you are cut off from your sins. No matter what kind of “unforgivable” sin you may commit, you still have no sins in you. You’re forgiven from all sins in the past, and you are free from all sins in the future. You are saved, even if you commit the most numerous or heinous sins.
John 10:27-30: Christ and God the Father have you in their hands. Christ said once you belong to Him, no one can pluck you out of His or God the Father’s hands. It is impossible then that anyone or anything can have the power to pluck you out of God’s hand.
Romans 8:38-39: God said that absolutely nothing in this universe, life, or time can separate you from the love of God in Christ Jesus. You cannot separate yourself from Christ with anything, no matter how hard you try.
John 1:12: God says that once you received Christ, you are a son of God. Let me ask you, “If your father bore you, you are his son, right? Let’s say that you hate your father and you separate yourself from him. Does this mean that you are still not his son?” Of course, not! It’s the same thing with God and you. Since you are God’s son, you cannot undo your “son-ship” from God.
Ephesians 1:13: The Bible says once you believed on Christ, you are sealed by the Holy Ghost. Never did the Bible say that once you are sealed, the Holy Ghost can un-seal you. Once the Bible says you are sealed, you are sealed! Nothing more or less. Once the Holy Ghost seals you, there is no possible way that you can un-seal and overpower God the Holy Ghost.
I Corinthians 12:12-27: The Bible says that you are a member of the body of Christ. God said it is impossible to lose a member of Christ’s body. God also said that there is no schism in the body of Christ (vs. 25); so, no matter what sin you may commit, you are still clean from sin.
I John 5:11-13: God said that once you believed on Christ, you have eternal life. “Eternal” means “forever.” Plus, God says that this life is a record (vs. 11). Once something is recorded and eternal, you can’t erase it away. God also says that once you believed, you know that you are saved (vs. 13). It’s impossible to lose your salvation.
ETC.....
The problem with these false teachers who teach things like you can lose salvation is that they don't actually believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can truly save them. They don't trust Christ alone. These false teachers are focused on their physical flesh to save them or maintain salvation or otherwise lose salvation due to what their flesh does. They completely disregard the fact that your spirit is what is saved and born of God and your flesh is not saved for eternal life. They read Romans 7 and don't understand the two natures.
1 John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
This issue goes away if these people understood right division, i.e. who is being spoken to. James is written to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, JEWS, NOT to members of the body of Christ. Paul is our apostle not Peter nor any of the other 11 Jewish apostles. John the Baptist's, Jesus', Peter's and the other 11 apostles teaching is FOR us. We can learn from them just like we can learn from history. Only Paul was given the doctrines for today in the dispensation of the grace of God.
The great evil is believing all men are born sinners, This sets the tone of discussion, it introduces a caveat into our reasoning which perverts logical argument, and diminishes man's personal responsibility.
well, we know babies don't go to hell when they die, but once they acknowledge they've sinned against God the child is accountable. Christ died for SINNERS.
I think we can lose our salvation if we become apostates who viciously attack Jesus and the Faith. But I don't think we walk a tightrope when it
comes to salvation. We aren't phasing in and out of salvation if we mistakenly sin. If we're in a loving relation with Jesus, then we don't want to sin.
God is not capricious or fickle. When we actively stand on The Rock, then we are saved. God doesn't want us to be paranoid about salvation.
Paul on 1 Corinthians 9:27 is beating his body in to submission not to be disqualified of winning others to Christ and be rendered useless. The 9th chapter is talking about winning others for Christ. 2 Peter 2 the whole chapter is about false teachers. They may have had an experience, but not necessarily real conversion. On the 22nd verse it reads a dog always goes back to its vomit. It doesn't relate to a real Christian. It's a danger to take verse isolated and out of context.
GES Staff you might want to make a correction to the CZcams description box citation of Galatians 5:45. It should read Galatians 5:25.
So he turns him back and he saves his soul, but a man can’t save another man soul so it must mean physical death
Read john 10:28-30
Church of Christ….that about says it all. The same people who insist that you have to be baptized in their church in order to be saved, who don’t believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and who know nothing of the Grace of God. I have experience with these people; they are modern day Pharisees.
yep, apostates. Another group who refuses to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. They will be held accountable at the Judgement Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV)
Strange Jesus,John the Baptist Peter and Paul all tell us we are to be water baptized.
Each of them, along with the other disciples and every convert from Acts 2:38 was water baptized.
Alone it won't save you.
It's to complete your repentance.
@@2Chronicles714_ in the Church of Christ you must be:
Water baptized IN THEIR CHURCH.FOR SALVATION. They teach that water baptism is necessary FOR SALVATION. That is NOT what scripture teaches, which is my whole point about the Church of Christ and its doctrines.
I can’t make it any clearer than that.
@@TrueSight_333
So should we follow repentance with water baptism?
