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dude congrats i dont know if you were losing wight or not but you look much thinner and healither now then back then keep up the good work
I haven't made the financial jump to HDZero yet, but I do plan to make that change.
On my Skyzones I switched to the double Axii and it made a big difference in how I fly. I can fly around myself with much better reception. No more trying to shoot a signal through that large melon on my shoulders 😄. It was definitely worth the investment. I also pair it with an Axii patch.
Amazing timing with the video. Friend just got into FPV and had some antenna/reception questions. Lots of good pointers in for us newer kids, and reminders for vets heh. Thasnks for the video, so looking forward to goggles shipping. Should be soon. Cheers!
Im so glad I didnt buy into the DJI ecosystem, cant wait til I can afford HD zero
I'm with you on this!!
Stay away. This is not finished product. Nothing but problems. I think they spent all R&D money on youtubers.
thanks for appreciating Nick 👍, and refreshing tips for newbie in this fpv hobby like me with alot of silly question 😁
Great timing for the vid! I just sat down with a snack and a drink ready to enjoy the video
Surprisingly, you gave information i didn't know before. Thank you!
Nick, we appreciate what you do!
Thank you!
Thanks for all the tips and everything you do for the hobby, Nick! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great video. Very informative! Your tips will aid those wishing to fly indoors.
Useful information as always my friend. Thank you!
Great advice Nick thank you for sharing.
When I first started, I thought that I was going to wear out my channel switch. It was some time back in one of your video you said you use race 8. I have not changed my channel yet. So I thank you and so do my goggles. Great video.
Outstanding video! Wifi in the 5.8GHz band uses 5725-5875MHZ. I'd suggest you choose a channel outside that range to start (I fly F8 5880MHZ, while my gurl is on E8 way out at 5945MHZ). I whoop in a multi unit condo on a golf course, an RF nightmare, and fly long-ish range (1.2W FPV) planes on the fairway out front. I found it's pretty clean in those channels, and can fly out to, well, extremely irresponsible distances with the planes.
Can't wait to get my hdzero goggles, ordered early February.
i’ve used the wildfire for 3 years now. Tried fusion and rapid fire but go back to the wildfire for whoops.
Been using an old achilles module lately that will let you take up 2 full bands! It’s pretty sweet! When it goes out it’s bad thing like rapid fire scrolling
Just bought mine but i had to do the split payments. Paying 160 for 4 months and its a perfect way to make it more(ish) affordable
Yow....good frequency selection and pilot placement are king. Next would be antennas, and then reciever.
I usually fly 200mW and never fellt the need for more because I'm scared of losing the quad or having to take a very long ride to bring it back.
Great information Nick👍🙏👍🙏
You know its good when the Video starts and all the Tips he gives are illegal in your country😂
Thanks Nick.
Nice video nick..always waiting next video from you..😊😊
would be a cool reseption test when u fly from your inside spot one time around the house :D
I was backorder 1300 and I have mine now!
Thanks for the hint on R8.
Very informative video. 👍🤓
I turned the 5ghz off on my router and it made a world of difference a few years ago. 5ghz only seems to benefit u if your close to the router anyway. And my 2.4 is so fast that I don’t miss 5ghz
Great vid - thanks for the info!
Don't forget the quad side if you can change things - good & appropriate antenna, up away from the quad/not to close to carbon or metal, capacitor on the power leads, and maybe a ferrite toroid around the video lead. And of course a good vtx and camera 🙂
Wow I never heard of a "ferrite toroid" before. Thanks for teaching me some new stuff 😎
I wonder if the clip on ones at Amazon are any good...
@@sunsetpark_fpv I'm no RF expert, but think they'd be ok, just big/heavy. I have 14mm x 9mm x 5mm (od id w) to fit the 3-pin camera plug easily, but not too heavy. I think you're supposed to get "mix #34" (vs any higher), as that will give you a lower cutoff.
@@BooDevil65 Thank you for the tips! Much appreciated.
Take your antennas off your goggles only in the house . Especially if flying from the basement . Way less interference and you will get great reception without the antenna. You will get reduced reception but you don’t need that unless you live in over a 3800sqr foot house . The best way to get great reception is the antenna on the quad . The better the antenna and location the better the signal .
@nickburnsfpv
Excellent video. Yes, you answered pretty much all of my questions. I had been thinking about getting just what you have, but can't come to grips with the cost. I only fly for fun and do Nothing with the video, so the cost of the goggle is simply way beyond what I can justify. I am also looking into a mod for the Eachine EV800D goggles that allow it to use those
"add on" modules. Now, THAT is something that I can justify.
