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One thing I love about my Helix is that it has a stereo AES/EBU output. For me, that's a killer way to get sound from the box to the computer in as crystal clear a way as possible. None of the others have this. Maybe a small thing, but the details matter. The sound quality of the Helix blows me away and the fact that they still update with new stuff years later is so cool. I think it's at a price point most people can tolerate too.
These are the type of things that interest me a lot about this device. I keep saying it, the routing. I can only imagine if they do update the device, keep this routing philosophy AND double the DSP...imagine what that can be....
Even though its 8 years old, The helix still holds its own. The most recent updates really kept it relevant, with the cab/mic revamp, aswell as adding more awesome amps and effects. If you can demo Helix Native, then i would do that asap to get a feel for it. Theres tricks to get the best feel out of it, like adding a tiny bit of LA compressor at the end of the chain, and putting low/high cut on the cab/cabs around 100hz/10k to take care of boomy and fizziness really helps. GL man
@@LonelyRockerI have gone the route of trying all different modelers.. I keep coming back to the Helix. It's just works fantastically in so many ways. I even use it with tube & solid state poweramps with real cabs with amazing success.
@@TVoltG this is a big check in its favour. I really want something to compliment my tube amps and DI/Load Box recording. The Helix seems like a great IO box for that.
@LonelyRocker just chiming in to say that the helix and it's Native software counterpart are the best combo ever. Great modeling, and same user interface on both. They also sell you a copy of Native for 75% off if you buy their hardware. Great company.
Some thoughts: - Fractal FM3/9 or Axe Fx III: very professional and high quality devices with many amp models and effects. You can go really in depth when it comes to the routing etc. The signal flow is highly customizable and stuff like that. Some of the drawbacks can be the prices, the fact that they ony run in 48khz and that the audience might be slightly limiting for your channel. I've also had issues with using them as audio interfaces with the USB disconnecting regularly (known issue) and no latency reporting to the daw. - Helix: a lot of fun to use. Many high quality amp models and so many fun, quirky and unique effects. It's easy to dial in and to tweak but still with a lot of advanced options to go deep. Works really well as an interface too and slightly more affordable than the Fractal stuff where I am from. The audience is very broad too. Some potential drawbacks could be that they update less frequently than Fractal although I think they update enough and that the device is a bit older but it's still wonderful and I bought one recently too... - Quad Cortex: fun device with some cool sounds in there. Does capturing and it's still a relatively new device. PC editor is now available and plugin compatibility will also be available soon. I don't like NDSP as a company though and the amp sounds in there aren't as good as FAS and Line 6 if I'm honest. Capturing is very nice though but not as accurate as Tonex. In terms of the audience it's young, hip and djenty overall :) - Headrush: cool devices but just not good enough in comparison to the competition. The modeling tech is outdated. Cool for singers though with the Antares effects etc.
Thanks for this and your contribution to the video!! Most details point to Helix for me. My only hangup is that I really feel like we will see a new device form Line 6 sooner than later. My luck it would be the day after I buy a Helix ;) But I love what I see as far as IO and audio interface. This would give me the DI and Re-amping routing I desperately need in my studio. But I also love hat I see with the FM9. Maybe I'll end up with both eventually ;)))))
On the other side the two new headrush boards has cloning. That's easily on pair with the profiling on Kemper sound wise. I own both! Been very positive surprised with the headrush actually. Low expectations maybe. Gave the Fender a run and was not convinced at all. At least not for the money!
I do understand that for strictly studio use, a pc/mac editor would really come in handy! It's such a bad move from headrush to sleep on that! But I needed something primary for live use, and I that case the headrush had everything covered!
I have a TMP. Leo Fender said, "Form follows function". 8 cores of processing power for a real experience. It's twice the QC and 4x the Helix and 8x the Kemper. The more power you have, the less latency you get. The TMP has already made me a better guitar player. I spend much more time playing than programming. Don't need a manual to get decent results. Built solid for stage. Small enough for a table top to use the intuitive touch screen. Also, you can use a computer (I have a 32 inch computer monitor) to edit patch changes. Headphones sound great, output to guitar amp sounds great, to mixer and to FRFR. If you are up til 4am sometimes, as I am, you need a great headphone system. Also, the matching Tone Master FR 12 and FR 10 cabs are the best in the industry. Using two of them for a massive stereo sound is awesome. You can use the matching expression pedal but since I already have a Boss EV-5 Expression pedal and Boss FS5-L foot switch for the (latched) toe switch that works fine. Fender has a huge community. When Fender came out with the Tone Master amps (I have the Deluxe Reverb with the updates) I knew Fender was going for it. All that processing power for just one amp, that appealed to me. They were and are serious about showing us what a tube amp sounds like, how it operates, how it behaves when pushed. The first licensed EVH amps show Fender is serious about getting it right. Some amps take up to three months to perfect. That's why Fender's modeling is superior, they have the resources in their labs and studios and have hired the best people. I want to play guitar. I can let the real engineers do the engineering. The DSP power is now at the level where Fender says, it's time to do this. The graphical user interface is for musicians, not men in white lab coats. With the TMP, you can discover your sound and have fun while doing it. The screen is so beautiful. The Telecaster knobs work great. All the tube purists can now migrate to the digital era with a Ferrari under the hood of the TMP. Use a Tone Master amp to get the idea of how good Fender has replicated the tube amp experience. Plus there are so many good effects. Also, since the 4 effects loops work so good, I added an Eventide H90 for extra versatility.
@@mikem5685 WRONG. Nothing was proved. Sonic is comparing EL34 tubes to 6L6 tubes. Of course they are going to sound different. Plus the other modelers don't have the EVH Stealth amp. There are 6,000 IR's to choose from, different mic placements, mics, compression etc. You can easily dial in preferred sounds as I have done on my own TMP. My TMP sounds great with headphones or FRFR cabs. There are hundreds of ways to tailor the sound. The TMP does not suck. You take a preset and customize it to your preference. In Sonic Drive Studio review of the TMP he praised all the amp models it had and all the rest of the features. I use the TMP every day. I have other modeler units and the TMP is by far the most versatile and easy to dial in great tones. A side by side comparison is not very good if the amps are not the same. EL34 tubes sound very different from 6L6 tubes. There are hundreds of variations in mic placement and mics. Plus the updates are coming at Xmas. Fender did not spend 3 months modeling the EVH amp to make it sound like it sucks. I use the tools the TMP provides to tailor my sound. I never use the presets as is. The presets are a starting point, not the end point. I have a TMP. If you don't have a TMP you should not be judging it like you are an authority on hearsay. I have a Stealth EVH. Sonic does not. I have a TMP that I have customized the presets on. It sounds great. All my customized presets sound great. I have many tube amps so I know what a tube amp sounds like. I have many modelers and I know what they sound like. You can be sure Fender knows all about the comments by Sonic, and will respond with the Xmas updates to satisfy Sonic and followers who have been led astray.
I think these days all the modellers are Fantastic. Its literally the interface you want to work with and how you will actually use it that you have to decide. I personally have a HX Stomp XL because its small, does everything I want and has the flagship sounds. I personally think yes the axe fx and others may be slightly better as far as tones go but they are not 4 X the price better.
I've been using Fender Modeling amps exclusively for as long as Fender has made them. The GTX series with the Fender Tone app is a great combo. The GTX even has stereo XLR outputs. The Fender models are amazing. The price point is much lower and you get the option of an actual Celestion speaker.
Agree. I was just playing through my Fender Mustang GTX and every time I’m impressed. Can run it to the PA etc. That being said the TMP board looks interesting and more user friendly for live gig if not using a real pedal board. With the mustang GTx you have to remember what you assigned to each button
A powerd Kemper is overall the best i would say and with all the free updates over the years and works great with everything and the new update with liqued profiles is just great
I have an hx stomp xl but I'm not content with the sounds even after various tweaks and following examples of other youtubers ahs their settings and suggestions. It's ok for in the house practising but it's not for me playing live. I don't have a studio nor record but if I did and had the reasons you have, I would opt for the Quad cortex. The price has been reduced and it now has the desktop editor software which will help when creating on it. It also does captures, so you can set up your amp, speaker, cab with your pedals get them to what suits your taste then make a digital version of that gear there and then which you can use everyone you want to record without having to tweak the amp and pedals every time. It also has the in out connections for your studio gear. Then in the future, if the Tonemaster pro improves with updates, sound and community or a newer helix or whatever with better models, functionality, improved user interface is released, you could consider upgrading or adding to (as those might not be able to capture gear like the quad cortex can)
I haven't used any of these, but I'm very interested in getting into a modeler. I very much appreciate your thoughts on this, and I look forward to anything else you find out about these. I will say that the more I work in my studio, the less interested I am in bending over to change settings, move cables, or even look down to make sure I'm stomping on the right button. I'm thinking about making a panel to mount my effects vertically next to a rack with a patch bay to make it easier to move things around. I'm sure that I would rather have a modeler that can be rack mounted, if I have a choice.
Stay tuned to my channel. Lots more coming on this. I blew up my pedal board. Did a video about that too. I love amps and pedals but I’m building a hybrid workflow. Lots of videos on that too.
Listening to your requirements, the best choice, if cost isn't an issue, is the Axe FX III. It has by far the best routing abilities of all your choices, it has bay far the best Audio Interface capabilities, reamping, amp model selection and realism, effects etc.. It's not complicated, unless you want to make it so. People say that because you can dive deeper into parameters on any block than anything else on the market. But, you really don't have to. AND, as long as you can use the Axe Edit Application, and not so much the front panel, which for studio use, is perfect, it is very simple to use. Perhaps one of the largest communities, except for maybe Helix. CONSTANT upgrades to the firmware (monthly or moe), new features, amps constantly added. Nothing else compares to that.
@@LonelyRocker FWIW, I have an Axe FX 3 Mk 2 (had 2 older iterations), an HX Stomp, Tonex, and all manner of lesser modelers. I've also had a Kemper. No experience with Fender's new item, or Quad Cortex.
I find myself in the same predicament, I'm behind the curve in keeping up with this trend of modelers, yet it would be super helpful for my studio and videos. For the cheapest option I think the Tonex wins and the free samples I've tried seem great. Looking forward to your future videos and what you decide on!
I LOVE TONEX...I have featured it extensively on my channel. And no matter what I choose it will remain part of the process. I just feel I need a big box modeler and I really want to choose one that will resonate with my audience. I'm going to be looking at a few things over the next short while with some things appearing on my channel. So stay tuned!!!
Considering what you want, I think the Fractal Axe III is the way to go. Especially since it a studio only device, and has all the IO. Yes, it's expensive, but worth it as the crown jewel of your studio. I come from many years of gigging and recording with Helix, and the FM3 and FM9. You could get a gently used AFX III for not too much more than a new FM9 or Helix. Also, it has by far, more power than the other floor based units and the Kemper, allowing you to make complex presets and have comprehensive routing schemes if you wanted to, controlling and managing other pieces of outboard gear in your studio. Basically, anything you can think up, you are likely able to create sonically withing the Axe FX III.
I've had the kemper rack, helix lt, fractal axe fx2/FM3 and now the TMP. Honestly they're all really great. I find it easier to create tones I like without spending a ton of time tweaking on the TMP. Fractal will let you alter nearly every component of an amp and let you create the impossible. I prefer simplicity these days so I'm gonna stick the TMP.
On the subject of the Axe-FX 3. I hate it when people begin talking about this device in terms of MONEY! Oh, let's not forget about "It's SO COMPLICATED!!!" The Axe-FX 3 is something you will never outgrow. You get what you pay for! It's a one-time purchase. It does it ALL and will probably never be surpassed in its ability to produce fabulous tones from a simple setup of 1 cab and 1 amp to the most creative, inventive, COMPLICATED, experimental, and amazing concoction of WHATEVER your imagination can come up with!! Then, there's the electronics/audio amplifier nut that LOVES to get into the nitty-gritty of how a guitar tube amp works and what can be manipulated with internal parameters. (can the competition do THAT?) WOW!, now THAT'S what I call AMP MODELING! Music and songwriting is one thing, but the GEAR that enhances, and inspires your creativity should be limitless. The Axe-FX3...simply AWESOME!