@@2Chronicles714_ Nobody is arguing against that. Scripture teaches very clearly that we should be water baptized - what I'm addressing is the twisting of the Word to suggest water baptism is a requirement in addition to the finished work of Christ for salvation. Are you in the Church of Christ?
"Once Saved Always Saved" is just a way of discussing what eternal means in the promise of Eternal Life; see 1 John 2:25. The Holy Spirit will abide in us and teach us, but God also wants us to abide in the Spirit, not because we'll lose our salvation, but because we'll have confidence of being a faithful servant doing His work when He returns for us.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even ETERNAL life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him ABIDETH in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
28 And now, little children, ABIDE in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
All I need you to say is do you believe once save always saved or not. If you do, you're wrong.
James 5:19-20 says that we can save someone...that right there should tell you that he is not talking about salvation from hell; because only God alone can save someone from hell....so that right there proves you guys are wrong. People can save other people from many things, but eternal condemnation is not one of them.
Awesome!
Excellent clarification, Bob .
It all comes down to Knowability . It's gotta make sense , for it to be true . That's the definition of Objective truth , that alone renders all Unknowability as impossible to sustain .
All subjectivity is thus impossible to sustain as a metric for entrance into His Kingdom .
One's purely fallible and entirely Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death never rises to the level of assurance . It Tops Out at Doubt ; the antithesis of faith .
Only belief in Him for what He actually certifies (John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,1⁰,11:23-27,20:31) regenerates forever .
Not one passage in Scripture contradicts His doubtless Guarantee .
Not one passage states :
"Whosoever repents (turns from an Unknowable level of sins till death) and kinda?...sorta??...almost always???...completely????...walks in righteousness till death shall be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom".
Nor :
"Whosoever that doesn't repent (turns from some?...most??...All???...sins till death) shall go to the endless lake of fire".
Yet , to exegetically prove any works righteousness soteriology , one must Necessarily produce the above-mentioned .
Verifiably - thus Objectively - there exists no such passages .
Therefore , the affirmation that one's behavioral performance (works) till death determines one's Everlasting destination is Necessarily untrue .
Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Phillipians 3:9 ; and the book of Galatians remain the insurmountable barrier to any such attempts to "come in some other way" than faith alone In Christ alone FOR His doubtless Promise of endless Life (John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9) .
Lots of human reasoning! Lots of long words! Same thing Satan told Eve!
@@Marshill1715your comment doesn't make any sense. Satan told eve that god was lying and that the forbidden fruit would make them like god.
How does that sound like something this brother said?
Yeah you talk too much. Those passages in the gospels about repenting, and entering into the Kingdom is NOT for the born again Christian. That's why you have to pull out passages outside of the Pauline epistles to disprove eternal security, completely ignoring Romans 8:38-39 KJV.
Another arrogant wannabe scholar who refuses to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
@@ashtonmmton1554 Because the "brother" is lying or is willfully ignorant to rightly dividing his Bible, and using dispensationalism. Christ was talking to Jews and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, which is NOT the same gospel as the gospel the born again believer is saved under.... the gospel of the grace of God (Acts 20:24 KJV)
Christ hadnt even died yet to believe in the death, burial and resurrection yet....
Study your Bible to show yourself approved unto God. (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV)
@@kevin9084 i definitely realize what jesus was talking about when saying the kingdom is at hand. Isreal could have entered the kingdom.
That doesn't mean he never gave them the same gospel we have. How do you think jews were saved before jesus died on the cross?
Many false conversions
Preacher and self ones
However the elect will be saved!
It’s hard for me to watch two grown men who profess to be believers almost gleefully with no concern speak about how a believer can lose their salvation!
It’s also embarrassing watching these two both agree with each other concerning Scriptures that they do not understand.
Sounds like they are warning the many who use grace as an excuse to continue in unrepentant sin.
@@2Chronicles714_
What they are doing is saying that they do not believe the words of Christ concerning eternal life, and apparently they also do not understand or believe the Gospel we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, or Ephesians 2:8-9 that explains how we are saved, and how we are not saved!
@@Adam-gm5tm
This is how to be saved.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins?
Acts 2:31-32.
Acts1:1-8
Says this teaching is for all,you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth.
Luke 24:44-47
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS Starting in Jerusalem.
Jesus said:
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Jesus again reaffirms Peter to start the church in John 21:17
The third time he said to him, Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you."
"Feed my sheep.
Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church.
This was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved.
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do?
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Peter again includes Gentiles.
Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying,
So then,even to Gentiles, God has granted REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO LIFE".
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance but now COMMANDETH ALL PEOPLE EVERY WHERE TO REPENT.
[Including Gentiles]
Acts 20:21
I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus.
Acts 22:16
And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul recounts his encounter with Jesus.
Acts 26:18-20
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, SO THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS and a place among those who are SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME.’