Yes, it is very very expensive.
I'm going to put thst rapid fire module on my fatshark scout goggles because the auxiliary port on the side of the goggles will connect to it with some wires connected to the correct spots, abd a 3d printed holder for the side of the goggles
The HD-Zero customer service email I received a couple of weeks ago said that they are producing 100 units a day currently. They started shipping in China on Mar22 and the US orders start shipping around April1, according to their site.
I ordered mine on Jan10 and I was told I was 800th (approx.) in line. I think pre orders started on Jan6. So that means that 200 orders were placed each day. If that pace continued for the month long sale price of $500, that would mean that approx. 6000 units were sold during that time. Two more months have passed since then. So if the sales dropped to half the sale price time that would mean that 6000 more goggles were sold, but I'm just guessing that number.
Based on a little bit of real data and A LOT of assumptions and estimations, that would mean that 12,000 units were sold so far since Jan. It would be easy to find out if someone placed an order now and asked how many people were in front of them in line. I don't have $600 right now to find out, though. 😅
Good info Nick..👍🏻
I can say, my friend and I flew together outdoors, he would ride along with his Foxeer Widefire and he would snow out well before me using a RapidFire. We messed with settings and never could it match the performance of the RapidFire. He now owns a RapidFire.
Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Ah that is good info on the wildfire. Prior reports were much more positive
@@NickBurnsFPV
Also, we both had freshly charged goggle batteries, HDOs, and the same Lollipop antennas... Not super scientific, but real and noticeable differences...🍻
If the quads aren't identical, you cant compare that easily
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🤣 Right... We were in the same quad...🍻
More than one person can use that module? How is that achieved?
Raceband 8 is usually a bad idea. VTXs will put out significantly more power on lower frequencies like R1. In case of the betafpv M03 this difference is enormous. 277mW on R8, 771mW on R1 and it scales linearly between them. At the same time, 5Ghz wifi rarely goes this high. You can check using an app like wifiscanner to see what frequency your wifi router is using (mine is always around 5.1-5.2 GHz) and on some routers you can configure this. Or you can even disable 5GHz on your wifi if you really must.
Hi Nick, Great video and information about reception and how you fly in your house. Unfortunately, I can't change the receiver module in my SKYZONE 03O. And my house/ Thanks again for the information
I think there's a pretty simple mod you can buy from Pyrodrones, that allows for the use of Fatshark-style modules with those. The O3O's have HDMI in, I believe, so even an external solution is possible, if not ultra practical. I also use Zkyzones, but my reception with a long lollipop and a patch is very close in reception quality as my Rapidfire.
Your know there is an official Fatshark Module Adapter for the Skyzones? I have it on my Sky03o and it works great! Just a little cable mess to sort out :-)
Hey Nick, do you maybe plan on taking a look on that new speedybee module? It is definitely cheaper, and it allegedly performs just as good as rapidfire. If not even better. I am especially curious about that rolling screen...
Nick - again appreciate what you do for the community. I've got a DJI FPV setup but I'm flying my analogs almost exclusively and don't really see the need for longer range. Is the HDZERO goggle really worth it for mostly analog use? I assume I'll eventually get an HDZERO drone or two. Perhaps just keep the DJI V2s and get an Eachine e200D? I have a rapidfire connected through a BDI into my DJIs but dang those two items together chew through the battery in about 45 minutes.
I think for most the hdzero goggles for analog isn't worth it. the optics won't make a huge impression on analog and most don't use the awesome dvr like I do. It would edge towards being worth it if one were not just flying analog but hdzero as well. Especially if faster flight is something one does as the latency is so minimal with the hdzero goggles.
At home (and outdoors) i use rapidfire on my orqas (pilot), w a foxeer stubby and a VAS omni sticking up, and have been pretty satisfied with my results- in my house i can fly from my basement, up 2 floors and to the opposite end of the house - image is great! Interestingly, my mob6 w elrs had the best analog image ive ever had! Yet at the same token, while my dvr video is excellent (i think), the color is anything but - not sure why that is.. will eventually figure it out!
The color or lack of color can be a by product of the receiver and camera in use. I have seen some dvr more "washed" out than others.
@@NickBurnsFPV interesting! The image i get from goggles is great but the dvr is washed out - that could be a result of the vtx/cam? What i do recall is my first few flights i recorded the dvr image was nice but then waned… unless thats just in my head! Now i have to go try to find my footage!
@@JThemelis My recollection of the orqa dvr is a bit washed out. I would expect from flight to flight on the same quad the recorded image to be the same. If its not, maybe...maybe it has something to do with the card or the vtx signal degrading due to heat, damage etc.
