The team that threatened to quit their league
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Olympiacos are having a season to remember. From club officials kicking balls onto the pitch in protest, to fielding 43 players before October, the team, owned by Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis, are enjoying “the most successful period in the club’s history”.
So what might you have missed in the Greek Super League this season? Nick Miller writes, Henry Cooke illustrates.
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Ah yes the Greek Super League... A mix of mediocre football, political intrigue and mafia-like practices. God I love our league.
Which God? U Greek got so many God that I got confused with the Hindus superheroes and mixed up with the Tiong Hua (that's just Chinese to me and u) demi Gods.... they even have God of Gamblers😂
@@princesssolace4337 what a dumb comment 😂. I hope you didnt think that your comment was funny or insulting. That would be so embarrassing 😂. Cringe central station.
That sounds very much like the Romanian Super League. Or maybe like every other Balkan League :)) We are true brothers in everything, you have to love our way of doing things :))
@@princesssolace4337 we have one god.
Same here in Romania 🇷🇴 pal.
The 2022/23 season in greek football deserves an emmy nominated series. Polish referees sent back after being accused of being drunk the night of their arrival, goalposts being 7cm shorter in Atromitos-Aek, Marinakis attacking Mitsotakis' goverment after a last minute controversial penalty of Panathinaikos. The greatest league on earth
Please Amazon, make it happen!
Also nobody wanting to host the cup final. Another regular season for Greek football.
The second division didn’t even start until November over a dispute; I believe over player wages/working conditions (if someone more knowledgeable could clarify/correct me that would be great)
Some of this seems overblown. If you order Polish referees, they won't come sober as standard, that is an extra option you pay for. I'd be curious to hear about the 7cm shorter goalposts though, seems like a fascinating story. Presumably Mitsotakis is a Pana supporter?
Can we hear about the drunk polish reds please, I work with a bunch of poles that would love to hear that story. The goal posts sounds like a fun story too
you know your league is at its lowest point when tifo makes a video about it
No we are not!
@@marioskapetanakis lol
@@marioskapetanakisyes we are
@@johnpapas5091 no we are not.
@@marioskapetanakis true, it can still sink lower
We don't follow the Greek superleague for the football, we're here for the drama. It's like a fine Tv show that you tune in every week not knowing what is going to happen. Maybe the polish referees brought in for the AEK - Aris match will turn up drunk and go on the run or maybe a club owner will put out a statement containing elementary school style insults towards EPO. We live in a surreal country anyways so our football is a fine representation of that
POLAND?
I will never forget how Olympiacos would always have such random players on their roster, Rivaldo, Roy Carroll, Olof Mellberg, Colin Kazim-Richards and Lomana LuaLua to name a few
Marcelo recently as well 😂
Esteban Cambiasso avoided winning the PL back in 2016 by joining OFC
@@Nope-sj7es to be fair marcelo was good. Unfortunately he was too old.
Rivaldo was really good when he was there. And I'm a Panathinaikos supporter
they also have ex-Flamengo full back Rodinei
People from western Europe only care about the outcome of a game or who played better. They don't understand the beauty of dirty referees, political connections, illegal betting, teams that are secretly controlled by bigger teams within the same league, owners who spent time in prison, owners who carry guns in the stadium, owners who are in the drug trade and the oil trade with russia and so many other beautiful happenings and then at last the performance of the teams on the football pitch. The best league in the world!!!
Greece is basically Italy on steroids...our mediterranean brothers 🇬🇷🇮🇹
So western Europe is white people and they come from
nords 🇸🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴 Germany🇩🇪, Britain 🇬🇧 Netherlands 🇳🇱 Switzerland 🇨🇭, Belgium 🇧🇪 and Austria 🇦🇹
There's the Latin people from
Spain 🇪🇸, Portugal 🇵🇹, France 🇫🇷 and italy 🇮🇹
There's balkans people from
Greece 🇬🇷, Albania 🇦🇱 Bosnia 🇧🇦, Bulgaria 🇧🇬, Montenegro 🇲🇪, North Macedonia 🇲🇰 and Turkiye 🇹🇷
The slavic people are from
Croatia 🇭🇷 Slovenia 🇸🇮 Slovakia 🇸🇰 Czech Republic 🇨🇿 Serbia 🇷🇸 Poland 🇵🇱 and the Baltics 🇱🇻 🇱🇹 🇪🇪
The only confusing ones are
Hungary 🇭🇺 Romania 🇷🇴 and Finland 🇫🇮
This is what was supposed to be happening here as well, but some corrupted rich individuals pretty much control the entire league, which means things aren't going to be peaceful unless some big guy intervenes to try and salvage the situation.
