EMD FAN'S! TURN UP YOUR SPEAKERS! Chessie working their guts out. 9/07/1990
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- We are on the ex-B&O Keystone sub at the crossing at Keystone, PA. This is the stiffest part of the western slope of Sand Patch grade. We watch a east bound pass with three EMD's sanding the rails, and in notch 8. The great sounding horns are for the Keystone crossing as he passes. A single CSX GP40 shoves hard on the hind end. In another mile, they will be at the crest of the grade at Sand Patch. He will then be on his own down grade to Hyndman, and then on to Cumberland. The helpers will cut off there, and head back west to Connellsville Pa for the next push. Video was taken with a VHS camcorder on September 7th, 1990. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5™...
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Those old EMD's had a sound of their own.
Jesus, Those diesels are freaking beautiful.
Love these classic videos of chessie system
OMG that is so amazing sounding! Love them working hard in Notch 8
Oh heck no! He is pulling in the 8th notch! This is the steepest part of his climb east bound with the grade being close to 3% here to the top of the grade inside Sand Patch tunnel. Which is about a mile away. Thanks for watching...
Man I love the sound of pure EMD's roaring the day away. Awesome catch Jack
outstanding ,to hear those engines at their fullest
I'm in my 50s and I still have a serious fascination with trains.
Nothing wrong with that. I'm 70, and I'm still facinated with it myself. Along with antique construction equipment, great lakes shipping, and playing with my 1985 Mack Superliner. Never to old. Thanks for watching...
Chessie, wow that goes back a while! When I was 4 or 5 I had a Chessie System HO Scale EMD F7, I used it so much I forget how many times I said it was my favourite train, we even have a picture of me holding it.
WOW! THAT WAS AWESOME! I MISS THE EARLY CSX/CHESSIE SYSTEM ERA!
Thanks! for the info and great videos,Because I love trains!
That is exactly the sound I remember hearing several miles away when I was a kid...
i never got to see CHESSIE but my bf's step dad grew up with B&O, C&O & Chessie. I love the Chessie colors n logo.
this is NOT chessie. note the grey and blue engine.
with black on white number boards too. this is fake chessie.
i have more chessie/bo/co photos than csx.
HOLY CRAP! MUSIC TO MY EARS
Yet another sight (and sound) gone with time. Pure, raw 645 engines in notch 8! They're getting fewer by the day, and now they're throwing GE prime movers into former SD40s! The insanity never ends.
Jeez. The old CSX design days. I used to railfan them all but deleted those videos. I miss them so much still.
GM 645s wide open FABULOUS
Oh yahhh! Let them babies roar. Thanks for watching...
Jack, great videos. I'm the guy who filled in Tony DePalma's spot. Always nice to see you waving from your porch.
Good deal Ben. Now I know who I'm waving to. LOL. You in his spot permanently? I Saw a picture of Tony living large today. On the walkway under the New River Bridge in W.VA. No way will you get me to walk across that. LOL
@@1jackdk I will be in PGH as long as I can hold, Jamie is Sun-tu-th, Mike is M-W-F, Dan and I are on the board. So on Saturdays, there's a chance it's me. I saw that too, he gets to enjoy life to the fullest 24/7 now!
@@1jackdk Tonight I am 29 from Cumberland, Wednesday I get my final check ride round trip- then I'm extra board
@@Beangoeszoom I'll keep an eye out for yah tonight. Safe trip back to the Burgh.
@@Beangoeszoom Sounds like Jamie moved up. Maybe you can move up when Mike retires, but now I see he can't go until next December. I'm sure he's happy about that.
Yes, I hear son fans produced by EMD
...3 of the 4 units were 4 axle...some hot traction motors there...
To be sure! That was the norm back then, especially on Chessie.
@@1jackdk ...up here too back then...on the Rio Grande...lots of four axle units...even on the three percent grades of Tennessee Pass...
Looks like an SD50 and two GP40-2's.
Sweet!
Love the way the whine noise varies at times as they struggle...the EMD 645 XR units in Victoria Australia do the same thing under load
Very nice WOW thanks
Did you know CSX is the new version of Chessie system
CSX&Chessie train system
Great Video.....I loved that Chessie paint scheme and I also liked the early blue & grey paint scheme on the CSX...thanks for sharing
it is good footage of trains.
Ole chessie
I searched for Garwood Trestle, and I only see 6-axle locomotives on coal trains on this trestle, in the CZcams videos I found. As I mentioned, NS has definitely been a much more consistent user of 6-axle power on coal trains than CSX has - further evidence of NS being a better run railroad than CSX.
wow the Cheessie System is working hard sweet catch Jack
Michael Scott
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Wow, as I scroll down the latest comments I don't see anyone saying how great this vid is, only a bunch of people bitching about who knows more! WTF? This vid rocks, who cares about all that other stuff, I wouldn't want to be trackside with either one of you guys as you'd probably drownd out the biggest consist with your crying!
