PART 2 / NO SPARK? OVERHEATED? HOW TO REPLACE AN IGNITION COIL ON A KOHLER COMMAND V-TWIN ENGINE

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024

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  • @ronkpaws1
    @ronkpaws1 Před 5 lety +8

    I always call the customer and explain that if both coils are old and only one has gone out that the other one might fail soon. I also tell them how much labor time they will be charged if we only change one and have to do the job over again for the other coil. I leave it up to them after explaining buying two coils now is cheaper than having to do the job twice and paying the labor cost twice.

  • @neutrodyne
    @neutrodyne Před 5 lety +2

    It may not be advisable but I take a garden hose, I cover the carb intake and starter motor and clean the engine with water. If it doesn't get clean enough with that then I use a spray cleaner and spray the engine, let it soak and then hit it with the water hose.

  • @donens9310
    @donens9310 Před 2 lety +2

    Both coils. Most of the Kohler command twin I repair are on grain augers, so access isn't an issue, but teardown is teardown. What the customer saves on only doing 1 coil, the 2nd coil will pay for itself in labor savings.

  • @keithspence1585
    @keithspence1585 Před dnem

    I always learned they work together replacing together. They’re the same age. They have the same amount of wear on them. Save yourself the time replace them both while you’re in there.

  • @tomycodd
    @tomycodd Před 5 lety +2

    I advise replacing both of them to eliminate an unecessary comeback because the other coil was on the verge of failing.Have the conversation with the customer about this and note it on the workorder.

  • @danielhauser2733
    @danielhauser2733 Před rokem +1

    What would you say the problem would be if neither cylinder have spark? Both coils bad at the same time. It ran fine last year. Any info would be appreciated

  • @the_realJP_
    @the_realJP_ Před 4 lety +5

    Great tip on the self tapping screws 👍

  • @DKSE123
    @DKSE123 Před rokem

    In regards to your question . I would strongly suggest you replace both coils . After the bad coil is replaced , it's very little additional labor to replace other one.

  • @johnshoe5132
    @johnshoe5132 Před 5 lety +2

    Call the customer and explain the situation, and advise if they go for both that great. Now, if they say no tell them it will cost more if you have to come back out and get it. Most of the time they will go for both

  • @clarkb9053
    @clarkb9053 Před 9 měsíci

    good question. If it was my machine being worked on, I would go ahead and replace both while it is open.
    But it is the customers call because its their $ and they may be planning to not keep it for long.

  • @RudyDePaz-ty7kx
    @RudyDePaz-ty7kx Před 2 měsíci

    Sparkplug grease... the aluminum colored anti seize, after you blow the chips out the holes😮. If nothing else grease...🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @richsmith9063
    @richsmith9063 Před 3 měsíci

    Definitely change BOTH coils (speaking from a customer perspective). Great video THANKS !!! My Kohler CH740 appears to have that problem after only 240 Hours.

  • @garyprn2000
    @garyprn2000 Před 5 lety +2

    I have this discussion with customers fairly frequently. In my experience the other side always fails quickly.

  • @butler386
    @butler386 Před 5 lety +2

    Another informative video. good job. I would do the same and let the customer know that many times when one goes bad the other is not far behind. As others have said let them know the costs involved so they can determine if they have the money to do both. Just keep track on the bill of their decision.

  • @nashguy207
    @nashguy207 Před 5 lety +1

    On my own equipment for my company since im in there anyway i would go ahead and replace both of them. I still enjoy your channel you are growing because of you. You are one awesome guy in my book as you know I have been around since the old days LOL and not planning on going anywhere. Keep up the great work and videos. God Bless you and your family!!!

  • @Mark-zz9rt
    @Mark-zz9rt Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for the advice on the coil mounting screw mine came out kinda hard but worked it back and forth.