19“So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven.
20First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD (believe) and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds/works/lifestyle.
Paul again on repentance leading to salvation.
2 Corinthians 7:9-10
Yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because YOUR SORROW LED YOU TO REPENTANCE. For YOU BECAME SORROWFUL as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. 10GODLY SORROW BRINGS REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO SALVATION and leaves no regret, but worldly SORROW BRINGS DEATH.
Once saved always saved! If we were able to 'lose' our salvation then we were never saved in the first place. It is the grace and mercy of God, provided through the cucifixion of Jesus Christ on the cross, that gives salvation. We are expected to live as Jesus has instructed but we may well sin at times. If you sinned and lost your salvation then the salvation was no longer about Jesus and the Cross but about your works and no works can save a man. It's important to understand though: God's grace and mercy is not a blank check to live an intentional sinful life.
Romans 8:9 is there for us to believe, if we will just believe what Romans 8:9 is telling us!
The demons just believed to and trembled! 1 John 2:1 And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. You cant live like a Hypocrate and expect to make it to Heaven. Revelation 22:9 If anyone takes from the Words of this Prophecy I will blot out his name in the Lambs Book of Life! And there is a falling away from the truth in the end times. How can you fall away from something that you were never apart of? You need to read your word carefully instead to denominations like the Baptist that believe once saved always saved! That is a lie form hell. I will pray that everybody on here will open their eyes to the truth. Neither fornicators, neither idolaters, neither adulterers will enter into the kindom of heaven.
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You are not describing the Gospel we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
The Lord Jesus says all who believe on Him have everlasting life!
Well Adam I pray that you will search the scriptures and pray about that God will open your eyes to the truth!! You cant live any way in this world sinfully and make to heaven!! @@Adam-gm5tm
If Bob doesn't believe the Word then there is nothing to explain, Bob's explanations are not scriptural.
If infact you can loose your salvation, how can you trust you saved in the begining.
We are saved by Faith which means faithfully walking with Jesus and striving to be obedient,confessing sin when necessary until the end.
@@2Chronicles714_ you totally missed my point. Salvation is faith in Jesus and what He did on the cross, not by works even though works are fruits of salvation. Jesus talked about general life by believing in Him not by works. I hope that clears things up you.
@user-xq6rj7gh9p
I don't advocate works.
I stress that If Christ is our Lord we must strive to obey Him. Obedience to Jesus is taught by Jesus Himself as well as Peter and Paul.
@@2Chronicles714_ first off you totally missed my point in my original, and in my second point. Yes obedience is important but salvation comes by believing and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior, if salvation is for eternal life why then would believer lose salvation accept by denying Jesus' as Lord and Savior. Jesus said I come that those who believe might have eternal life, did He lie or is salvation eternal.
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Can someone enter the kingdom of God without sins being forgiven?
People are blind and dont get that within Gods people there were always 2 groups...Priests and common people.
All those verses spoken here are considering those who teach/preach,not common people..
Jas 5:19
Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from THE TRUTH,
So speaking false Gospel/lies...That´s the sin..Who correct him will cover multitude of sins..Those who will listen to guy and believe his lie
Paul speaks also taking good care on what He speaks...Peter also say they came to knowledge,but again spreading lie..Always about priests,teachers,preachers..Not common people..
Mar 12:38 Then He said to them in His teaching, “Beware of the scribes, who desire....
Mar 12:40“who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.”
James 3:1My brethren, be not many teachers, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Mat 25:40 “And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’
All about shepherds/teachers/priests..nothing to do with the common people....His little once
Defend the faith bob
If you believe in OSAS then you believe in remarriage after divorce. Jesus said remarriage after divorce is adultery. Paul said only the death of a spouse can someone can get remarry (1 Corinthians 7:39. OSAS says willing to live in adultery is ok because the Jesus and Paul didn't know what they was writing. Imagine living in a adulterous marriage and saying that is ok because "I" believe in OSAS. Read 2 Chronicles 15:2 and John 15 God says the same thing. OSAS says it's ok to divorce and remarry even if the bible says YOU CAN"T. This is a dangerous doctrine to teach christian to live willfully in adultery because someone says it's ok because you can't forfeit your salvation. Just a thought
It’s kind of interesting that King David had many wives living in polygamous adultery, but God had mercy on him a man after God’s own heart.
Most of our forefathers of the faith had many wives.
In Genesis chapter 1 God said only one man to one wife !
I believe King David, and many of
the Bible forefathers will there in heaven.
@@sappmason69 I didn't know you live by the old testament law. sorry about that!!!
Dude, King David got remarried many times at least eight times, but God had mercy and grace on him. God‘s law has never changed,only man that can’t follow it has changed,
The law of God and the law of Christ are the same, Old Testament or new God‘s law is the same.
BTW Jesus did allow for divorce haven’t you read your Bible?