WOW!!! What a nice video!! Music to my ears!! What an instant classic this video is!
EPIC!
Awesome post.
@meccaturbo: Nothing wrong with using GP40-2s in this situation. Above 10-11 mph there is no difference in the pulling power of a GP40-2 vs. the SD40-2. The SDs would be a better choice for single digit speeds on a coal drag, but on a high speed main line such as this, HP is more important than low speed tractive effort. Above 10 - 11 mph, GP40-2s and SD40-2s are the same locomotive horsepower wise.
great video
That bi-level open auto rack was a nice surprise
Chessie engines always look smaller in height and width than other engines to me
They were still sharp looking though. Thanks for watching...
No problem. Glad you enjoy the videos. Take care...
Amazing sound. That´s diesel-power! :)
Thumbs up!
Superb!
Sometimes there seems to be more smoke or dust coming from the trucks than the exhaust, is it sand or dust kicked up by the traction motor blowers?
chessie logo is a cat
Sleeping kitten.
Great horn :43
Great video.
I always liked that first csx paint scheme .
All I can say is WOW! I love seeing the Chessie SD50's in Action.
Great Video!
Eric
THESE LOCOMOTIVES SOUND FUCKEN TUFF ! THIS IS FUCKEN BRUTAL !
That's the sound of a 20 cylinder 3500 HP SD50 and 2 2000 HP 16 cylinder engines in notch 8 (full power)
Daniel RailMan Good info mate, definately awsome power mate, cheers.
Yes. 20 cylinders is my favorite.
Daniel RailMan
the sd50s had a 16 cylinder not a 20; the 20 was only used on the 45 series.
Daniel RailMan My favourite too
As an NS fan, the SOU and NW autoracks were very nice to see.
talk about some awesome retired railroad footage.
Very nice, liked and fav'd
Just so everyone knows, Chessie could use 4 axles in heavy haul situations because they were not designed to stock EMD specs. First, the GP40-2s were loaded up to over 280,000 lbs for traction. Second, they derated at a much lower speed than stock specifications, allowing Chessie's GP40-2 to produce 84,000 lbs TE, which was only 8,000 lbs less than a typical SD40-2. However, if shared on other RRs, you had to be careful not to assign them to trains on light rail branches due to high axle load
Listen to those radiator fans whine! GREAT video!
Great great video. Nice to see the Chessie's working. Liked this post, "A Lot".
a good train video
+ZetanCrisp
A little bit of both.
Thanks BTST. Glad you enjoyed it. Don't you just love those little cat fights? LOL They carried that little argument on a few other videos as well. Whatever makes them happy. Thanks for watching...
Yeah, i think it finally dawned on them after changing out so many burned up prime movers. Not just the Cumberland shops where you might expect it, but even out on the flatlands.
Towards the end there are a couple uncovered auto racks.
I meant to say was, thanks for posting, this vid is great!
full tractive effort being applied
WOW!!! Awesome catch!
There may be exceptions of course, but overall, NS has been a much more consistent user of mostly 6-axle power on coal trains than CSX has. CSX, particularly back in the late 80's and early 90's, had some serious issues with effective management of their locomotive roster.
In this video I'm running a fiat Alice tug boat engine with full lockers and sand spreader deployment 3,000 brake wheel horse power each wheel. Throttle up notch 8
meccaturbo, I'm calling for a truce on this. I don't want to argue about a 23 year old video any longer. It is a moot point now, since technology has advanced to CSX using mostly AC locomotives as its first choice for heavy haul mainline service. All the locomotives in this video, while providing good service in their prime, are now museum pieces. I left you a message on your home page regarding this.
Not true. 6-axle locomotives have greater pulling power for a train starting from dead stop, than do 4-axle locomotives. In heavy haul service, a 6-axle locomotive is the best choice. A comparison of Norfolk Southern operations during this time with CSX's operations during this time shows that NS's wise choice of 6-axle power for coal trains was and continues to be the right choice. GP40-2's have no place on heavy haul coal trains.
Great video!
Great video Jack. Man you really coverd most of NA in your travels, haven't you?? I bet if they had a rr on antartica, you would have filmed that too!!! (yes, for you snarky folks, i know that is on the SOUTH POLE).
This train wouldn't be working so hard if Chessie hadn't abandoned the parallel WM Connellsville subdivision in 1975, and run this train over that line....easier grades on that line, a much better engineered line overall.
Nice!
My "unit"has wheels so this is the only way I can respond. I've watched lots of your other posts, and enjoyed them all.
My how things have changed in Meyersdale! My friends and I were there in 92. And we couldn't believe that where you were standing is now a 4 lane highway! And yes indeed the great Western Maryland bridge is both a bike and a walking trail! Hey but at least it wasn't torn down! Or left to rot!
CSX should revive the Kitten, the "Box Car" emoji is just weird and boring. The Chessie is classic!
I agree. Would love to see that.
Nice "Stealth" SD40-2. Easily seen in the fog!
