The Jorge Polanco Experiment With The Mariners Is Over
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The 6th series loss in a row is a befuddling one. Back to back losses 5-4 to the Toronto Blue Jays would give the Mariners a 3-6 record on their final homestand before the All-Star Break. Many opportunities were squandered by poor timely hitting and the Mariners would fall short. There are obvious holes on this team at the moment and it is time for some of them to be left behind. The Mariners start a 2 game series on Tuesday against the Padres as their next games.
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Young pitcher + 7 plus era = Cy Young against the M's.
Yeah every game you hear about the opposing pitcher breaking his career high strikeout record.
@@BMoney77 by the 5th inning!
I would have won SOOO much money betting on the Mariners not scoring even once with bases juiced back to back innings... This is literally the single worst offense I've ever seen.
It's unwatchable.
They are literally bad at baseball things, simple baseball things you learn in little league, like moving runners over, not swinging at pitches out of the zone with three balls, etc...
This team needs an overhaul.
Back to back to back! We are fkn terrible
@@WiseMansFear-fp3uw exactly. It would almost be harder NOT to score, you have to almost try not to score there.
i think hitting in baseball as a whole is bad
@@jarailwillis9450That excuse is not gonna work. They are ranked near dead last.
@@fargomonkey5133 for real! Even my GF who knows nothing bout baseball, was confused as to why we couldn't even score lol. It's a sad fkn time right now. Overhaul I agree with completely
If we wait until the deadline to make changes, the division will be over. We caught a break this weekend that the Astros were playing the Twins. I wouldn't be surprised if the Astros have the lead at the break.
This team is so painful to watch. No plan at the plate, Just close your eyes and swing
I get tired of second guessers. Kirby went back out and SHOULD have gone back out. He had under 100 pitches and was pitching well. The longer he goes the less outs are needed by the depleted bullpen. If this was a lockdown bullpen like we all thought we would have if not for injuries I might change my opinion. But this bullpen is not that great. And Kirby really gave you the best chance to get at least a couple outs in that inning. Now....he didn't execute. It wasn't because he was overused. Another thing to consider is that this is the 3rd straight year Servais has overused his bullpen for the season. In 2022 the pen was on fumes down the stretch. Last year was more of the same. They absolutely need more innings from their horses in the rotation. Kirby NEEDS to go out and get an out or two in that inning.
I can see France and Polanco getting escorted off of the stadium grounds here real soon. I have a feeling those two know that day is coming. Mariner fans wish them all the best. 🙋🏻♂️
The only way I think out of the Haniger and Polanco contracts are trading with the Cubs and the Ms taking on Ballenigers contract which they would be on the hook for more overall but at least they get a productive player out of it.
@@seanwjones07 that's too good for the Ms we need something worse haha
im pissed : (
Get rid of all hitting coaches and have nobody speak to our batters about hitting ever again, they cant possibly get worse
I watch every game possible and its to the point where i cant stand to watch anymore but i still do because this is my fuckin team. This very well might be one of the worst offenses ive ever seen in my 37 years of existence. They continue to k at an astronomical rate EVERY SINGLE GAME. 12 straight games with 10+ ks, that is unacceptable and absolutely disgusting. 3 times yall had the bases jacked and didnt score a single run. Absolutely infuriating. Omfg cmon
Id love to see Polanco return to form, not sure why anyone would be pissed about that lol. I stand by it being a good trade but its getting very hard
Don’t forget Polanco’s sub par defense, inability to lay down a bunt or steal a base. He is a true zero tool player. 😊
I don't believe that we have "bad luck" when it comes to finding good second basemen. We had Robinson Cano for 5 years and he was great for us both offensively and defensively but he was a known commodity - a superstar before he came here and we had to get the checkbook out to pay him. Frazier, Wong, and Polanco have had a good year or two but no one has ever thought of them as superstars and none of them have been as durable and have as much power in their bat compared to Cano. I just think that they are trying to get bargains for players who could be good and are afraid to spend big money for a star and a true difference maker. If Frazier, Wong and Polanco were so great why would their teams let them go? I think all those teams knew that they were on the decline in their careers and were willing to part with them and no one was willing to sign/trade for them but us.
I remember the boos for Chone "Figgins". I'm having a Twilight zone moment all.