And we wonder why people who hate drama don't care about the league...
Lost me at “Beaty of dirty referees “
This video is interesting but lacking important information:
1) The ultras are paid by a club's owner, and they basically act as their gang, so their sentiment does not represent true football fans.
2) Kamara signing was quite suspicious for money laundering (not the player's fault), because Aris FC is considered Olympiacos B.
3) Marinakis has an impeding illegal drug shipping case, where 10 witnesses are dead and yet he moves freely (no time to explain the terrible background for the rest of owners).
4) Marinakis has family ties with current PM, with a big broadcasting channel. His opinions affect Greece a lot
5) He is currently elected as city councillor in Piraeus.
6) Olympiakos was always a club with marquee signings and a lot of managerial changes, it isn't unique to the current regime.
I just unsub from Tifo. I always loved them, but recently they are making a lot of videos that are missing MANY key points and seems rushed. Quality dropped a lot and it's sad to see...
Σε βλέπω αδερφέ μπετομενο,φτύνεις πολλές αλήθειες
@@raffaeledesantis8261 Pretty harsh. I do agree that they've transitioned to shorter videos, which obviously don't have the breadth they used to, which I admit has me less engaged. With them dropping their podcast essentially as well, I'm a little unsure what direction they're heading in.
@@raffaeledesantis8261 you must be an Olympiacos "fan"...
Aris cut 8 points to Olympiakos, is that how supposed to work a B team???
As a Greek I have to congratulate you on the presentation of the facts. This season more than any other has been a shitfest of epic proportions due to the actions of all presidents of Greek teams, with Marinakis and Karapapas who you both mention leading the charge of outrageous official statements.
A thing you forgot to mention, one of them in the long list of things that have happened this year, is that Dimitris Melissanidis, the president of eventual champions AEK FC, invited all presidents of the "Big 6" to come to the unveiling of their new stadium which happened this year. Most of them sent representatives however Marinakis not only decided to decline the invitation but took it a step further officially responding that he wouldn't appear because he would remind the fans of AEK of all their losses against him which was seen as at least petty by most fans.
Ultras in Greece also don't express the majority of fans, they just express whatever is in their best interest with most of them at this point acting as private armies financed by the clubs presidents which has led to a lot of football associated attacks, the most dire one being the death of Alkis Kabanos, which didn't change much when it comes to their actions since that incident as plenty of football associated encounters. It has gotten so bad that EPO in their efffort to find a location for the Cup Final got rejected by plenty of cities even abroad due to the cities not wanting to deal with the hooligans of both teams and the damages they would cause.
If Amazon Prime ever sees this comment, please create an All or Nothing type of show following the Greek presidents and the meetings that happen. I promise you it's going to be amazing content
Couldn't have said it better.
"Everything is rigged against them". Aww the victims of thr century
(Wins 10/13 titles)
Most championships of the century
Mind you, Marinakis is also the president of the Greek super league. The corruption in Greek football is on a different level and I don't know how UEFA hasn't suspended activities here and banned us from taking part in European football.
I don't think it's fair to ban the entire league because of a corrupt man, but rather they should intervene by enforcing some rules.
@@Pouzis Good luck enforcing some rules in Greece :)
Everything has always been rigid for them. What a joke for Olympiakos to complain about the referee and the league.
How not to run a football club, 101
If there's any league that deserves it's own Biopic, it's the greek super league. It's WILD as it could get
Olympiacos had won 5 straight league titles in the years before marinakis arrived 2005-2009
And had made it past the ucl group stages twice in that period as well they were certainly nowhere and I would argue they are in a far worse spot now
They have had many good year after 2010 tho
And stole the 2008 championship from AEK
@@r21hools how by following the rules
@@r21hools XAXAXA
@@Christzo18 rules? The epo said that valner could play for kalamaria and after the game against olymoaicos we learned that he couldn't. Thieves
Olympiacos the team that is constantly trying to rig the league for themselves and gets angry when they can't.