  • @watermanone7567
    @watermanone7567 Před 5 lety +2

    I advise do both of them, but they are on a tight budget I usually ring out the other coil with an ohm meter to see if it is anywhere near spec. If the customer does not want the second coil, I note it on the service order and explain that only the new coil is warranted. I had a coil the other day out of spec and the machine would not start. Sometimes it does not take much with electric stuff. Thanks for great video's.

  • @jimvanderlinden7249
    @jimvanderlinden7249 Před 29 dny

    How do you know witch way to go if you don't have full power at .010 gap and how far do you go? What if the coil mounts are to long for the engine your working on? How do you find a replacement? How far will the SAM throw the timing off with the kill wire disconnected?

  • @joeganusi8522
    @joeganusi8522 Před 11 měsíci

    Not a tough choice, if you're a professional, replace both! Just like head gaskets on a twin. You do BOTH.

  • @simayeux1717
    @simayeux1717 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video. I have a kohler CH25 and replaced coils. Not firing. Would the stator have anything to do with it. If not can you show the wiring diagram on ignition

  • @12packnight81
    @12packnight81 Před 4 lety

    Man your video saved me a lot of $$$$ and heartache. I have a Cub Cadet 3206. The tractor cuts like a dream, but I always dread working on it. The engineer that designed it must have been mad at somebody, or was just plain evil!!! Im taking your advice and am replacing both coils. Using genuine Kohler coils, don't want to do this repair again. Thanks again Bro!

    • @dirtydirty1794
      @dirtydirty1794 Před 2 lety

      There is an old story that says that "an engineer caught his wife having an affair with a mechanic and they have been trying to get us back every since then" !

  • @kylesmith2293
    @kylesmith2293 Před měsícem

    Yes always

  • @spotmark2
    @spotmark2 Před 2 měsíci

    Very helpful, I have a 522XI which this applies to it too, can you add to your tags

  • @beverlybasil6784
    @beverlybasil6784 Před 4 lety +1

    Yes

  • @turckskidoo
    @turckskidoo Před 5 lety +1

    I always Let the customer decide after I I explain the pro and cons

  • @davidholzbaugh652
    @davidholzbaugh652 Před 2 lety

    I always replace the other coil also. Fix it once the first time and be done.

  • @leoc56
    @leoc56 Před 4 lety +2

    you replace both coils at the same time . Do you replace 1 spark plug or one wiper blade ?

  • @williamprice2899
    @williamprice2899 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video. My GT2550 is overheating and shutting down after 30 minutes of use. After a lot of reading, it appears to be a coil. I will replace both of them while everything is torn down. Thank you for good advice. I just subcribed to your channel.

  • @philliphall5198
    @philliphall5198 Před rokem

    Show a video on how to check 4 terminal Honda coils
    Can’t find information on testing them

  • @bretlambky
    @bretlambky Před 5 lety +3

    For better accuracy you might clean the corrosion off the magnet first, and then set the gap.

    • @neutrodyne
      @neutrodyne Před 5 lety +1

      I usually clean magnet and then spray it with a light coat of some type of clear coat finish like lacquer. That will keep it from rusting again.

    • @bretlambky
      @bretlambky Před 5 lety +1

      neutrodyne I agree, in the video the magnet looks pretty crummy. To be accurate on setting the gap I thought it would be better to start off nice and clean..

  • @justinberry3991
    @justinberry3991 Před 19 dny

    Are these directional? I just installed mine and then learned about some being installed a certain way

  • @AdamShaiken
    @AdamShaiken Před 5 lety

    Inform and advise based on your knowledge and experience, then let the customer make the call. Hopefully everyone is always learning ! Sometimes, if we are astute, we can even learn from others mistakes without making the same mistake ourselves...other times one's own stubborn nature can get in the way of the "learning from someone else's mistake" part !!! Peaced. BTW I asked a question about a Bolens 22" cut with a 5.5hp B&S self-propelled many moons ago(been a couple of years now !). Did you ever work on a Bolens ?

