1957 High school exchange students - Lebanon, France, Israel, Turkey. Subject Prejudice part 2
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2020
- Turkey and Lebanon argue about whose nation is truly civilized
France is open minded, yet holds to the belief that colonialism is/was a force of good
Lebanon and Israel have words, in a way that sounds not much different than it would today
10:30 "You kids are living in an age where communication is instant" such a great quote for 1957
🤣🤣 Ikr! The irony, man! 🤣
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Funny how the french girl is strongly prejudiced against the german who went to war with them but expects the arabs to easily forgive and forget more than 100 year of french colonization.
Love these
When Ziyad discussed the matters of Israel and Palestine to Daphne, there is still relevance in terms of understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict and how it’s still relevant to this day with the recent events in the Gaza Strip. The Nakba was still fresh in the minds of the Palestinians and fellow Arabs considering it was almost a decade since that happened at the time of this discussion, so hearing someone talk about this directly to an Israeli was powerful. What makes this more bittersweet was Ziyad’s pronouncements for peace afterwards, which renders impossible in the coming decades with subsequent wars and continued dehumanization among the Palestinians by the Israeli government.
When talking about the episode as a whole, it may not be as exciting and riveting as the others relating to prejudice (considering the first two episodes on that subject had more interesting discussions thanks to its respective participants; and we have no clue how the last one went on but its summarized talking points in an article in the Senior Scholastic magazine were pretty fine) but it still holds on its own thanks to the perspectives shared here. Ziyad was brilliant here, yet Daphne and Catherine also held their own here as well. I wished there was more coming from Selma, but she did decently here.
The Turks have protected Arabs against Cristian attacts for more than 1 thousand years. Knowing Turks and living with them may be the best thing for Arabs. Algerian and Lebaneese people have never learned Turkish language but they can speake French language at present. Turks did not teach their language to Arabs in 450 years but French teuhght French language to Arabs only in 20-30 years Why? The reason is that Turks were not emperialist but Frenchs were.
Turks are the worst thing that happened to the Middle East after the Mongols!
They started a dark age after what that region has contributed to the world in a Renaissance, to then let Europe over take with science, philosophy and social change.
They didn't allow the use of the printing press for God's sake!
They didn't abolish feudalism, slavery or try to develop the countries they ruled over.
@@aa-zz6328 You have to evaluate a term or period according to its possibilities. Slavery was a reality of the world in that age such that it was more softly lived in Ottoman empiros. Slave people had their own rights. Also making slaves get free was much better in islamic culture.
Because Turkish was never a prestige language, and the Turks never opened schools or universities in the areas they colonised. Everyone around the world WANTED to learn French as it was the language of culture, science and learning. Even in Ottoman-era Istanbul whole wealthy neighbourhoods like Pera (Beyoglu) spoke French without ever being ruled by France. Nobody ever had a reason to learn Turkish because it was the language of death.
@@OhMaDayzz You are absolutely wrong. There were some periods that Turkish states were the only super power of the world in history. Everything Turkish was more interesting for the other people in those periods. However it was not a state policy of Turks as French people have ever done. Turkish people have built some schools in Balkans, Arabia or Africa, but those scools were not to convert other peoples' cultures or religions, because this policy is not Islamic. In Islam, It is forbidden to convert any people to muslim by force and all muslims must be peacefull towards other religions and cultures.
@@nurettinsarul Was Turkish ever a prestigious language people wanted to learn? No. And please explain why commercial centres like Pera in Istanbul, which was never colonised by France, still spoke French? Because French is the language of culture, learning and civilisation. Turkish never had such status. Turks used Persian as their prestigious language of culture and learning.
Not the comment section defending colonization, whether it was the turks or the french either way it was bad. Colonization is never good, period
Yes especially since the United States & Canada were founded as a colonial country, from people from Europe, who love to downplay their role in colonization, genocide, and slavery, but have the audacity to point their fingers at Turks or others.