Spot on
they cry whilst angry, it's hilarious actually
Nailed it 😂
As an AEK Athens fan who wins a league every 8 years on average, it's crazy seeing how distressed Olympiacos fans get when they DON'T win the league.
Yes and everyone else is a saint. It takes a great deal of stupidity to accuse one team of dirty practices when the abundance of teams are equally as shady.
But yeah "we're the good ones, they're the bad ones", not that everyone is corrupted
It's very funny to me that olympiacos nonsense has gone worldwide. But this year in Greece we had a great league campaign. 2 teams were head to head for 95% of the season. We try to focus more to that than to Marinakis stupid actions.
Olympiacos supports are so delusional. They were fixing matches for years, and when their bad practices catch up with them, they cry foul? The league will be PAO vs AEK for the next 3-5 years.
@@savabout6487 that will be the fight for 2nd place mate, right behind olympiacos
@@savabout6487 κατι τετοια λετε και ουτε 10 ευρω δεν τολματε να βαλετε οτι θα το χασει ο ολυμπιακος..τα επομενα 5 χρονια εμεις θα το παιρνουμε και καταβαθος το ξερεις και εσυ
@@savabout6487 κλαψε. του χρονου παλι τα κεφαλια μεσα
@@anonymos-7-583 τα λενε και τα πιστεύουν μεταξύ τους 😂
Why doesn't Marinakis just hire himself as manager, he clearly thinks he knows best anyway.
Greek football makes Italian football look well run
I agree, our league is almost in shambles, I have no idea how it's still in one piece
Every league has corruptions what is your point
A video for Matias Almeyda's AEK would be great... Champions with an amazing new stadium while playing excellent Bielsa style football
The Greek Super League..... "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
There is no dirtiest club in Greece than Olympiakos and what Marinakis has done. For this year, that Olympiakos have a mediocre team, he is complaining about referees. Whenever that happens every football fan in Greece can't stop laughing. The guy is the Escobar of Greece
Well sead.
I am Scottish but with Greek blood in me I follow
P.A.O.K.
Anything that is negative as regards Olympiakos is good for Greek club football in my view.
Come on P.A.O.K Fight & win.
It is not easy to watch
The Greek Super League here in Scotland we just get the
Nova Sport games it's like getting half a story the other clubs games you need a VPN to access it s a pain to be honest.
Greek club football has many problems Olympiakos being the biggest one of them all.
Cry harder
Don't insult Escobar like that...
@@alanfox691 Biggest team in Greece my friend, you made the correct choice
Ouga bouga 🤣
Hopefully one day there will be someone with enough guts to arrest and convict this mafioso.
The big-4 of Greek Superleague are Olympiacos, Panathinaikos, AEK, and PAOK. Their owners Marinakis, Alafuzos, ship owner and media companies tyccons ,Melisanidis also ship owner accused of fuel smuggling, Savvidis greek-Russian enterpreneuer with close ties to Russian Goverment, are all wealthy businessmen using football in order to recruit armies of people eager to defend them or just launder money. None of them care about football but mostly for non-football things.
Olympiacos is considered the most succesful football team in Greece while under various owners has historically been accused of winning a lot of its domestic titles by corrupting or thretening refs and players. To be fair the 2nd most Succesful team PAO has also been accused of thretening refs by his previous owner family.
Paok and Ivan Savvidis are not guilty tho. All 3 championships and all 8 Greek cups were fair without paid refs. The only team in Greece complaining about refereeing bias in a PAOK derby is Aris fc. But it's only them and a bunch of braindead Athenians that belong to P.O.K., a former (and still somewhat present) alliance of the "big three", Panathinaikos, Olympiacos and AEK.
We definitely need Sensible transfers videos soon enough as the season comes to an end and most big teams needs a rebuild
Odds that Ibrahim Sangare to United gets mentioned
*godfather
SAVE THE PODCAST!
Bring back the podcast
Marinakis is a very disputable person in Greece. His has excellent relations with the most powerful woman politician (Dora Bakoyiannis), sister of Greek PM kyriakos Mitsotsakis. He has been accused of Match fixing, of being member of criminal organisation around football, and of course of Drug Dealing. By owning the majority of greek media he tries to pressure judges,politicians etc, in order to get rid of the accusations.