  • @kheadenmd
    @kheadenmd Před 3 lety +1

    You explain things very well

  • @jameshedrick6839
    @jameshedrick6839 Před 5 lety

    I always tell the people fix mowers for that if they have a 2 cylinder mower with 2 coils and one fails that they should change both. I have the same mower in this video one failed and i went ahead and changed both

  • @col2959
    @col2959 Před 7 měsíci

    Did all this . All good but then on full load one cylinder drops out and then eventually kicks. Ack in. Driving me nuts.

  • @williampennington5307

    I reather go head replace both an be done I got a cub cadet 2206 I'm just going to replace both when do it

  • @kennethsalter4040
    @kennethsalter4040 Před 2 lety

    I haven't seen any videos on the single cylinder kolher with the dsai igition coil. I'm working on one that's bad. CV 16 S. I dont want to spend 200 dollars for another dsai module .

  • @neutrodyne
    @neutrodyne Před 5 lety

    Ohe question of replacing1 or 2 coils, give the customer the option. If he decides not to replace the other coil simply note that on the repair ticket in case the other one goes out.

  • @ronniebrewster9991
    @ronniebrewster9991 Před 2 lety

    Could you tell me which kohler motor that is l need a v twin kohler that has a shaft out of the flywheel side ' just like the motor on the cub cadet you was workin on mine is a CH640-3120 but l'm looking for a replacement for mine and l noticed that one has a shaft coming out the flywheel side also ' thanks in advance for any info

  • @garydroper
    @garydroper Před 4 lety

    Just like knee replacement you can have both done at the same time, yes I know a friend who did it
    ,

  • @twosencefromcleveland6084

    In one frame the blower housing is off, then later it's on . This is the only abstraction about the job. One bolt won't come out . It's against the frame adding 2 more dimensions to the job . Deck belt and engine lift.

  • @vernonbruce3722
    @vernonbruce3722 Před 4 lety

    Maybe the valve lash is off a bit on the #1 cylinder due to the potential overheating problem.

  • @rhino3292
    @rhino3292 Před 2 lety

    I have a Kohler command I think it's 25 hp. V twin its on a commercial pressure washer. Im looking for a video of someone having the same issues im having so I can fix mine. It started by not wanting to start. I changed carburetor fuel pump filter etc. Seems to have whitish blue spark. But it is really hard to start. Like it takes a bunch of effort. Mayne 20 minutes I can get it to turn over. Once warm it runs but after a short period of time it looses power and wants to die out. By chance before I changed carburetor I put some trans fluid in and that seems to make it run good for awhile. Even with new carn though same deal have to toss some trans fluid in to get it to run ok. I checked valves and pushrod they seem ok. I mean if they out of spec it's not easy to spot with the eye. Only 500 hours on engine. Im stumped but not a small engine tech. Can anyone point me in a direction of what might be going on?

  • @mikebartley481
    @mikebartley481 Před měsícem

    you stated the thread pitch as .07 but displayed 0.7... good video though...

  • @larrysawyer3972
    @larrysawyer3972 Před 4 lety

    Replaced the coil on a Kohler command v twin vertical mount. I bought a cheap aftermarket coil. The coil arrived without any instructions. My questions is which way does the coil mount? Is the kill connector on the top or bottom. How can I test which way it goes. Seems to run the sam either way. By the way havent seen a new video in a while. Hope all is well with you and yours.

  • @craigsalyard8407
    @craigsalyard8407 Před 4 lety

    hey bud great video and it helped alot but would like to know what to do if i stripped one of the bolts while putting the coil on

  • @thomastoth1993
    @thomastoth1993 Před 2 lety +1

    change both for suew

  • @Michaelsandifer
    @Michaelsandifer Před rokem

    I hove a gravely with a kohler confident engine that died while mowing on a hill. Now I have no spark at plugs from either coil. What are the chances that both coils went out at the same time?