@@sappmason69When Jesus Christ came He shut down Moses law. John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. That why Jesus taught the Sermon on the Mount. Everybody loves Moses but that don't like what Jesus said about divorce and remarriage. Our beloved Paul said the same thing in Corinthian 7:39
It's ok to disagree but I would read what Jesus and the Apostles said.
@freegracejake42 Jesus Christ gave us 2 Laws. Love your God and Lord with all of your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbor. How does one love God with their heart, mind and soul. I would think you obey him and just saying I trust him (Lord) and not obey him isn't love. The Lord love for marriage is one couple forever. Jesus said if a person remarry after divorce is adultery. Living in adultery can't enter the Kingdom of God. Paul says the same thing in Corinthians. So, if OSAS is true then we can just live how we want to but only believe in the death, burial and resurrection. Jesus is our King so I would think we (you) should live by the King(GOD) words. My goal isn't to bash people who got divorce and remarry. My goal is to show that God word says remarriage after divorce is adultery and adultery can't go to heaven. That one of many reasons I don't believe in OSAS.
Wow! Care to debate this? Of those who believe will "never" lose their salvation. But!!! If they turn away and no longer believe, then they are not a part if that "never" scripture.
Take care...
He who cannot earn their salvation cannot keep their salvation. Only Jesus can accomplish both.
This is self righteousness
Salvation is a life long journey to the end of your natural life.
Baptism, which is necessary for salvation erases the stain of original sin and and any personal sins committed, and all punishment for those sins. After Baptism any sins committed have to be forgiven and absolved. Has anybody never committed a sin after Baptism ?
Let's say a person is "saved" and cannot lose their salvation. If you do not do the Charitable Works of Mercy then you have lost your salvation. Also, our Lord warns us we will be separated from him forever, unless we meet the needs of the poor and the little ones, who are hes brethren. Are you still saved if you ignore what Christ said ? Of course not.
It is no use quoting one piece of Scripture out of context, and ignore all the other ones which are necessary for salvation.
Why do Protestants quote some Scripture about salvation, but ignore all the other Scripture regarding salvation ? I think they pick and choose what is comfortable for them.
For the believer, our salvation from eternal condemnation is already final.
It's not clear exactly what you're affirming .
In the interests of understanding your position , we need to know with utter clarity precisely what it is you're saying is Required to behaviorally perform till death in order to be rewarded with entrance into His Kingdom .
I've never gotten a response from this question posed to those attempting to defend works righteousness (Obedience/Fruit/Repentance as a turn from an unknowable % of sin until death is NECESSARY to go to His Kingdom) :
How good are you ?
How good do you have to be to get to His endless Kingdom ?
Show us , from Exegesis of Scripture - the unambiguous , precise , objective , doubtless (%) level of behavioral performance (works) NECESSARY per :
1. Second .
2. Minute .
3. Hour .
4. Day .
5. Week .
6 . Month .
7 . Year .
8 . Decade .
9 . Lifetime .
I'll wait for your precise , specific , objectively verifiable reply .
Make sure that you find this criteria in every Evangelistic/ Justification before God/Everlasting Life passage in Scripture , which would prove that it is indeed NECESSARY .
Not possible to understand once saved always saved correctly unless you understand Apostle Paul is your only apostle and not the 12. Gal 2:7-9. Pretending to be Israel and following law doctrine including the 4 gospels which is for Israel to obey you never will see . Most dont care what Jesus says or james 1:1 says so they cant see the plain truth this goes over mosts head.. Matthew 15:24 KJVS
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Before The Foundation Of The World:
Once Crucified,
Always Crucified,
Buried According To Scripture:
Once Resurrected,
Always Resurrected.
He's Alive,
He's Alive,
He's Alive And I'm Forgiven, Heaven's Gates Are Open Wide!
You really address the context of the passages. Your points feel like you were not being faithful to the Scripture in your interpretation. Sounds more like eisegesis
Mathew 19:24 (KJV)
24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
I guess I’m confused as to how “God’s favor” is not synonymous with salvation. It seems to me, if you lose God’s favor, wouldn’t that equate on a practical level to losing salvation?
Can't "lose" an Endless Gift , once received :
John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31 .
Thinking that it's "LOSE-ABLE" is unbelief in Him for what He undeniably Guarantees .
@@timgrady4630 that’s not my question. My question is how the phrase “God’s favor” is not functionally equivalent to salvation. If they are the same, and one can lose God’s favor, then one came lose salvation.
It’s hard to imagine how someone can be saved without having God’s favor.
I’m generally of the conviction that salvation cannot be lost once received, but this apparent lack of difference would seem to contradict that.
@@ryankelly9032
The Gift of God is a free gift , apart from all perseverance in behavioral performance (works) :
Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .
The Gift itself is given on one condition: faith in the Christ FOR His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/ Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Only simple persuasion (belief) accords with unmerited favor (Grace) .