PS. The reason why, EPO brings foreign referees the last 5 years, is previous scandals in greek football directly depended on Marinakis actions
When he talk about drug dealing, he talk about tons… not grams
Its an amazing story. I really like this sharing. Thanks for all of this..
And right now Neil Lennon is in talks with Olympiakos to become their new manager, what a club
it becomes better when u hear that the favorite for the coaching job is Gatusso. Hopefully we will bounce back to where we were 3 years ago, playing great football even in Europe. Till then we are in the mud. At least our basketball team is competing for the European trophy this weekend
If Marinakis is seriously going to appoint Neic he deserves what's coming to him
Some years ago..even Barcelona threatened to leave la liga
Bayern threatened to leave Bundesliga if the league made them share TV money equally. They made serious overtures to Serie A about moving there
Surprised to see such a video in one of the best football channels in CZcams, also surprised to see so many fellow Greeks in the comments, showing the worldwide audience of the channel.
PS. Save the podcast
As a forest fan, Marinakis has been brilliant for us. We did sign a lot of players over the summer, and a lot of people talk about that negatively, but it's brilliant to have an owner who backs the manager so much as Marinakis does.
Olympiacos, on the other hand, changed 4 managers this year, so this is ironic
The biggest irony is that he hired Corberan after the play off final!
Your owner is a drug dealer
an important piece of background information is that Olympiacos under the Marinakis regime was repeatedly accused of (and found guilty of) bribing referees, corruption, and generally instilling an almost totalitarian rule in the super league where everyone knew of their crimes and yet no one could speak up. The 2015 Greek Football Scandal is centered around that. So to all greek fans the complaints of Olympiacos now become extremely laughable, considering they were always the team that was favoured by EPO.
And he still passed the fit and proper persons test
"found guilty"?! On which planet of the universe did this take place pal? Maybe on the one you see and live on in your dreams?! lol
List of Greek football champions:
Olympiacos
47
Panathinaikos
20
AEK Athens
12
PAOK
3
🤣😂
@@vangelisskia214 η γυναίκα του καίσαρα λένε πρέπει και α δίχνει τίμια και να φαίνεται τίμια. Το σωματείο της Τρούμπας βρωμάει από παντού
We were never found guilty but let's be honest there was no teams close to us from 2011-2017.We deserved all of those championships
These past four years, Olympiacos won 3 out of 4 league titles, with 15-20 point difference. Just saying.... If there is a conspiracy against them, it is not working out well.
I'm an Olympiakos fan, this year was extremely disappointing, very poor management and planning, a lot of reckless spending, much comparable to Chelsea this season. The team never trusted the process with any coach and they just ditched them when things got slightly difficult. I wish this season provided a valuable lesson for our team and Marinakis and I hope they realize their wrongs and work on them from now on... But who am I kidding... Almost every year it's the same...
Yes exactly.. the club is managed very badly. A lot of bad transfers were made and it seems like every year it gets worse. They have no any idea what they are doing. First time in my life I did not watched all matches, not even some European matches. Every year its the same and it only disappoints me
Εξάγουμε πολιτισμό
Όντως 😂
sk@se re mlk
@@user-no4su7je2n αφού ισχύει ρε
@@Pouzis θέλετε "πολυτισμό"; να πάτε στην Γερμανία που η κτηνοβασία είναι νόμιμη
Absolutely love the Greek father as a forest fan🌳up the Olympiakos
You want to support the club that has trashed our football league for the past 20 years? Wow
@@ole3273 can’t not sorry. Olympiacos are basically Greek forest
@@ole3273The word you're looking for isn't trashed. He did something else to patanaiko, aek, paok 😉😉
The way you pronounce "Seasons" at 6:28 is quite frankly, the best thing I've ever heard.