I totally get the love for the Axe FX...but I do understand why the cost is an issue for some. One amp modeler can take the place of an investment 100 times over. BUT..amps, when taken care of, can last pretty much forever. They don't expire. Modelers will lose their value. You can pick up a Fractal AX8 for 500 bucks now. So if you make money with your gear it's a small price to pay. If you don't it's not the best investment. for me it's a business decision so you won't hear me complain about the cost ;)
Just pick the one that has the most suitable interface for your needs. We can all get caught up in this sounds a bit better than that A/B comparisons but very little seems to be discussed what's the user experience like. Pointless having a great sounding modeller if you don't like its work flow and you can't get the most of it and there's no one size fits all. Lets say Modeller A sounds a little bit better than Modeller B but Modeller B UI is more appealing to you. No right or wrong answer it just depends on the users needs. Coming from a producers background for the last 30+ years I find Axe FX logical and very easy to use but if I put myself in the head of someone new to this, I can see why it would turn them off. At the end of the day, all of these modellers can sound great and all of them can sound bad so understanding your chosen modeller is paramount for good results
Totally agree. I have specific needs beyond the models themselves. And that will dictate which direction I go. I’m also a channel here so multiple options is not out of the question 😂
If you want the best tones possible, the most processing power, and the most flexibility for studio use, I would suggest the Axe-FX III Mark II Turbo. The breadth of features it offers is not matched by any other product. The downsides are that it is expensive and there aren't nearly as many users as there are for Line6, Kemper, and probably Fender. You aren't likely to attract a huge audience making Fractal Audio focused content unless your videos are exceptional. Your main competition on CZcams will be Brett Kingman, Leon Todd, and Cooper Carter. If your main reason to get a modeling unit is to get eyeballs on your content then the best answer is the Tone Master. The CZcams scene for this product isn't quite as crowded yet and the reach of the Fender name will undoubtedly mean a large user base moving forward. Like you said, the hardware has a lot of processing power, but it is not very flexible at this point. Also, the aliasing is substantial and can be easily heard in the tone.
This is great feedback...thank you!! Lots to chew on. I'm torn between quality and audience. I have both needs. The solution may be a Fractal AND a Line 6 product. I'm going to play around with the Fender. I can get a demo unit in to try...but thanks for your insight. Helps a lot!
I own a helix , a kemper and a quad cortex. Now for studio i feel like my kemper is a fair weapon. For live i love my quad cortex having 3 band members on 1 unit is crazy and with the capture option with digital stuff is just a chefs kiss My helix is good ! How ever i feel like the amps are not that great however the fx are incredible!
Not sure where my prior comment went..... There are really only two choices IMO. Fractal and Helix. AxeFX III is the most expensive, most feature rich in the Fractal catalogue. The FM9 is the Goldlocks unit. You would just need to decide on if the features of the FM9 met your studio needs. If you don't need a footcontroller (the AxeEdit editor is fantastic), you will save a nice chunk of money - still the most expensive. Largest Amp catalog, constant development. If you like all flavor of things Marshall, there is no unit that tops the number of Marshall and Modded Marshall models. I was in the first few groups of users back in 2007-2008 with the AxeFX standard.. Great community there as well. The reverbs, Delays and Chorus are worth the price alone IMO. I don't feel the unit is difficult to work with in the editor, but you can tweak as deep as you want to go. Honestly, you could use SPDIF out of any of the Fractal units into your existing interface, and that opens up some different pricing options for you. The FM3 is currently on sale for 899 USD. Helix Floor. Great unit, easy to use with or without the editor. Good Amps and FX. Great routing options. Development is less, but still ongoing. This is what I have today, the FM9 didn't exist at the time of purchase and I've stayed with the Helix. IMO the Fractal edges out the Helix in general out of the box tones across the platform. Many of the default Amp/FX setting defaults have always seemed to work when I had my units. Some on the Helix will require a little fine tuning for many. The Quad Cortex...While is starting to look like the might deliver on initial launch promises, it's yet to be seen on delivering. Power issues, WiFi issues, I think they fixed some of the cloud sharing that drove users insane. You have Tonex - you don't need another capture box. I'd pass here for now. Fender, too early to tell here. Base fenders sound great, the other amps hit or miss. Form Factor and some of the features seem good. But having a bunch of DSP and no proof of a development track record long-term, it would be a hard pass for me until they are on par with Helix or Fractal. And they definitely are not today. You don't buy a modeller for what is promised to come, you purchase based on the existing feature set, determine if that meets your needs, history and track record, then always price. Just look at initial QC purchasers - they still don't have the full feature set promised at launch years ago. I don't think Helix or Fractal will have their next variation Flagship unit in 2024.
This is awesome. thank you very much for your insight. As an amp guy I never thought about my gear "expiring" or needing future development. Which is why the routing features of the device seem to interest me the most as this device will live WITH my amps and not in place of. You gave me a bunch to chew on. I really appreciate that!
@@LonelyRocker , With modelers it's difficult not to look at them like end of life computers. We're reaching a DSP point now where the updates are going to be very detailed specific items. Helix has less frequent updates. Fractal more frequent, and somewhat changes models historically a bit more frequently, I think this will slow down somewhat. Again, we're reaching a plateau for a bit with these platforms. It's really about eeking out the last bit of functionality and quality of life/ergonomics in both of these units as far as where current development is focused. We all fall into the trap of wanting all the amp models/tones ever created, but at the end of the day we really need to settle into more of a top 10 tones, add FX as necessary then create some music.
Well said. I'm more interested in the routing than the amps to be honest. OD course the amps are important but good routing will mean this device should be good for a while...I hope ;)
If you want a pure modeling platform and it must be hardware based then imo your choice is between a Fractal unit or The Quad Cortex. And strictly speaking in terms of tweaking and flexibility, Fractal takes the crown. Without question. The QC has HUGE potential but Neural has only just started to make any moves to realize that potential. Whereas from day one, Fractal has been refining their product and making their units more capable. P.S. If at all possible, you should borrow/rent the units you are considering. There's nothing like hands on experience and hearing them for yourself. And if you live in or near a large urban area with one or more backline providers, all the better. You can probably rent any or all of these units.
Thanks for your insight. I do have a hookup to try out the gear...so likely I will feature more than one on the channel and then keep the one that suits me best....
i am using a nux mg30 . i am happy. now i do not play covers . i do not make money from making music . i make music for fun . i do this often . the nuxmg30 is perfect for my needs . i am able to run it off battery power pack as it only draws 400mah . a lot of the larger units have color and touch screen displays and can not be run off dc power as easily as the 9 volt 400 mah draw of the nux which sounds phenomenal if you spend time to set it up properly . i dont chase tone so much as i make music . i dont gas . i make music . my gear does not define me , my music does . i have a lot of music i have made . being a guitar player has little to do with competing with the next guy or what he is playing thru . this does not concern me . making music does .
I've been using the Axe Fx3 Mk2 for close to 2 tears in my home studio, it's the Lamborghini of modelers and effects. However it's way overkill to bring to simple smaller gigs because you'll also need their foot controller. However, the Axe Fx FM9 is a floor model all in one for gigging, so you get all the best sounding effects and amp modeling. As to the complication issue?, not true, if you go with any of the 384 outstanding factory presets, and choose the ones you like, you can simply tweak them and save them, it's easy as that. The complication issue can arise if you decide to deep dive in the parameters, you can go down to the most minut tweaking if you wish too, and no one else comes close to that.
Until recently, I used a Kemper Rack and an Eleven Rack with a line mixer for live performance with a Beringer Midi Board. The Eleven Rack sounds good but features very limited effects and is getting outdated. So I decided to get myself a new rack. The Kemper definitley stays because I profiled my amps (Boogie Mark IV, Studio 22, Engl, Marshall), it's reliable, good on dynamic response and is kind of a solid backbone of my system. The only downside is the limitation in effects but the ones that are included are very good. Kemper finally made an editor which is very useful. As I like to have more possibilities, I needed some more devices. On my "negative list" were Quad Cortex (no editor! (Even Donner can do that on a $250 device) and there are not enough controls for using it as a floor board), Helix (the quality of the effects goes from poor to very good but I don't like the dynamics and sounds of the amps; the editor is functional but unattractive) and the Headrush (same point as the Helix but better amps). I finally decided to add a GT-1000 and an Axe-FXIII. The GT-1000 serves as a floorboard and (of course) also as a sound device. The handling of the device with knobs and switches is (unlike the Kemper) terrible. Roland/Boss still uses the same old menu structure as on the GP-8, even though this device is much more complex. Very fortunately, there is a useful editor (which is still unattractive and sometimes seems not be logic, but works). The GT-1000 features only a few amps and I don't like most of them. I was thinking of adding a Tonex into one of the FX-Loops but finally decided to work with the internal X-Amps. They sound much better than the other ones. This way, I only have two or three amps in the GT-1000 but these are very flexible. The good points of the GT-1000: the effects come in a large variety are absolutely unbeatable. In addition to the standard effects, there are many unusual effects which open a lot of possibilites (e.g. accoustic and sitar simulation and other crazy stuff; they sound incredible). Also, complex signal paths are possible; I like to use a wet-dry-wet setup on the GT-1000. One other important function of the GT-1000: it is my midi central witch incredible switching and CC possibilities. The Axe FXIII features excellent amps and cabs as well as a vast variety of good effects. Everything is dynamic and hassle free but it's a very complicated device. I only edit with the software editor since the onboard controls and menus are not very user friendly (better the the GT-1000 bis still miles away from the Kemper). The other important function of the Axe FXIII: it serves as a programmable mixer. The guitar in goes directly to ouput 2 and 3 and then into the Kemper and the GT-1000. Their outputs are connected to inputs 2 and 3 (each Stereo) and I can mix the lanes of the AxeFX with the Kemper and GT-1000 output signals. Like this the Kemper and the GT-1000 get integrated in the AxeFX signal path and I have a 3-modeller-parallel system with a single clean stereo output (analog and/or digital). I'm very happy with this combination since I like complex sounds and this offers endless possibilities. Downside: it's expensive and programming takes forever.
I have the Axe fx3 I can’t recommend it enough. Plus we get this gift of tone, if you aren’t familiar with it. On their homepage under download artists then select gift of tone 2023 and 2024. Ou latest was Neal Schon’s live rig.
You choose the Fractal. You welcome. But juding by your needs, I'd say go with Fractal for your need of lots of I/O options. The option to dial in the tone how you want a Fractal unit. Best product support and updates Fractal wins. So there I give you 3 options, Fractal, Fractal and then lastly the Fractal.
TMP for serious processing power. Seamless patch changes as a professional needs and an amateur desires. Fender is the company that sets the standard. Updates will make it greater. Connectivity is superb. The main guy that was at Helix is now at Fender. The Fender flagship will get lots of updates. It's the future.
I've had the HX Stomp, Boss GX100 (also GT1, GT-001, GT8, GT6 and GT5), original Pod, Behringer V-Amp, TC Nova, SansAmp, Zoom 9002 etc and now have an Ampero One. IMHO by far the most important thing is how good the drives sound when they're just breaking up. They can all do super clean and super driven, but the point when you're getting sustain and balls without realising it's distorting is very hard to do. The best at that are the Ampero and the GT5, funnily enough. After the GT5, Boss changed the drive circuit in the GT series and they're not the same. Don't like the Line 6 stuff 'cos the drives don't do breakup properly.
I think in your situation the perfect solution is an Axe Fx, yes you can use ins/outs 2,3,4 as fix loops or you can connect with your real amps / analog pedals, but it is important, you must have to use a load box between your amp and the Axe fx, for example that Suhr load box from your studio and basically in this case the axe fx can be used as an ir loader too. You have the possibility to create simple and extremely complex presets and routings if you need! That’s my opinion/ advice. I hope this helps you to find the right modeler. Cheers!
Thanks for your insight! Yes, of course. My amps are ALWAYS connected to a load. I have a few options here to keep them all safe. The routing and re-amping possibilities excite me. This will plug a big hole in my studio. Cheers!
Since Line 6 has been modeling for DECADES, and given your prerequisites of using it as a 'hub' for your studio - The Helix Rack is my recommendation. TONS of I/O (including Word Clock [In], S/PDIF [In and Out] and AES/EBU [In and Out with L6 Link for powercabs or chaining multiple units for more DSP]), a constantly updating and improving amp list, hands down the best effects of the bunch, super easy signal routing with tons of options. I've been using a Line 6 Spider (older one and newest one, both fantastic for the time) my entire guitar life, and the Helix Rack & Control Pedal is the godfather of my dream rig... until the next big bang of a device from Line 6 that is ;)
@@LonelyRocker I agree entirely, and every year I tell myself "its old" and then they make a new form factor of the series and update firmware again, and then there's life in it once more. To be honest I see a good handful of people still using the Pod Pro rack unit, so I also tell myself "well people don't tire of Line 6 easily, and how much better could it get realistically?" I feel like Sisyphus hahaha
Well, from my perspective, if you are looking for content to create, I love the Tone Master Pro. Easy to use UI and not a lot of content out there just yet on youtube. Yes, it was saturated with reviews at first. But, just not a lot of content to consume just yet. I have a TMP, QC and Helix and keep finding myself coming back to the TMP right now just because it’s so fun to use. I’m thinking about selling my other gear, buying a Tonex (so I have any amps that the TMP might be missing) and then just using the Tonex and TMP.