Camels and desert sand... That was what Lebanon and Arab lands have had at the times of Turkish rule... They were speaking their own language... Until the French showed up. Then they started to speak French... This is what real colonization kid...
Lebanon has no desert you idiot and we are mostly christian
Neither are colonizers!
It has come from nationalistic movements in the late 18 and early 19-hundreds to feel victimized from so called imperialists and colonialists, that are actually just occupiers that come and go since the beginning of history.
I frankly don't know why they want to feel victimized and not proud. There is no Turkish or Western European settlement/colony in the Middle East, our own settlements stretch back thousands of years to be the first cities. Colonization is only what happened in savage lands not in the cradle of civilization.
In Lebanon there is a majority Muslim. You are right though we don’t live in a desert. It also doesn’t matter if we are Christian or Muslim bc the kid speaking I am pretty sure I’d and I am proud to have him speak for me anyway over some kateeb stoge.
No you idiot there are some French colonies in Asia but they still speak their own language.
Get off your high horse turk, read history dummy read about Djemal Pasha but you won't and your schools won't too because they know what he did so please zip your stupid mouth shut
Lebanon is on point. The French gaslighting as usual « They are so angry that I wish they could calm down and show some tolerance so I could listen to them. » Ofc they express their anger! Why shouldn’t they when even today you don’t apologize and skirt around the atrocities committed in the past- in the name of secularism and spreading their ideas- as if they didn’t happen!
Yup right in the spot. On the other hand "our oil" was far fetched.
Sir,
You are talking about a girl. It was not her fault any of that happened. You can say that about 80% of any population. They have no idea what is going on and they have been told a noble story. What would you believe about your familiars? They are saving or they are hurt?
When you reach the obvious conclusion, there is no need to go on beyond that.
Today, we are fortunate enough to learn more about other areas but people would still rather be spoon fed a story. That’s human nature. If it was the other way around, it would be no different.
Can events like this happen again in 2024 or the future?
Kids then debate about real life stuff while kids nowaday busy with their tiktoks. Smh...
The Lebanese gentleman is a very intelligent spokesman.
Intelligent but brainwashed and butthurted
Lebanese guy is very smart
4:34 lebanese granpa spitting facts right there🤣 Also true that the majority of the turkic tribes of central asia had already taken to islam before the ottoman forerunners invaded (non-islamic) anatolia then
As all of us Lebs. We’re just very educated people :)
May be odd but I love watching this when I’m stoned asf
İ like this Lebanese guy more than jordanian and Egyptian one
Türkçe,arapça alt Yazı niye yok?
We should have more of these!
Things have not changed so much since 1957 after all... In 2021... Lebanon would still like to be a modern country but is being held back by political and religious factions in its country, Turkey is still missing a leader and trying to re-Ottomanize the Middle East, France is still living on its 18th century laurels, and Israel stands alone as a working democratic nation in the Middle East, with plenty of violence and corruption there anyway...
@@JerjerB What do you know about the Turkey in 1957? I guess nothing. Since 1957 many things have changed in Turkey. Turkey was a modern country until 1970's. Actually Turkey was the only advocate of secularism in middle east. With the reforms of the republican people's party, which is the party founded by Ataturk, it was even ahead of many European countries in terms of women's rights, science, secularism, anti-religiousism and the struggle against fundamentalism. women were given the right to vote and be elected before European countries such as France and Switzerland, and the first female fighter pilots were trained. The theory of evolution began to be taught in schools and they were taught that religion had no place in science.
Turkey is also one of the first countries to recognize Israel. And israel was one of the loyal ally of turkey.
@@byldrm7517 well said brother.
@@JerjerB that "re-Ottomanize" rhetoric is a very recent political strategy
Atatürk and his followers didn't have such goals.
Ah yes, the ancient MUN conferences
lebanon❤️
He really is a pan-arabist .