JP is also horrible. I have no idea why we continue to hit him first in our lineup
I didn't like they Polanco trade anyways, DFA him and say later. But, watch him turn into an awesome hitter after. Keep Haniger around for the leadership traits. But, watching this team reminds me of everyone wants to be the hero. Instead of being a team.
Thanks for the shout out great podcast boys
They will definitely start Polanco everyday.
Polanco is the latest incarnation of Chone Figgens. He is swinging the bat like he is 54 years old.
Here's the thing with the Blue Jay fans. MANY of them (I talked to several during and after the games) are actually Mariner fans in BC/AB. But given that it's the Blue Jays they come and support them. But the rest of the year they're all following the Mariners. Weird, but whatever. Like the other big teams we see come to town. LA/Boston/Atlanta/New York all seem like the same thing.
The twins seen this and knew it was time ti dump the down sliding Polo.. and the bargain shopping mariners were there at the checkout stand.. DFA Polo.. value added yo mariners = zero
Yep this happens every year. We love our .190 hitters that strike out a third of the time and get injured and play crappy defense/base running
was at both series during the Holiday weekend..and its pathetic to watch our hitters and watch Servais manage.
The Blue Jays intentionally walked Canzone and loaded the bases to get to Polanco because he was on deck. They know bro is an automatic out and were willing to walk the bases loaded to get to him.
I know I thought they were insane for Walking Canzone because he's a strikeout machine but I forgot who was next lol
At what point do we say it isn't "luck" that kolten wong and jorge polanco didn't work out? And we maybe say it's management and coaching that is failing our hitters? Because cal, julio, jp, france, garver, canzone, etc ALL suck this year. Teoscar had his worst year with us too. Iets not forget kelenic. That can't just be a fluke. Obviously we can't say it's 100% on the org., but a big chunk perhaps
That's what I have been saying. I don't believe in luck when this happens over and over again. It's clearly the owner not willing to spend enough money so the GM has to get bargain-basement players and cross his fingers that they aren't washed but every other team knows they are.
I don't mind if polanco goes off this series. If anything I hope he does. I just want consistency from this offense that is supposed to be average, but looks like a last place offense, where we should be wearing sad face bags over our heads. (Ala Chicago fan during the Chicago series)
This series felt like when they played the nationals last year where they should have won but they are so incompetent so they messed it all up
DFA Hanigar, Polanco, and the rest of them. If anyone is hitting at or under Mendoza, might as well see the kids come up and get experience. Who knows, someone might actually turn out
I got another guy who shouldn’t swing for the Mariners anymore, Ty France
Trade for Cruz(Pirates)... we give up, Polanco, Young, Hancock(its an idea) Trade for Chizholm(Marlins)... we give up Clase, Canzone, Hancock(if the Pirates arent there).. trade for Walker(DBacks)... we give up Locklear, Hancock, Evans, ptbnl(if the Marlins arent there)... fianlly trade for Vlad(Jays)... we give up Locklear, Ford, Evans and Van Scooter... dump Polanco, Haniger and go from there moving forward with Rojas(3B), Bliss(2B), Vlad(1B), TY(DH), Cal and JP ..and then OF would be this... Julio, Raley, Chizholm
Thanks Jerry
Didn't like the trade when it happened. Topa and Gabby Gonzalez was too much for a middling over 30 2B bandaid.
I mean Topa hasn't pitched this year and Gonzalez hasn't advanced past high A
@@MarinerMojoOfficial Still too much for 2nd base temp with injury issues and a robust .189/.280/.284 slash line.
That should have been a red flag for us that they only wanted those 2 players in return
@BenGarrott "only"?? Arguably their best reliver last year and a guy who was in their top 3-5 prospects?? That's far too much for an over 30, injury prone middling 2nd baseman on a short contract. I wouldn't have traded Gonzalez for Polanco straight up.
It was only a matter of time, unfortunately 🤬
The Mariners need to get back to basics...the small ball is not working for them right now
This team has the players they just need to change their constant exit velocity mindset especially when the bases are loaded in the bottom of the ninth YOU DONT NEED A HOMERUN FRANCE CRAWFORD AND COMPANY JUST NEED A FORKIN BALL TO MAKE IT OUT OF THE INFIELD tired of watching this team swing out of their shoes constantly and doing nothing other than striking out when even a ground ball or can of corn 2ould win the game
There were so many Canadians, Saturday was fun but also horrible I hate this team they're the best though
This falls on the captains and leaders not the role players
what is the deal with Jays fans turning out huge in Seattle? Proximity to Canada?