That would be a great combo. I see TONE fitting into whatever path I choose. The TMP is an intriguing option. Tons of IO on it that I know will streamline my recording workflow. And getting in on the ground floor as a creator could be an opportunity...BUT...that only works of the TMP becomes a real player in the space. Helix and Fractal communities are huge and loyal. So I do I take a chance on something new or become an expert on something that's standard issue. Thanks for your input. I clearly have some thinking to do :)
@@LonelyRocker That is true. Can't really go wrong with the Helix with a huge userbase either. Only thought on the Helix is, I am wondering if they are getting ready to release their next flagship product. If they do, that will be a huge hit. Good luck with your search! 👍🏻
THIS IS EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS...There is no way they won't release a new device sometime sooner than later. This is my hesitation in buying one full pop now....I'm digging through my contacts though :)
I've been on the fence about modelers forever and I have yet to buy anything. As you said there are so many choices and now with singular pedal models like the Iridium, ACS1, and the UAFX ones ,there's a lot to chose from. ...too much lol. Also what about that new one from Friedman the IR x I think...looks and sounds pretty impressive. It depends if you want an entire modeling solution of just amp and speakers. For working in the studio there are some great plugins. I have a thunderbolt audio interface so I don't have to worry about latency when using them. I love S gear and although I have others I always end up with S Gear. I still mic up amps and I also use a Two Notes Captor load box with real amps. There are times when a hardware modeler would be great to have...sounds like you're in the same spot I'm in with this decision. I think that if you want the most professional the Fractal stuff is the way to go....maybe. I've been considering an FM3 for a while now.
I've heard great things about the IR x....many in this thread mentioned it. I just want a major modeler to cover off the things I said in the video plus the opportunity to make content around it for this channel. That's why I really need the device....
Simple - Axefx - just bar far the most comprehensive product and best sounding ( I’m a helix rack user ) The amps and effects are other worldly ! I’ve had the cortex and Kemper stage ! Now a bit stuck with rack but will be going back to FM8
For something that covers hardware and software, I'd say either Axe FX or Helix. At the moment it's really a two horse race. Quad cortex pulling up steadily in 3rd place.
All i know is this i am a home player.my boss gx100 is all i will ever need.just love it.but if i was buying a new one and price didnt matter.fractal all the way.but they are all really good to me
I'm absolutely loving my Fender Tone Master Pro. I've replaced my Helix and I'll never look back. The DSP power as well as the UI literally changes everything. I hate making changes on the Helix. No matter how much I use it, it's just not...enjoyable. The Tone Master is actually FUN to use. Imagine that!
Sounds great! UIs are such a personal thing it seems. Others have said they love the Helix UI. Glad it’s working out for you. I’ll definitely try the TMP before I make my decision. Thanks for weighing in!
Fractal Axe Fx III is the only Pro one. Yes, you can use the INS and OUTS any way you want. Basically, it is like this: The Fractal can do Anything you want and sounds better than all of them. From an ex Kemper user and former and current Headrush Prime, Tonex, and Fender TMP user, get the Fractal AF3. Here is the one thing I always say about the Fractal: Best piece of gear I have ever purchased and worth every penny. BTW, the Fractal absolutely smokes the competition in FW updates.....not even close. I am 2.5 years in and when I started it was on FW #15, today we are on #22 and awaiting the full release from Beta #23. Oh, and you even get to try out Beta FW releases if you want. The cool thing about Fractal is all the info is from real people and never paid advertisers since it is not sold in stores. Awesome community as well. My real amp stash has been dwindling ever since my purchase and really, I should just sell the rest since I never use them anymore.
Having the 4 loops gives you so much versatility. I have my SYN 2, Marshall DSL, 6505+, and Tonex in the loops. This makes auditioning sounds as easy as a footpress@@LonelyRocker
I love my helix LT it's amazing and it holds it's own and the update just improves it more overall . If fractal audio came out with a fm12 thou I would like that lol
If you are looking for the best tone I will say Kemper every time! If you are looking for the best routing and decent tones I’d say Axe 3. If you are looking to use a unit to create video tutorials on how to use then QC or Tonepro. Even though Kemper is old the tone and reaction to pick dynamics is just too good…when you play a Kemper and then you go to an amp it feels the “same”. Fractal is great but it needs tweaking and I mean a lot of tweaking. The difference between these two is that fractals effects are fantastic and it’s a whole lot more flexible…but the “core” tone and dynamics isn’t as “real” as the kemper.
You are behind. The new Helix floor was just released, Pog go doesn't have as much DSP but is a great unit and Headrush just released to brand new models.
A new Helix floor was not released. It's the same tech as the rack that first released in 2015. They offer periodic firmware updates but the unit is over 8 years old.
My suggestion is to buy a Friedman IRX Preamp Pedal it is awesome ! It has 2 -12ax7 preamp tubes 2 channels with boost for each an effects loop and irs as well . I’m useing a HX Stomp with it for effects !
I’ve owned the Helix LT for over five years, and love it, but for your needs I don’t think I would recommend the Helix because it is too mature. I would think the FTM would be a better fit because you will have a lot more opportunity to create CZcams content for that device which is new, compelling, and will generate buzz. Also, I think the FTM is a lot more approachable for the non and semi pro users which, to be honest, is most of us. If Line6 had a new version of the Helix coming I would say wait for that, but since that is a big question mark I would go with the FTM. Be a foundational member of that community, make a big impact, do videos on all the new Amos and updates that they make for it, and when Line6 comes out with their new device you can make a bunch of videos about that device and why you switched, or didn’t switch from the FTM.
If you want to save money: Boss GX-100. If you don't want to save money: Fractal FM9. If you don't want to save money and you need a very easy to use interface: Fender TMP. If you want to save money and you need a very easy to use interface: NUX Trident. If you don't want to save money and you want to capture amps: QC or Kemper.
I’m guessing from what I see you are currently recording system I doubt you would not be able to adapt quickly. The Axe III difficulties seem overwhelming at first. The presets are very useable from jump street! However, you regret not taking it on. Hey, if I can do it, then anybody can! It would be great to see if the Quad Core’s AI advancement in the next five years! At the end of the day it is what sounds great to you!
The ultimate one? Im inclined to fractal FM9.....a tactical combo? Boss GT1000 core combined with TONEX pedal (an array of FX presets combined with an amp setting according your preference..... but really the UI of the Tone Master Pro reminded me of one of Selena Gomez 's song lyrics.......THE HEART WANTS WHAT IT WANTS. But untill i win the lottery.....better stick to my old friendly dinosaur.....the Digitech GNX3
had a go on the more expensive units such as the kemper, fractal, helix. Honestly the budget modellers such as the mooer, hotone and valeton are just as capable :/ it's a great time to be a guitarist
Hi i am glad that i stumbled upon you r Channel ... i would love to see a full review of the modeller from St Rock (Amperium live) maybe with a sound comparisson to other units :)
Glad you found me! I've reached out to a bunch of companies to get as many modelers here as I can. I will be featuring the Sonicake Matribox2 very soon and I will try to get the St. Rock. Some companies are happy to send product and some are not...we'll see!!
I have reviewed the GX-100 on my channel...it's a great device. I actually got a Fractal FM9 first (Did a follow up video to this) and then I got the Helix. Line 6 sent that over. That was my plan all along and I'm hoping to secure others as the year rolls along. I making A LOT of content on modelling this year :)
That is a tough choice. I’ve been a Helix user for a long time but I might suggest just buying a good audio interface and go with either Helix Native or the Friedman IR-X (or both.) If you like that Friedman sound I really feel like the IR-X is a monster and using Helix Native your processing power isn’t as limited because you could run multiple instances Don’t know if that resonates with you but just wanted to throw my suggestion in there
For just the recording side of me this makes good practical sense. For making content, not so much. I want to adopt a platform that I can make content around. This is the main reason I out it out there...it's been great getting feedback form the community.
@@LonelyRocker I misunderstood your needs; my bad. My opinion is that even though Line 6 has stated there are no plans to release a successor to the Helix that just seems like it’s either not true or a poor business decision. I feel like if they planned to unveil something for 2024 that it would be announced before the end of the year (just a gut feeling). I also think that if they released something new it would huge so it might be best to wait a few weeks and see if they make any announcements. Just my humble $0.02
That's exactly how I'm feeling. It just seems so late in the cycle to buy a Helix yet it seems to be the one that interests me the most. My gut tells me there won't be a Helix 2 but some new device line. So the Helix can live on as one thing and then the new product line can tap into modern needs and technology. We'll see!!
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Literally, any. Decide depending on your budget and your UI needs. Fractal is expensive and has terrible UIs, others are a bit less expensive and have better UIs or straight up amp controls that everyone understands. Most, if not all, can get you excellent sounds nowadays.
Headrush doesn't get enough love. Idk if it's because they didn't spend as much money on advertising or what. Headrush pedalboard sounds the same to me as the $2500 kemper. Headrush you can reamp with too.
I'm happy with Amplitube 5 and ToneX together you can create anything you want pretty much. I have the GT-1 Boss that has some effects you can't find in those two and I use it through Amplitube cabs or IR's. No audio interface in those though, but a dedicated Interface isn't expensive for a pretty good one. I don't like Line6 at all, they sound lifeless to me.
@@LonelyRocker Too many choices right now, you could go with one device or multiple divices on a pedal board type set up using some of the pedal amp/cab sims. I don't know what I would get maybe the top of the line Boss, I associate rock guitar sounds with their "sound" because all multi-effect products sound slightly different. I don't think you can miss when you get into the 1K price range.
Pick one and get to work. They all take a few months to really dial in and be comfortable with. I have the Boss GX100. After playing with it for a few weeks I started wondering if there was ANYTHING that sounded better? Then I bought a Quad Cortex. I sent it back after 3 weeks. I was just used to the Boss and the workflow. The QC sounds great, just not 3 times as great. The Boss will absolutely melt your face off. Edit: the amp models in the Boss sound ever bit as good as the QC, with lower latency. Just much fewer amp models.
@LonelyRocker cool! I will check it out. I really am impressed with the unit. Especially since it cost 1/3 as much as the other units with the lowest latency out there. The effects are great as well. I have an Eventide H90 as well. That's basically my whole rig.
Nice! I have a new relationship with Boss. It’s likely we will see other Boss products on my channel. They were very happy with the first review video I did on the ME90 so hopefully we’ll see more hardware here soon!
You know...I actually talked about it and cut it out of the edit because I thought the video was getting too long. It did make my top 6. I have reviewed the GX100 and ME90 on my channel and they are both good units. Regardless of what I decide it's possible I'll see another Boss unit here at some point...
Even the cheap headrush mx5 actually sounds really good with York irs it’s time to play what ya got just pick one they all sound pretty good.. spend more time playing… so whatever one gets you the sound quicker than tinkering all day. Bands have made full albums on the old school pod all of these crush that…no excuses just play
Long time helix user here. I've also had a tonex for some time and i recently purchased the fractal fm9. In my experience helix its the best for the price, tonex has the most accurate sound but not many effects. So go for helix, fractal sound a bit better than helix but for the price and the shitty interface it's absolutely not worth it
It's been a big tug of war between Fractal and Line 6 in here. My only hangup is I believe deep inside that Line 6 will surprise everyone and come out with a new flagship unit in the not to distant future. That's my ONLY hangup right now!! Any thoughts on that?
FM9 sounds great but the UI sux not easy to program you will spend hours and hours . The new Fender Tone Master has been getting some not so good reviews but the UI is very well done . I reckon with some firmware updates it might be improved . I suggest the NUX Trident as your first unit , great tones , IR, amps , signal routing outputs galore , you can download your own IR's, effects et al , save your money buy the Trident first .....check out Pete Thorn's review .........you asked. Cheers !
There's a bunch of smaller modelers on the market worth checking. I just got the Matribox2 which I will be featuring soon. Great time to be a guitar player!