Why because he is pro-human rights? Palestine was a leftist issues (even by then it was taken up by The Black Panther Party and Latino groups like Sadinistas in the late 70s) and the starving of mount Lebanon (which happened in the 1800s) which happened before pan-Arabism was a thing. Btw boo Algerian issue was a tamazigh issue too, even French students would destroy property out of outrage to frances brutal policy against Algerians. stay mad boo.
The Lebanese guy was spitting the truth. He seems very educated and knowledgeable.
And brainwashed with false facts… especially about the Turks.
Meral akşener programa mu katılmış bilmem
Türk kızın o saçı ne öyle? Biz kuzey kore miyiz? Kaldı ki 1950ler ülkenin en modern dönemiydi
Takıldığın şey bu mu o zamanlar kaşlarını bile almıyolardı her dönemin bi modası var
SANANE İSTEYEN İSTEDİĞİNİ YAPAR İSTEDİĞİ ŞEKİLDE KESER SAÇINI VE HER DÖNEMİM FARKLI BİR MODASI VAR
@@rastgelmeyelim5902 ya birak hahaha hic olacak iş mi saç😂 buraya gidenleri hangi liseden secmisler acaba
@@rumeysaonul7979 valla bu saç hiç bir dönemin modası degil ben begenmedigmi soyluyorum sadece
If Turks were colonists, Kusami would speak Turkish.
14:25 is very powerful
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Lebanon guy's accent sounds like PeterSweden's accent
1355 Arabs ran out of country 😢 what a prejudice
British took the land form the Ottoman in 1918. The Ottomans took the land from the (Turkmen) Mamluks in 1517. The Mamluks took the land from the Ayubids (Kurds) in 1250 or so. The Ayubids took the land from the Crusaders (Latins) the Crusaders took the land from the Fatmids (Shia Muslims from Egyptian who were berbers) who took the land from the Abbasids who took it from the Umayyad who took it from the Byzantines who were Romans who invaded the Greek and (Jewish) Hashmoneans...Anyway the Arabs and Jews got their states from the British in 1920 at San Remo.
Arabic is the official language in the area so yes you have to learn it madame!
Yep, my family had to run from Lebanon in wwi
Unfortunately arabs weren't any better in my point of view. I mean the teen says "our oil" but all Lebanon got was the instability and no investment.
I witch my familly do this
@@puraLusalebanon does not have oil but okay bro
Ya Allah affetsin de bu moderatör ablada tam ilkokulda öğrencilerini cetvelle dövecek köy enstitüsü mezunu despot kadın sınıf öğretmeni tipi yok mu?
köy enstitüsünü nerde gördün
ayrıca orda kimse dayak yemezdi
@@nisantasicoocugu216 köy enstitüsünde demiyorum, köy enstitüsü mezunu diyorum. Nişantaşı Çocuğu mu biliyor köy enstitülerini? Son yıllara kadar Türkiye'de üniversite hariç tüm eğitim öğretim kurumlarında dayak yaygın ve serbestti. Kendim de bol bol nasiplendim.
Smart kids debating tough issues. Before they were woke. Today two or three of them would be crying.
Agree world is going downhill
The Lebanese kid seems quite knowledgeable. He’s still relevant in 2024
Lebanon is based
In Africa!
@@jaibanks7151 Lmao😂😂😂
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 why? Is is!
@@jaibanks7151 Your comment is funny
@@mwanikimwaniki6801 okay!
For anyone that defends the Ottoman empire and their occupation over Lebanon know NOTHING, educate yourself then comment properly
They’re hashing out some old beefs. Going back 500 years, Constantinople was the capitol of the Byzantine empire for 1000 years. And dating back to antiquity, the Ancient Greeks occupied the lands.
Ones time traveling in tunusia and ask to tunisian friend this question: what do you think about ottoman managing your country? He anawered me like this: doesnt matter who manage to us! Just one important point is how is effected my life? “ this kind of people has no nationalism. So it doesnt matter who manage to them.