  • @kraniumpo
    @kraniumpo Před rokem

    Good work, man. Can you direct me to a vertical Kohler 24.6 hp coil replacement ? Like the John Deere has ? Thanks,
    Dead in the yard in Cape Coral, FL

  • @nightriderrv1139
    @nightriderrv1139 Před 5 lety

    I would try to get the customer to replace both and show them how much of a job it is to get to the coils and advise to change it while it's opened up

  • @kribeiro0000
    @kribeiro0000 Před rokem

    Tell customer that they usually both go at same time and suggest they replace both while ur in there. Pay a little now instead of alot later

  • @pbrstreetgng79
    @pbrstreetgng79 Před 5 lety

    It depends on their financial situation. I will tell them what I'd do, but if they're hurting in the wallet sometimes they will just want to fix the one. Where I live not everybody is well off financially, and sometimes they just want the bare minimum to get back to cutting bahiagrass, especially this time of year. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

  • @robertjeffery6100
    @robertjeffery6100 Před 2 lety

    Do you have a carb repair video on this motor by any chance my same cylinder is running lean and I’ve treated the fuel and drain the tank changed my filter but she still intermittent on the one cylinder

  • @stevenethery2510
    @stevenethery2510 Před rokem

    I usually call them and let them make that call.

  • @NINrod_M
    @NINrod_M Před 4 lety

    Thank you for the advice about removing the coil screws. I would have gone in with an impact gun.

    • @MrMrsregor
      @MrMrsregor Před 3 lety

      Pull the whole motor out to fit a impact wrench in there ?
      Dont think u can fit an impact in there unless you have a right angle impact

    • @NINrod_M
      @NINrod_M Před 3 lety

      @@MrMrsregor I was trying to say that I would have been lazy and used an impact. I'm glad I watched this video before I replaced my coils.

    • @MrMrsregor
      @MrMrsregor Před 3 lety

      @@NINrod_M oh yea, makes sense. I have the same bad habits... Probably good that my impact did not fit in there

  • @juliuscaesar8801
    @juliuscaesar8801 Před 4 lety

    My man...thank you bud for your instructional video. Looks much easier then I imagined. Although I don’t have the metal gaper but will use two business cards instead.

  • @aldricracette4813
    @aldricracette4813 Před 5 lety +1

    Great video mowermedic1 as always thank u

  • @pacemetalfab
    @pacemetalfab Před 3 lety

    I just traded for a Lincoln Ranger welder with Kohler CH730 23 HP.
    The engine was running on one cylinder only. After pulling the valve cover on the non fire cylinder I found a broken push rod. Both valves are free and each cylinder is measuring 155 p.s.i. I attempted to run the engine on the other cylinder. It is back firing through the carb.
    Do you have any videos on this topic?
    Thank you and new subscriber👍👍
    Tom

  • @rickhaney1350
    @rickhaney1350 Před rokem

    Have you ever had both coils fail at the same time on a vtwin kohler.

  • @jerryfarmer2967
    @jerryfarmer2967 Před 2 lety

    I recently bought a used cub cadet with twin cylinder kohler. It is running but I noticed that one coil wire is missing. What kind of problems have I bought? If I replace both coils should I be ok.

  • @jimthewindmillman9317

    What is the model you are working on I need that rear little drive unit coming out of the back of the motor

  • @teekafilms8896
    @teekafilms8896 Před 2 lety

    I need your help. I have a ex mark lazer x I’m having a crank no start problem I check the spark is good I got fuel I. Shot starting fluid in it still doesn’t start up u got any tips

  • @billyknippers6983
    @billyknippers6983 Před 4 lety

    Yes sir I have a kubota zero turn with a kohler 25hp vtwin and I am assuming one of the cylinders is dropping because one of the plugs doesnt get any carbon on it like the other and sometimes i feel like i can hear the one thats not firing cycle . any advice or clue to what this may be ? Great videos by the way .ps the motor sounds really good and has plenty of power so i am confused .

  • @MattyWill1
    @MattyWill1 Před 5 lety

    My mower always smokes just a little when I first start it after it sits for a day. What could cause that. It's just a little puff of smoke right when it starts and I always have to choke it to start but then it runs good.