Who would buy a Helix in 2023-2024? It's eight years old and on the way out. I'm not a major fan of the Quad Cortex with it's hieroglyphic effect block lay out similar to the Helix, but it will shortly be able to upload the Neural plugins. Plini X will be the first.
The only reason I’m considering it is to get into the community. Remember I’m getting this device for my channel as much as I’m getting it for my studio. I’m fully aware the Helix is closer to end of cycle than some of the others. And I noted if I get it I may be in a situation where I will have to upgrade sooner than later. But i like the IO on the device and it’s a big community. But I’m not jumping for the exact reason you mentioned.
Just throwing my two cents in: might I suggest the ISP Theta Pro DSP Floorboard? Of all the floor modelers, I found this one to the most authentic & awesome sounding. Also, I found it to be the one that I had to do the least "knob turning" to get great tones.
Never even heard of that one! Seems my local retailer carries it. Seems it doesn’t have a lot of IO and that’s very important to me but I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks for the tip!
I own all of those digital machines and they are all good, no matter which you pick. But I clearly recommend to just wait for the Amp X. Why go digital when you can have the real deal analog amps and analog modelling - which is the thing that modellers try to simulate digitally? After you still use analog amps for a reason, right?
I would not describe a company who regularly gives great, dependable updates as being ' aggressive'. You already know what you will do. You 'hear' a lot already.
I've had the HX Stomp (and Helix Native), QC, ToneX and Kemper Stage before now owning a brand new FM3 MK 2 Turbo and this one is going to stay :) I was quite happy with the QC in terms of tones but I got it in 2020 and the lack of desktop editor was just not bearable for me coming from the HX Stomp with the desktop editor so the QC had to go although I have to say the tones were a lot better than the Helix stuff. I have to say I never really achieved a great sound out of the Line 6 stuff and was never really satisfied with it. It just gave me the feeling, that the models try to be the real thing but they just arent. The QC models were better but not perfect, but the captures were phenomenal. However, after the HX Stomp and QC, I got the ToneX and tbh the editor was just garbage and I couldnt understand the hype about the platform at all since the tones were not as good as the QC in my opinion so that had to go as well. Next came the Kemper Stage, which is my favourite of them all in terms of feel. That thing just feels amazing to play and sounded great as well but I hated to be dependant on other people creating great profiles as I dont have any real amps or outboard gear and that only led me to spend a few hundred euros on commercial profiles. After some time I got sick of it and wanted a real modeler again so I can create the tones on my own and stop spending money on profiles I probably not gonna use anyway which lead me to the Fractal FM3 MK2 Turbo. This thing does everything right where all the others failed and I feel completely satisfied with it. The sound is phenomenal and it feels amazing to play. Regarding the size of community, the Facebook group of the Fractal Audio stuff is the biggest of all of the modelers/profilers :)
@@LonelyRocker You are welcome dude! :) I just realized the follow up video is there after writing the experience report with the modelers lol so I proceded to watch it. Great choice there with the FM9! :D You have made a fantastic decision :)
look at what modler has the most real amps u use the most in the studio call up local stores ask if they have em to try out bring ur main guitar and what ever cab you use
My advice is DON'T choose a modeler. I got rid of mine and went with a good tube amp and cab and a Boss ME-90 for effects. No more tweaking settings and staring at screens trying to get that extra 0.3% improvement in "tone" instead of playing guitar.
I already have an inventory of tube amps from Marshall, REVV, ENGL, H&K and EVH. Modeling is a very popular topic and it has some great applications working with REAL amps in a recording setting. That's why I want one with a lot of IO....I will have news on that VERY soon :)
I wish Fender would take their ToneMaster Deluxe Reverb and put the electronics out of that amp in a pedalboard sized pedal…NOT the ToneMaster Pro at $1700, but just a single amp without the cabinet and the high price.
Quad cortex. Didn’t like the helix or Kemper’s feel or sound. Quad is quick flow. Easy yo set up a sound and feels mist like an amp. The UI is great. Amps first. But I’d go with a quad. Customer service has been great to me as well with a used unit.
Headrush or Boss GT 1000 I’d get the QC fractal and Fender is too expensive Helix is ok but a bit old now and technology has moved on The Headrush has a capture feature too
"Best modeler" does not exist - it simply depends on the requirements and !!how much you are willing to compromise!! Apart from the question of features and usability, the main question for me is ever: how good does it sound and how good is the feel - unfortunately none of the great YT's dare to make a definitive statement - so all that's left is to go and test it for yourself!
I agree! The question was "Best for me" based on the specs I laid out. I want to inherit a product that will serve my needs and to help me create content that my viewers will appreciate. That's why I made this video. I wanted to engage my viewers and get their thoughts without passing my own opinions on any of them...
You did not mention de Headrush Prime or Core, same features, same if not higher quality profiling and cloning, at a lower price with better interface and vocal processing on top
If you want the best get the FM9 or Axe FX 3. If you need a suite of software along with a good modeler, get amplitube 5 with or without tonex pedal. Thats it.
I have all of the TONEX and Amplitube stuff. TONEX is big on my channel. I want a big device with lots of IO for recording...I'n not so worried about the amps...but Fractal is great, I know...
@@LonelyRocker Why not try both and find out which is better for you, you can always return the one you like less. axe is ok, but it never sounded right to me, then it's too complicated, the UI is a nightmare.Fender UI is so simple and easy to use. I'm a Fender amp player and they sound amazing like you're playing a real amp, I didn't have that experience and feeling with axe.
Fractal is miles away from the competition, specially if you value effects like delays and reverbs. I would keep my FM9 just for the effects if I was using an Amp. But the modeling is second to none too. If I needed captures I would just get a Tonex and add to the loop, or get a AX3 as it can do tone match too
As a professional computer engineer, and a fervent user of music technology, I will remind you that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Certainly the Helix technology is 8 years old already. The fact that it is still so widely popular provides plenty of evidence of its obsolescence. Line 6 remains committed to the Helix. A big update was just released yesterday. Sometimes it's not the size of the hardware, but how well you can use what you've got. Line 6 has shown repeatedly they have what it takes. Further, this is Line 6's bread and butter. Yeah, they make a guitar, but only to exist within the context of its paradigm. Fender is a general musical instrument company, heavily diversified. Fender has a reputation for abandoning products as soon as they have proven to underperform financially. How many "high tech" amps and pedals and other gear with the Fender name on it have we seen come and go like a blur? I would say that you should do your homework for sure, but, if you're going to make your choice based on which product is going to be best supported in the future, Fender should be your last choice. If you buy a Helix now, by the time Line 6 is ready to replace it with the next thing that's significantly better, you'll have gotten your money's worth out of the Helix you bought now. If you want to stay on the "leading edge", make sure you choose a company whose existence relies heavily on the success of the technology you're embracing, and not the the guitar company hungry to grab a bit of market share it doesn't current have.
Thanks so much for this! Great insight. I quietly share your thoughts. I thought it would be a great opportunity to get different perspectives and I certainly have. Thanks so much for participating in this discussion! 🎸🤟🏼😎
The one question I have about the Fender Pro is the amp modeling/capture ability? I have the Kemper and the Helix and love both and I love the Fender amps I own. Do you think Fender will do Updates and sell more amps? That is a game changer for me
Being a betting man they will sell bundles and if they are good I will buy them, These modelers take a lot of time out in the studio, Direct and they sound great @@LonelyRocker
Kemper, it's got liquid modelling now and you will not need to change the hardware for quite a while yet. But why not get a great amp instead? All these modelers offer a few variations on a theme, that's all. Absolutely no one needs 200 amp sounds.
Trust me...more REAL amps will make their way here. Just this year I've added an ENGL Powerball 2 and a 5150 Iconic...more to come! The modelr will be my hub for recording AND modeling...that's the plan... :)
Let just say, I finally bought a Helix last year after 6 years reading reviews, listening, and debating....then after a full week playing, I returned it. To me, my old Boss GT-10 sounds better than Helix. Then in September 2023, I got my Fractal FM9 Turbo. This modeler have gotten me smiled ear-to-ear. I have not looked back since. If I lose it, I'll buy again. It's that good. Goodbye my amps; and Hello FM9. 😅
@@LonelyRocker i was doubting between the headrush and qc. I ended up with the lion from ua. Iam planning to get the dream and the ruby aswell. Its still a small rig with in my opinion one of the best sounding amp modelers. I got a bunch of pedals aswell. I dont need 60 amps and caps. Ofcourse modelers are great. But for me i think this is the solution.
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One thing I love about my Helix is that it has a stereo AES/EBU output. For me, that's a killer way to get sound from the box to the computer in as crystal clear a way as possible. None of the others have this. Maybe a small thing, but the details matter. The sound quality of the Helix blows me away and the fact that they still update with new stuff years later is so cool. I think it's at a price point most people can tolerate too.
These are the type of things that interest me a lot about this device. I keep saying it, the routing. I can only imagine if they do update the device, keep this routing philosophy AND double the DSP...imagine what that can be....
Even though its 8 years old, The helix still holds its own. The most recent updates really kept it relevant, with the cab/mic revamp, aswell as adding more awesome amps and effects. If you can demo Helix Native, then i would do that asap to get a feel for it. Theres tricks to get the best feel out of it, like adding a tiny bit of LA compressor at the end of the chain, and putting low/high cut on the cab/cabs around 100hz/10k to take care of boomy and fizziness really helps. GL man
Thanks so much. The routing on the Helix is VERY intriguing to me....I think it will work really well with my real amps.....
@@LonelyRockerI have gone the route of trying all different modelers.. I keep coming back to the Helix. It's just works fantastically in so many ways. I even use it with tube & solid state poweramps with real cabs with amazing success.
@@TVoltG this is a big check in its favour. I really want something to compliment my tube amps and DI/Load Box recording. The Helix seems like a great IO box for that.
@LonelyRocker just chiming in to say that the helix and it's Native software counterpart are the best combo ever. Great modeling, and same user interface on both. They also sell you a copy of Native for 75% off if you buy their hardware. Great company.
Thanks for the insight! I’m definitely intrigued by what Line 6 offers. Stay tuned!
Ive been using the FM3 exclusively in my home studio and love it. Love all optionality and sounds I can get out of it.
I've been drooling over the FM9 today...I want lots of IO but I know Fractal is killer...
Cool ! Been eyeing it too! I heard it's limited when it comes to adding a lot of effects on a rig.
@@MusicChannel-rf5zz yea a bit. I have a couple effects pedals plugged into it to make up for that.
Some thoughts:
- Fractal FM3/9 or Axe Fx III: very professional and high quality devices with many amp models and effects. You can go really in depth when it comes to the routing etc. The signal flow is highly customizable and stuff like that. Some of the drawbacks can be the prices, the fact that they ony run in 48khz and that the audience might be slightly limiting for your channel. I've also had issues with using them as audio interfaces with the USB disconnecting regularly (known issue) and no latency reporting to the daw.
- Helix: a lot of fun to use. Many high quality amp models and so many fun, quirky and unique effects. It's easy to dial in and to tweak but still with a lot of advanced options to go deep. Works really well as an interface too and slightly more affordable than the Fractal stuff where I am from. The audience is very broad too. Some potential drawbacks could be that they update less frequently than Fractal although I think they update enough and that the device is a bit older but it's still wonderful and I bought one recently too...
- Quad Cortex: fun device with some cool sounds in there. Does capturing and it's still a relatively new device. PC editor is now available and plugin compatibility will also be available soon. I don't like NDSP as a company though and the amp sounds in there aren't as good as FAS and Line 6 if I'm honest. Capturing is very nice though but not as accurate as Tonex. In terms of the audience it's young, hip and djenty overall :)
- Headrush: cool devices but just not good enough in comparison to the competition. The modeling tech is outdated. Cool for singers though with the Antares effects etc.
Thanks for this and your contribution to the video!! Most details point to Helix for me. My only hangup is that I really feel like we will see a new device form Line 6 sooner than later. My luck it would be the day after I buy a Helix ;) But I love what I see as far as IO and audio interface. This would give me the DI and Re-amping routing I desperately need in my studio. But I also love hat I see with the FM9. Maybe I'll end up with both eventually ;)))))
On the other side the two new headrush boards has cloning. That's easily on pair with the profiling on Kemper sound wise. I own both! Been very positive surprised with the headrush actually. Low expectations maybe. Gave the Fender a run and was not convinced at all. At least not for the money!
