I would say his movies from the 70s are "critic-proof", back when he really didn't know much about filmmaking and was making up the rules as he went along. You can tell, as he became more familiar with filmmaking, more comfortable, his movies became more "safe" and it started to look like made-for-tv movies, rather than obscure insane French arthouse exploitation. Simply put, Hollywood studios and John Waters is a very bad combination, and I think he would agree.
nah.. most of his movies are fairly conventional. His later ones. Mondo trash is critic proof. or pink flamingoes but his later stuff is fairly conventional.
There in lies the benefits of not giving a complete shit what critics think of your creative output. To paraphrase: ‘those that can’t create, contribute. Those that can’t even contribute, criticise!’ 😊
One commenting on the other's work is too natural, can't quite word it, but it's like Lynch comes from the same free, out of the box and values of their own, subversive, place that Waters comes from (this video really does scratch the surface of that), but that Lynch is the heterossexual and more arthouse-influenced (and less exploitation-influenced) version of Waters. No wonder Jay Bauman from RLM is a fan of both.
Waters nails it. It is mindboggling Twin Peaks, the film and the follow up series even exists given how adverse many (not all) execs are to "strange" concepts. Also, I love that Prince clip as your logo shows. Always brings a smile to my face.
Anything John Waters has to say is worth listening to since he's intelligent, witty, and thoughtful...especially if you're a fan. Love David Lynch too so this was a treat. ❤☮🌎
Lost Highway has the distinction of being the only film ever to actually induce genuine paranoia in me. And the fact that Blake ended up being a real life killer makes it all the creepier.
I kinda get what you're saying, but I dont agree at all. Waters clearly attempting to achieve structure and resolution, while Lynch does everything he can to avoid them. It's easy to be blinded by the craziness of the characters in Waters films, but if you look beyond that you clearly see a movie that have a very simple structure and a clear path towards a resolution, almost to the point of cliche (not a critique), with a moral ending where characters often go to court and end up in prison.
his movies are nowhere near as cinematically stylish. Waters is fairly 'normal' as far as his tae goes after Piunk Flamigoes. he almost became conventional. There isn't a Waters 'feel' but his writing is what defines the movie. Lynch has his own style.
@@MicahMicahel I know what you’re saying, but I think Female Trouble and Desperate Living are comparable in raunchiness to PF. After that though, he surely did take a more mainstream bent. Love Serial Mom though.
fire walk with me 👍..... one of THE coolest films EVER ! 😉..... after seeing it....i had to buy the soundtrack which is just as incredible....R.I.P angelo badalamenti 😔
There is nothing subversive about boomers. As it is, let’s not pretend Waters and his early Dreamland-era collaborators weren’t privileged upper-middle class kids playing at being poor. Not knocking him, but facts are facts.
I think there is a common misconception about Lynch and especially Blue Velvet (it doesn’t help that Lynch refuses to explain his films) that the film is about exposing the dark underbelly of 1950’s America. I think if anything he has a great appreciation for the folks of Lumberton. the film is essentially a coming of age film and sexual awakening of the main character. all of his movies exist in a duality of human nature and of Heaven and Hell. in Blue Velvet he is just showing the extremes of dark and light like he does in all of his films. as he famously said about all of the detailed hidden messaging that fans obsess over in Twin Peaks: “focus on the donut, not the hole…”
I would agree with John Waters that Twin Peaks is even more insane than Eraserhead. From the beginning, Eraserhead feels like a fantasy, its own universe. Sure, it's bizarre and enigmatic, but everything in it is like that. You're drawn to it and intrigued, but it feels like a self-encapsulated fever dream where no sense of normalcy can be established. Twin Peaks blends the mundane, the every day, with horror and the bizarre. That is more unsettling to us.
They are both American treasures and for years I felt they had a uncanny creative connection that has been overlooked. Waters being more the Jester and Lynch being more the Executioner from the same court, and both can be funny and horrific, don't get my metaphor twisted! I feel they had similar inspirations but Lynch went dark and ultra fucked with elements of humor and Waters went campy and deviant with elements of apathy and instead of straight 'horror' just grossness. Just brilliant work.