  • @joestone2068
    @joestone2068 Před 4 lety

    Hi Joe here I have a kohler command ch22s in my cub cadet. It is running on one cylinder each coil has 2 wires that goes into like a CSI box.
    How can I test to find the problem. Thanks Joe

  • @rayburnett3253
    @rayburnett3253 Před 2 lety +1

    Replace both coils. The other coil could go out at any time

    • @THEMOWERMEDIC1
      @THEMOWERMEDIC1  Před 2 lety

      I am a firm believer in if it ain’t broke don’t fix it

  • @umpy3152
    @umpy3152 Před 2 lety

    On the kohler rebuild manual,it says the right side coil goes on with the kill tab facing out and on the left side the kill tab faces in. This is infact how the old ones were installed on mine when I took it apart. Are you familiar with this?

    • @col2959
      @col2959 Před 7 měsíci

      I thought was other way around ? Not sure. But yes one goes one on outside one on inside of coil ( kill tab )

  • @willisgilbert6353
    @willisgilbert6353 Před 3 lety

    great video, just what my issue it - hope to fix it this weekend. Thanks -

  • @anthonygushue2408
    @anthonygushue2408 Před 5 lety

    I work on small engine I would change both

  • @MrSwampy52
    @MrSwampy52 Před 5 lety

    I appreciate the tips! Keep 'em coming! ... Jim

  • @kalamelliel
    @kalamelliel Před 4 lety

    Great video. My problem is the engine won’t stop, it keeps running until I unplug the spark plug boot. I looked at the kill switch assembly and it looks fine I’m thinking the kill wire from the coil. What do you think and how I can diagnose the kill wire coming from the coil. Thank you

    • @mrbrown6421
      @mrbrown6421 Před 4 lety

      Did you fix your problem yet?
      With the engine running, you can connect a wire from any metal on the engine to the kill TERMINAL on the coil. If that kills it, then you have a wiring problem. If that does NOT kill it, the coil has a (rare) broken wire internal.
      If you have an ohm meter, with the engine off, measure resistance between the kill wire and any metal engine part. There should be zero (or close) resistance, meaning that kill wire is properly switched to ground through the ignition switch.
      Very often, the ignition switch connector is VERY dirty and simply needs cleaning.
      Also the ignition switch can simply fail, and needs replacing.
      Good luck.

    • @col2959
      @col2959 Před 7 měsíci

      Diode

  • @georgemartinez1720
    @georgemartinez1720 Před 4 lety

    I would the Customer that it would be ad Good idea to replace Coils now .
    Ot will hor cost more Labor wise
    But save cost rather
    It other one go out
    Let the Customee make the Choice when his trust .
    And they'll retuen

  • @SteveKluver
    @SteveKluver Před 19 dny

    I love your videos, @THEMOWERMEDIC1 and hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that gaping tool you are using does not result in a 0.010" gap, but a nearly 0.014" gap, which is outside of Kohler specs on everything I have ever worked on.
    I always first use a piece of fine sandpaper or scotch-brite, to rub off the old rust build-up on the flywheel magnet. Then I rub a drop of oil on it, to postpone future rust . Then I use a piece of brass shim stock, that is about 1" x 6".

  • @georgemartinez1720
    @georgemartinez1720 Před 4 lety

    Can I see some mower Drive Chain
    And Belt Tensioning On old Mc Clane 22" front Throw Mower

  • @user-qd6qj3kf4r
    @user-qd6qj3kf4r Před rokem

    replace all

  • @Jim-ie6uf
    @Jim-ie6uf Před 5 lety

    I give them a heads up, their choice.

  • @billsmith4840
    @billsmith4840 Před 5 lety +1

    Great job thanks

  • @palco22
    @palco22 Před 4 lety

    Thanks, great instructions !

  • @sandrabhicks
    @sandrabhicks Před 3 lety

    I would replace it now , to avoid it later . The few dollars extra is not worth the time lost redoing the whole process

  • @horificone
    @horificone Před 5 lety

    I just present the customer with the option, while i have the motor torn down. the decision is solely up to customer. i do NOT try to upsale anything !