I do understand that for strictly studio use, a pc/mac editor would really come in handy! It's such a bad move from headrush to sleep on that! But I needed something primary for live use, and I that case the headrush had everything covered!
Fractal without hesitation.
Coming also from real amp, tried many, but I was absolutely knocked by the feel fractal gives.
No doubt they make killer stuff...I might have to get more than one unit ;)
I have a TMP. Leo Fender said, "Form follows function". 8 cores of processing power for a real experience. It's twice the QC and 4x the Helix and 8x the Kemper. The more power you have, the less latency you get. The TMP has already made me a better guitar player. I spend much more time playing than programming. Don't need a manual to get decent results. Built solid for stage. Small enough for a table top to use the intuitive touch screen. Also, you can use a computer (I have a 32 inch computer monitor) to edit patch changes. Headphones sound great, output to guitar amp sounds great, to mixer and to FRFR. If you are up til 4am sometimes, as I am, you need a great headphone system. Also, the matching Tone Master FR 12 and FR 10 cabs are the best in the industry. Using two of them for a massive stereo sound is awesome. You can use the matching expression pedal but since I already have a Boss EV-5 Expression pedal and Boss FS5-L foot switch for the (latched) toe switch that works fine. Fender has a huge community. When Fender came out with the Tone Master amps (I have the Deluxe Reverb with the updates) I knew Fender was going for it. All that processing power for just one amp, that appealed to me. They were and are serious about showing us what a tube amp sounds like, how it operates, how it behaves when pushed. The first licensed EVH amps show Fender is serious about getting it right. Some amps take up to three months to perfect. That's why Fender's modeling is superior, they have the resources in their labs and studios and have hired the best people. I want to play guitar. I can let the real engineers do the engineering. The DSP power is now at the level where Fender says, it's time to do this. The graphical user interface is for musicians, not men in white lab coats. With the TMP, you can discover your sound and have fun while doing it. The screen is so beautiful. The Telecaster knobs work great. All the tube purists can now migrate to the digital era with a Ferrari under the hood of the TMP. Use a Tone Master amp to get the idea of how good Fender has replicated the tube amp experience. Plus there are so many good effects. Also, since the 4 effects loops work so good, I added an Eventide H90 for extra versatility.
You sound convinced about the TMP! :). Thanks for your insight :)
Unfortunately EVH modeling sucks on TMP. It's proved on youtube by Sonic Drive Studio.
@@mikem5685 WRONG. Nothing was proved. Sonic is comparing EL34 tubes to 6L6 tubes. Of course they are going to sound different. Plus the other modelers don't have the EVH Stealth amp. There are 6,000 IR's to choose from, different mic placements, mics, compression etc. You can easily dial in preferred sounds as I have done on my own TMP. My TMP sounds great with headphones or FRFR cabs. There are hundreds of ways to tailor the sound. The TMP does not suck. You take a preset and customize it to your preference. In Sonic Drive Studio review of the TMP he praised all the amp models it had and all the rest of the features. I use the TMP every day. I have other modeler units and the TMP is by far the most versatile and easy to dial in great tones. A side by side comparison is not very good if the amps are not the same. EL34 tubes sound very different from 6L6 tubes. There are hundreds of variations in mic placement and mics. Plus the updates are coming at Xmas. Fender did not spend 3 months modeling the EVH amp to make it sound like it sucks. I use the tools the TMP provides to tailor my sound. I never use the presets as is. The presets are a starting point, not the end point. I have a TMP. If you don't have a TMP you should not be judging it like you are an authority on hearsay. I have a Stealth EVH. Sonic does not. I have a TMP that I have customized the presets on. It sounds great. All my customized presets sound great. I have many tube amps so I know what a tube amp sounds like. I have many modelers and I know what they sound like. You can be sure Fender knows all about the comments by Sonic, and will respond with the Xmas updates to satisfy Sonic and followers who have been led astray.
I think these days all the modellers are Fantastic. Its literally the interface you want to work with and how you will actually use it that you have to decide. I personally have a HX Stomp XL because its small, does everything I want and has the flagship sounds. I personally think yes the axe fx and others may be slightly better as far as tones go but they are not 4 X the price better.
Thanks for your thoughts! My decision video is coming this week!!
I've been using Fender Modeling amps exclusively for as long as Fender has made them. The GTX series with the Fender Tone app is a great combo. The GTX even has stereo XLR outputs. The Fender models are amazing. The price point is much lower and you get the option of an actual Celestion speaker.
Interesting. I haven’t associated Fender with modeling until the Tone Master Pro. Definitely a contender.
Agree. I was just playing through my Fender Mustang GTX and every time I’m impressed. Can run it to the PA etc. That being said the TMP board looks interesting and more user friendly for live gig if not using a real pedal board. With the mustang GTx you have to remember what you assigned to each button
A powerd Kemper is overall the best i would say and with all the free updates over the years and works great with everything and the new update with liqued profiles is just great
Still lots of Kemper fans!
I have an hx stomp xl but I'm not content with the sounds even after various tweaks and following examples of other youtubers ahs their settings and suggestions. It's ok for in the house practising but it's not for me playing live. I don't have a studio nor record but if I did and had the reasons you have, I would opt for the Quad cortex. The price has been reduced and it now has the desktop editor software which will help when creating on it. It also does captures, so you can set up your amp, speaker, cab with your pedals get them to what suits your taste then make a digital version of that gear there and then which you can use everyone you want to record without having to tweak the amp and pedals every time. It also has the in out connections for your studio gear. Then in the future, if the Tonemaster pro improves with updates, sound and community or a newer helix or whatever with better models, functionality, improved user interface is released, you could consider upgrading or adding to (as those might not be able to capture gear like the quad cortex can)
Thanks for sharing! Your insight helps!
I haven't used any of these, but I'm very interested in getting into a modeler. I very much appreciate your thoughts on this, and I look forward to anything else you find out about these. I will say that the more I work in my studio, the less interested I am in bending over to change settings, move cables, or even look down to make sure I'm stomping on the right button. I'm thinking about making a panel to mount my effects vertically next to a rack with a patch bay to make it easier to move things around. I'm sure that I would rather have a modeler that can be rack mounted, if I have a choice.
Stay tuned to my channel. Lots more coming on this. I blew up my pedal board. Did a video about that too. I love amps and pedals but I’m building a hybrid workflow. Lots of videos on that too.
Listening to your requirements, the best choice, if cost isn't an issue, is the Axe FX III. It has by far the best routing abilities of all your choices, it has bay far the best Audio Interface capabilities, reamping, amp model selection and realism, effects etc.. It's not complicated, unless you want to make it so. People say that because you can dive deeper into parameters on any block than anything else on the market. But, you really don't have to. AND, as long as you can use the Axe Edit Application, and not so much the front panel, which for studio use, is perfect, it is very simple to use. Perhaps one of the largest communities, except for maybe Helix. CONSTANT upgrades to the firmware (monthly or moe), new features, amps constantly added. Nothing else compares to that.
A lot of votes for the Axe FX...definitely a contender....thanks for your insight!
@@LonelyRocker FWIW, I have an Axe FX 3 Mk 2 (had 2 older iterations), an HX Stomp, Tonex, and all manner of lesser modelers. I've also had a Kemper. No experience with Fender's new item, or Quad Cortex.
That's good experience. I've had a bunch of budget to mid range modelers float through my studio. Time to try the big boys!
I find myself in the same predicament, I'm behind the curve in keeping up with this trend of modelers, yet it would be super helpful for my studio and videos. For the cheapest option I think the Tonex wins and the free samples I've tried seem great. Looking forward to your future videos and what you decide on!
I LOVE TONEX...I have featured it extensively on my channel. And no matter what I choose it will remain part of the process. I just feel I need a big box modeler and I really want to choose one that will resonate with my audience. I'm going to be looking at a few things over the next short while with some things appearing on my channel. So stay tuned!!!
Considering what you want, I think the Fractal Axe III is the way to go. Especially since it a studio only device, and has all the IO. Yes, it's expensive, but worth it as the crown jewel of your studio. I come from many years of gigging and recording with Helix, and the FM3 and FM9. You could get a gently used AFX III for not too much more than a new FM9 or Helix. Also, it has by far, more power than the other floor based units and the Kemper, allowing you to make complex presets and have comprehensive routing schemes if you wanted to, controlling and managing other pieces of outboard gear in your studio. Basically, anything you can think up, you are likely able to create sonically withing the Axe FX III.
Thanks for your insight! Fractal has been mentioned MANY times in the comments...stay tuned!!! :)
I've had the kemper rack, helix lt, fractal axe fx2/FM3 and now the TMP. Honestly they're all really great. I find it easier to create tones I like without spending a ton of time tweaking on the TMP. Fractal will let you alter nearly every component of an amp and let you create the impossible. I prefer simplicity these days so I'm gonna stick the TMP.
Thanks for the insight!
On the subject of the Axe-FX 3. I hate it when people begin talking about this device in terms of MONEY! Oh, let's not forget about "It's SO COMPLICATED!!!" The Axe-FX 3 is something you will never outgrow. You get what you pay for! It's a one-time purchase. It does it ALL and will probably never be surpassed in its ability to produce fabulous tones from a simple setup of 1 cab and 1 amp to the most creative, inventive, COMPLICATED, experimental, and amazing concoction of WHATEVER your imagination can come up with!! Then, there's the electronics/audio amplifier nut that LOVES to get into the nitty-gritty of how a guitar tube amp works and what can be manipulated with internal parameters. (can the competition do THAT?) WOW!, now THAT'S what I call AMP MODELING! Music and songwriting is one thing, but the GEAR that enhances, and inspires your creativity should be limitless. The Axe-FX3...simply AWESOME!
I totally get the love for the Axe FX...but I do understand why the cost is an issue for some. One amp modeler can take the place of an investment 100 times over. BUT..amps, when taken care of, can last pretty much forever. They don't expire. Modelers will lose their value. You can pick up a Fractal AX8 for 500 bucks now. So if you make money with your gear it's a small price to pay. If you don't it's not the best investment. for me it's a business decision so you won't hear me complain about the cost ;)
Just pick the one that has the most suitable interface for your needs. We can all get caught up in this sounds a bit better than that A/B comparisons but very little seems to be discussed what's the user experience like. Pointless having a great sounding modeller if you don't like its work flow and you can't get the most of it and there's no one size fits all. Lets say Modeller A sounds a little bit better than Modeller B but Modeller B UI is more appealing to you. No right or wrong answer it just depends on the users needs. Coming from a producers background for the last 30+ years I find Axe FX logical and very easy to use but if I put myself in the head of someone new to this, I can see why it would turn them off. At the end of the day, all of these modellers can sound great and all of them can sound bad so understanding your chosen modeller is paramount for good results
Totally agree. I have specific needs beyond the models themselves. And that will dictate which direction I go. I’m also a channel here so multiple options is not out of the question 😂
If you want the best tones possible, the most processing power, and the most flexibility for studio use, I would suggest the Axe-FX III Mark II Turbo. The breadth of features it offers is not matched by any other product. The downsides are that it is expensive and there aren't nearly as many users as there are for Line6, Kemper, and probably Fender. You aren't likely to attract a huge audience making Fractal Audio focused content unless your videos are exceptional. Your main competition on CZcams will be Brett Kingman, Leon Todd, and Cooper Carter.
If your main reason to get a modeling unit is to get eyeballs on your content then the best answer is the Tone Master. The CZcams scene for this product isn't quite as crowded yet and the reach of the Fender name will undoubtedly mean a large user base moving forward. Like you said, the hardware has a lot of processing power, but it is not very flexible at this point. Also, the aliasing is substantial and can be easily heard in the tone.
This is great feedback...thank you!! Lots to chew on. I'm torn between quality and audience. I have both needs. The solution may be a Fractal AND a Line 6 product. I'm going to play around with the Fender. I can get a demo unit in to try...but thanks for your insight. Helps a lot!
I own a helix , a kemper and a quad cortex.
Now for studio i feel like my kemper is a fair weapon. For live i love my quad cortex having 3 band members on 1 unit is crazy and with the capture option with digital stuff is just a chefs kiss
My helix is good ! How ever i feel like the amps are not that great however the fx are incredible!
Thanks for your contribution to this discussion. The fact you have those 3 provides great insight....
Not sure where my prior comment went..... There are really only two choices IMO. Fractal and Helix.