RCSchim did extensive testing with electronic equipment that measures signal strength of antennas. He found that circular polarized antennas do almost NOTHING when they are turned to a horizontal placement, like you use on your goggles. They work great vertically, but are almost worthless laying horizontally. Why don't you use a patch antenna on there instead of the horizontal antenna? You'll get better penetration, because that horizontal antenna, again, is doing virtually nothing. I'll bet you could take it completely off, and get the same reception.😎🤘
Isn’t orientation of the antenna in direct relation to the position of the transmitter? So if the quad is above or below us the antenna position is no longer horizontal but vertical.
@@NickBurnsFPV No. The way circular polarized antennas work is the antennas pattern of receiving is designed to be used vertically, and when you turn it 90 degrees, like horizontal does, it throws off the reception 90 degrees to the antenna, making it virtually non functional. Hard for me to explain...
You can find RCSchim's antenna testing video and extensive spreadsheet charts with each test result charted. He has each CP antenna standing vertical and then horizontal and in each case, the horizontal test shows the CP antenna virtually completely loses the signal. It's quite interesting! I spent quite a bit of time studying the charts after he did the tests. I found, for the price, the tall Foxeer pagoda and the red triple feed patch were the best for reception for the buck. When I bought mine, and this is before all of these price increases the world has seen on everything, the Foxeer pagoda was only $9.99 and the red triple feed patch was only about 12 - 14 bucks. I use both all the time for analog and as soon as I first used them I noticed an improvement in picture quality. Course, I refuse to pay close to $150 for Rapidfire. But, my reception with analog is great!
I'd check out RCSchim's channel for those tests and charts a few years back. Super interesting and informative. 😎🤘
3 month wait for my HDzero goggles they are great with rapidfire module fir analog. I still like dji/ Walksnail better for HD tbh
omg ! nick you know you need to put a massive antenna on your wooo like my flywoo you saw on facebook yesterday 😂
I tend to lean towards lower weight and flight performance. When I started we only had 25mw, so some breakup doesn't stop me from enjoying the flights.
@@NickBurnsFPV i know bro i was just messing around 😂i tried my best with the dipole, 1.8 grams was the difference, so it hasn't been noticeable in flight for me at all, the major change for me was actually swapping out my goggles, i was using the emax standard goggles, when i got the skyzone cobra x it's like a whole new level, for me!
Ordered HDZ’s on Feb 1st and still no ship estimate
Thanks for the advice Nick - have you had any experience flying the HD zeros on 4 stubbies vs 2 stubbbies and 2 patches? I heard that it produced more reliable range and before i pick up two more stubbies, wanted to hear your opinion. thanks!
I originally started with 2 stubbies and the two patches for hdzero. Remember, if we are behind ourselves or our head is between the quad and goggles the reception will be impacted and thus two stubbies aren't optimal if our head is in that position.
BTW, cannot legally use RB8 in the UK, as only the central four are "in band".
oh shoot. Didn't know that.
Hi Nick, I place myself in a place of the house, I fly with my Skyzone 040X then receiver on a tripod in analog and also Walksnail Avatar VRX.
HDzero is not very good. Walksnail Avatar VRX the best.
I like the raceband 8 trick, but sometimes I have found with lower quality components it can induce more noise into the feed from the camera for some reason that doesnt happen on raceband 7 or lower. Maybe it is just me.
Interesting. This is a first I am hearing of such a thing. It is a curious finding.
@@NickBurnsFPV I have never had it happen noticably on a micro quad, only on larger quads. So I think it has something to do with spurious or harmonic frequencies coming from the quad itself especially with very budget components. When it happens it looks like a diagonal rolling ripple in the video. But I usually always try R8 first, because it gets you out of wifi interference like you said.
@@deadmoo83 Good details there. Thank you
With as many whoops as you fly I’m surprised you don’t use linear antennas on the goggles.
Have you tried linear patches like Menace Viper or BiQuad 5? Curious as to why you use/recommend polarized antenna when pairing with linear stick whoop antennas.
I haven't found a benefit or reason to use linear on the goggles. Patch antenna are directional and in a receiver with blending the two signals wouldn't provide benefit if flying close in.
I record my flights with the powerplay using Fat shark hd02 and rapid fire with Immersion rc basic patch and omni and depending where I park my carcass I can traverse 4 floors from the basement to the attic with near crystal clear reception but the speed of my whoops played back on video doesn't seem nearly as fast or as intense as the actual flight in real time
@@NickBurnsFPV so arguably they wouldn’t be the best for flying from your dining table, but what about range style tests where you fly around the neighboring houses? As I recall you normally only fly beyond your fence in one direction (“left”) as I think I’ve seen so it might make sense to use a directional antenna also🤷♂️
Seeing your comparison to say a polarized patch vs a linear patch at range for those of us using crossfire/elrs on our micros.