Tifo videos are ones i always look forward to😅❤
You watch football just to enjoy the game
We watch football because we have the best moments
We are not the same
I need a TIFO music playlist, it’s therapeutic
To have a better view to the Greek League we have to keep a track on these behind the scenes methods and the accusations of rigged games in the past. From middle '90s with Kokkalis dynasty(president, before Marinakis), Olympiacos won almost every league in Greece with some exceptations all these years. But they were accused for rigged games, paid referees offside or not offside goals for the opponents. Truth to be said, Marinakis is not the only oligarch that has such a toxic behaviour there are othes like from all 5-6 bigger teams in the League that they have the same behaviour. They behave like they own everything. With balkan mafia style. But as I see it this happens and in a lot of other leagues even more superior than it's the Greek now. From Potugal to Italy and Spain. The problem of football it's all these owners and their money. Also, this year was a good one for the Greek League because it was very antagonistic and competitive till the end with match thrillers but in Europe it was a totally disaster. And in the past 20 years only Panathinaikos and Olympiacos did good curses for teams with these budgets in Europe. As for Olympiacos this year was a totally disaster that's why the only responsible for that is trying this methods.
u mean that olympiacos with world class players won the league by paying the refs? Are u kidding me. The 22/23 league was the most dirty. Look at how many pens aek and pao had. Look tha they both won each other with pens. Look the hlgts of Oly-Aek 1-3 and Aek paok 4-0. No red card???Kopse tis malakies
Threats actually started on the derby panathinaikos olympiacos which resulted in a 1-1 draw due to a last minute penalty for panathinaikos. There was controversy because at first both player and manager michel at first said that was a stupid mistake from the player even though the penalty itself was controversial itself. With olympiacos threatening theey could leave the league and possibly joining the league of cyprus. In the end it was words in the air. Nothing happened.
Regardless of how he's viewed at Olympiakos, we love him at Forest. Supported the club both financially and structurally, has allowed Steve Cooper to get on with management (but not been too distant), has given to the local community of Nottingham - a great man.
A great man, until his ego is hurt and he starts throwing balls onto the pitch..
@@vassilimi4076😂
Lets see how he reacts when forest are relegated
Mafia bosses do tend to be quite charismatic
@@Ccccc-mi3tr nice one mate
Good information 👍👍
Informative
Informative video
Amazing information
Excellent work
Please make more videos about clubs outside the PL
When everything is rigged in your favor for almost a century, it feels like you are getting cheated when fairness is (somewhat) restored
Great work covering our circus Tifo!
Its nice explanation❤
As a Greek I have to congratulate you on the presentation of the facts.
That event was nothing compared to the ones of Rizoupoli.
Surely AEK are not really pronounced as "Ike"?
Lol that's what I said 😂, it's A...E...K Athens
æ ɛ k . More like that.
More like Ah Eh Kh
Love these vids
That is the same guy who, along with Ivan savvidis (paok owner) destroyed my club because it would not collaborate with them in their dirty ways. IRAKLIS FC salonica is the only club worldwide that has been relegated THREE TIMES for reasons NOT related to our league position but none related to it. Iraklis is the cleanest club in Greece that represents equality and sportmanship. *Iraklis way of life*
Although i think that Iraklis is the cleanest club in Greece. I think the most unfair relegation was Olympiakos Volos in 2011. The club was relegated purely because the corruption of bigger clubs.
@@SimonSlPl iraklis as well
Marinakis act in Greek football as “Escobar” in Colombia all these years
@Tifo What size cement shoes do you wear?
This man make me afraid
He look like mafia godfather
Nice information
WE NEED A VIDEO ABOUT PANATHINAIKOS AND THE GREEK LEAGUE IN GENERAL
Thanks for covering Greek League! Hate Olympiakos though 😂 Let their troubles continue...
What number cement shoes do you wear?
Ah yes, the Balkan Colombia and its legendary league.
Oh!!!Greek football is one of my favourite respective footballing leagues in the world but I am totally shocked to hear this,good friends!!!I am fully hoping that the federation would solve this issue as quick as possible and punish the offenders in a hefty way,good friends!!!LONG LIVE GREEK FOOTBALL!!!🇬🇷
Idk if you're serious or ironic rn
Trust me bro, as a fellow Greek citizen, I've seen every corner of this circus devolve for decades and this is not even the worst that is happend. You could go down the rabbit hole but it's honestly not worth it.