@ZetanCrisp That's sand being put on the rails for traction.
the video was good but reading the comments from the cat fight from mecaturbo and unionpaccheyenne are twice as entertaining as the video .
That is pretty funny! LOL No extra charge for the ringside entertainment.
Thanks for watchin...
thats a good video i like that one
Not totally true on the NS 6 axles at this time meccaturbo. I have been down in the NS coal fields, on the Pokey Division after this video was taken, dozens of times, I have MANY video clips with coal, and grain train where it was only 4 axle locomotives shoving on the rear. Mixed GE, EMD, and road slugs for power. One in particular is filmed on Virginian's Garwood trestle. Just search "Garwood Trestle" it should bring it up. I know I have a bunch of other videos also, but not sure if posted...
Hi, can you pls explain more about what this means... de-loading and re-loading and ground relays?
meccaturbo stated: " Incorrect. A 6-axle locomotive cannot achieve the same tractive effort at the rails, as a 4-axle locomotive of the same horsepower."
Really? Your statement is incorrect. A six axle can develop more starting tractive effort than a four axle (unless you are comparing a 6 traction motor DC vs. a 4 traction motor AC, the AC drive will win). However, above a certain speed, for a given traction HP rating, the tractive effort will be the same whether 6 or 4 axles.
One GP-40-2 for a helper, what a joke.
And yes, I erroneously said "coal trains" when this one is an autorack. My mistake. However, my point is correct that for two equivalent horsepower locomotives, the 6-axle unit has a higher continuous tractive effort rating than the 4-axle unit. That's just how it is. No amount of arguing on your part is going to change the facts. Now instead of making more flimsy arguments, I suggest you do some research before you post any more incorrect information.
One of the units is de-loading and re-loading, suspect faulty ground relays. Late Chessie System/early CSX were pretty bad about maintenance.
BTW, meccaturbo, I know exactly what I'm talking about. I work in the railroad industry. Have you ever worked for a railroad?
6-axle locomotives are superior to 4-axle locomotives for helper service in mountainous territory. In terms of tractive effort per gallon of fuel burned, 6-axle locomotives are superior to 4-axle locomotives in helper service.
the load, is the amout of electricity being put out by the locomotive from the engineers control. If you re-load, you add more electricity, de-load to take some away. Not sure on ground relays though.
sorry i was in a bad mood.
Apparently you didn't read my post very carefully. I said that above 10-11 mph there is no difference in the output of a SD40-2 vs. a GP40-2. This is a fact! If you have enough TE to get the train moving from a start, and stay above 10 mph, it doesn't matter whether you use SD's or GPs. SDs are only better at really slow speeds. Doesn't matter now, AC locomotive are the choice for all service, which until recently NS was too dumb to buy. CSX was a leader in AC technology, NS is playing catch up.
correct me if I'm wrong ,But aren't they in dynamic breaking.
meccaturbo, why do you keep talking about coal trains, when this video clearly shows a train made up mostly of relatively light AUTORACKS? Like I said, NOTHING wrong to use a GP40-2 for some extra power on the back end in this situation. Did you actually watch the video, or are you too busy foaming at the mouth over NS to pay attention to details?
Grinding it out.
Incorrect. A 6-axle locomotive cannot achieve the same tractive effort at the rails, as a 4-axle locomotive of the same horsepower. This is how it is. Why don't you grow up and act your age with your "foaming at the mouth" comments. I have been professional in my comments, and you should act that way too. Again, grow up dude - your childish comments are not necessary on these forums.
6 axle locomotives have a higher continous TE ONLY below a certain speed. Above that, locomotives with the same HP rating will produce the same TE. Chessie knew that, and WOULD use 6 axles as pushers on low speed drag freight.
Again, Chessie's GP40-2 wern't designed to stock specs. Their Performance Control (derating) kicked in at a lower speed, alowing higher TE to be produced at lower speeds that stock specs.
You don't have any industry knowledge, so you just revert to insults.
Again
Grow up, dude.
ugh if you don't know than your not a real serious railfan maybe not even a railfan this stuff is for railfans only so don't watch stuff about trains when you don't know what a locomotive is.
do u play minecraft?
You clearly have no railroad experience. Playing with your HO train set does not help you win any real railroad argumetns. Listen up. SD40-2/GP40-2 tractive effort rating is 82,000lb/54,700lb continuous at 11mph, respectively. 11mph is not "starting" tractive effort, it is continuous tractive effort at a speed experienced on many freight trains being pushed over mountainous territory. 6-axle units have greater continuous tractive effort and are better suited for pushers than 4-axle units.
braking srry
GP40 helper....typical poor CSX use of motive power from that era. They didn't know how to run a railroad back then. NS has always been MUCH better.
And for the record, I did not start with the insults - you did, with your "foamer" comment. So as usual, you're not to be trusted in any way, shape, or form. I point out factual evidence. You claim to be some kind of a railroader, but you are not....so again, you have no argument.