Although it’s still a patch checkout the specs on the BiQuad 5, it’s crazy wide range.
Although I prefer the Menace Viper for clarity/range I use both these patches with HDO2/Rapidfire and my Mob7s by facing the BiQuad up and behind me acting as my “Omni”. I also have the NBD linear patch.
One place I fly is from the office at work, there is a router and I fly from inside around the outside of the building putting upto 4-5 block/brick walls between me and a control panel room with metal and lots of electric…I do get breakup around the backside but feel it got better with linear antenna.
I’ve not seen any other linear specific antennas other than the classic stick style and these mentioned, but if it’d be worth a video/reviews I’d like to see your experience and hear your thoughts as I really do feel switching to linear goggle antenna made a BiG difference for me.
What do you think about wearing out the sma connectors? I fly quite often (not at home so I gotta take it off) and afters like two years the ones on my skyzone really take it's toll. Are adapters in between the only solution?
I have not heard of others needing to replace sma connectors due to wear, unfortunately that isn't one I can confidently comment on.
Nick, is it worth it to upgrade from fatshark HD02?
depends on budget and how much you fly. Its a big cost to go to something like the hdzero goggles. yes for me, I did have to pay for the hdzero goggles.
So I bought in to a beginner set of fat shark Attitude V5 and they were fine for flying around the backyard but is there anything I can do to make them better
I don't have anything specific for those goggles. Best tips I can give are all in the video
Is the hdzero the only dvr with a deinterlacer or does orqa also has it?
yes, the last to my knowledge orqa does not have a deinterlacer on their dvr. They could have updated it, but again I haven't any definitive information if they have or haven't. One way to tell is viewing the dvr footage zoomed in the osd elements will move up and down slightly as the dvr footage plays.
Wouldn't raceband 1 be a better choice, it is not only below home wifi, but also lower frequencies tend to allow more output power from the vtx?
In my experience R8 is better, r1 tends to emitt more mw from a good many vtx but with R8 I get better clairity.
@@NickBurnsFPV thx for the input.
I agree. But a quick scan on your module is well worth it at regular flight locations. I use R8 at work but R2 at home and R1 is best outside. I’m too lazy to switch most of the time but if there is an issue i can adjust
I sit in my basement and flying without antennas. I get good video. I fly Fatshark 7 and 400mW
Newbie here: So you’re saying set the quad up to R8 in betaflight? Bc my meteor75 is set to F4 out of the box. Thought F4 was the best channel based on its factory set up. I can js change it to R8 and get way better reception then F4?
Yes, R8 is better, but might not be available or legal in all countries. Yes we can change the vtx in betaflight if it support smart audio, which most to all moden day vtx do support and bnf are setup for.
I want to know how he gets such tight barrel rolls. Mine are more like barrel loops.
Increase rates will result in faster quad responses.
@@NickBurnsFPV Hey thanks for the reply and great content. I'm pretty new and haven't really gotten into tuning yet. But I'm about too. I got a regular Meteor75, whish I would have known about the pro version.
@@zeta7SoloFPV most bnf come with pretty good pid tunes. I would worry about the tune until our flight control and skills have developed.
I think R8 isnt ISM-Band so its not legal anymore...
If i disregard beginners error of auto search instead of manually matching channels my signal significantly got better by simply moving antena on my quad. I have moblite7 and it has just a small copper wire but it was i kind of C shape. I "unwinded" it to be straight and pulled it up by a notch just to reach top of the frame and that meant a lot!
So the $35 module I bought with my goggles are going to seem cheap? After this video I guess yes? Large learning curve in fpv!
yea, but if it keeps us flying and enjoying what we have there are no "problems" with that.
I'm only on race6 because one 1⃣ of my vtx came locked and I've broken another one by pressing a button so.. no.
Dude, get a new vtx, they are inexpensive.
Gotta get good
For anyone from the EU, Raceband 1, 2, 3, 7 and 8 are ILLEGAL to use without a radio amateur's licence
All vtxs are illegal without a ham license in USA
EU pilots are already breaking a bunch of laws anyway, so it probably doesn't matter.
It’s way more than 1000. Ha. Times that by 3.
i wish some usa vendors would stock the new skyzone module RDQ someone. being i bought it from them you'd think they would stock a few.
I love my fatshark dom v3