He is likely referring to a film’s reception. As a filmmaker, you put your heart and soul into something. Then you release it into the world and hope others feel that same passion. But Lynch and Waters don’t make conventional movies. So the reception is probably never going to be over the moon. But they also have enough self awareness to laugh about it.
David Lynch has famously mentioned several times that one is supposed to "enjoy the doing" when creating art. The fun is in the doing - for him the very process of giving life to his ideas is what he chases. After it's finished and the movie gets released and goes through the commercial machine is when the fun is sucked out of it.
Lynch and Waters are just all around "the dudes". There are a handful of directors that got their start around the same time period that are always great to listen to (Herzog, Carpenter, and Friedkin being others), yet I don't think any one of the them is similar to the next in the lot. Probably personality wise Lynch and Waters couldn't be any more different in a lot of ways while sharing a lot of similarities in other ways; like that introverted person who's best friend is the most extroverted person they know.
Interesting that the American Right is glamorizing the 50s, they obviously miss the conformity. They forget the highest capital income tax that the US ever had though, the one that made it possible for a man to earn enough for a house and two cars, not to mention three children and a wife at home.
Interesting the so-called left thinks they can tax and spend its way to prosperity. Ask yourself why John Waters barely spends time in Baltimore anymore and hasn’t for quite a while. All these books and personal appearances are paying for his old age since he hasn’t directed a movie since 2004.
If the government takes higher "capital income taxes" it doesn't make salaries better or lower housing or car prices. You're glamorizing the years after the 1950s. The 70s, which I lived through, were a sewer, and the late 60s was the drain that fed that sewer.
I'm not sure how the right is glamorizing the 50s. Hollywood and entertainment in general is under the thumb of the left. If it's glamorized it's done by them..
I wouldn't say I was a Lynch fan. Though I loved Blue Velvet, which was sinister and creepy, but not too surreal. His other films are a bit too over the top for me. I'm more of a Cronenberg guy, coz his stuff is Sci-fi rather than Crime.
John Waters must be one of those types who looks at a blob of paint on a canvas, and talks about it for hours for its beauty and symbolism. Meanwhile, it's a FUCKING BLOB OF PAINT. My point? David Lynch's movies/TV shows are weird, pointless and make no sense. I binge watched the original Twin Peaks, and after Laura's killer was revealed, it was the dumbest shit I've ever watched. The second coming on Showtime didn't make any sense at ALL, and wouldn't have been greenlit if it'd not had Lynch's name on it. The only thing that was any good was the movie from the 90s that was the story of Laura and her father.
I find Lynch so utterly offensive and cheesie. The striking photography- which I will credit- disguises a very sensationalist, lousy writer. Nothing but archetypes and stereotypes. Not one person or narrative has ever felt real or well thought out.
I was enjoying Twin Peaks the original series up until the character of Leo and I just stopped watching...it was just so annoying that a non-credible cliche bad man character like that would be reacted to like that by his girlfriend, she just meekly went along with in a way that was just ludicrous and not consistent...Everything else had nuance and it was just ruined by that.
"I have the feeling this man is gay." - Werner Herzog on John Waters
Werner is clearly an observant man! 🤣🤣🤣
Well... he never hid it
@@anaelhonings8683 Right! 😄
Got eeeeem!
Said overtly and in total sarcasm that we’ve come to expect from Herzog.
I could listen to John Waters talk about movies all day.
Waters is probably the only director whose films are well and truly critic-proof.
I would say his movies from the 70s are "critic-proof", back when he really didn't know much about filmmaking and was making up the rules as he went along. You can tell, as he became more familiar with filmmaking, more comfortable, his movies became more "safe" and it started to look like made-for-tv movies, rather than obscure insane French arthouse exploitation. Simply put, Hollywood studios and John Waters is a very bad combination, and I think he would agree.
nah.. most of his movies are fairly conventional. His later ones. Mondo trash is critic proof. or pink flamingoes but his later stuff is fairly conventional.