AxeFX III is the most expensive, most feature rich in the Fractal catalogue. The FM9 is the Goldlocks unit. You would just need to decide on if the features of the FM9 met your studio needs. If you don't need a footcontroller (the AxeEdit editor is fantastic), you will save a nice chunk of money - still the most expensive. Largest Amp catalog, constant development. If you like all flavor of things Marshall, there is no unit that tops the number of Marshall and Modded Marshall models. I was in the first few groups of users back in 2007-2008 with the AxeFX standard.. Great community there as well. The reverbs, Delays and Chorus are worth the price alone IMO. I don't feel the unit is difficult to work with in the editor, but you can tweak as deep as you want to go.
Honestly, you could use SPDIF out of any of the Fractal units into your existing interface, and that opens up some different pricing options for you. The FM3 is currently on sale for 899 USD.
Helix Floor. Great unit, easy to use with or without the editor. Good Amps and FX. Great routing options. Development is less, but still ongoing. This is what I have today, the FM9 didn't exist at the time of purchase and I've stayed with the Helix.
IMO the Fractal edges out the Helix in general out of the box tones across the platform. Many of the default Amp/FX setting defaults have always seemed to work when I had my units. Some on the Helix will require a little fine tuning for many.
The Quad Cortex...While is starting to look like the might deliver on initial launch promises, it's yet to be seen on delivering. Power issues, WiFi issues, I think they fixed some of the cloud sharing that drove users insane. You have Tonex - you don't need another capture box. I'd pass here for now.
Fender, too early to tell here. Base fenders sound great, the other amps hit or miss. Form Factor and some of the features seem good. But having a bunch of DSP and no proof of a development track record long-term, it would be a hard pass for me until they are on par with Helix or Fractal. And they definitely are not today.
You don't buy a modeller for what is promised to come, you purchase based on the existing feature set, determine if that meets your needs, history and track record, then always price. Just look at initial QC purchasers - they still don't have the full feature set promised at launch years ago.
I don't think Helix or Fractal will have their next variation Flagship unit in 2024.
This is awesome. thank you very much for your insight. As an amp guy I never thought about my gear "expiring" or needing future development. Which is why the routing features of the device seem to interest me the most as this device will live WITH my amps and not in place of. You gave me a bunch to chew on. I really appreciate that!
@@LonelyRocker , With modelers it's difficult not to look at them like end of life computers.
We're reaching a DSP point now where the updates are going to be very detailed specific items. Helix has less frequent updates. Fractal more frequent, and somewhat changes models historically a bit more frequently, I think this will slow down somewhat. Again, we're reaching a plateau for a bit with these platforms. It's really about eeking out the last bit of functionality and quality of life/ergonomics in both of these units as far as where current development is focused.
We all fall into the trap of wanting all the amp models/tones ever created, but at the end of the day we really need to settle into more of a top 10 tones, add FX as necessary then create some music.
Well said. I'm more interested in the routing than the amps to be honest. OD course the amps are important but good routing will mean this device should be good for a while...I hope ;)
If you want a pure modeling platform and it must be hardware based then imo your choice is between a Fractal unit or The Quad Cortex. And strictly speaking in terms of tweaking and flexibility, Fractal takes the crown. Without question. The QC has HUGE potential but Neural has only just started to make any moves to realize that potential. Whereas from day one, Fractal has been refining their product and making their units more capable.
P.S. If at all possible, you should borrow/rent the units you are considering. There's nothing like hands on experience and hearing them for yourself. And if you live in or near a large urban area with one or more backline providers, all the better. You can probably rent any or all of these units.
Thanks for your insight. I do have a hookup to try out the gear...so likely I will feature more than one on the channel and then keep the one that suits me best....
I had them all and recently bought a FTM. I can tell you that they all sound superb, but the one that checks all the boxes for me is the QC.
Interesting...thanks for the insight :)
i am using a nux mg30 . i am happy. now i do not play covers . i do not make money from making music . i make music for fun . i do this often . the nuxmg30 is perfect for my needs . i am able to run it off battery power pack as it only draws 400mah . a lot of the larger units have color and touch screen displays and can not be run off dc power as easily as the 9 volt 400 mah draw of the nux which sounds phenomenal if you spend time to set it up properly . i dont chase tone so much as i make music . i dont gas . i make music . my gear does not define me , my music does . i have a lot of music i have made . being a guitar player has little to do with competing with the next guy or what he is playing thru . this does not concern me . making music does .
Making music is the most important thing. If it’s accessible and it inspires you then it’s the right device for you. Cheers!
I've been using the Axe Fx3 Mk2 for close to 2 tears in my home studio, it's the Lamborghini of modelers and effects.
However it's way overkill to bring to simple smaller gigs because you'll also need their foot controller.
However, the Axe Fx FM9 is a floor model all in one for gigging, so you get all the best sounding effects and amp modeling.
As to the complication issue?, not true, if you go with any of the 384 outstanding factory presets, and choose the ones you like, you can simply tweak them and save them, it's easy as that.
The complication issue can arise if you decide to deep dive in the parameters, you can go down to the most minut tweaking if you wish too, and no one else comes close to that.
You should watch my follow ups since this video 😎
@@LonelyRocker Thank you i will, by the way great videos.
Thanks so much!!
Until recently, I used a Kemper Rack and an Eleven Rack with a line mixer for live performance with a Beringer Midi Board. The Eleven Rack sounds good but features very limited effects and is getting outdated. So I decided to get myself a new rack. The Kemper definitley stays because I profiled my amps (Boogie Mark IV, Studio 22, Engl, Marshall), it's reliable, good on dynamic response and is kind of a solid backbone of my system. The only downside is the limitation in effects but the ones that are included are very good. Kemper finally made an editor which is very useful.
As I like to have more possibilities, I needed some more devices. On my "negative list" were Quad Cortex (no editor! (Even Donner can do that on a $250 device) and there are not enough controls for using it as a floor board), Helix (the quality of the effects goes from poor to very good but I don't like the dynamics and sounds of the amps; the editor is functional but unattractive) and the Headrush (same point as the Helix but better amps).
I finally decided to add a GT-1000 and an Axe-FXIII.
The GT-1000 serves as a floorboard and (of course) also as a sound device. The handling of the device with knobs and switches is (unlike the Kemper) terrible. Roland/Boss still uses the same old menu structure as on the GP-8, even though this device is much more complex. Very fortunately, there is a useful editor (which is still unattractive and sometimes seems not be logic, but works). The GT-1000 features only a few amps and I don't like most of them. I was thinking of adding a Tonex into one of the FX-Loops but finally decided to work with the internal X-Amps. They sound much better than the other ones. This way, I only have two or three amps in the GT-1000 but these are very flexible. The good points of the GT-1000: the effects come in a large variety are absolutely unbeatable. In addition to the standard effects, there are many unusual effects which open a lot of possibilites (e.g. accoustic and sitar simulation and other crazy stuff; they sound incredible). Also, complex signal paths are possible; I like to use a wet-dry-wet setup on the GT-1000. One other important function of the GT-1000: it is my midi central witch incredible switching and CC possibilities.
The Axe FXIII features excellent amps and cabs as well as a vast variety of good effects. Everything is dynamic and hassle free but it's a very complicated device. I only edit with the software editor since the onboard controls and menus are not very user friendly (better the the GT-1000 bis still miles away from the Kemper). The other important function of the Axe FXIII: it serves as a programmable mixer. The guitar in goes directly to ouput 2 and 3 and then into the Kemper and the GT-1000. Their outputs are connected to inputs 2 and 3 (each Stereo) and I can mix the lanes of the AxeFX with the Kemper and GT-1000 output signals. Like this the Kemper and the GT-1000 get integrated in the AxeFX signal path and I have a 3-modeller-parallel system with a single clean stereo output (analog and/or digital).
I'm very happy with this combination since I like complex sounds and this offers endless possibilities. Downside: it's expensive and programming takes forever.
Wow. Thanks for your comprehensive insight. Lots to chew on here. Thank you for participating in this process. Cheers!
I have the Axe fx3 I can’t recommend it enough. Plus we get this gift of tone, if you aren’t familiar with it. On their homepage under download artists then select gift of tone 2023 and 2024. Ou latest was Neal Schon’s live rig.
Check out my follow up to this 😎😎😎
You choose the Fractal. You welcome. But juding by your needs, I'd say go with Fractal for your need of lots of I/O options. The option to dial in the tone how you want a Fractal unit. Best product support and updates Fractal wins. So there I give you 3 options, Fractal, Fractal and then lastly the Fractal.
Thanks!! Many have suggested I go Fractal. I have a lot to chew on. Thanks!!
TMP for serious processing power. Seamless patch changes as a professional needs and an amateur desires. Fender is the company that sets the standard. Updates will make it greater. Connectivity is superb. The main guy that was at Helix is now at Fender. The Fender flagship will get lots of updates. It's the future.
Definitely something to chew on....
I've had the HX Stomp, Boss GX100 (also GT1, GT-001, GT8, GT6 and GT5), original Pod, Behringer V-Amp, TC Nova, SansAmp, Zoom 9002 etc and now have an Ampero One. IMHO by far the most important thing is how good the drives sound when they're just breaking up. They can all do super clean and super driven, but the point when you're getting sustain and balls without realising it's distorting is very hard to do. The best at that are the Ampero and the GT5, funnily enough. After the GT5, Boss changed the drive circuit in the GT series and they're not the same. Don't like the Line 6 stuff 'cos the drives don't do breakup properly.
Thanks for sharing!
I think in your situation the perfect solution is an Axe Fx, yes you can use ins/outs 2,3,4 as fix loops or you can connect with your real amps / analog pedals, but it is important, you must have to use a load box between your amp and the Axe fx, for example that Suhr load box from your studio and basically in this case the axe fx can be used as an ir loader too. You have the possibility to create simple and extremely complex presets and routings if you need! That’s my opinion/ advice. I hope this helps you to find the right modeler. Cheers!
Thanks for your insight! Yes, of course. My amps are ALWAYS connected to a load. I have a few options here to keep them all safe. The routing and re-amping possibilities excite me. This will plug a big hole in my studio. Cheers!
Since Line 6 has been modeling for DECADES, and given your prerequisites of using it as a 'hub' for your studio - The Helix Rack is my recommendation.
TONS of I/O (including Word Clock [In], S/PDIF [In and Out] and AES/EBU [In and Out with L6 Link for powercabs or chaining multiple units for more DSP]), a constantly updating and improving amp list, hands down the best effects of the bunch, super easy signal routing with tons of options. I've been using a Line 6 Spider (older one and newest one, both fantastic for the time) my entire guitar life, and the Helix Rack & Control Pedal is the godfather of my dream rig... until the next big bang of a device from Line 6 that is ;)
Thanks for the insight!! The Helix is definitely a player...I just wish it wasn't 9 years old. They have to be coming with something new soon!
@@LonelyRocker I agree entirely, and every year I tell myself "its old" and then they make a new form factor of the series and update firmware again, and then there's life in it once more. To be honest I see a good handful of people still using the Pod Pro rack unit, so I also tell myself "well people don't tire of Line 6 easily, and how much better could it get realistically?" I feel like Sisyphus hahaha
Well, from my perspective, if you are looking for content to create, I love the Tone Master Pro. Easy to use UI and not a lot of content out there just yet on youtube. Yes, it was saturated with reviews at first. But, just not a lot of content to consume just yet. I have a TMP, QC and Helix and keep finding myself coming back to the TMP right now just because it’s so fun to use. I’m thinking about selling my other gear, buying a Tonex (so I have any amps that the TMP might be missing) and then just using the Tonex and TMP.
That would be a great combo. I see TONE fitting into whatever path I choose. The TMP is an intriguing option. Tons of IO on it that I know will streamline my recording workflow. And getting in on the ground floor as a creator could be an opportunity...BUT...that only works of the TMP becomes a real player in the space. Helix and Fractal communities are huge and loyal. So I do I take a chance on something new or become an expert on something that's standard issue. Thanks for your input. I clearly have some thinking to do :)
@@LonelyRocker That is true. Can't really go wrong with the Helix with a huge userbase either. Only thought on the Helix is, I am wondering if they are getting ready to release their next flagship product. If they do, that will be a huge hit. Good luck with your search! 👍🏻
THIS IS EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS...There is no way they won't release a new device sometime sooner than later. This is my hesitation in buying one full pop now....I'm digging through my contacts though :)
I've been on the fence about modelers forever and I have yet to buy anything. As you said there are so many choices and now with singular pedal models like the Iridium, ACS1, and the UAFX ones ,there's a lot to chose from. ...too much lol. Also what about that new one from Friedman the IR x I think...looks and sounds pretty impressive. It depends if you want an entire modeling solution of just amp and speakers. For working in the studio there are some great plugins. I have a thunderbolt audio interface so I don't have to worry about latency when using them. I love S gear and although I have others I always end up with S Gear. I still mic up amps and I also use a Two Notes Captor load box with real amps. There are times when a hardware modeler would be great to have...sounds like you're in the same spot I'm in with this decision. I think that if you want the most professional the Fractal stuff is the way to go....maybe. I've been considering an FM3 for a while now.