Conclusion: most likely, nothing is going to change and it might even get worse. We'll see😂
@@Pouzis I am extremely so serious about this,good friend!!!🏋♂️
@@ole3273 I am extremely so sad to hear all these but lets only hope for a huge change out of the problems,good friend!!!🏋♂️🙏🏻
Just so you know, Olympiacos has won the Greek league 47 times
The Athens derby is Panathinaikos vs AEK.
Olympiakos are from Piraeus
Great series of Greek
Marinakis is the top head of Greek Mafia. He ships Heroine in Greece so it can be sold here
Outstanding 😍😍❤️
I knew this would be about the Greek Super League from the thumbnail 😂
0:28 it's not Athens derby. Piraeus is a different city..
Superb ❤🙌
The turnover of players here is nothing compared to non league football in England. Using an extreme example several seasons my team Boldmere St Michaels then in the midland Football Alliance went to bottom team Cradley Town. Upon obtaining a copy of the programme they had a list of every player to make an appearance that season. I counted 144 players who made at least one sub appearence. Following a subsequent 11-0 defeat red flags were raised about some of Cradleys players and an investigation found that Cradley Town had been using "ringers" . They received a fine and points deduction which was pointless (pardon the pun) as they were rock bottom of the table and didn't win a single game that season!
Drug lord Evangelos. Corruption at its finest.
Mate there are some other stuff going on in Greek super League. I don't blame you for not knowing nevertheless you just cared about football and only. But just to know things start back in 2004 (maybe even earlier on 1999) when AEK Athens was forced to destroy their stadium due to financially problems. But due to the Olympics ( 2004 held in Greece) the government gave on AEK Athens the permission to rebuild their stadium with the difference that it would be able to host the games and that the stadium would be in dept for 99 years . Back then, where Marinakis and the Greek government where REALLY CLOSE FRIENDS, in just a single night (!!!!!!!) somehow AEK Athens permission to build a stadium was taken and was given to Olympiacos. But unfortunately the stadium of AEK Athens was already destroyed. On these 10 years a lot have happen like pens outside the box... offside which weren't offside.... ( If you search for this years in Greece you will find a lot more like these which years in Greece are named days of Paraga) . This year of 2023 AEK Athens new stadium (OPAP ARENA) construction finished and the team finally got their home back. In their first match on the new stadium Olympiacos lost 3-1 with the first goal being scored after only 5 minutes of play. To sum up Greek football is not what it seems. They tried the same thing with other Greek teams like Panathinaikos. But fortunately he didn't fell into the trap. Now AEK Athens every Sunday fulfill its stadium with 33.000 fans ( AEK Athens fans...) As you can imagine it is really big power for the team. They wanted only the money of champions league (because in Greek super League only the first position gets a ticket to the third round of champions league). So in order to do it with the most easy way (and not spend much money) they tried to destroy off field their big rivals. ( If you read until the end mate respect)
I don't watch Greek Football, but me being half Greek, I can surely relate to all this festive drama! LOL
what size cement do you wear?
WHAT NUMBER OF CEMENT DO YOU WEAR?
What size of cement do you guys wear
There is a huge chance you'll be missing soon man. Thanks for this video.
Superb
Interesting review 🤔
Superb 😊
Οποίος αγαπάει το ποδόσφαιρο μισεί τον μαρινάκη
Γαμάτος.
What is your cement size my friend?
It’s amazing how this has become the narrative. We tried to keep all of those players, the only one that didn’t refuse to play was Maguire.
Also the funniest thing of all is that Marinakis is the president of Super League.
I might find myself encased in concrete, but it missed out what seems to be the real Marinakis business: drug running.
There's an incredible article about the whole mess and how witnesses keep disappearing, turning up dead, or recanting their statements through fear.
What's your cement size
Best collection
Informatic
Where is the podcast?
The greek league has been a brothel for most years. As long as the mafia-chairmen remain in greeks top clubs like Marinakis, Melisanidis, Savvidis, Alafouzos, Beos, the league won't get better. They themselves don't let league get better.
hahaha lol, why did you remove the Hakan Sukur video
Probably Erdogan's men threatened Tifo to remove the video lol
Well introduced the shirts
what number of cement are you wearing?
Btw, Olympiakos is by far the most toxic team in the league. For anyone interested, AEK won the league,Olympiakos finished 3rd after a few good results in the final games