Definitely Serial Mom!
They both are IF you are of a certain age
There in lies the benefits of not giving a complete shit what critics think of your creative output. To paraphrase: ‘those that can’t create, contribute. Those that can’t even contribute, criticise!’ 😊
Waters and Lynch my two totemic boomers...A movie developed by this two would be insane ,tastles and awesowe🖤
One commenting on the other's work is too natural, can't quite word it, but it's like Lynch comes from the same free, out of the box and values of their own, subversive, place that Waters comes from (this video really does scratch the surface of that), but that Lynch is the heterossexual and more arthouse-influenced (and less exploitation-influenced) version of Waters. No wonder Jay Bauman from RLM is a fan of both.
A "Divine" cameo as a waitress serving coffee to Dale Cooper at least.
@@Sirala6
Divine is BOB is Divine
They were both born in 1946, the first Boomer birth year.
Insane, tasteless and awesome are my three favorite adjectives! 😂👌
Waters' Female Trouble & Lynch's Twin Peaks: FWWM would make a terrific double-bill
Waters nails it. It is mindboggling Twin Peaks, the film and the follow up series even exists given how adverse many (not all) execs are to "strange" concepts.
Also, I love that Prince clip as your logo shows. Always brings a smile to my face.
FWWM is my favorite Lynch film. The Return is my favorite season of Twin Peaks as well. They’re both incredible
Two titans of art and expression.
Thanks for this ❤
My 2 all time favorite directors.
David Lynch is the greatest living horror director who doesn't make horror movies.
Well said. FWWM and Mulholland Dr. truly are horrifying movies
@@Robodude_0528there is a lot of horror in the absurd.
Anything John Waters has to say is worth listening to since he's intelligent, witty, and thoughtful...especially if you're a fan. Love David Lynch too so this was a treat. ❤☮🌎
John Waters is the only director that comes close to directing movies that sort of resembles Lynch. Love both!
Waters’s are far more “concrete.”
Lost Highway has the distinction of being the only film ever to actually induce genuine paranoia in me. And the fact that Blake ended up being a real life killer makes it all the creepier.
I kinda get what you're saying, but I dont agree at all. Waters clearly attempting to achieve structure and resolution, while Lynch does everything he can to avoid them. It's easy to be blinded by the craziness of the characters in Waters films, but if you look beyond that you clearly see a movie that have a very simple structure and a clear path towards a resolution, almost to the point of cliche (not a critique), with a moral ending where characters often go to court and end up in prison.
his movies are nowhere near as cinematically stylish. Waters is fairly 'normal' as far as his tae goes after Piunk Flamigoes. he almost became conventional. There isn't a Waters 'feel' but his writing is what defines the movie.
Lynch has his own style.
@@MicahMicahel I know what you’re saying, but I think Female Trouble and Desperate Living are comparable in raunchiness to PF. After that though, he surely did take a more mainstream bent. Love Serial Mom though.
Fire walk with me is one of his best films !
I would LOVE to see these two do one of those mutual interviews.
Wow. Yes.
Now we are talking; Waters on Lynch...two of a kind
Lynch and Waters are truly national treasures
Incredibly thankful, keep it up JWBS
Sometimes, I'm fairly certain David Lynch lives in reality - and we live in something just outside.
So you can still find a damn fine cup of coffee for less than the cost of a steak in David Lynch’s world?
He lives public life as if hes doing a bit, a practice Ive tried to apply to myself
yes - we're on the lost highway
@@BIacklcean astute observation....plus he has the best deadpan I've ever seen.
@@beyondvger3682 a true, keep um guessing mentality.
John Waters and David Lynch are my spiritual uncles.
Meaning what ?
Great vid, thanks! What was the music used in the second half?
Really cool to hear John talk about the The Return, and that even he was completely flabbergasted by it.