I've heard great things about the IR x....many in this thread mentioned it. I just want a major modeler to cover off the things I said in the video plus the opportunity to make content around it for this channel. That's why I really need the device....
Axefx always. I have them all and i support fractal and fractal is king.
Lots of votes for Fractal.
Simple - Axefx - just bar far the most comprehensive product and best sounding ( I’m a helix rack user )
The amps and effects are other worldly !
I’ve had the cortex and Kemper stage ! Now a bit stuck with rack but will be going back to FM8
I found myself drooling over an FM9 yesterday. Seems like an awesome device...
For something that covers hardware and software, I'd say either Axe FX or Helix. At the moment it's really a two horse race. Quad cortex pulling up steadily in 3rd place.
I agree with you. The hardware is a critical part of my decision.
All i know is this i am a home player.my boss gx100 is all i will ever need.just love it.but if i was buying a new one and price didnt matter.fractal all the way.but they are all really good to me
I've reviewed the GX100 on my channel...great device. Fractal is a very intriguing option for sure....
I'm absolutely loving my Fender Tone Master Pro. I've replaced my Helix and I'll never look back. The DSP power as well as the UI literally changes everything. I hate making changes on the Helix. No matter how much I use it, it's just not...enjoyable. The Tone Master is actually FUN to use. Imagine that!
Sounds great! UIs are such a personal thing it seems. Others have said they love the Helix UI. Glad it’s working out for you. I’ll definitely try the TMP before I make my decision. Thanks for weighing in!
Quad cortex or fender tone master pro?
Fractal Axe Fx III is the only Pro one. Yes, you can use the INS and OUTS any way you want. Basically, it is like this: The Fractal can do Anything you want and sounds better than all of them. From an ex Kemper user and former and current Headrush Prime, Tonex, and Fender TMP user, get the Fractal AF3. Here is the one thing I always say about the Fractal: Best piece of gear I have ever purchased and worth every penny. BTW, the Fractal absolutely smokes the competition in FW updates.....not even close. I am 2.5 years in and when I started it was on FW #15, today we are on #22 and awaiting the full release from Beta #23. Oh, and you even get to try out Beta FW releases if you want. The cool thing about Fractal is all the info is from real people and never paid advertisers since it is not sold in stores. Awesome community as well. My real amp stash has been dwindling ever since my purchase and really, I should just sell the rest since I never use them anymore.
A lot of fractal believers here. Need to really think on this. Thanks for sharing!
I have a Helix Rack with Tonex pedal thats all you need
Sounds like a great combo. Tonex will definitely stay in my chain.
Having the 4 loops gives you so much versatility. I have my SYN 2, Marshall DSL, 6505+, and Tonex in the loops. This makes auditioning sounds as easy as a footpress@@LonelyRocker
I love my helix LT it's amazing and it holds it's own and the update just improves it more overall . If fractal audio came out with a fm12 thou I would like that lol
An easier entry to the Helix perhaps. I didn't mention that model but it's a nice looking device...
All you need is a Line 6 Pod with the Big Bottom amp. Its the best tone PERIOD.
There’s the solution! 😂😂
If you are looking for the best tone I will say Kemper every time!
If you are looking for the best routing and decent tones I’d say Axe 3.
If you are looking to use a unit to create video tutorials on how to use then QC or Tonepro.
Even though Kemper is old the tone and reaction to pick dynamics is just too good…when you play a Kemper and then you go to an amp it feels the “same”.
Fractal is great but it needs tweaking and I mean a lot of tweaking.
The difference between these two is that fractals effects are fantastic and it’s a whole lot more flexible…but the “core” tone and dynamics isn’t as “real” as the kemper.
Thanks for your insight into these...gives me a lot to chew on!
You are behind. The new Helix floor was just released, Pog go doesn't have as much DSP but is a great unit and Headrush just released to brand new models.
A new Helix floor was not released. It's the same tech as the rack that first released in 2015. They offer periodic firmware updates but the unit is over 8 years old.
My suggestion is to buy a Friedman IRX Preamp Pedal it is awesome ! It has 2 -12ax7 preamp tubes 2 channels with boost for each an effects loop and irs as well . I’m useing a HX Stomp with it for effects !
A few have suggested that route. Not quite what I’m looking for but I may check that pedal regardless as a separate thing. Looks awesome.
HS Prime. Done.
It has its fans!
I’ve owned the Helix LT for over five years, and love it, but for your needs I don’t think I would recommend the Helix because it is too mature. I would think the FTM would be a better fit because you will have a lot more opportunity to create CZcams content for that device which is new, compelling, and will generate buzz. Also, I think the FTM is a lot more approachable for the non and semi pro users which, to be honest, is most of us. If Line6 had a new version of the Helix coming I would say wait for that, but since that is a big question mark I would go with the FTM. Be a foundational member of that community, make a big impact, do videos on all the new Amos and updates that they make for it, and when Line6 comes out with their new device you can make a bunch of videos about that device and why you switched, or didn’t switch from the FTM.
Thanks for your insight here!! Great perspective!! Much appreciated. Things are cooking. Stay tuned for some news!!
If you want to save money: Boss GX-100.
If you don't want to save money: Fractal FM9.
If you don't want to save money and you need a very easy to use interface: Fender TMP.
If you want to save money and you need a very easy to use interface: NUX Trident.
If you don't want to save money and you want to capture amps: QC or Kemper.
Comprehensive comment! Thank you!
I’m guessing from what I see you are currently recording system I doubt you would not be able to adapt quickly. The Axe III difficulties seem overwhelming at first. The presets are very useable from jump street! However, you regret not taking it on. Hey, if I can do it, then anybody can! It would be great to see if the Quad Core’s AI advancement in the next five years! At the end of the day it is what sounds great to you!
It's a great box no doubt and would sit nice fit in my studio. From what I see Axe Edit makes it easier to navigate....
The ultimate one? Im inclined to fractal FM9.....a tactical combo? Boss GT1000 core combined with TONEX pedal (an array of FX presets combined with an amp setting according your preference..... but really the UI of the Tone Master Pro reminded me of one of Selena Gomez 's song lyrics.......THE HEART WANTS WHAT IT WANTS.
But untill i win the lottery.....better stick to my old friendly dinosaur.....the Digitech GNX3
Ha!! Combos! That's a thing to consider too. It doesn't have to be one unit. Something I should talk about in an upcoming vid!
had a go on the more expensive units such as the kemper, fractal, helix. Honestly the budget modellers such as the mooer, hotone and valeton are just as capable :/ it's a great time to be a guitarist
It really is. Modeling is moving so fast. Competition is going to create great opportunities for players.
Pocket Pod for the win.
Ha! There’s the solution! 😎🤘🏽🎸
Cool video man! I'm just glad you're getting one! Maybe we should do a little chat on here to talk about it :)
I’m ready when you are!!
Hi i am glad that i stumbled upon you r Channel ... i would love to see a full review of the modeller from St Rock (Amperium live) maybe with a sound comparisson to other units :)
Glad you found me! I've reached out to a bunch of companies to get as many modelers here as I can. I will be featuring the Sonicake Matribox2 very soon and I will try to get the St. Rock. Some companies are happy to send product and some are not...we'll see!!
HX Stomp - all you need.
I did a review on that a couple of years ago... :)
You might want to take a look to Boss, offerings, GT1000 or Gx-100 are great options.
Edit: I just saw that you get a Line 6 Helix, congrats!
I have reviewed the GX-100 on my channel...it's a great device. I actually got a Fractal FM9 first (Did a follow up video to this) and then I got the Helix. Line 6 sent that over. That was my plan all along and I'm hoping to secure others as the year rolls along. I making A LOT of content on modelling this year :)
That is a tough choice. I’ve been a Helix user for a long time but I might suggest just buying a good audio interface and go with either Helix Native or the Friedman IR-X (or both.) If you like that Friedman sound I really feel like the IR-X is a monster and using Helix Native your processing power isn’t as limited because you could run multiple instances
Don’t know if that resonates with you but just wanted to throw my suggestion in there
For just the recording side of me this makes good practical sense. For making content, not so much. I want to adopt a platform that I can make content around. This is the main reason I out it out there...it's been great getting feedback form the community.
@@LonelyRocker I misunderstood your needs; my bad. My opinion is that even though Line 6 has stated there are no plans to release a successor to the Helix that just seems like it’s either not true or a poor business decision. I feel like if they planned to unveil something for 2024 that it would be announced before the end of the year (just a gut feeling). I also think that if they released something new it would huge so it might be best to wait a few weeks and see if they make any announcements. Just my humble $0.02
That's exactly how I'm feeling. It just seems so late in the cycle to buy a Helix yet it seems to be the one that interests me the most. My gut tells me there won't be a Helix 2 but some new device line. So the Helix can live on as one thing and then the new product line can tap into modern needs and technology. We'll see!!
Literally, any. Decide depending on your budget and your UI needs. Fractal is expensive and has terrible UIs, others are a bit less expensive and have better UIs or straight up amp controls that everyone understands.
Most, if not all, can get you excellent sounds nowadays.
So true...that's why IO is just as important for me...we'll see!! Thanks for weighing in....
Headrush doesn't get enough love. Idk if it's because they didn't spend as much money on advertising or what. Headrush pedalboard sounds the same to me as the $2500 kemper. Headrush you can reamp with too.
Headrush definitely has its fans. Adoption is always tough when big players have market share. But that can change over time.
I'm happy with Amplitube 5 and ToneX together you can create anything you want pretty much. I have the GT-1 Boss that has some effects you can't find in those two and I use it through Amplitube cabs or IR's. No audio interface in those though, but a dedicated Interface isn't expensive for a pretty good one. I don't like Line6 at all, they sound lifeless to me.
Great solution and I use both...but I want a physical device on top of those. And TONEX will be part of whatever solution I choose...
@@LonelyRocker Too many choices right now, you could go with one device or multiple divices on a pedal board type set up using some of the pedal amp/cab sims.
I don't know what I would get maybe the top of the line Boss, I associate rock guitar sounds with their "sound" because all multi-effect products sound slightly different. I don't think you can miss when you get into the 1K price range.
Pick one and get to work. They all take a few months to really dial in and be comfortable with. I have the Boss GX100. After playing with it for a few weeks I started wondering if there was ANYTHING that sounded better? Then I bought a Quad Cortex. I sent it back after 3 weeks. I was just used to the Boss and the workflow. The QC sounds great, just not 3 times as great. The Boss will absolutely melt your face off. Edit: the amp models in the Boss sound ever bit as good as the QC, with lower latency. Just much fewer amp models.
Good advice. I have a full feature on the GX100 on my channel. Great unit.
@LonelyRocker cool! I will check it out. I really am impressed with the unit. Especially since it cost 1/3 as much as the other units with the lowest latency out there. The effects are great as well. I have an Eventide H90 as well. That's basically my whole rig.
Nice! I have a new relationship with Boss. It’s likely we will see other Boss products on my channel. They were very happy with the first review video I did on the ME90 so hopefully we’ll see more hardware here soon!
Hey Dan
I would go for the Kemper, no doubt!
Cheers 🇨🇭
Still many Kemper fans out there!
@@LonelyRocker its all in what you want!
I will have news very soon...stay tuned!
Axefx 3!!!
Many votes for it!!!
Don't forget about the Boss stuff; the GT-1000 & Core are sensational.
You know...I actually talked about it and cut it out of the edit because I thought the video was getting too long. It did make my top 6. I have reviewed the GX100 and ME90 on my channel and they are both good units. Regardless of what I decide it's possible I'll see another Boss unit here at some point...
HELIX LT IS THE BEST VALUE WAY EVER 🎉🎉❤❤
Good device...no doubt!