Paul specifically designates the sole instrument that acquires the Forever Gift:
..."therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) .
One has "fallen from grace" when one is attempting to be Justified before God by works , in context .
Precisely what the Judaizers in the book of Galatians were doing , as Dr. Wilkin pointed out .
@@ryankelly9032 @ryankelly9032
The Gift of God is a free gift , apart from all perseverance in behavioral performance (works) :
Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6 ,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .
The Gift itself is given on one condition: faith in the Christ FOR His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life in every conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/ Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Only simple persuasion (belief) accords with unmerited favor (Grace) .
Paul specifically designates the sole instrument that acquires the Forever Gift:
..."therefore it (eternal Justification before God) is by faith that it might be according to Grace that the Promise would be Certain" (Romans 4:16) .
One has "fallen from grace" when one is attempting to be Justified before God by works , in context .
Precisely what the Judaizers in the book of Galatians were doing , as Dr. Wilkin pointed out .
@@ryankelly9032
What's John 5:24 state ?
John 6:28-47 ?
John 11:23-27 ?
Ephesians 2:8-9 ?
Romans 3:20-5:11 ?
John 10:26-29
Ephesians 1 (KJV)
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¹³ In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
¹⁴ Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14 reminds us that we are sealed in the Holy Spirit. This permanency means you cannot lose your salvation (Rom 8:35-39). Guaranteed security, established ownership and reflective authority are three benefits of the sealing presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer.
Salvation cannot be lose because we are safe in the hand of Christ. (John.10:28-29)
I’m so greatfull for vids like these, it’s through vids and articles like these from you guys that I came to believe John 3:16 really is true. Keep jt up.
Nice job
you really haven't proven those scriptures to be wrong as taught by those of the Church of Christ. What you have proven is that appears to be no real consequence for continuing in sin without repentance. Where is the need to COP? We all die physically anyway. How can one who is grafted in because of the unbelief of the chosen, and then because of unbelief be cut off, still retain salvation? I'm sure you have a way of twisting this one around too.
"Once Saved Always Saved" (Eternal Security): Is It True? - Bob Wilkin
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Grace is given Not earned, you accept it.
I have listened to those two in the video at length on other issues and thought they knew what they were talking about. I guess they really DO NOT. What I had to back-up-and-do-a-double-take on was the quote they gave from 1 Corinthians 5 regarding the brother who was “sleeping with his father’s wife.” Those UCC guys, who said, “once saved, always saved is heresy” actually glossed right over the fact that, the Apostle Paul said that they would “hand the man’s flesh over to Satan that the man might be taught not to blaspheme” and that the “MAN’S SPIRIT WOULD BE SAVED ON THE DAY OF THE LORD.” Now, unless I’m wrong - and in this one unusual instance I do not believe I am 😏 - that would mean that “THE MAN WAS STILL ETERNALLY SAVED!!!”
It is quite simple. The spirit is never saved, the soul is. That he would not be crushed with shame and embarrassment at the Bema, but have boldness and confidence when meeting His Lord at the Bema. The text in context, Grammer, and language has perfectly NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION. "THE DESTRUCTION OF HIS FLESH.
Now in consideration of Galatians 5.25, notice Paul's obviously been informed there were carnal believers (cf. 3.3 - 'Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh') in this church who were not walking in the Spirit (vv.1-24 cf. 4.20 'for I have doubts about you.'). But did you happen to notice what he didn't say or write herein?? In other words, did he say they were 'not living in the Spirit'?? Not a word, why because he's mentioned (twice) they're issue was they were 'not' walking in the Spirit, cf., 5.16, 'I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
On the otherhand, in 5.18, '...if you are led by the Spirit..', then it would be evident in and from them (cf. 5.22-23) such as 'love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. In other words, they would be walking in the Spirit so these terms to 'live' and/or 'walk', could never have been synonomous or mean the same thing. Otherwise, why employ such words to express the same thing, and no less in the same line?? It'd be ridculous, no less circular, and redundant, right??
If these two words (walk and live) are synonymns then why would Paul have needed to write them?? Othewise these carnal Galatian believers were already walking in the Spirit.
Again, if 'walk' means also 'live'.
But my point to live here is in the sense of having already eternal life hence the Holy Spirit is in them already;-
1 Cor 3:16 "the Spirit of God dwells in you",
1 Cor 6:19 "the Holy Spirit who is in you",
Galatians 4:6 "And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”.
But Paul's main point in these, including the entire chapter of Galatians 5, and really the letters entirety, was and still is, all about sanctification i.e., a believer's temporal life/livin - see Galatians. 4.19, 'Christ is formed in you' (cf. Galatians 1.15-16, 1.20; 2.14-21; 3.3a).
Certainlu not how to maintain eternal life or eternal salvation, or to earn it, which neither are ever once hinted at or implied in the letter nor anywhere else.