Ya. I used to work a 10 min walk from the stadium and they would come down in droves. And they were assholes. At least at the bar I worked at.
"Mariners top 3 in pitching"...not on the road they're not. Barely middle of the pack on the road
Sure all teams either good or bad, go through win and loss streaks, look at the Yankees current struggles. But with that said the M's continuing no-offense performance year in and year out says there something wrong in the front office that they can't seems to acquire the talent that can put the bat on the ball to move the M's from pretenders to a serious playoff contender. I am tired of M's chaos baseball, it ain't cute anymore. Colton saw something positive with batting in the Jays series? I must have been watching a different M's team with all those strikeouts and hardly ever getting anyone on the bases or bringing in a run when the bases do get loaded usually through walks or errors by the other team. BTW, the M's need pitching help too. When Santos returns should give some relief to Munoz and Stanek.
I say send Polanco down or DFA and bring Urias back up and have him play second with Rojas at 3rd and France at 1st.
I have more faith in Urias hitting the ball if he gets the at bats than
I do with Polanco and I think with
Urias and France being team mates from their Padres days I see the infield chemistry being much stronger than with Polanco.
Also get an actual DH and a better RF. Mitch Haninger can play as back up if there room on the roster.
Maybe send Trent Thornton down? I don't think he should be DFA because he has been solid for his role but it feels like Thornton has been struggling lately?
Voth is very underrated IMHO.
Not exactly closer material but
I feel like he is the guy who can get you to the Munoz and Stanek and hopefully soon the Santos.
I would consider trading Canzone
and some prospects.
It should be very busy in Jerry's office right about now
Bliss has more upside than Urias. Why trade Canzone..won't get anything better for him
@@timgoble7928 I think Bliss has better speed on the bases but Urias has better power if he can get back to form and unlock his potential.
Yeah maybe I am overestimating him but I think Luis Urias could get to being All Star level good.
I just would like to see that happen with the Mariners rather than another team.
I think Polanco is just past his prime and would fit better on a different team.
I actually like Canzone on the team but I feel like coupled with some prospects he could get a good trade.
Either way moves need to be made and sooner the better.
Haniger ain't Votto. But what can we do?!
Look I think the offense is garbage, but wtf is with Mariner fans NEVER calling out the pitching. Your offense gave you a 3 run lead that the bullpen blew in the 7th. Yes the offense didn't deliver later, but the pitching is not innocent.
Are hitters are more to blame than our pitching
Maybe in this series a few bad pitches but there were so many meatballs for the ms to hit then strike out or what not....cant hit with runners on in many of the series too....just a bad team last few weeks. Always want them to win n hope they get it together bcuz I do like France and hanger but they'll be gone soon if they cont this
I think it's because we had the bases loaded in like 4 straight innings and couldn't score once
Bright spots? Lmao
Shoutout Brandin all my homies love Brandin
Click bait title. I got excited thinking he was released or traded
@@MarinerOrk aren't you a member for this channel?
I can’t say the experiment is over. Jorge is having a bad go at it this year. But, his career prior says this is a fluke season. How many other big name batters this year are having cliff hanger seasons, ready to plummet? We forget, myself included, that Jorge played on a different team for his entire career until this year. Is him making a move to a whole new city, waking up in a new home every morning, meeting and making new friends an excuse to him playing like he is this year? Why, yes. Yes, it is. With that said, I do believe if you’re a higher tier player, you gotta figure it out before halfway through the season. But, again, that’s not to negate the stress of playing for a new team, new franchise, new fan base, new management, new roads to drive to his home field. It’s all new.
Well said, definitely is a very real thing to happen to baseball players, absolutely even in sports in general, yeah for sure those things can make a player uncomfortable and not perform well. Could that be part of the reason of his season struggles? Absolutely. Is that the only reason? Absolutely NOT.
I don't think Polanco wants to be here
If I was a boss and my employee was excusing his poor performance for his new environment, id be fuming. What a weak excuse to come up with
@@alexha2884 Baseball isn’t your normal daily job, in sports your environment changes basically every stadium or arena you go to, your home field is the one you are most familiar with, if it suddenly changes then wouldn’t you have difficulties with the new environment, especially when it comes to stuff like altitude, where it can be harder to breathe the higher you are. There are tons of different things that a change of scenery does to you. Whether it can be good or bad. For some players, they might just need a change of a scenery to help them succeed, but for others it doesn’t help, and in this case, makes the player worse.