Love both of these directors so much!
The first David Lynch film I saw was Twin Peaks. Then I saw Eraserhead. It is so goooood.
My two favorite directors
David Lynch and John Waters are national treasures.
my two favorite directors!
whats the name of the movie that apears at 1:36?
Lynch, Waters, and Herzog
And Stanley ❤
@@beyondvger3682 a different tier IMO
@@BIacklce hmmmm....but Lynch is heavily influenced by Kubrick (and Hitchcock) and is evident in his work.
@@beyondvger3682
I agree they come from that same weird auteur strain, its just Kubrick is better from a composition perspective
@@BIacklce And Herzog's landscapes are stunning when it comes to composition.
A Momentously entertaining snippet right here.
fire walk with me 👍..... one of THE coolest films EVER ! 😉..... after seeing it....i had to buy the soundtrack which is just as incredible....R.I.P angelo badalamenti 😔
I never thought about how they're both champions of that 50s postmodernism, or whatever you'd call it. Very kindred
Always loved A Racer Head
I prefer The Ellie Fan Man, Wild A Tart and Lost Eye Way.
@@garrybaldy327 Personally I always prefered Mole, Haul & Drive, or even Inne Land Umpire.
As a twin peaks fan, sir
What do you think of fire walk with me
FWWM is my favorite Lynch film, hands down. That one cuts deep
My two subversive midwestern boomer goats
Baltimore is in the Midwest?
David Lynch’s Baltimore lol
There is nothing subversive about boomers. As it is, let’s not pretend Waters and his early Dreamland-era collaborators weren’t privileged upper-middle class kids playing at being poor. Not knocking him, but facts are facts.
@@cheesegorelove
John is a far eastern mid U.S.er. 😆
@@kevinrhea7332
😄 Lynch’s Baltimore, could be on the coast of the Salton Sea.
John Waters loving Twin Peaks!!! My life is complete
0:23 I can hear the criterion closet.
I think there is a common misconception about Lynch and especially Blue Velvet (it doesn’t help that Lynch refuses to explain his films) that the film is about exposing the dark underbelly of 1950’s America. I think if anything he has a great appreciation for the folks of Lumberton. the film is essentially a coming of age film and sexual awakening of the main character. all of his movies exist in a duality of human nature and of Heaven and Hell. in Blue Velvet he is just showing the extremes of dark and light like he does in all of his films. as he famously said about all of the detailed hidden messaging that fans obsess over in Twin Peaks: “focus on the donut, not the hole…”
I agree. What makes Lynch so unusual is that he seems to find beauty and ugliness equally compelling, and he delves into both without judgement.
@@ShootMeMovieReviews yes! his films show both Heaven and Hell with equal verve and dynamics.
He doesn't explain his films because he CAN'T. He just thinks about how fucking weird he can make things, and who gives a shit if it makes any sense
I always liked that David Lynch said people can put any interpretation on his movies that they want to
I would agree with John Waters that Twin Peaks is even more insane than Eraserhead. From the beginning, Eraserhead feels like a fantasy, its own universe. Sure, it's bizarre and enigmatic, but everything in it is like that. You're drawn to it and intrigued, but it feels like a self-encapsulated fever dream where no sense of normalcy can be established.
Twin Peaks blends the mundane, the every day, with horror and the bizarre. That is more unsettling to us.
They are both American treasures and for years I felt they had a uncanny creative connection that has been overlooked. Waters being more the Jester and Lynch being more the Executioner from the same court, and both can be funny and horrific, don't get my metaphor twisted! I feel they had similar inspirations but Lynch went dark and ultra fucked with elements of humor and Waters went campy and deviant with elements of apathy and instead of straight 'horror' just grossness. Just brilliant work.
John Waters is a legend
"Then it's released, and the heartbreak begins." I don't know what that means.
I believe he's referring to the critics.
People not getting it/the journey being over.
I think it means that, as a director, you only see your mistakes. Things you feel you could have done better.