So to reiterate - an important take away is Paul's implied these carnal Galatian believers were already all once eternally saved (cf. Gal 2.17-21, 3.3, 26-29; 4.1-6) or 'born from above' (i.e. John 3.3-8), and thus were at that time all still 100% guaranteed to ENTER/SEE the Kingdom of God!!
I think you have misinterpreted the meaning of this part of his letter. Paul clearly says, walk (live daily) in the spirit and you will not fullfill the lust of the flesh (then he name them) and then he warns them (again) by saying if you live this way, you will not inherit the kingdom of God !!
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Just let the scripture mean what it says.
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INHERITING THE KINGDOM OF GOD CANNOT BE REFERRING TO INHERITING ETERNAL LIFE BECAUSE FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD:
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i) (Gal 5:19-21) The Phrase Rendered "Those Who Live Like This Will Not Inherit The Kingdom Of God," Is A Warning To Believers, Secure In Their Salvation From Hell Unto Eternal Life, To Not Be Unfaithful Because If They Are They Will Not Inherit The Kingdom Of God -
In The Sense Of Not Becoming Co-Owners And Co-Rulers Of The Kingdom Of God With Jesus Christ. Individuals who were never saved in the first place are not In View who will not Inherit The Kingdom Of God, as some contend. Certainly believers Can Behave Dispicably and will disqualify themselves from their Heavenly Inheritance.And neither Is The Loss Of Salvation From Hell Unto Eternal Life. In View As Corroborated By Earlier Passages In Galatians And Numerous Other Passages.
(Gal 5:21 NASB) "[envyings, drunkennesses, carousings], and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God." =
Since passages in Galatians, Paul's other epistles and elsewhere in Scripture teach that eternal life - the salvation from hell unto eternal life - is secure within the believer, ; then the loss of salvation from hell unto eternal life is not scriptural and cannot be in view in Gal 5:19-21:
ii_a) (Gal 5:13b) Believers Secure In Their Salvation Can And Do Commit Sins All The Time Even To The Point Of Disqualifying Themselves From Receiving All Or Part Of Their Heavenly Inheritances
(Gal 5:13b NASB) "For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another" =
So it is possible for genuine believers secure in their salvation , as born again children of God by a moment of faith alone in Christ alone, (Jn 1:12-13 ) who cannot be unchilded , to walk in the flesh and even practice the egregious sins mentioned in the vice list, (cf. Gal 5:16, 17, 21, 25 and 26), without losing their salvation.
The context of Galatians chapter 5 and the rest of Scripture explicitly reject the false doctrine of the required perseverance of the saints in order to demonstrate that one is saved unto eternal life . Rather than affirming that all true believers will walk in the Spirit, Paul commands the believers at the churches of Galatia to walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh. Such an admonition would be misplaced if addressed to an unbeliever since it is impossible for those devoid of the Holy Spirit to walk in the Spirit.
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My point was these believers were eternally saved already. Now if your thinking they need to live daily or walk moment by moment in the Spirit (i.e. demonstrates love, joy, peace, self-control) in order to maintain eternal life (or they'll lose it) or to keep the Holy Spirit in them (or He'll leave permanently) then that's a false teaching.
Also, another point is that you have not explained what the warning "shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"' is or is comprised of??
If it means to never enter or see the Kingdom', as the Lord say's in John 3:2-8, that is, if a person is never born from above (made born again by God at and by a moment of belief alone in Jesus Christ alone) in their lifetimes then that's a false teaching as well.
Why?? Well, in lieu of these believers in Galatia, Paul has already proven otherwise. At least from the earlier contexts he had written them in Galatians 4:1-6,
4.1 Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all,
4.2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father.
4.3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
4.4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
4.5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
4.6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”
4.7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
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Now notice from this the context i.e., Galatians 4.4-5, 8-31, Paul's audience are Jewish believers who have appeared to have returned to observing and practicing the Law (see also Galatians 5.1-3).
4.4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born [under the law],
4.5 to redeem those who were [under the law], that we might receive the adoption as sons.
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But Paul's said they are now sons.
4.6 ".....God sent forth the Spirit of His Son (Holy Spirit) into your (believers) hearts.."
4.7 "YOU ARE NO LONGER A SLAVE BUT A SON...AN HEIR OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST."
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"A SON...AN HEIR OF GOD", it doesn't get any clearer than that.
And notice there are no conditions or to-do's to maintain that sonship or to being a child of God or to be one whose already eternally saved???
Now of course if you think Paul's reminding them here that they're already saved (God's children) and is thus merely warning them to stop observing the Law (circumcision, sabbath keeping, etc.) because they're thinking they need to do it in order to inherit the Kingdom of God (i.e., Millenial co-reign with Christ and other perks) then that's scripturally sound. At least in view of Galatians 5:1-21; 2 Tim 2:1-13 et al.