Lebanon’s a chad, wish there were more like him looking for the best of Lebanese Arabs and not a particular sect or religious division in the country right now
I'm just here to ship the girl from France to the boy from Lebanon...ahahaa excuse me
They probably died with their mistakes
Türk kızı bıyıklı mı? 😒
Okadar şey arasında buna mı takıldın gerçekten 🤠🔫
that arab guys interrupts the ladies,taking away their rights,by talking about turks,ottomans,israelis taking away arab rights...
Of course Turks have a civilization befere taking the religion of Muslim. Our religion is Shamanizm and we believe in Gök Tanrı only. Also we gave women's rights much more than Arabic people.
Funny how Arabs use the same arguments that Russians use today about "Defending the Donbas"
lol is that why almost all arab countries are supporting your pitiful country against russia.
funny arab and turk, both leaving thier religion and take western ideology, sekular and nationalis. now you wonder why your civilization crumble?
It is not about ideology.And these ideologies are not from west as you know.Every people has different ideologies that defens their thoughts.Our civilization is not crumbling as you wish,do not worry.They said this every time on centuries and what happened?
there is no civilization without secularism. secularism is not an ideology, it is a fundamental human right. It doesn't matter whether it originates from the west or east. The understanding of a civilized state has to stay at the same distance to all its citizens regardless of their religion. where there is no secularism, there is no justice, equality and freedom.
@@byldrm7517 people love secularisme because they wont have to scare to do bad thing in politics and other thing like business, they can bribe they can cheat in business, they don't afraid god because god only at mosque/church for them. Islam only pray,fast and hajj for them, reality islam are more than religion, islam is a way of life, even in politic you have to follow islam, no cheating no bribe no sin. maybe you love your leader who don't scare to God when they doing bad thing in politic and govern the country, they use thier power so they can be rich and abused the weak people.
if the leader afraid the God, they never bribe or cheat or doing something injustice because they know even if they don't get caught and punish by police and go to jail, they never can run from God judgement, even an atom of deed will be judge and they will pay in hereafter by God the most Just. this leader will never abused thier power and never doing bad thing, more than sekular leader who have nothing to scare or prevent them to doing what they want to do.
@@barbaroslar2235 true moral people do not have to feel fear in order not to do evil. If fear is what keeps you from doing evil, then you are already evil. Also, when you go to an anti-secular state practice, you will never know who truly believes or is afraid of God. crimes are committed by people, and an anti-secular state structure cannot prevent crimes from being committed. So there is no logical explanation for your argument. religion is a spiritual feeling. you never know who really believes in what or who is afraid of why.
cheat and bribery are not only seen as bad in religious values. it is considered bad in basic human morality. that is, good or evil has no connection with religions. secularism does not encourage people to do evil. finally, people do not have to believe in Islam and be judged by its laws. people are free to believe or not believe what they want. islam and all other religions are medieval practices that includes many laws that are contrary to science, morality, and conscience. please don't ask what these are. because it take me a long time to explain it.
@@byldrm7517 you chose who and what you want to follow, we muslim chose to follow our Prophet Muhammad, he not just a religious leader he also the prime minister/President of Madinah, after Prophet Muhammad 4 khalifah Rasyidun, Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali also leader of Muslim nation, we muslim believe and follow this, the leader must be someone who have knowledge in Islam deeply and follow Islam in his life, if the people who have Islamic knowledge and afraid to God not join politic and became leader, the government and the people will be lead by people who don't have knowledge about Islam or someone who don't practice islam, they will do zalim to the people because they are jahil. you can see all the muslim leader that corrupt it is not because islam make them weak, but because they not follow Islam and take other way of life in thier government. we also will be ask who we vote to became our leader and who we follow after we die, if you want to follow the people who not afraid of God it up to you, but muslim want to follow and to be lead by someone who know God and afraid to do what God hate and doing what God ask, that is to do good to the people they leading.