He is likely referring to a film’s reception. As a filmmaker, you put your heart and soul into something. Then you release it into the world and hope others feel that same passion. But Lynch and Waters don’t make conventional movies. So the reception is probably never going to be over the moon. But they also have enough self awareness to laugh about it.
David Lynch has famously mentioned several times that one is supposed to "enjoy the doing" when creating art. The fun is in the doing - for him the very process of giving life to his ideas is what he chases. After it's finished and the movie gets released and goes through the commercial machine is when the fun is sucked out of it.
Lynch and Waters are just all around "the dudes". There are a handful of directors that got their start around the same time period that are always great to listen to (Herzog, Carpenter, and Friedkin being others), yet I don't think any one of the them is similar to the next in the lot. Probably personality wise Lynch and Waters couldn't be any more different in a lot of ways while sharing a lot of similarities in other ways; like that introverted person who's best friend is the most extroverted person they know.
John Waters is more likely to be on Werner Herzog (if you catch my drift)
John Waters and David Lynch are the goats
Interesting that the American Right is glamorizing the 50s, they obviously miss the conformity. They forget the highest capital income tax that the US ever had though, the one that made it possible for a man to earn enough for a house and two cars, not to mention three children and a wife at home.
Interesting the so-called left thinks they can tax and spend its way to prosperity. Ask yourself why John Waters barely spends time in Baltimore anymore and hasn’t for quite a while. All these books and personal appearances are paying for his old age since he hasn’t directed a movie since 2004.
If the government takes higher "capital income taxes" it doesn't make salaries better or lower housing or car prices. You're glamorizing the years after the 1950s. The 70s, which I lived through, were a sewer, and the late 60s was the drain that fed that sewer.
I'm not sure how the right is glamorizing the 50s. Hollywood and entertainment in general is under the thumb of the left. If it's glamorized it's done by them..
@@jtee5957how old were you in the 70s?
@@Former_Employee I was a kid and my eyeballs are still singed from the orange leisure suits.
I do not live in the same reality as John Waters. We are not the same.
I wouldn't say I was a Lynch fan. Though I loved Blue Velvet, which was sinister and creepy, but not too surreal.
His other films are a bit too over the top for me. I'm more of a Cronenberg guy, coz his stuff is Sci-fi rather than Crime.
Waters would make a perfect Sander Cohen in a BioShock movie.
They are definitely drinking from the same well.
Does anyone else desperately wantbto aee q collaboration between David Lynch and Werner Herzog? Tom Waites can write the score. Oh gods, *_please!!_*
One very weird amazing director talking about another very weird amazing director
The Lynch/Oz documentary is absolutely terrible and baseless, but John Waters' section of it is really good
waters is low rent lynch
Eraserhead is one of the most awful things ever put to film. 😂
John Waters must be one of those types who looks at a blob of paint on a canvas, and talks about it for hours for its beauty and symbolism.
Meanwhile, it's a FUCKING BLOB OF PAINT.
My point? David Lynch's movies/TV shows are weird, pointless and make no sense.
I binge watched the original Twin Peaks, and after Laura's killer was revealed, it was the dumbest shit I've ever watched. The second coming on Showtime didn't make any sense at ALL, and wouldn't have been greenlit if it'd not had Lynch's name on it.
The only thing that was any good was the movie from the 90s that was the story of Laura and her father.
I find Lynch so utterly offensive and cheesie. The striking photography- which I will credit- disguises a very sensationalist, lousy writer. Nothing but archetypes and stereotypes. Not one person or narrative has ever felt real or well thought out.
I was enjoying Twin Peaks the original series up until the character of Leo and I just stopped watching...it was just so annoying that a non-credible cliche bad man character like that would be reacted to like that by his girlfriend, she just meekly went along with in a way that was just ludicrous and not consistent...Everything else had nuance and it was just ruined by that.
You know, the title "John Waters on David Lynch" is a bit misleading... I mean, I thought....never mind.
Walters sounded more coked out than Tarantino usually does 😂