A recommended commentary of Galatians 5, See biblestudymanuals.net/gal5v26.htm
If you could do BAD works and lose your salvation you could also do GOOD works to earn your salvation. Once truly SAVED, always SAVED.
A true repentant believer wouldn't want to live a life that contradicts God's character.
If our lifestyle contradicts God's character, then claiming to be a Christian is a lie. Not talking about unscriptual sinless perfection.
Even a very mature Christian is susceptible to sin. Someone that has truly been born again will be sensitive to sin and they will be led to repentance and confession to that sin.
1 John 1:8-10
IF we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 IF we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
When was the last time you were broken over a sin because you knew it was against Gods will?
If you are sensitive to sin it will lead you to confession.
The ideology of once saved always saved is false and misleading.. those who believe in it are just as false converts as the ideology itself.
Beware if Wolves in sheep's clothing.
Matthew 5:20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Hebrews 12:14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord:
Matthew 7:21-23
I Never Knew You
(Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27)
“Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
JESUS CHRIST JUDGES ⚖️
NOT US.....
Ecclesiastes 📜 chapter 12 vs 7 and 13 and 14...
Why not just simply ASK? Ask all those, the millions of those that used to profess this that now have deconstructed. Of course you will say they were surely not saved, right? But, like you do now, they once said they were. 🤷🏽♂
What are you talking about?
@@ashtonmmton1554 i dont know how else to say it. And since so many others are saying similar things on this and other threads, OSAS is bogus, i pretty sure what i said is right on. 👍🏻 “just ask those who used to profess it and now dont”.
@@srich7503 you realize that osas is very few people? Catholics, most evangelicals, even Calvinism believes in preseverance of the saints.
Osas is the few and almost all osas come from somewhere they did not believe in osas including myself
@@ashtonmmton1554 you do realize my comment is only on this video, correct?
@@srich7503
What is it you're affirming - specifically , precisely , without exception - one must Necessarily believe in order to be born again with irreversible Everlasting Life ?
Oh man the way you BUTCHERED those texts makes me ill. The men you criticized did MUCH better with them. REPENT 🔥🔥
These guys are taking scripture out of context, scripture will not contradict itself Ephesians 1:13-14;4:30
Unfortunately, your explanations are very weak and though I am on the fence as to whether Scripture teaches once saved always saved, I can tell you that your argument was not convincing and sounded more like excuses for the particular theology you hold to. I always go back to the verse in Revelation that tells us that Christ Himself will vomit out the “lukewarm”. No matter how you spin or twist that verse, in order to vomit or spit something out it has to be in you and therefore it can only be talking about Christians/believers. This can only mean that however it works and however we try to understand or explain it some people who were once in Him won’t make it through the gates of Heaven. I guess ultimately do we really know what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is? Since Scripture is clear that that is an unforgivable sin, we might want to reevaluate our once saved only saved stance. What if blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is simply continuing to live our lives “as best we can” after we have accepted Christ and received Him??? What if “ignoring” the Holy Spirit’s guidance in our lives IS exactly what was meant by blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? I guess that is a question and argument that the church has been trying to figure out since its inception and none of us will really know until we stand before our Father…
Lukewarm people are those who can't decide whether it's by grace or by works so they settle for something in the middle, much like yourself.
As in most of the Epistles, the writers are talking to a mixed audience.
Are you willing to formally debate this?
@@colonalklink14 I don’t believe any of them are addressing a mixed audience.
@@TheLaymansSeminary There are wheat and tares in every single church.
But of course you deny that.
@@colonalklink14 I don’t deny that. But saying tares are being address’s is what I deny. I’m free grace. Don’t borrow the phenomenological belief argument that Scott McKnight argued and lordshippers popularized.
Sounds great!!! So I've been thinking about staying late with the church treasurer and getting to know her a lllittle better but didn't know if i could get by with it! After hearing you I'm sure i can! Thanks bobbie! Well said!
Are you willing to formally debate free grace or do you only have sarcasm to offer?
You seem to think that you need to use free grace as an excuse to sin.
Grace isn't grace if the possibility of abusing it doesn't exist.
We can't change the gospel just because we think that someone might abuse grace.
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Jude 4
For certain individuals WHOSE CONDEMNATION WAS WRITTEN ABOUT LONG AGO HAVE SECRETLY SLIPPED IN AMONG YOU THEY ARE UNGODLY PEOPLE WHO PERVERT THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY AND DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD.
So in your mind God's grace is an excuse to sin?
@@goodshorts I never said anything about that.
It's certainly not an excuse to sin.
However let's be absolutely clear here grace isn't grace if the possibility of abusing it doesn't exist.