Even the cheap headrush mx5 actually sounds really good with York irs it’s time to play what ya got just pick one they all sound pretty good.. spend more time playing… so whatever one gets you the sound quicker than tinkering all day. Bands have made full albums on the old school pod all of these crush that…no excuses just play
OK!! :)
Long time helix user here. I've also had a tonex for some time and i recently purchased the fractal fm9. In my experience helix its the best for the price, tonex has the most accurate sound but not many effects. So go for helix, fractal sound a bit better than helix but for the price and the shitty interface it's absolutely not worth it
It's been a big tug of war between Fractal and Line 6 in here. My only hangup is I believe deep inside that Line 6 will surprise everyone and come out with a new flagship unit in the not to distant future. That's my ONLY hangup right now!! Any thoughts on that?
For a pro studio I would go Axe fx or fender to pro or helix 2
Helix 2...am I missing something? ;))))
FM9 sounds great but the UI sux not easy to program you will spend hours and hours . The new Fender Tone Master has been getting some not so good reviews but the UI is very well done . I reckon with some firmware updates it might be improved . I suggest the NUX Trident as your first unit , great tones , IR, amps , signal routing outputs galore , you can download your own IR's, effects et al , save your money buy the Trident first .....check out Pete Thorn's review .........you asked. Cheers !
Thanks for sharing! I was in touch with NUX...thought I was getting one from them to review and they flaked out on me...NUX is banned! ...for now ;)
@LonelyRocker oh dang that sux....The new Ampero seems to very good too , small and loads of function
There's a bunch of smaller modelers on the market worth checking. I just got the Matribox2 which I will be featuring soon. Great time to be a guitar player!
@@LonelyRocker no doubt about it man !! Rock on!!!
Who would buy a Helix in 2023-2024? It's eight years old and on the way out. I'm not a major fan of the Quad Cortex with it's hieroglyphic effect block lay out similar to the Helix, but it will shortly be able to upload the Neural plugins. Plini X will be the first.
The only reason I’m considering it is to get into the community. Remember I’m getting this device for my channel as much as I’m getting it for my studio. I’m fully aware the Helix is closer to end of cycle than some of the others. And I noted if I get it I may be in a situation where I will have to upgrade sooner than later. But i like the IO on the device and it’s a big community. But I’m not jumping for the exact reason you mentioned.
Just throwing my two cents in: might I suggest the ISP Theta Pro DSP Floorboard? Of all the floor modelers, I found this one to the most authentic & awesome sounding. Also, I found it to be the one that I had to do the least "knob turning" to get great tones.
Never even heard of that one! Seems my local retailer carries it. Seems it doesn’t have a lot of IO and that’s very important to me but I’ll definitely check it out. Thanks for the tip!
I own all of those digital machines and they are all good, no matter which you pick. But I clearly recommend to just wait for the Amp X. Why go digital when you can have the real deal analog amps and analog modelling - which is the thing that modellers try to simulate digitally? After you still use analog amps for a reason, right?
I'm intrigued by the Amp X...those guys are doing some interesting things....I'm keeping my eye out regardless...
FM9 all the way
Been salivating over that one.
I would not describe a company who regularly gives great, dependable updates as being ' aggressive'.
You already know what you will do.
You 'hear' a lot already.
I used the term “aggressive” meaning very active in supporting a product. It’s meant as a positive thing.
I don't think you can go wrong. Just pick one and run with it.
I already did. Check my latest videos. Spoiler. I have 2 😎🎸🤘🏽
@@LonelyRocker on it.
Sweet!
I've had the HX Stomp (and Helix Native), QC, ToneX and Kemper Stage before now owning a brand new FM3 MK 2 Turbo and this one is going to stay :) I was quite happy with the QC in terms of tones but I got it in 2020 and the lack of desktop editor was just not bearable for me coming from the HX Stomp with the desktop editor so the QC had to go although I have to say the tones were a lot better than the Helix stuff. I have to say I never really achieved a great sound out of the Line 6 stuff and was never really satisfied with it. It just gave me the feeling, that the models try to be the real thing but they just arent. The QC models were better but not perfect, but the captures were phenomenal. However, after the HX Stomp and QC, I got the ToneX and tbh the editor was just garbage and I couldnt understand the hype about the platform at all since the tones were not as good as the QC in my opinion so that had to go as well. Next came the Kemper Stage, which is my favourite of them all in terms of feel. That thing just feels amazing to play and sounded great as well but I hated to be dependant on other people creating great profiles as I dont have any real amps or outboard gear and that only led me to spend a few hundred euros on commercial profiles. After some time I got sick of it and wanted a real modeler again so I can create the tones on my own and stop spending money on profiles I probably not gonna use anyway which lead me to the Fractal FM3 MK2 Turbo. This thing does everything right where all the others failed and I feel completely satisfied with it. The sound is phenomenal and it feels amazing to play. Regarding the size of community, the Facebook group of the Fractal Audio stuff is the biggest of all of the modelers/profilers :)
Thanks for your insight. that was awesome. You should check out my follow up to this....the new modeler is in house :)
@@LonelyRocker You are welcome dude! :) I just realized the follow up video is there after writing the experience report with the modelers lol so I proceded to watch it. Great choice there with the FM9! :D You have made a fantastic decision :)
Had all of them except the fractal ,the only one I kept is the cortex .
Interesting...seems we all see different benefits in each....
Get a quad cortex. They are so good!!
Certainly has its fans!
@@LonelyRocker also consider the Friedman irx. Incredible piece of gear.
I’ve heard great things. Different thing but definitely something I’d like to try.
look at what modler has the most real amps u use the most in the studio call up local stores ask if they have em to try out bring ur main guitar and what ever cab you use
I have a good retail hookup so I will definitely give them a try...maybe even feature them individually here!
My advice is DON'T choose a modeler.
I got rid of mine and went with a good tube amp and cab and a Boss ME-90 for effects.
No more tweaking settings and staring at screens trying to get that extra 0.3% improvement in "tone" instead of playing guitar.
I already have an inventory of tube amps from Marshall, REVV, ENGL, H&K and EVH. Modeling is a very popular topic and it has some great applications working with REAL amps in a recording setting. That's why I want one with a lot of IO....I will have news on that VERY soon :)
My personal opinion is an iPad pus interface to FRFR.
Interesting option. Wouldn't work for my studio but that would be a great option for a smaller/portable setup....
For studio I think Scuffham is still tops in vst land.@@LonelyRocker
I wish Fender would take their ToneMaster Deluxe Reverb and put the electronics out of that amp in a pedalboard sized pedal…NOT the ToneMaster Pro at $1700, but just a single amp without the cabinet and the high price.
That would be interesting :)
choose the one that was out the longest -- it has the most support... also read reviews, which ones have physical issues -- don't get that one.
Oh I am!!! :)
Quad cortex. Didn’t like the helix or Kemper’s feel or sound. Quad is quick flow. Easy yo set up a sound and feels mist like an amp. The UI is great. Amps first. But I’d go with a quad. Customer service has been great to me as well with a used unit.
Thanks for sharing!
Headrush or Boss GT 1000 I’d get the QC fractal and Fender is too expensive Helix is ok but a bit old now and technology has moved on The Headrush has a capture feature too
Thanks for your input!
My only problem with my Helix floor is the weight. Elephant weight. Hope a new helix will be lighter.
In my case it won’t leave my studio. Hopefully it won’t collapse my desk if I choose it 😂
Kemper!
Still has its fans!!!
"Best modeler" does not exist - it simply depends on the requirements and !!how much you are willing to compromise!!
Apart from the question of features and usability, the main question for me is ever: how good does it sound and how good is the feel - unfortunately none of the great YT's dare to make a definitive statement - so all that's left is to go and test it for yourself!
I agree! The question was "Best for me" based on the specs I laid out. I want to inherit a product that will serve my needs and to help me create content that my viewers will appreciate. That's why I made this video. I wanted to engage my viewers and get their thoughts without passing my own opinions on any of them...
You did not mention de Headrush Prime or Core, same features, same if not higher quality profiling and cloning, at a lower price with better interface and vocal processing on top
Sounds like I need to check it out!
If you want the best get the FM9 or Axe FX 3. If you need a suite of software along with a good modeler, get amplitube 5 with or without tonex pedal. Thats it.
I sold fm9 after I got TMP , much better than axe. Sounds better, UI simple the best!
I have all of the TONEX and Amplitube stuff. TONEX is big on my channel. I want a big device with lots of IO for recording...I'n not so worried about the amps...but Fractal is great, I know...
Get the Axe fx 3....most connections and best tone. Get the fs12 footswitch if you want it on the floor.
And $4000 just axe fx and fs12
@@LonelyRocker Why not try both and find out which is better for you, you can always return the one you like less. axe is ok, but it never sounded right to me, then it's too complicated, the UI is a nightmare.Fender UI is so simple and easy to use. I'm a Fender amp player and they sound amazing like you're playing a real amp, I didn't have that experience and feeling with axe.
Fractal is miles away from the competition, specially if you value effects like delays and reverbs. I would keep my FM9 just for the effects if I was using an Amp. But the modeling is second to none too. If I needed captures I would just get a Tonex and add to the loop, or get a AX3 as it can do tone match too
I already have TONEX...that's getting plugged into whatever I get...Fractal is so tempting....
@@LonelyRocker just do it! You won’t regret it
As a professional computer engineer, and a fervent user of music technology, I will remind you that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Certainly the Helix technology is 8 years old already. The fact that it is still so widely popular provides plenty of evidence of its obsolescence. Line 6 remains committed to the Helix. A big update was just released yesterday. Sometimes it's not the size of the hardware, but how well you can use what you've got. Line 6 has shown repeatedly they have what it takes. Further, this is Line 6's bread and butter. Yeah, they make a guitar, but only to exist within the context of its paradigm. Fender is a general musical instrument company, heavily diversified. Fender has a reputation for abandoning products as soon as they have proven to underperform financially. How many "high tech" amps and pedals and other gear with the Fender name on it have we seen come and go like a blur? I would say that you should do your homework for sure, but, if you're going to make your choice based on which product is going to be best supported in the future, Fender should be your last choice. If you buy a Helix now, by the time Line 6 is ready to replace it with the next thing that's significantly better, you'll have gotten your money's worth out of the Helix you bought now. If you want to stay on the "leading edge", make sure you choose a company whose existence relies heavily on the success of the technology you're embracing, and not the the guitar company hungry to grab a bit of market share it doesn't current have.
Thanks so much for this! Great insight. I quietly share your thoughts. I thought it would be a great opportunity to get different perspectives and I certainly have. Thanks so much for participating in this discussion! 🎸🤟🏼😎
The one question I have about the Fender Pro is the amp modeling/capture ability? I have the Kemper and the Helix and love both and I love the Fender amps I own. Do you think Fender will do Updates and sell more amps? That is a game changer for me
There's no doubt Fender will add more amps. The question is will the be free updates or are they planning to sell bundles. We'll see soon!
Being a betting man they will sell bundles and if they are good I will buy them, These modelers take a lot of time out in the studio, Direct and they sound great @@LonelyRocker
there's no need to choose, go for the fractal
Many have shared that feeling!
Kemper, it's got liquid modelling now and you will not need to change the hardware for quite a while yet. But why not get a great amp instead? All these modelers offer a few variations on a theme, that's all. Absolutely no one needs 200 amp sounds.
Trust me...more REAL amps will make their way here. Just this year I've added an ENGL Powerball 2 and a 5150 Iconic...more to come! The modelr will be my hub for recording AND modeling...that's the plan... :)
QC has power supply grounding issues and a mediocre spring reverb…
Thnx for the heads up.
Let just say, I finally bought a Helix last year after 6 years reading reviews, listening, and debating....then after a full week playing, I returned it. To me, my old Boss GT-10 sounds better than Helix. Then in September 2023, I got my Fractal FM9 Turbo. This modeler have gotten me smiled ear-to-ear. I have not looked back since. If I lose it, I'll buy again. It's that good. Goodbye my amps; and Hello FM9. 😅
Can’t argue with you final choice 😎
Did you try downloading IRs and presets to get the helix to sound better?😊
What about the Line 6 POD Go? Not as high in cost as the Helix or Tone master.
Great device but I really want to get a high end modeler with lots of IO....
Did made a decission already? Iam in the market aswell. I am choosing between the headrush core, TM pro and Qc.
Decision is coming soon..stay tuned!
@@LonelyRocker i was doubting between the headrush and qc. I ended up with the lion from ua. Iam planning to get the dream and the ruby aswell. Its still a small rig with in my opinion one of the best sounding amp modelers. I got a bunch of pedals aswell. I dont need 60 amps and caps. Ofcourse modelers are great. But for me i think this is the solution.