  • @P.Trim69
    @P.Trim69 Před 3 měsíci

    cool good video looking foward to checking out channelas i too have a mower that wont goer looks to be like that heck it might be that one as it was gave to me from criglister on{y hour away cant get people down street get rid of theirs well theirs does run right. lol but i got cub new battery new starter seat is captains kind no spinny locked up tight and its a shame because this mower looks great to be old as it is deck was washed out when cut looks like it anway it was kept in garage its heavy duty 2452 or 2542 gt the ole side shaft kohley 20 hp believe try get it going for pops hes up in 70 and wont quit so im put this rider in rotaton if can what few things look for not busted case no oil leaks looks low on oil though say low oil and hill i seen where they cut mans 18 year old son was cutting and it quit all he knew and i believed him to my buddy lives down that way had him go look at it and he said looks good boy wouldnt help him put it in ranger and i was hour away he wouldnt hold it till got there if someone else came it had address on listing made my buddy sit there till got there lol well thats enough for now thanks for the imfo video

  • @robertcypress1699
    @robertcypress1699 Před 3 lety

    I used a sheet of paper, is that to thin?

  • @jaydensanchez5366
    @jaydensanchez5366 Před 4 lety

    I have toro zero turn with low compression on one cylinder. I replaced both coil but it did change. Can anyone help.

  • @glennmoore3764
    @glennmoore3764 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for the info

  • @kennethsalter4040
    @kennethsalter4040 Před 2 lety

    I would suggest both coils be replaced.

  • @normandhamel8789
    @normandhamel8789 Před 4 lety

    do the job right the first time and let the customer know what is going on".a stitch in time saves nine".your customer should appreciate it.

  • @willitrungarage6205
    @willitrungarage6205 Před 5 lety

    Great Video,

  • @armyvet4081
    @armyvet4081 Před 5 lety

    I replace both.

  • @4500tonpress
    @4500tonpress Před 11 měsíci

    Replace both coils

  • @frankdavidson9675
    @frankdavidson9675 Před 2 lety

    i just got censored so much for u tube

  • @paulwatts9014
    @paulwatts9014 Před 3 lety

    Replace both no question

  • @ClayBlasdel44
    @ClayBlasdel44 Před 4 lety

    how do I find Part 1?

  • @drinternatg6391
    @drinternatg6391 Před 5 lety

    Give the customer the info and let him decide as younsay

  • @lyndelbeckwith1706
    @lyndelbeckwith1706 Před 5 lety +1

    No cards popped up.

    • @THEMOWERMEDIC1
      @THEMOWERMEDIC1  Před 5 lety

      May not work on all platforms. If not hit up my ignition system playlist

  • @TimTurner115
    @TimTurner115 Před 5 lety

    Replace both. More money for the part.

  • @tomdennee3974
    @tomdennee3974 Před 3 lety

    leave it up to the customer, however, give him or her the entire story . The other is working but might go at any time.

  • @jamesself2409
    @jamesself2409 Před 4 lety

    How does a bad coil, cause engine to run hot?

    • @THEMOWERMEDIC1
      @THEMOWERMEDIC1  Před 4 lety

      Timing

    • @jamesself2409
      @jamesself2409 Před 4 lety

      @@THEMOWERMEDIC1 thank you, did not know if lean or coils. engine is kohler 23hp horizontal.

  • @jhugffhgfvjj2433
    @jhugffhgfvjj2433 Před 3 lety

    Home shop-I never fix nothing unless it's broke.. five minute job..

  • @jrneff9773
    @jrneff9773 Před rokem

    just fix it dont worry about the up selling here is the mower and the bill women who cant mow are the nasty people to deal with just fix it belts etc tires they will be happy

  • @robertmason7971
    @robertmason7971 Před 5 lety

    In my worthless opinion, I would replace both coils for down-the-road insurance....