This verse scares me
Let’s just make this simple. Judas is a great example, and unfortunately, a sad one walked with Christ every single day literally in the flesh betrayed him, and he killed himself which the Bible said that he was a devil from the start. He was the son of perdition. A lot of people get tangled up in the word saved, which means salvation, which is to all men who will let him come John 3:16 basically anyone who would choose to love Christ, but remember many are called, but you are the chosen Romans chapter 8 deals with predestination. These chosen ones do have salvation, but they’re on another level, which is called redemption to them. These are sons of God, not everyone is a son of God. Because we will say on that day, Lord Lord, he’ll say depart for me I never knew you.
“The keyword being a castway:
a term in the potter's house. If a potter would work a beautiful work on the wheel (we'll say it was a beautiful vase; and it was supposed to contain a liquid), but after finishing it and painting it beautifully the potter discovered a fine crack in it where it wouldn't hold water. Then, rather than just pitching the vase in the trash, the potter would sit this beautiful vase on the shelf for sale only as an ornament type vase. Now the term "a castaway" was too good to throw away, but it was no longer of any workable use. Now this is what Paul is talking about. You can't lose your Salvation if you ever had it, but oh that we might work and maintain our testimony so that we won't be put on the shelf as no longer usable, even though we may have all the outward appearance of being believers, but that we might also be functional. That we can do that which The Lord saved us to do.
this to me is foolishness because quite frankly the lambs book of life has everyone that the Lord wants saved will be saved and this was written before the foundations of the world were ever thrown into existence. only God can save you if you are the elect. so if you are the elect then you will never loose your salvation because it was given to you before you were ever born. again then this foolishness to even be talking about this.
Does God Elect Some to Everlasting Life and Others to Eternal Condemnation? - Bob Wilkin
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@@GESvidsno i do not adhere to double predestination. we are all on our way to hell because of our sin nature. so only God and God alone gives the gift of eternal life to whom he wants to. these people were already elected before God created the universe or this physical dimension. So yes he did predetermined some for heaven and let everyone else go on there merry way to hell. God says I will have mercy on whom i will have mercy talking about salvation.
1 Timothy 2:3-4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes
shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Only those who reject repentance and those who don't contine in the Faith until the very end will be blotted out of the book of life.
Matthew 24:13
The Greek says He who has endured till the end, this is the one that will be saved.
The devil made Eve question God's word too. Adding a question mark to a sound doctrine of eternal salvation comes from the same spirit Eve encountered with the serpent. "Yea, hath God said?" Question mark. In other words, Did God really say you have eternal security????????
You have obviously never read Acts.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God died on the cross was buried and rose again for our sins?
Acts 2:31-32.
Acts1:1-8
Says this teaching is for all,you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth.
Luke 24:44-47
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to ALL NATIONS Starting in Jerusalem.
Jesus said:
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Jesus again reaffirms Peter to start the church in John 21:17
Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things: you know that I love you."
"Feed my sheep.
Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church.
This was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved.
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do?
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Peter again includes Gentiles.
Acts 11:18
When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying,
So then,even to Gentiles, God has granted REPENTANCE THAT LEADS TO LIFE".
Acts 17:30
In the past God overlooked such ignorance but now COMMANDETH ALL PEOPLE EVERY WHERE TO REPENT.
[Including Gentiles]
Acts 20:21
I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they MUST TURN TO GOD IN REPENTANCE AND HAVE FAITH in our Lord Jesus.
Acts 22:16
And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on the name of the Lord.
Paul recounts his encounter with Jesus.
Acts 26:18-20
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, SO THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SINS and a place among those who are SANCTIFIED BY FAITH IN ME.’
19“So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven.
20First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD (believe) and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds/works/lifestyle.
No one is saved without repentance and belief
@@2Chronicles714_ Funny how you don't quote a single passage from the Pauline epistles , everything is in Acts which is a transitionary book from the Jews to the Gentiles.
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What does that even mean?
It's ridiculous.
Is the Apostle Paul in Acts an imposter ?
Is Paul in Acts not the same one in his epistles?
All of Paul's epistles are written for believers.
The only book in the Bible that explains how to be born again is Acts..
@@2Chronicles714_ read what you are pasting. Acts 2:37 they asked "what shall we do?" Water baptism in verse 38 is part of the answer, but it has nothing to do with salvation from Hell.
Shabab, when this first guy reads the verse believer, he goes straight and he’s able to bring him back. He saves him this contacts it talking about physical data, not eternal death so when I look at this man with the black beard, I see that he can’t understand the word of God he does not know how to understand simplicity what do you think he has a platform how did he get a platform when he doesn’t even understand simplicity
THE BIBLE VERSE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SAYS IF ANY AMONG YOU, NOT ANY OF YOU
AMONG IS THE KEY WORD.
THERE IS ALWAYS FALSE CONVERTS AMONGST THE BROTHERS.
WAKE UP.
😂😂😂😂these men are lost