@@alexha2884 thankfully you’re not the one calling shots. Life isn’t so black and white, bud. There’s intricacies and little things that go on in our day to day lives. And they multiply when thrown in to new environments and situations. I was a literal life coach for over a year. These things can affect even the toughest of dudes. Again, Jorge is an above average player and I expected him to get a grip by now. But, it is what it is and quite frankly, I’m not afraid to move him elsewhere… already. It’s just poor timing and it’s unfortunate for both parties. You can consider it a “weak” excuse but it is an excuse, and a valid one at that.
We can go ahead and say Polanco and Haniger should be gone, but literally the entire offense needs to be gone. Raley may be the literal only exception, Rojas if we're being kind and Julio if we accept him as a defense first outfielder. Literally everyone else this year and almost everyone every other year. It's just getting bizarre how many consistent years we have proven bats incapable of hitting with us and then bouncing back again once they are somewhere else. We'll go get another proven bat or 2 and watch them flounder as well. Promise
Haniger at least has 8hrs and 34 RBIs. Good enough to be a bench bat at least. Polanco isn't unless you're on a bad team
@@BenGarrott i think you missed my point
He does't want to be playing for the m's polo
The best part of the game yesterday was the stream, awesome job guys
this team might be the worst hitting team ever. Team average 216 and leads the league in strikeouts
Yet in 1st lol
Mariners have worst team batting average in baseball. Third worst team OPS.
brandon drury episode when
You can't say Polanco and hanniger and not throw in Tyi France too.
Quit saying quit saying he needs to step up. He's f****** garbage.
Haniger has been the best of the three and that's not saying much
Bring Locklear back up. Send Garver, Polanco, and France to the minors where maybe they can get some hitting advice from minor league players....
Garver has been the best hitter on the team since June 1 and is second in HRs and RBI (I believe). He is not being sent down and shouldn't. I love France and Haniger but it's time to DFA them.
@@scottblanchard9614 .179 batting average... .294 obp. And getting paid $12 million... He should be donating some of that salary to charity.
@@MengzisDisciple His overall numbers are not good (by far). But since June 1 he's been good and recently he has been our best our 2nd best bat. It looks like he is finding his groove and he's been pretty good the last 6 weeks.
Garver is fine if he's the backup catcher. Could be the best backup in the league
@@BenGarrott Sure. 12m to sit on the bench and be the backup catcher--sounds about right if you got 12m to waste. But shouldn't be the DH the way he hits.
Polonco for Torres.
This would honestly be a solid move for both teams except the Yankees don't want to take on money past this season. They need all the money they can get to make an offer to Soto. Now, they could decline Polanco's option in the offseason. This would be a good change of scenery move for both players.
Torres isn't great either
Hot take: send Julio down.
?
He is literally the best, or second best, hitter on the team and a gold glove caliber CF. This is a bad take even though he is struggling.
it was over in May y'all just didn't wanna accept it smh
Everyone crying but still in first place 😂
If we keep playing the way we are playing right now, then not for long. That’s the problem.
Yeah everyone's crying because it's OBVIOUS first place will soon be second and then likely third place, because this offense is HORRIBLE!!! It is hot garbage.
@@emmet21gaming91every time I see a comment like this (not yours) it tells me who either hasn’t watched any games or they know next to nothing about baseball. It’s just a foolish thing to think that just because they are in 1st that they are playing well and have nothing to worry about.
Not for to long
We are trending in the wrong direction
Don’t cut bait on Jorge polonco dude can play and people have slumps let’s not boo him this is nuts we’re talking about allowing Robles and bliss as the savior this is a time to have faith in Jerry depito
That's the sad thing. Polanoc is good and he isn't washed up and if he gets DFA'd and sent to the Dodgers or Phillies or wherever he would rake. He's still solid. I don' tthink he ever wanted to come to Seattle and doesn't want to be here now. He just isn't happy.
bring up Lazaro...cant hurt..at least we would get a sample size of whats yet to come
He is 19 and NO WHERE NEAR READY for MLB pitching (not that the old guys on the team can hit MLB pitching). All that would do is continue the trend of rushing guys to the majors in a panic and ruining them.